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resolved Internet Backdraft/Marvel Cinematic Universe has a stupid entry Film
On Marvel Cinematic Universe there's this entry:
- A theory has been springing up that Marvel are sabotaging the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises in order to weaken Fox's success with their films, noting their reduced presence in the comicsnote which isn't true; the X-Men are currently one of the biggest lines they're producing, with more spin-offs than ever, Wolverine and Deadpool dying note which is no different than any other 'big shocking deaths', and is being used to launch several miniseries attracting tons of publicity to the X-Men line as it is, the Fantastic Four comic being cancellednote which has been underselling for a while, and while not the worst seller, it's still been pretty bad and doesn't have the cult following that their other books have, lack of merchandise produced for X-Men: Days of Future Pastnote which wasn't true; there weren't any children's toys produced, which is largely down to licensing issues; they still sold Hot Toys collectibles for them though, are still selling toys for the franchise in general, and sold toys for the film before that, their reduced appearances in recent animated seriesnote ignoring that Wolverine did get an animated movie and has appeared in their other cartoons, and a memo apparently sent out asking for artists to not send them Fantastic Four artworknote the validity of this memo is questionable at best. The theory itself makes little sense, but hasn't stopped people buying into it, including Rob Liefeld note Liefeld's creations are tied with Fox's licenses, so of course he'd be on their side over this.
- Disney's acquisition of Fox. Beyond the "Yay, X-Men and the Fantastic Four can be in the MCU!" cheering, fans were concerned about how Disney continued to acquire a huge amount of popular IPs to the point of becoming a near monopoly.
The first one is iffy in its own right, but the second bullet is my concern today. A couple of things:
1. This isn't about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, it's about Disney. The only connection the MCU really has to this is that Marvel Studios, the guys who oversee it, are owned by Disney. Unless the entry is alleging that Disney spent $71.3 billion acquiring the Fox film assets primarily to get the film rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises, in which case... yeah, I totally believe that. TOTALLY.
2. In all seriousness, Disney didn't do this because they thought Marvel Studios needed two more franchises. They did it because they want to bulk up their collective film library in preparation for going into the streaming market. Remember, Disney+ launches later this year, and Disney wants to leverage their majority control of Hulu to push for an international release around the same time, with the stated goal of being a place to put their adult-leaning content. That's why this happened.
3. For the record, this entry is heavily biased, mentioning the backlash to the decision to greenlight the acquisition while dismissing ANY praise or excitement as just people being excited for certain franchises; call me crazy but I don't think it's as bad as this entry makes it out to be.
4. This is a minor complaint compared to the preceding three, but it's also an example of bad indentation. It's got nothing to do with the preceding entry other than that they both involve Fox. I mean, seriously?
Look, my vote is to just delete it, but I wanted to at least make sure I consulted the community to see if that's the only workable solution, because I get the feeling that SOMEONE is going to want to talk about it on the wiki SOMEWHERE and it's worth figuring out where, if anywhere, is an appropriate place to do so.
Edited by MinisterOfSinisterresolved Christian Potter Chandler. Web Original
Hoo boy. Fanfic.Christian Potter Chandler is a Harry Potter fanfic that replaces the title character with... well, you can guess. The fic proceeds to imply that preteen Chris-chan touches himself at night, among other things.
Anyone else think this one should get the Asperchu treatment?
Edited by bwburke94resolved Possible EditWar on Characters/KingdomHeartsEnemyCreatures Videogame
In January 2019, both Phoenixion and Mattman_the_Storyteller deleted tropes that suggested that Commantis is actually a Brainwashed and Crazy spirit. Both gave edit
reasons
that said, basically, that the game itself gave no evidence to this.
In October, Aurawick added
the tropes back with no edit reason.
Personally, I agree with both Phoenixion and Mattman_the_Storyteller. Looking back, there is no evidence in game for the tropes. But since the tropes were added back without a reason, is this an Edit War?
