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resolved Problematic troper Music
cryptic-immortal has been editing the Music.Muse page and its subpages recently, and many of their edits... Concern me. For example...
- Here
, they added a Drinking Game entry to the YMMV page, even though I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to be linked there.
- On the WMG page, they seem to be indulging in quite a bit of self-natter
, complete with the usual First-Person Writing. They're adding natter to the Headscratchers page, too
.
- They also have formatting issues, such as when they attempted to add the aforementioned Drinking Game entry on the main page
before moving it to YMMV.
- Finally, they have problems with example context, like here
.
I have sent notifers to them.
Edited by ChillyBeanBAMresolved Trouble with Trivia/CodesAndGeassEmbracingYourInnerMegalomania
Hello again, little bit of an issue regarding the trivia page for this fanfic, and hopefully the last one I bring to ATT since I am attempting to disassociate myself from this fic.
The Trivia page is only meant for trivia, right? Well, the author of the work, Tropers/Trickster_Priest, has restored several tropes that were removed for not being trivia tropes. Namely two Useful Notes, BDSM and Oda Nobunaga, and one normal trope: Insistent Terminology. Shouldn't they be removed though since they are not trivia?
They have also removed two tropes, Dear Negative Reader and Hostility on the Set, and an entry for another trope, Creator's Pest, with no given reason whatsoever. Unless they are cases of misuse, isn't their removal not permitted under the ruling of The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours?
I apologize for troubling you, and thank you in advance for resolving this.
Edited by RebelFalconresolved Cowboy Emerald at his Computer
User Emerald Source has a problem with Unilateral Editing, as they seem to have a habit of overhauling descriptions of tropes without running it through Trope Description Improvement Drive, or providing any edit reasons. One of these edits
on Ms. Fanservice was noticed back in May 13th by some users on the aforementioned forum thread, which they sent a notifier for (seen here
), but Emerald Source has continued the habit regardless, as one can see through a few edits in their post-May 13th edit history:
- Space Clothes, edited here
.
- In-Camera Effects, edited here
.
- Basement Dweller, edited here
.
- My Real Daddy, edited here
. (User My Final Edits actually took notice of this and reverted the edit
, while once again attempting to guide Emerald Source to the TDID.)
But what's perhaps even more concerning is their edits to trope descriptions that add or remove to it's meaning, thus changing it's identity as a whole. Again, these are all done without discussion or edit reasons, despite having been sent a notifier:
- Changing the description of Stylistic Suck such that the trope has three different variants of itself [1]
- Narrowed down Everyone's Baby Sister to be specifically about a villain kidnapping a character who looks helpless, rather than the villain simply threatening a certain character type (no mention of physical appearance). [2]
- Outright changing the requirement for Cowboy BeBop at His Computer such that it can no longer apply to works getting details wrong, and is instead restricted to news reports, reviews, and promotional materials getting things wrong. [3]
All of this doesn't even mention the fact that their edit in Ms. Fanservice uses the word "females" to refer to women, and replaces a mention of "straight men" to just "men", even though the distinction of the sexual attraction is important in that context. These by themselves seem like red flags, and leads me to believe that sending another notifer would be like talking to a brick wall.
resolved Colonel-Knight-Rider and The Super Mario Bros. Movie Hate
Okay, so a certain troper, Colonel-Knight-Rider, has been adding multiple They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character entries on the YMMV section of The Super Mario Bros. Movie and one of them especially stuck out to me as being especially nitpicky.
- Spike. His only reason for being in the movie is to drive home the point further that Mario and Luigi hated their old jobs, whatever they were, hence their plumbing business; and that they've received unjust derision for their ambitions, which they've already received repeatedly from their father. Beyond that, he does nothing to help or hinder Mario's quest to save Luigi. And, during the final battle, pretty much all Spike does is notice Bowser's castle popping up in Brooklyn before fleeing from the unusual sight. If Spike disappeared from the movie, the Mario Bros. would still undergo the same character arc of trying to win their father's approval. (By contrast, the activities of what many consider to be his 1993 movie counterpart Anthony Scapelli kickstart the Bros.' whole interdimensional adventure!)
