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resolved A troper who keeps posting dubious tropes on the Final Fantasy 7 Remake Main Character section. Videogame
Someone named Frankie 3 keeps re-posting the same ill-fitting tropes on Tifa Lockhart's character page despite me and other tropers already having pointed out why he needs to stop doing it. Like for example, trying to pin the "Token Good Teammate" label to Tifa when the rest of the party aren't even evil people, at worst having some anti-heroic traits that don't even scale into particularly dark levels. And then there's him posting links to some random wiki to try and add proof of claim when it directly violates troping rule that pages are only for what is found within the work itself. What should be done about him?
Edited by 9thOutworldsManresolved self-promotion in tlp comments
so there's a tlp draft
being proposed. (full disclosure: I have my own issues with the proposal that are unrelated to my question and have made that explicit in the comments for the draft.) My question is: does the site allow self-promotion outside of explicit forum threads? the sponsor wrote in the comments that they have a youtube channel that discusses the trope they are proposing and then linked it in the comment. is that allowed? disallowed? allowed but frowned upon? Felt weird about it tbh, so i'm asking here.
resolved Daylight Horror reverted
So, Daylight Horror was made a disambiguation page a while ago because it was determined
that something scary happening during the day wasn't itself a trope.
However, Klaiopoiso
has recently decided to ignore that and restore the page without any discussion. The closest was them bringing up in the discussion page
, but they the only feedback they got were two people agreeing the trope shouldn't have been cut. The decision to restore the page seemed unilateral, and they didn't seem to take it through the TRS. The page is also a stub, with only two entries.
Can I get a page revert please?
Edited by chasemaddiganresolved Potential edit war? Web Original
On this page of this RWBY episode:
- Super N 9999 added a "Nice Job Fixing It Villain!" entry about Neo
.
- gjjones deemed it as potential misuse, so they took it down
.
- SuperN9999 re-adds it back, with the justification of the entry being present in Neo's character page
, despite reiterating that it was previously removed due to misuse.
Do we have a concrete Edit War here?
Edited by skan123resolved Vocabulary Conflict Anime
A little while ago now, Dentaku made this edit
on YMMV.Bocchi The Rock for the LGBT Fanbase example.
All instances of "Sapphic" were replaced with "Lesbian", saying the former is an "old-fashioned" form of the latter. I reverted the change with the reason that Sapphic is actually an umbrella term for any woman who loves woman (which does include lesbians, but also labels like bisexual, demi, etc.)
And then just today, someone reverted it again with no edit reason.
Edited by IkeaHanresolved Question about adding two colliding YMMV tropes at once:
So Silent Hill: The Short Message came out last month to a pretty polarized reception, and there's a specific dynamic about it I want to document about it, that being the debate on whether it's "a real Silent Hill game" or not. There's been a lot of different directions on it I felt could be covered, but I'm specifically interested in how detractors come in both It's the Same, So It Sucks and They Changed It, Now It Sucks! varieties, with the entries being something like:
- It's the Same, So It Sucks, referring to how some critics accuse it of being a watered-down imitation of earlier formulas established in the series, including the "journey through a horror landscape that's a metaphor for the protagonist's trauma and repressed guilt" codified by Silent Hill 2, but not as interesting.
- They Changed It, Now It Sucks! (probably the more common criticism) in that the game focuses more on "modern" Survival Horror game tropes and features a story that some accuse of being more "trendy", melodramatic, and not like "real" Silent Hill (I've seen the focus on teenage depression, abuse, and suicide being compared to unfavorably to Life is Strange).
I trust myself in not veering too hard into complaining (I actually like the game for the most part and find the divided response interesting), but I was wondering if adding these two directions at once might be actually more appropriate as a Broken Base entry, and that it's not kosher to put these points down until the requisite 6-month waiting period has passed. I don't think these audience reactions are mutually exclusive — there are different nuances to what either is referring to for what they expect from the game — but I just wonder if it's good praxis to trope in the way I'm proposing, or if I should just wait for the 6 months for a collective Broken Base entry.