Edited by SailorTardisresolved Soft Reboot Misuse
A few years ago I added Sonic Adventure to the Soft Reboot page. Fast forward to today and it somehow bloated to the point of absurdity that every 3D entry in the Sonic series is a Soft Reboot. Here's my assessment:
- While the Adventure games defined the tone of the franchise for several years, a period lengthened by a successful transition to Nintendo hardware, Sega then decided to go Multi-Platform with Sonic Heroes, a game that expanded on the playable roster (from six "main" characters in each of the Adventure games to a whopping twelve), emphasizing straightforward and lighthearted storytelling (as opposed to the more somber elements of death and destruction in the Adventure games), and ignoring most of the existing lore. No, it's a direct continuation of the Adventure duology. It didn't "ignore the existing lore". An expanded cast, a shift in tone, and a new gameplay gimmick doesn't differentiate it enough from past games.
- Sega then decided to exploit its then hottest character and gave him the leading role in Shadow the Hedgehog, but this proved to be such a commercial and popular failure that the next big console release — Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) — was openly described as a reboot in articles and press releases leading-up to its release (note that "2006" is not in the game's actual title, which is simply Sonic the Hedgehog, as though it were the first in the series). This game featured a massive Tone Shift away from a Doom-esque hellscape to a highly wrought and exotic setting typical of Final Fantasy, revisited Adventure-style narrative tropes like ancient evils and decades-old intrigue, removed any cartoony design elements (save for Funny Animals like Sonic and friends) — it even had a realistic Eggman. Maybe this can stay. I'm a bit iffy on this one since it still takes place in the Adventure continuity. My main hang-up is "thin Eggman" and Yuji Naka stating in interviews that he wanted to reinvent the franchise to be more like Batman (yes, really). Honestly the title alone gives the impression that this was a supposed to be a reboot
- With the failure of '06, Sega decided to rework its approach once again. After three games featuring Sonic's substantial list of playable characters, Sega began a more experimental period in two parts focused almost exclusively on Sonic himself. The Sonic Storybook Series featured Sonic in solo on-rails adventures in fantasy worlds derived from real-life legend, while Sonic Unleashed compromised between this approach and the Sonic Adventure approach to narrative and game design, with another ancient evil plot and experimental Beat 'em Up gameplay. Another notable element of this era was the reduction of Sonic's portrayal as a goody two-shoes, which had dominated his characterization from Heroes to '06, in favor of restoring his Mascot with Attitude personality. I feel like Unleashed can stay because it discarded the Adventure storyline, introduced the Boost mechanic that would go on to define the HD era of Sonic, and made Sonic the main focus of the series from this point forward as opposed to the Loads And Loads Of Characters of past 3D Sonic games.
- None of these games proved to be an especially successful new direction, prompting Sega to go back to even further basics with Sonic Colors: a pure contest of wills between Sonic and Eggman to rescue distressed critters (and in that sense a plot no more complicated than the very first Sonic the Hedgehog 1), with Tails on the sidelines to give Sonic somebody to chat with. Colors also notably employed a simple and lighthearted tone not seen since Sonic Heroes, but also an irreverent and tightly written comedic tone not seen since Sonic's early American cartoons. Colors was a hit, prompting Sega to borrow most of the gameplay and expand on its approach to the Classic era Sonic with Sonic Generations, and then providing a direct sequel to Colors with Sonic Lost World, which expanded on the outer space setting of Colors by employing design elements from Super Mario Galaxy. I don't think Colors differentiates itself enough from Unleashed to count, and I wouldn't call Lost World a "direct sequel" to Colors.
- With the failure of Lost World, however, Sega embarked on a new project entirely in Sonic Boom, an era of the franchise spanning several years' worth of video games, a cartoon, and comic books. Boom was a spinoff that reimagined the core Sonic cast from the ground up and engaged them with adventure archaeology and mad science more in the vein of Crash Bandicoot than of Sonic's historic high-speed platforming (no doubt thanks to the creators of Boom having been involved with Crash years before). Sonic Boom was never intended to replace the mainline continuity of the Sonic franchise, it was always meant to be a spinoff, so this can go.