Ignoring the fact that Spike's whole point in the movie is to be a minor character, he actually does impact the plot in some way by being one of the main reasons for why Mario feels so "small" and "insignificant" to everyone and adding to Mario's motivation of wanting to feel more important, which is what motivates him to fix a flooding in Brooklyn and therefore leads him and Luigi to the Mushroom Kingdom and the Dark Lands respectively and the rest is history. Also some weird 1993 movie glazing because Vindicated by History I guess.
Also the troper who added this, Colonel-Knight-Rider, seemingly has a serious vendetta and hatred towards this movie as they have been adding constant negative examples and downright complainy edits at times to their examples in this movie's YMMV section (with them also citing a random YouTuber, The Little Platoon, who gave a negative review towards the movie in many of their YMMV edits and examples for some reason)
This is their edit about said YouTuber in the Awesome Music section for some reason.
- While YouTube commentator The Little Platoon argued that the movie wasted a lot of opportunities to do something original with its source material to create a unique experience one couldn't get from just playing a game, he, too, stated that he enjoyed Tyler's score, citing it as the most redeeming aspect of the film by balancing the familiar with the new.
This is their edit about said YouTuber again on the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot section.
- Another complaint among fans, particularly YouTube commentators such as The Little Platoon, is that the movie wasted its potential to do something more with its references besides simply showing them to appeal to nostalgia for the games—specifically, to use them to build a more complex and intricate world with them and develop the main and supporting cast more, as well as to take time to introduce the characters and the world they inhabit to people who might not know who they are (sure, Mario and Luigi are pretty well-known even in non-fan circles, but not as many non-fans know who Peach, Bowser, Toad, Kamek, etc. are), in a manner similar to how the Marvel Cinematic Universe introduced its characters to non-Marvel Comics fans and expanded the Marvel fanbase as a result.
All of this implies a possible case of Single-Issue Wonk is at foot here. For example, this is a Kong section that they added to the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character section with an especially complainy part at the end that was edited out by another troper.
- The Kongs themselves. Even if Peach had never taken Mario and Toad to the Jungle Kingdom, Mario still would have trained more to learn how different power-ups work and how to navigate different obstacles, used the power-ups to be a One-Man Army and save Luigi and the other hostages, accidentally transported the principle players and Bowser's castle to Brooklyn, gotten a hold of the Super Star, and saved the day, just like he does in the final cut. In that sense, the Kongs, like a lot of stuff in this movie, were added solely for nostalgic appeal and contribute nothing to the outcome of the story whatsoever.
This is not the first time they’ve done this too. They did this before on January this year as well with just as much of an egregiously complainy addition at the end as well. I deleted this one myself because of how egregiously complainy it was as well as giving reasons as to why the Kongs were necessary to the plot of the movie.
- The Kongs. With or without them, Mario still would've trained to perfection (and likely learned more about how powerups work, so he'd know which to use to save the prisoners himself without Donkey Kong's strength) rescued Luigi, created a dimensional merge with the Bomber Bill, and saved the day with the Super Star, just like he did. Effectively, with the Bros. being a one- (or two-) man army, Peach didn't need help from the Kongs at all, but they were clearly included nonetheless to pad out the runtime and for nostalgic appeal, as were a fair bit of things in this movie.
I tried DMing them to stop with their seemingly Single-Issue Wonk behavior regarding this movie and they did at first adjust and edit their Kong example to be more fair and less complainy as shown here:
- The Kongs, at least those excluding Donkey Kong. Even if Peach had never taken Mario and Toad to the Jungle Kingdom, Mario still would have trained more to learn how different power-ups work and how to navigate different obstacles, used the power-ups to be a One-Man Army and save Luigi and the other hostages (possibly with a strength-granting power-up like the Mega Mushroom), accidentally transported the principle players and Bowser's castle to Brooklyn, gotten a hold of the Super Star, and saved the day, just like he does in the final cut. All while not being eaten by the Maw-Ray as a result of never traveling by Kong-made Karts. Although it could be counter-argued that DK's strength is necessary to hoist the prisoners to freedom, with the prospect of saving his species as his motive, the rest of the Kongs don't really get a chance to do what they were hired for after that and fight against Bowser's forces.
and I thought they had stopped altogether, but they have since then continued to add more negative examples like the "Spike" one as well as a So Okay, It's Average example towards the movie as well.
