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\\\"That\\\'s like me saying women\\\'s issues are ignored in favor of men\\\'s in the world of fashion magazines due to the severe lack of marxist feminist discourse.\\\"

The \\\'masculinist\\\' site I linked to was calling for stories that reflect the emotional reality of men. Not just a catalog of their doings, but how they are hurt, how they suffer and how they feel disempowered.

I, personally, don\\\'t see that much in MSM. I know you\\\'ve asserted that you do and I am definitely curious about what you have seen although if you don\\\'t want to disclose, I\\\'m also happy to leave it at that. I\\\'m afraid I haven\\\'t seen many stories about how men deal with things like being victims of rape and domestic violence, the social pressures that lead them to suicide in greater numbers then women, and how living in a society that depicts them in certain unfavorable ways (BumblingDad, MenAreTheExpendableGender, MenArePerverts) affects them.

A really strong example of the \\\'invisible visible\\\' is that we never see sympathetic stories about how men really feel about their traditional gender role and how it\\\'s affected them in ways they don\\\'t like.

Even though the fashion industry may be dominated by women, that doesn\\\'t mean it\\\'s necessarily sympathetic or offers up much space for how women have been hurt by it peddling a distorted view of women. I think the MSM is likewise peddling a distorted view of men that doesn\\\'t at all relate to men\\\'s realities and doesn\\\'t have much space for those that think different.

\\\"Also men are a minority, though you probably couldn\\\'t tell from watching the MSM, which itself is sort of a \\\"men\\\'s group\\\" if we allow ourselves to be honest....portrayals of white heterosexual men are far more numerous and fleshed-out than portrayals of anyone else which, btw, is -the- main \\\"complaint\\\" that \\\"minority\\\" groups make—and the root of all complaints—yet as far as I can tell it isn\\\'t \\\"listened\\\" to in any truly meaningful sense\\\"

Didn\\\'t notice your edit earlier. I disagree that it hasn\\\'t been \\\'listened to in any truly meaningful sense.\\\' The change in how women have been portrayed in MSM is absolutely stark. From complaints about Number One in the ST:OS pilot \\\'ordering men around\\\' to what I think is nearing parity in the number of depictions of powerful, competent women as presidents, military leaders, soldiers, scientists, lawyers, etc.

I think it\\\'s a mischaracterization to say that it \\\'isn\\\'t \\\"listened\\\" to in any truly meaningful sense.\\\' Albeit for _one_ minority.

As for \\\"fleshed-out\\\", again the people I linked to rather think that men are stereotyped into certain rigid roles and their vulnerabilities ignored in MSM, and because of that male characters are hardly \\\"fleshed-out.\\\" More common, yes. More complex? No.

To quote the Double Standard Page itself: \\\'because men don\\\'t have feelings beside lust and urges to kill.\\\'

\\\"I think you are only trying to plug your own ideology.\\\"

I don\\\'t really have one. Maybe an anti-ideology.

\\\"I will happily answer your questions if you tell me how this relates to the double standard article.\\\"

Here goes nothing. We agree that special interest groups sometimes complain about their depiction in MSM. I say minority groups are listened to more then men\\\'s groups. My evidence? Most people don\\\'t even know there are men\\\'s groups complaining about the way men are depicted in media, whereas most people do know that there are minority interest groups complaining about the way minorities are depicted in media. Most know, for example, that feminists complain about how women are depicted in media.

\\\"Otherwise, take it to PMS.\\\"

Sure. When you stop editing your comments after I\\\'ve replied to them.
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\\\"That\\\'s like me saying women\\\'s issues are ignored in favor of men\\\'s in the world of fashion magazines due to the severe lack of marxist feminist discourse.\\\"

The \\\'masculinist\\\' site I linked to was calling for stories that reflect the emotional reality of men. Not just a catalog of their doings, but how they are hurt, how they suffer and how they feel disempowered.

I, personally, don\\\'t see that much in MSM. I know you\\\'ve asserted that you do and I am definitely curious about what you have seen although if you don\\\'t want to disclose, I\\\'m also happy to leave it at that. I\\\'m afraid I haven\\\'t seen many stories about how men deal with things like being victims of rape and domestic violence, the social pressures that lead them to suicide in greater numbers then women, and how living in a society that depicts them in certain unfavorable ways (BumblingDad, MenAreTheExpendableGender, MenArePerverts) affects them.

A really strong example of the \\\'invisible visible\\\' is that we never see sympathetic stories about how men really feel about their traditional gender role and how it\\\'s affected them in ways they don\\\'t like.

Even though the fashion industry may be dominated by women, that doesn\\\'t mean it\\\'s necessarily sympathetic or offers up much space for how women have been hurt by it peddling a distorted view of women. I think the MSM is likewise peddling a distorted view of men that doesn\\\'t at all relate to men\\\'s realities and doesn\\\'t have much space for those that think different.