- Sonic Forces, the first major core series title since Boom began, references previous titles while at the same time leaving out a lot of things from previous games. Most blatantly, there are no humans besides Eggman (there aren't even minor human NPCs anywhere), and though there's a world war going on, G.U.N. is nowhere in sight. Instead, for the first time in the games, we have Funny Animal minor characters appearing. The game also doesn't include some previous areas such as Station Square and instead takes place near a nondescript "City." However... There were no humans since Colors either, and no mention of G.U.N. since '06 because Unleashed basically did away with the Adventure continuity.
- Tepid reaction to Forces (and certain assertations about series lore during this time) ensured that Sega once again would backtrack from this new direction beginning with Sonic Frontiers, which notably introduced an "Open Zone" structure to the gameplay formula. Frontiers and supplemental works such as TailsTube would also begin "clarifying" more controversial Word of God statements made during the Forces era so as to no longer conflict with pre-existing canon while also Canon Welding the games to other media like the IDW comics and Sonic Prime and having a stronger, more serious focus on continuity over the more self-referential and often self-deprecating humor of the 2010s (often dubbed the "Meta Era" as a result). This could probably count, since the "boost to win" formula and self-deprecating snark from Unleashed and onward were finally abandoned in favor of open-world gameplay and a script that takes itself much more seriously.
resolved Possible Suspension Dodging/Improper Editing Behavior
So for a while now I've been going back and forth on the Aztec Batman: Clash of Empires YMMV page where this troper "thebendu" keeps editing the one meme entry on that page (a meme of Joker being "based" for siding with the Spaniards to stop the human sacrificing of people and children) where they kept editing it to paint the real life Aztecs as victims of the evil Spaniards, ignoring how that's not what the meme is. Their few other edits where also all focused on whitewashing how brutal the Aztecs were in real life, for what that's worth.
Long story short on that, they kept ignoring the rules on editing or provide any reasoning I reported them and they got suspension. Now I hop on and check that page, some troper who never existed before today called "Boobam 45" just deleted the whole entry claiming it to be "racist" and that it should enter the discussion forms (which they did not do, they just deleted it). Given this was with 24 hours of thebendu's suspension, and they still left an empty Memetic Mutation entry (similar to thebendu's past edits lacking proper formatting), I think this new account is just thebendu under a new name still trying to block that entry despite being reported and suspended once already. There has been no activity on that page aside from myself and them to suggest otherwise.
To be honest I find this whole thing ridiculous and exhausting at this point, this guy is obsessed with not letting a stupid meme be discussed, but the fact remains it seems like there's someone on this site concerned only with rewriting history to what they see as "proper" and is ignoring all the rules and regulations of this site to do so.
Edited by koryresolved Should this deleted YMMV entry be restored? Western Animation
On Arcane's YMMV page, Damian Wayne deleted this "One True Pairing" entry
for the second time in a row even after a previous ATT thread
on this very same topic resolved itself with an overall consensus that it did indeed qualify as an example. This was the initial reason the troper gave for deleting it:
- "OTP indicates a ship that is universally beloved to the point there are no significant alternatives to it. A quick look on any fan site will show that this isn't the case for Ekko/Jinx.Not only does Lightcannon fan works keep getting updated, but most of the work featuring Jinx hardly feature her in a romantic relationship at all."
As what was already noted in the aforementioned ATT thread, the One True Pairing page does not describe a pairing that is "universally beloved" to the point where no alternatives exist. It simply describes a phenomena whenever there is a pairing within a work that is preferred by a group of fans above others, in-which the "Ekko/Jinx" ship qualifies for within the context of Arcane due to the wave of positive reception and fan art seen across social media (general critic and audience reactions, YouTube, Twitter, Tiktok, Reddit, etc.) after the debut of Season 2's final batch of episodes. There is no rule that states the existence of another ship disqualifies an OTP nor is there anything that bars qualification if the pairing also has detractors, which is part of the reason why Ship-to-Ship Combat exists.