- In the view of professional and amateur critics alike, while the movie succeeds in avoiding Illumination's usual film structure and offers some impressive animation, orchestral scoring, and obvious passion for the source material, it doesn't offer much else beyond that. So, it's a fun, harmless means of escapism Mario fans of all ages with a good few memorable action sequences, and it took a labor of love to create every piece of eye and ear candy, but those expecting to see groundbreaking plot development, complex character dynamics, and meta-humor on par with those of The LEGO Movie or Barbie shouldn't get their hopes up high.
This is an Ass Pull entry that they added on January this year that I deleted for reasons explaining how it’s not an Ass Pull.
- Toad is somehow able to smuggle an ice flower into Peach's wedding bouquet so she can use it to freeze Bowser despite the movie not showing how he got it, let alone in a giant floating castle island made of volcanic rock.
I went to the They Wasted A Perfectly Good Cleanup forum
and they gave me permission to delete their They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character entries so I already took care of those.
Is there anything we should do about the others?
Edited by Fireball246resolved An assortment of editing issues and potential rape apologia
Marianabelle is more-or-less solely responsible for creating and editing Without Her Consent and its associated subpages. They have also displayed quite a few issues when editing the subpages of this work alone, including poor spelling and grammar, trope misuse, putting non-YMMV tropes on the YMMV page, and more.
What changed my train of thought from "They really need notifiers sent to them" to "This really should be reported on ATT" was the content of their edits, particularly on the YMMV page. A (likely unapproved) Complete Monster entry that is somehow combined with Freudian Excuse (which they even made a separate entry for), a Jerks Are Worse Than Villains entry that suggests that a selfish Manchild is more loathed by the audience than a Serial Rapist, and more (and this is just on the YMMV page). I felt the need to bring this up because things like a Complete Monster entry for a Serial Rapist that starts with "Doubles as Freudian Excuse" pushes the page too far into rape apologia territory.
And then there's the Fridge and WMG entries that push the narrative that the Serial Rapist will still get away in the end by somehow winning a court case despite being found guilty of rape, even going so far as to say that he will sue the police for negligence and somehow win. Further still, there's graphic detail in the Headscratchers section theorizing as to how the rape scene was "supposed" to play out and meta headscratchers that go way too far into ROCEJ territory.
Edited by UFOYeahresolved Troper continuing to be uncooperative/edit wars/downright rudeness
As mentioned in a previous ATT thread
, Slothed has a habit of complaining and doubling down on their complaints when called out on them, even being hostile towards me and other tropers (to the point that the ATT thread in question had to be locked). Today, I sent them a ROCEJ notifier for an edit
where they not only referred to multiple real-life content creators as if they were fictional characters, but calling them "toxic", "narcissistic", etc., which is quite a ROCEJ violation. Not only that, I reported
the page in question for being a ROCEJ nightmare (to which the other tropers on the thread largely agreed with me), and I even sent the other tropers who made similar edits on the page notifiers to show I wasn't singling anyone out.
Just now, Slothed has sent a reply not unlike the one they sent me for the previous notifier I sent weeks ago, in addition to doubling down on their edit again, they continued to be hostile towards me, saying that I'll "just accuse them of rudeness again", even though their edits and replies to notifiers certainly don't help matters.
And now they're edit warring
, accusing me of bias for deleting an edit of theirs
that was full of complaining (it began with "Notoriously and ridiculously used to extreme levels") and argues with itself (the other half of the edit began with "However, considering that...").
resolved Easily Forgiven, now complaining magnet.
Easily Forgiven was recently made YMMV, and it's now attracting a lot of complainy edits (despite cleanup saying they should be neutral
) that seem redundant with Unintentionally Unsympathetic (worse, UU without explaining why their forgiveness wasn't seen as earned as intended) and other issues reading as bashing forgivenesses they don't like rather than why it came of as (too) easy. Some examples.