Edited by number9roboticresolved Ban evader
Hello. Recently I have made a discussion on The Jungle Book page (and left an edit reason mentioning it without making any edits).
Currently only one user named Donner has responded to my discussion so far. While there was nothing suspicious about his response, I noticed Donner’s account was just created in March 2024.
While there is nothing wrong with a new user discussing things, and they haven’t actually done anything, I have made some recent discoveries about a recently deleted user named Thorion.
In the past I made an Ask The Tropers post trying to find out if Thorion and dkadugo were the same person, and geolocation proved it false.
However while they are not the same person, I have reason to believe that Thorion DID have another account on here under the username Jet 556. If that name sounds familiar, Jet 556 was a user who was suspended back in 2015(and I don’t think they were ever released from suspension, as their last edits were on July 30, 2015, though I could be wrong).
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=jet556&page=1
While Thorion’s account age was listed simply as “4 score and 7 years ago”, according to their edit history, their first edits were on July 31, 2015, while Jet 556 was suspended. And his first edits were on the same page that Jet 556 made his last edits on.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Thorion&page=67
It actually goes beyond similar edits and interests though.
Thorion had made several TV Tropes pages, as well as a fanfic rec, of fanfics written by a writer named, you guessed it, Jet 556!
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Fanfic.TheEvabonSaga&page=1
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Fanfic.EnterKenFinlayson&page=1
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanficRecs/Detentionaire
Thorion was openly promoting the work of someone with the same username as a suspended user here!
It seems like there was at least some sort of connection between Thorion and Jet 556.
Again, there is a chance I could be wrong(as I have been in the past). Maybe they were relatives or close friends. Maybe Thorion was just a big Jet 556 fan. Thorion would act like Jet was a different person whole talking about him and reviewing Jet’s work(though considering that Jet 556 was suspended, it’s obvious why Thorion would try to pass himself off as a different person). Maybe they are the same, but Thorion simply requested a new account and the moderators allowed it(though considering Jet 556 was suspended, I doubt it). But I would be very surprised if they weren’t the same. If this was already brought up and debunked, I apologize. I haven’t seen any evidence that this has been cleared up, though.
Anyway, Thorion deleted his account, and last I checked jet556 was suspended back in 2015(and possibly banned), so nothing can be done about those accounts.
I am only bringing this up because in his last PM to me before deleting his account Thorion said he would “accept whatever punishment he received”, but he deleted his account(and I don’t know if he did it while under suspension, which would be a bounce, or if he did it before), and now this new Donner account, just created in March 2024 after Thorion deleted his account, is the only person to respond in my discussion so far. And if my suspicions are true, then Thorion has likely ban evaded in the past, meaning there is a chance for him to do it again.
If geolocation confirms Donner is a different person, then that’s fine. I’ve been wrong before. Again, nothing really suspicious other than the account’s age. They’ve only made a few edits so far so it’s difficult to tell at this point(they edited on some of the same pages Thorion did, but Thorion’s edited on a LOT of pages and Donner has also edited pages Thorion hasn’t, so there’s no real evidence). I just want to know because a discussion can’t really be had against a possible ban evader for numerous reasons.
Again, sorry to bother you about this.
Update: Posted more evidence of Donner likely being jet556/Thorion in the replies.
Edited by Clownishchimpresolved Edit warring on the Voltes V Legacy YMMV page
I removed the Germans Love David Hasselhoff entry over there because apart from being messy and over cluttered like whoever put it there was trying way too hard to prove a point, I looked at the lists and it showed nothing but positive first impressions and the tropers who put it there making assumptions based on those. It's particularly egregious how they even listed individual comments/notes from random individuals and fansubs. I mean, fansubs can simply mean a show has a very small cult following or even just curious individuals who dubbed something for the heck of it. It doesn't prove anything, as far as I'm aware. Even more egregious is the fact that Voltes V Legacy is only seeing what appears to be a dub in Spanish speaking countries, and when I looked at it, it's not even an officially sanctioned dub, just the passion project of a certain few individuals who were fans of the original Voltes V anime and not necessarily the live-action show itself. There's no real evidence that the show became an audience favorite based on those lists.