I did attempt to message the troper to try and open up a dialogue over the deletion but they never made a reply. After waiting a couple of days, I restored the entry. But as I already mentioned, it was deleted again by the same troper. This was the new reason they gave alongside adding a No Yay entry in place of it:
- "I hope this new entry will finally put an end to this argument"
Out of a desire to avoid an editing war over a ship of all things, I wanted to get some outside opinions on the matter. Should the original OTP entry be restored? Or is there something I'm missing that warrants the example's deletion?
Edited by Killionaire
Always open to sharing avatars and chatting. Can message me for either. (He/Him) Currently watching: BTAS (Finished)
resolved Problem with an RP player at Forum Games
So, Blase Son Of A Gun 1988 has a bit of a recurring problem at Our Avatars Are Posting In A Forum Thread
.
- First, he's been godmodding like crazy and his character is basically a Gary Stu/Anti Sue that loves to fight and can beat literally anything. Pretty much his whole character shtick is 'Punches things really hard because he needs to fight something'. This isn't usually a problem except that's all he literally do to the point it gets annoying. We told him to stop and do something else but nada. 'Claidheamh' can also beat a million mooks daily on a regular basis and can rip apart through dimensions. Again, bit of a problem because the whole point of the thread is 'avatars chat with each other', not 'avatars fight Claidheamh and get stomped because he is just that awesome'.
- Second, he has a tendency to bring and stir up dramas, not only in the RP but also at the What Offends Your Avatar About the Above Post
. Yeah the whole point of the thread is obvious but he's been unneccessarily rude sometimes , and with what happened with the previous thread
, we really don't want history to repeat itself here.
Can something be done about him here? This problem has been recurring ever since he started, and it hasn't improved much since.
Edited by Myskywarmresolved Questionable Edit removal from Recap for Rick and Morty Western Animation
On December 18th, 2022, I added a "The Reason You Suck" Speech entry for the Rick and Morty episode "Ricktional Mortpoons Rickmas Mortcation".
- "The Reason You Suck" Speech: When Rick tries to leave after making the driller once Morty makes clear he doesn't want Rick coming with him to get the Lightsaber, Morty gets pissed at the idea Rick is acting like Morty betrayed him and not the other way around. Rick, thoroughly done with listening to Morty and wanting to just go back to hunting down Rick Prime, delivers a quick but succinct tear down of Morty, both for the events of the last episode, and his general treatment of Rick overall the last few seasons, with Morty treating him like shit despite Rick bothering to open up to him. Morty himself can only wince and look upset while he's listening up until Curtis reassures him he won't kill his family.
Rick: You wanna know why I replaced myself in the beginning of that stupid Knights of the Sun thing? I said don't take the fucking sword and you were like "whatever" like I'm our neighbor Gene or David Arquette or something. You called me boring. I've become dog shit to you. That's what happens when you let people in and they stop respecting you, they touch your shit, they screw things up, they kill your fucking family. Go ahead. Trust [Curtis]. You're going to learn the same fucking thing.
- 1. It's not presented as the way the edit reason states, namely since Rick had been keeping Morty out of his hunt for Rick Prime rather than forcing him to help, and Morty was acting like Rick was entirely at fault for not being honest. While an argument can be made for Unintentionally Unsympathetic, the fact of the matter is that it's not presented in the manner the edit reason suggests.
- 2. "The Reason You Suck" Speech is not a YMMV trope, meaning even if Mantyf does not see it as a speech but more a rant from an abuser, the trope itself is what matters. So if the entry is an actual case of "The Reason You Suck" Speech as presented in the show itself, removing it based on an interpretation feels like a mistake.
resolved Neglectful Precursor Trope Quesiton
I noticed that the trope description for Neglectful Precursors is formatted as a court trial. In addition, I also noticed that about 99% of the examples are also written as court cases. Does this trope actually require that examples be written that way? I wanted to ask because I couldn't find anything on the page itself indicating that.
resolved Troper with persist ZCE issue
They first come to my attention with this edit
, which they added several empty folders and one pure ZCE (trope without example}.