\\\"Also men are a minority, though you probably couldn\\\'t tell from watching the MSM, which itself is sort of a \\\"men\\\'s group\\\" if we allow ourselves to be honest....portrayals of white heterosexual men are far more numerous and fleshed-out than portrayals of anyone else which, btw, is -the- main \\\"complaint\\\" that \\\"minority\\\" groups make—and the root of all complaints—yet as far as I can tell it isn\\\'t \\\"listened\\\" to in any truly meaningful sense\\\"

Didn\\\'t notice your edit earlier. I disagree that it hasn\\\'t been \\\'listened to in any truly meaningful sense.\\\' The change in how women have been portrayed in MSM is absolutely stark. From complaints about Number One in the ST:OS pilot \\\'ordering men around\\\' to what I think is nearing parity in the number of depictions of powerful, competent women as presidents, military leaders, soldiers, scientists, lawyers, etc.

I think it\\\'s a mischaracterization to say that it \\\'isn\\\'t \\\"listened\\\" to in any truly meaningful sense.\\\' Albeit for _one_ minority.

As for \\\"fleshed-out\\\", again the people I linked to rather think that men are stereotyped into certain rigid roles and their vulnerabilities ignored in MSM, and because of that male characters are hardly \\\"fleshed-out.\\\" More common, yes. More complex? No.

\\\"I think you are only trying to plug your own ideology.\\\"

I don\\\'t really have one. Maybe an anti-ideology.

\\\"I will happily answer your questions if you tell me how this relates to the double standard article.\\\"

Here goes nothing. We agree that special interest groups sometimes complain about their depiction in MSM. I say minority groups are listened to more then men\\\'s groups. My evidence? Most people don\\\'t even know there are men\\\'s groups complaining about the way men are depicted in media, whereas most people do know that there are minority interest groups complaining about the way minorities are depicted in media. Most know, for example, that feminists complain about how women are depicted in media.

\\\"Otherwise, take it to PMS.\\\"

Sure. When you stop editing your comments after I\\\'ve replied to them.
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\\\"That\\\'s like me saying women\\\'s issues are ignored in favor of men\\\'s in the world of fashion magazines due to the severe lack of marxist feminist discourse.\\\"

The \\\'masculinist\\\' site I linked to was calling for stories that reflect the emotional reality of men. Not just a catalog of their doings, but how they are hurt, how they suffer and how they feel disempowered.

I, personally, don\\\'t see that much in MSM. I know you\\\'ve asserted that you do and I am definitely curious about what you have seen although if you don\\\'t want to disclose, I\\\'m also happy to leave it at that. I\\\'m afraid I haven\\\'t seen many stories about how men deal with things like being victims of rape and domestic violence, the social pressures that lead them to suicide in greater numbers then women, and how living in a society that depicts them in certain unfavorable ways (BumblingDad, MenAreTheExpendableGender, MenArePerverts) affects them.

A really strong example of the \\\'invisible visible\\\' is that we never see sympathetic stories about how men really feel about their traditional gender role and how it\\\'s affected them in ways they don\\\'t like.

Even though the fashion industry may be dominated by women, that doesn\\\'t mean it\\\'s necessarily sympathetic or offers up much space for how women have been hurt by it peddling a distorted view of women. I think the MSM is likewise peddling a distorted view of men that doesn\\\'t at all relate to men\\\'s realities and doesn\\\'t have much space for those that think different.

\\\"Also men are a minority, though you probably couldn\\\'t tell from watching the MSM, which itself is sort of a \\\"men\\\'s group\\\" if we allow ourselves to be honest....portrayals of white heterosexual men are far more numerous and fleshed-out than portrayals of anyone else which, btw, is -the- main \\\"complaint\\\" that \\\"minority\\\" groups make—and the root of all complaints—yet as far as I can tell it isn\\\'t \\\"listened\\\" to in any truly meaningful sense\\\"

Didn\\\'t notice your edit earlier. I disagree that it hasn\\\'t been \\\'listened to in any truly meaningful sense.\\\' The change in how women have been portrayed in MSM is absolutely stark. From complaints about Number One in the ST:OS pilot \\\'ordering men around\\\' to what I think is nearing parity in the number of depictions of powerful, competent women as presidents, military leaders, soldiers, scientists, lawyers, etc.

I think it\\\'s a mischaracterization to say that it \\\'isn\\\'t \\\"listened\\\" to in any truly meaningful sense.\\\' Albeit for _one_ minority.

As for \\\"fleshed-out\\\", again the people I linked to rather think that men are stereotyped into certain rigid roles and their vulnerabilities ignored in MSM, and because of that male characters are hardly \\\"fleshed-out.\\\" More common, yes. More complex? No.

\\\"I think you are only trying to plug your own ideology.\\\"

I don\\\'t really have one. Maybe an anti-ideology.

\\\"I will happily answer your questions if you tell me how this relates to the double standard article.\\\"

Here goes nothing. We agree that special interest groups sometimes complain about their depiction in MSM. I say minority groups are listened to more then men\\\'s groups. My evidence? Most people don\\\'t even know there are men\\\'s groups complaining about the way men are depicted in media, whereas most people do know that there are minority interest groups complaining about the way minorities are depicted in media. Most know, for example, that feminists complain about how women are depicted in media.
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