I'm bringing the issue here because someone who contributed to that entry's list of info decided to readd the deleted entry
after I removed it. I'll concede if the list is enough proof to list as GLDH, but I still would like to hear others' takes on what really counts as proof of a GLDH situation.
resolved What to do about 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die
I do remember there being a series of discussions more than a year ago at this rate which went over the various list articles that needed to be removed (which ended around here
). 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die has been brought up, but while the page is alright, and has tropes to justify its existence, there wasn't a conclusive action about what to do with the list itself as it stands in the description. Should that list go or should we just let it be?
resolved Dethroning Moment About Rae Mills
From DethroningMoment.Web Original:
- JEFFWONTLEAVE: I personally think that commentary videos get a bad rep nowadays. They have drastically improved from what they were back in 2011 with much more insight and humor. One prime example of this is Rae Mills, considered by many to be the best one out there. Which makes her DMOS, Response to Mr Enter
even more painful. The video itself could have been better if it was worked into a main commentary on her channel or People who did the B.O.P commentary on Mr.Enter's troll video did the response, but instead it's just a lazy response that come's across as filler for a Massive Multiplayer Crossover channel. But the main issue I had with this video that turned it From Bad to Worse was the last 3 minutes where she tries to come across as The Last DJ who is trying to help save the poor misinformed fans of this horrible person who made a video she hated on youtube instead turned the entire response to a very mean-spirited, arrogant and completely uncalled for rant about Mr.enter. For someone who is well known for being very well reasonable and yet still blunt and to the point, this seemed completely out of character for her and added nothing of value to the commentary. As a person who hated that troll video as much as, if not more so then her, I was completely furious with this video and was considering just giving up on the commentary community all over again, but I decided to give her one more shot and she did win me back. But I'm still not forgiving her for that train wreck any time soon.
For those unaware, Rae has been the subject of quite the bit of controversy since this entry was written (I'd rather not get into it myself). For that reason, I'm wondering what, if anything, should be done with this entry, or if nothing about it should be done. What do you guys think?
Edited by JHD0919resolved Unspoilered context for spoilers Videogame
Pokémon Scarlet and Violet currently has an almost-entirely-white example for its Magnificent Bastard entry. It was not like that previously: I wrote part of it outside the spoilers to give context. For the record, here's what it was previously:
- Magnificent Bastard: The Final Bosses of the game caught many players off-guard for how ingenious they are: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
And here's what it looks like now:
- Magnificent Bastard: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
Shooting Star 7 X deleted the non-spoilered context, with the edit reason of "Plently of Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard writeups are completely spoilered out, and this addition would make no sense without spoiler markup (i.e. on Magnificent Bastard.Pokemon)."
I don't see the reasoning behind that. "Other examples also do this" isn't good justification; Self-Fulfilling Spoiler points out that fully-spoiled examples are bad writing. Also, "this wouldn't make sense if it wasn't a spoiler" doesn't work either, because the example is a spoiler, and it's not like my addition detracts from the example if it's read in its entirety without a spoiler — at least, in my opinion.
I asked ShootingStar7X in a PM, but they didn't respond to me. I also consulted Magnificent Bastard to see if there's a rule that all MB entries must be fully spoiled, and it doesn't say.
Am I clear to restore the edit I made previously?
resolved Pages for Fanfics that don't actually exist?
Yeah, someone has created a fanfic for My Hero Academia that I don't think actually exists.
The page itself, My Hero Academia Rewritten Sparks mentions it's an "upcoming" fanfic... but I can't find any traces of it outside that page anywhere else. And it doesn't list an author, so there's that too. The only contributer of the page is SK1212, who is either the "author" themselves, or someone independent but unable to provide evidence the fic actually exists.