- Steven Universe: This was how the fandom saw the resolution to the original series with the Diamond Authority's "redemption". Most people expected Blue to be redeemed, but were critical on Yellow and especially White, as due to executive restraints, the pacing of the final few episodes made the ending resolution feel rushed. This is mitigated by the movie and sequel mini-series showing that just because Steven solved matters peacefully with the Diamonds doesn't mean he forgave them for their horrible actions and the three of them (mainly White) still hold a few of their toxic mindsets, but for many fans this was not nearly enough and they should have stayed villains to the end. Would be valid but doesn't explain what they did for those unfamiliar with the work. Also said movie was in production before fan complaints so not an after the fact fix, so if they weren't as easily forgiven as first implied is it not/no longer an example? (YMMV cannot be subverted or played with).
- Jedi Academy Trilogy: The New Republic decides to place the fate of Kyp Durron, who, under the influence of the ghost of the Sith Lord Exar Kun, had first assaulted his master Luke Skywalker, then stolen an Imperial superweapon and blown up an entire star system, in the hands of Luke himself. Luke chooses to forgive Kyp and welcome him back into the Jedi Order. This proved extremely controversial in the Star Wars Legends, fandom, which was reflected in later works: In the P.O.V. Sequel I, Jedi, Corran Horn rage quits the order over it, while a story in Tales from the New Republic portrayed Kyp as The Atoner. Other readers suspect that the New Republic considered the population of Carida to be Asshole Victims since it was an Imperial system whose governor had just attempted to assassinate Chief of State Mon Mothma with Grey Goo and then kidnap the infant Anakin Solo, and Kyp had subsequently helped win the books' final battle for the New Republic after Exar Kun was destroyed, so they weren't that inclined to prosecute him. Argues with itself noting there were those who though otherwise/mitigating context. If it explain why critics felt this wasn't enough, would it be redundant with UU?
- WandaVision: Many fans criticized Wanda for being this at the end of the series. With her having kidnapped an entire town and forcing them to play roles in her weird meltdown, including not letting some of them see their children. And after beating Agatha, Wanda suffers no consequences for MindRaping the people of Westview beyond being shunned by them and simply leaves to live a relatively peaceful life of solitude and self-discovery. Making her seem less like a grieving victim and more like an insane, sociopathic Karma Houdini who should've been thrown in prison or received some kind of punishment instead. Deleted this as she was not forgiven, Westview was noted justifiably still hated her. Even if EF was just getting off light (the TRS said it still requires in-universe forgiveness), this seem to be getting bashy. This is the kind of ill-faith edits being attracted.
- Detractors of Elsa in Frozen cited this trope as one of the criticisms levied against her. While it was already implausible enough for Anna to forgive her so easily after being shut out for so long, even more implausible is the fact that the entire citizens of Arendelle happily accepts her as their queen in spite of accidentally unleashing the Endless Winter that followed beforehand especially considering that unlike Anna who believed and eventually vindicated that she didn't mean to do so (and we the viewers know that she didn't even realize this until Anna pointed it out), they have no reason to believe that it was an accident (especially given how reclusive she was prior to her coronation) so the fact that they welcome someone who in their eyes, intentionally unleashed an Eternal Winter upon their land and abandoned them to their fates rubbed them the wrong way with fans citing this as another example as to why Elsa would have worked better if she actually freezes the kingdom on purpose. Notes it's just detractors. Character extreme popularity means it's likely not a widespread opinion.
- The Owl House: Even though Eda and Luz both make a point to not forgive Lilith straight away for her actions in the Season Finale with the latter doing her best to make amends, there are a number of fans who still think they let her off way too easily for cursing Eda, keeping her in the dark for 30 years and trying to forcibly abduct her into the Emperor's Coven as well as using Luz as a Human Shield in order to let her guard down with her redeeming actions being to help Luz save Eda and sharing the latter's curse not being enough to make up for it. Besides noting she wasn't forgiven until they did all this redeeming stuff and arguably not even then, doesn't explain why critics found it insufficient to redeem them as intended (UU needs that level of objectivity). This could be worked into a valid example, but comes of as Never Live It Down without the requirement (why fans exaggerate/ignore mitigating context) that keeps it from pure complaining/bashing.