The next day, they uncommented
several Palette Swap without adding proper context, talking about the origin of enteies instead of explaning why they are examples of the trope (which, I think most are misused considered how different they were in said origins).
The next, they uncommented another ZCE
, with the context relies on other works and not how it is applies to the subject work. Another edit before that one
, they uncommented The Rival while listed several similarities between two characters, but not mentioned the characters rivalry at all.
I sent three notifiers, one for each of these edit.
Today, they added another
, preemptive commented out. Which seems to be their current pattern
.
resolved New spammer
New troper milobanana
is spamming various pages with gibberish in a way that reads like a spammer and not just a confused newbie troper:
- i AM REA
- the blue man is here
- And whatever this
is.
resolved Resolving issue on Character page for Characters/ChainsawManDenji
On June 15th
, I added an entry for an averted case of Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male. On June 28th, Tropers/tetesuper0 removed it without providing an edit reason, upon which I restored it without triggering an edit war by reason of "Deleted without reason
". 5 Hours later, tetesuper0 removed it again, with the reason of "In charter 169 denji don't see the handjob as a Bad experience". I believe this counts as an Edit War on their part.
Even then, I don't really think that reason counts considering the context, namely that Denji has been known to try and embrace ignorance to avoid the sheer hell that is his life, and is a very mentally damaged young man who had just been in the midst of a mental breakdown, and has demonstrated self-loathing and even self-harm to avoid dwelling on the negative thoughts, so him thinking he enjoyed it falls in line with him rationalizing the experience so as to not completely shut down, supported by how, when they go to the sushi restaurant immediately after, he's largely on autopilot until he realizes Barem Bridge, the asshole who killed his pets, burned his apartment down, and possibly killed his adoptive sister, is sitting right next to him, with his immediate response being to try and stab him with a pair of chopsticks.
And even then, the incident itself was rape. Neither Denji nor Asa consented to Yoru taking control of Asa and using her body to give Denji a handjob.
Edited by RebelFalconresolved Question about Zalgo as used in the title of a video
As has been established, the use of Zalgo text is not allowed on the wiki. However, over on YMMV.Si Iva Gunner, I noticed it being used in an entry concerning a video by Siiva. Thing is, AFAIK Zalgo text was what was originally used in the video title, prior to it being renamed — the text is just quoting the video.
With that in mind, is Zalgo OK to use if it's in the original title of a work, or no? And if so, should I retitle the link to match the current title of the video?
Edited by themayorofsimpletonresolved Is "All-New Venom" page overdoing it a little with the Paul hate? Literature
I noticed recent edits to All-New Venom seem to be definitively describing Paul Rabin as an abusive asshole selfishly gaslighting and brainwashing Mary Jane into staying with him when she clearly still loves Peter Parker.
Now, I don't like Paul any more than... well... pretty much everyone, including the writers and artists at Marvel, but that strikes me as going into Alternative Character Interpretation territory—indeed, Paul being an abusive asshole who uses gaslighting and dark magic to manipulate MJ into staying with him when she still loves Peter Parker is mentioned under Alternative Character Interpretation on the YMMV page.
If anything, Paul is depicted as a Butt-Monkey who's effectively being cuckolded by the Venom symbiote and is disrespected by Dylan Brock at every available opportunity despite reaching out to the latter and trying to be a supportive father figure.
Edited by Arawn999resolved Low quality edits - formatting & English
I guess I'll be the rat and I hate to do this (since I share the struggle), but it's just tiresome at this point.
Troper kruczak has zero regard for the English grammar and spelling. For months now, I've been carefully cleaning up his mess whenever I've stumbled into it, especially in works from the Polish Media index (since that's where we are both usually active, for obvious reasons). But after nearly two years of this, I'm absolutely done.