Isn't there something in the rules against giving works that don't exist their own pages without concrete evidence it does exist in some form outside of the page?
Edited by RebelFalconresolved Potential edit war Live Action TV
Troper Metal Max 1991 has been constantly re-adding Alternate Self to MCU: Benjamin Poindexter that connects it to the 2003 Daredevil movie even though those films haven’t ever crossed over or been connected so they’re not canon. Are they commiting an edit war?
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyyresolved Was there a consensus for this edit? Western Animation
This was added in The Owl House - Emperor Belos:
- Seven Deadly Sins: Fittingly for a Satanic Archetype and ironically for a heavily implied devout Puritan, Belos is actually guilty of all seven of them.
- Wrath: He's not loud about it, but his murder of Caleb and of his grimwalker clones all stem from his anger towards Caleb for "leaving" him for a witch and refusing to repent and, for the girmwalkers, betraying him as he believes Caleb did.
- Lust: Despite showing no interest in anyone, Belos does have a lust for fame and glory as a great Witch Hunter General. This on top of his implied lust for attention given that he in part murdered Caleb for "abandoning" him for Evelyn.
- Pride: Perhaps the most fitting, he truly believes himself to be the great Witch Hunter General he's dreamed of being since childhood and it was Caleb spending time with his witch lover instead of him that would eventually motivate Philip to murder him. Tying into the above lust for glory, being the Witch Hunter General would also offer him no shortage of adulation and attention, per the Sin of Pride's meaning.
- Sloth: Insofar as Belos is morally apathetic as he certainly not slothful in pursuing his goals. He does not care in the least that what he's doing is wrong, even though on some level he's realized it is. All he cares about at this point is succeeding because otherwise all his other sins and atrocities will have been for nothing.
- Greed: Not so much for material wealth, not that he lacks that as Emperor, but Belos is an innately selfish person who intends to enjoy whatever spoils of his victory may come by himself seeing as he plans on killing off all of his Witch and Demon allies as part of his plan. The only possible exception being Luz if she would take his offer to join her.
- Gluttony: This one is more induced, but he needs to consume more and more Palismen to stay alive long enough to complete his plans and he has no qualms with over indulging if it means he lives just a little longer.
- Envy: In a more platonic sense than usual, but envy is the disire for something someone else possesses. In this case, Philip was a Green-Eyed Monster towards Evelyn for taking Caleb away from him and projected that envy and hatred towards the Boiling Isles as a whole. And as is so often the case, his sin of Envy lead to him commiting all the others.
- And on a certain level, Belos has even commited the lesser known eighth sin from Orthodox Christianity: Despair. Despite having realized, on some level, after centuries of atrocities and sin that he's in the wrong Belos refuses any and all offers to change or even simply give up and instead convinces himself that no matter how wrong it is, he has to destory the Boiling Isles and everyone on it if for no other reason that to make all his sins worth it.
Even though the hidden comment stated this.
- Seven Deadly Sins Do not add back without consensus.
That comment was deleted in a later edit, but there doesn't seemed to be a link showcasing the consensus and feels like the comment was deliberately ignored.
resolved Another troper with a wonk against a character.
Reddish Guy 1 seems to have a wonk against character Lizel from Kamen Rider Gavv:
- They first added an entry in the Tear Jerker section of the show claiming that "The vast majority of Rider fans seem to have a very easy time not feeling pity for Lizel."
When I reverted it back to what it was since YMMV is still subjective, they removed it again on the basis that it is "not objective"
.
- They replaced this more neutral entry with this
— and particularly the part "the episode is supposed to" makes it feel like a jab against the episode itself.