I've asked the EG TRS
about coming of as redundant with UU, but it's coming along so slowly I feel the need to bring to attention what I find a disturbing amount of toxicity, lacking the constructiveness/objectiveness that makes other negative audience reaction item valid, for something that while contentious isn't supposed to be a inherently negative reaction, and seems overly complainy even if it was.
resolved Misclassified as American series
@SpongeBobFan2005 keeps adding Strawberry Shortcake: Berry in the Big City to AmericanSeries.Animation, even though BITBC is exclusively made in Canada. I tried explaining this to him multiple times, but he keeps adding it with the flimsy excuse of “it was put on Youtube/Netflix which are American”. I already let myself get dragged into an edit war with him and I’m not doing it again, so can someone tell me what to do about this?
Edited by BlueBlazesresolved Massive unilateral changes to two UsefulNotes pages
Troper/Renangtry has gone and rewritten vast chunks of UsefulNotes.Aboriginal Australians and UsefulNotes.First Australians to 'address racism and inaccurate information'. Now, while I don't disagree that both pages were due a clean-up (and indeed some of the information provided is new), and I also agree that the best place to learn about Australia's First Nations is from sources with First Nations input, they've not only basically rewritten two pages unilaterally, they've also gone and deleted quite a bit of historical information (mainly regarding the historical treatment of Aboriginal Australians by colonists as well as the various colonial governments) in the process. Furthermore, the fact that they've only got a grand total of 4 edits made over the span of a single day on both pages is suspect in of itself. What would be the best solution here?
resolved Mebrouk is writing ROCEJ violations... again
I found this
on Scenery Gorn's Real Life page, calling the Gaza strip scenery gorn and calling Nehtanyahu a genocidal monster. I recognized that this was Mebrouk, the same guy from the Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters image debacle in May that ended with that trope getting NRLEP'd. Looks like he's back to his old tricks - he added Aaron Bushnell's suicide note
to the Self-Immolation quotes page, and, while not Hamas related, an iffy example
on No-Holds-Barred Beatdown Real Life.
resolved Reporting an Edit War on the ymmv page of Fire Emblem: Three Houses
User Lord Twibill
appears to be attempting an edit war on the YMMV page of Fire Emblem: Three Houses
.
Back in late July they added an example of the game having a broken aesop. I believed their example as-written didn't satisfy the standards of a broken aesop (for one, I don't believe it breaks the aesop at all), so I deleted it, explaining my reasons why in the edit reason.
In response they sent me a VERY long private message explaining their viewpoint, but I got the impression them and I had an irreconcilable interpretation of the game (for one, they view all the characters as being horrible people when without the influence of the player avatar) and that attempting to discuss it over private messages would be a waste of time, so I encouraged them instead to bring it up to public discussion to get more viewpoints than just our own.
They did not do this, and yesterday sent me another pm asking for further discussion. This time I outright told them I thought our reads were irreconcilable and reiterated they should publicly raise a discussion to see how others felt. I then went on to disagree with some of their own interpretations of Fire Emblem: Fates. I criticized the game's morality quite harshly, but I avoided criticizing Lord Twibill themself.
In response to that, they sent me a pair of rather insulting and threatening pms, telling me I was being childish and that they were going to just re-add the example whether I liked it or not, and then threatened me not to delete it again or they'd bring the mods into it. At no point did I find any evidence that Lord Twibill raised a discussion on the accuracy of the example, so I decided to bring the situation up to folks here before things could get any more out of hand.