This isn't even that he's making mistakes. It's the scale and level of them, where he can't even be bothered to first check in a preview mode if his entries display properly (or notice there are red links or the formatting is off after posting). So "naturally" stuff like doing the spellcheck or fixing the grammar is off the menu. And it's almost always a one-and-done type of deal, with no attempt to fix things later, revisit or anything like that.
I get it with some of his mistakes. Polish doesn't have articles of any kind, so it's pure abstraction trying to grasp the English ones. But for Christ's sake, we reached the technological point where the browser itself is going to pick up half of the slack by itself, highlighting mistakes, and there are dozens upon dozens of grammar autocorrect tools readily available (guilty as charged for always double-checking with those and I'm still unsure most of the time). There is literally no excuse to keep making the same basic mistakes that a mid-schooler would know better than to make.
So pretty please, do something with this guy, for I'm done being his editor or covering for him.
A sample of his most recent edits, but they are all
like this:
(No, I can't PM here, I'm banned from using PMs, someone else will have to do that)
Edited by Tropiarzresolved Removing (non-problematic) edits created by ban-evader
As you probably all know, a user going by the name of Blase Son Of A Gun 1988 revealed themself to be a ban-evader.
For a short time, they were a contributor on the page for Our avatars are posting on a forum thread and its subpages. Most, if not all of their edits were relatively tame.
Is it okay to scrub these edits (and possibly all mentions of the characters they played) due to them being a ban-evader or do the edits have to be problematic to justify it?
Edited by The21zonzresolved "A time to kill": From Questionable trope entries to a questionable page overall. Film
So...I noticed the page for A Time to Kill was made years ago by erforce, who's account was deleted a while ago. Overall, the way it was all written sounds weirdly apologetic to the two white supremacists while overtly critical to Carl and the protagonists of the film.
I'll be very honest; I'm unfamiliar with the policy in regard to entries with tropes like Black-and-Gray Morality, if any, so I will need the perspective or knowledge of fellow tropers on this one.
I was looking through the page, and then I noticed the entries done for Black-and-Gray Morality, and I noticed this:
* What the men did to his daughter was undoubtedly reprehensible, but did that give Carl Lee the right to take their lives? If it had been a black rapist getting shot, would there be as much discussion? What if it had been your child? Well, much depends on the personal standpoint.
I can't quite put my finger on what's wrong with this entry, aside from the obvious whataboutism, but there's something that seems a bit off.
I'm also thinking, upon second inspection, it's not just the entries for that trope that are the only problematic thing about the way this page was written. Again, alot of this was edited by other tropers, but I do know that it wasn't really altered so much as it was broken up into smaller entries from what Erforce originally had written. There's more than what I've listed here, but that can be seen on the page itself.
Overall, what should be my next step of action with this? More importantly, what does everyone else make of how this page was written?
Edited by Stardust5099resolved Edit War regarding unconfirmed info (Genshin spoilers)
Ebro 4920 added that the Abyss Order returned in Fontaine AQ as the Arc Villain here
, when it's just the All-Devouring Narwhal, which has no indication of being affiliated with it.
I removed it
but they readded it
, saying "the fact that it's on this page implies that it's also part of the order," ignoring that the entity is on the "Independent Entities" header and that the Ebro4920 was the one to add it in the first place (I did not realize this one until reading the history).
I did PM Ebro4920, to no response. And I apologize for trying to Edit War myself
(although I immediately undid it afterwards).
EDIT: Ebro4920 has since PMed me to remove the aforementioned Out of Focus entry entirely not only for the unaffiliated entity but also for the Abyss Order's role in Chapter III's Caribert (which is pretty recent), so it's all good.
Edited by Exaskliri

I noticed that somebody made quite substantial edits on the Wrestling.Jesse Ventura page. Basically, on every mention that Ventura was Governor of Minnesota, "Governor" is replaced with "Premier" (even though the name of the office is Governor) and claims without proof that Ventura is a Canadian citizen (even though he was born in Minnesota). I though about editing it myself, but the changes are so substantial that I thought it would be easier to ask a mod to take a look at it and revert it wholesale, as I don't see any proof of these claims.