- Now they're trying to insert
a Karma Houdini entry for her despite it being previously deleted on the basis that the Laser-Guided Karma trope exists in her character page.
resolved Does this part of a Pop-Culture Isolation example really qualify? Live Action TV
On YMMV.Squid Game, 8BrickMario
recently added
the following bolded sentence to the page's Pop-Culture Isolation example:
- Pop-Culture Isolation: The reason the reveal in "Front Man" that the Front Man is Jun-ho's missing brother In-ho was more shocking to Korean audiences but kind of got lost in translation internationally is because the Front Man's actor – Lee Byung-hun – is one of the top A-list megastars of all of South Korean cinema, and whose film Inside Men was explicitly referenced earlier in the series by Ji-yeong in the past episode "Gganbu", even mentioning Lee by name. While Lee has also played roles in Western cinema before Squid Game, most notably Storm Shadow in the G.I. Joe film series, neither Lee himself nor the use of Celebrity Paradox via passing dialogue are anywhere near as popular in Western media. From a Western perspective, imagine if a player sarcastically referred to the games as "our mission, should we choose to accept it", only for it to turn out that the mysterious leader of the masked guards is portrayed by Tom Cruise. Perhaps recognizing that Lee Byung-hun's reveal didn't hit as much outside of Korea, the show does pull off a similar casting effect for Western audiences by Season 3, where we see an American games recruiter played by Cate Blanchett!
The issue is that this added sentence was apparently to mention how the series "corrected" the pop culture issue with another big-name actor, but I don't really get how it can parallel to the issue of Western audiences not regarding Lee Byung-hun as much as Cate Blanchett, since the latter's character is someone who appears only once (unlike the former's major role) and didn't first appear masked before then having their face visible to amaze audiences at the actor, nor is there any mention or reference to said actor and/or their other roles beforehand.
I'm wondering, could this added sentence feel too redundant for what the example is referring to? What are your thoughts?
Sent a PM to 8BrickMario so they can be aware of this query, by the way.
Edited by Inky100resolved Reporting EditWar (NVM, taking directly to MODS)
- On November 23rd, 2024
, Tropers/BK-notburgerking edited the Adaptation Relationship Overhaul entry for Momo Yaoyorozu on The Best Case Scenario, if you're being "realistic", adding the detail "as they have far more respect for her (and less for Bakugo or Todoroki) than they ever did in canon."
- On June 11th, 2025
, Rebel Falcon (Myself) edited the entry to remove that detail, leaving the edit reason "They had plenty of respect for her in canon".
- The same day, not even 4 hours later
, BK-notburgerking readded the trope, with the edit reason "Not nearly to the same extent as here, especially considering how often others take the spotlight in canon", enacting an Edit War.
This reached the point I had brought it up in ATT once before
resulting in their being suspended, had to open up another ATT just to get permission to revert the edits like I was originally aiming for
, and then get a notification half a year later because they responded to the ATT long after the decision had been made requiring I mark the topic as resolved since it already had been long resolved.
Requesting assistance in this matter, possibly moderator intervention as well. I would send them a PM notifier, but I blocked them from my PM's last year after the original ATT issue, so someone else will have to.
Edited by RebelFalconresolved "See the subpage" vs. crosswicking Live Action TV
~Mariofan 99 removed
two Franchise Original Sin examples from YMMV.Obi Wan Kenobi and replaced it with something to the effect of "See FranchiseOriginalSin.Star Wars". I feel like this practice violates Crosswicking policy (i.e. I'm okay with having a franchise hub subpage but I think examples should still be crosswicked on individual work pages), but since I wrote one of the examples myself, I want a second opinion to avoid edit-warring.
They also failed to actually add the removed example to the subpage.
Edited by StarSwordresolved Question regarding recent entries to SundressOfInnocence
The issue I was having is that Dizzleboy added two ZCE examples, which I ratioed, and asked for context.
Instead, he added another example, for Evangelion, which is both inaccurate and seemingly fetishizes the character of Asuka. In her introductory episode, when she's wearing her sundress, she is introduced not as innocent, but as brash, arrogant, and egotistical, as well as self-important. And as I said, the language Dizzleboy uses seems...fetishist.

In this query
, I reported Stellavore for removing an example with a rude edit reason
that had more to do with the trope name being changed than the example itself. The example was restored
, and Stellavore has removed it again
.
Edited by UFOYeah