Edited by Raxisresolved Heavy-handed "badge of honor" troping Live Action TV
rr3elite appears to have a major Single-Issue Wonk focused on showing off the villainy of the character Zein from Kamen Rider Outsiders and their appearances in other Kamen Rider media, including this week's episode of Kamen Rider Gotchard. I initially reported them on ATT before
for shoehorning in Fan Myopia-laden comparisons to other works through misuse of various tropes, but it is now clear that was a symptom of a much bigger wonk, mostly afflicting Zein's sheet, the page for Outsiders itself, and various pages for Gotchard (YMMV, antagonists sheet, Nightmare Fuel, #33's recap) where Zein's appearance is concerned.
I haven't sent any notifiers because there's too many offending edits to comb through, but a lot of their edits consist of what they have previously been reported for, plus Bold Inflation, countless sentence structure and grammar errors, and "look at how horrible this person is" examples that stretch Zein's villainynote it is a sapient AI that has placed the world into an authoritarian surveillance state with the intent of mass genocide and has manipulated the heroes into giving it its resources, but I would hesitate to call a lot of its actions deliberately symbolic or nuanced beyond face value.. They also added Speculative Troping examples to Gotchard #33's recap suggesting Zein would have had a darker and more dramatic role in the episode, when in reality he only appears to kill one of the unambiguously-evil villains in the episode and leaves just as quickly to promote Outsiders.
I'm not sure if this is a policy violation in its own right, but I cannot deny in good faith that it is starting to compromise their writing and thus the quality of the pages they are editing.
EDIT: The issue has persisted despite previous mod notifiers and acknowledgement of behavior. More information in comments.
EDIT 2: There are still issues coming from this troper despite the above. As before, more information in comments.
Edited by TrocyteVresolved Ban Evader Concern?
Okay, so I'm not 100% certain on this, but the red flags are becoming way too hard to ignore. I think Planet Of The Primates may be Amour Le Fou because:
- They've resurrected Cartoon Monkey
, a TLP draft Amour was very interested in.
- They've resurrected Amour's "Stock Cartoon Animal Depictions
" draft, which was extremely contentious.
All that was just sort of coincidental though. What really gets me worried is their very similar edit histories. They frequent a lot of the same trope and work pages. Comparing their edit history is downright uncanny. It's the same deal with their forum history — they play the same games (which in and of itself wouldn't be incriminating, but on top of everything...)
So, that's the rub. If a mod could look into this, I'd appreciate that.
resolved Troper camping on the Sonic Adventure 2 pages. Videogame
Troper L Fisher has been cutting multiple edits that portray GUN (one of the antagonists of Sonic Adventure 2) exactly as negatively as the game itself does, and making edits that partially exonerate them for committing mass murder ("but the Black Arms!"); they also tend to cut any mention that GUN was implied to be framing Sonic. While all this has been going on for a while, my personal last straw was them doing both of these recently, reducing the "Frame-Up" entry to a single sentence that isn't even accurate (Shadow didn't frame Sonic, at least not intentionally).
Not only is it extremely difficult to make edits about GUN on these pages, but I feel that this is treading uncomfortably close to apologia for real-world atrocities.
resolved Edit war prevention for a problematic edit Film
madorosh removed
this example from Lady Ballers
- Broken Aesop: While a common conservative justification for the type of transphobia seen in Lady Ballers is to protect women's spaces, the film also promotes the idea that women are always physically inferior to men including at sports, which is both misogynistic and condescending and undermines the alleged "pro-woman" bent.
with the edit reason: "doesn't make sense, the characters in the film mention the biological fact that men have specific advantages over women, which in general is true. Not sure what 'transphobia' is being displayed - everything in the film is played for laughs"
I don't wanna cause an edit war, but the example was valid. The film tries to present itself as pro-women but the film very much plays on the supposed belief that men, even the weakest men apparently who are out of shape and washed out and haven't exercised in years, are more physically abled and skilled at sports than the most trained female athletes. Which very much does go against the film's supposed "feminist" message.
Again, I want to cause no edit war so I brought it here.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2resolved User deleting anything related to the so-called "Soulsborne" continuity
Reginald Ogron 5 for the last couple months, against many other people has been deleting anything that regards FromSoftware as having a series in a loose continuity. Whether that be for Mythology Gag, or Spiritual Successor, or just a reference to a level in another Souls game.
This was their latest justification for a Fan Nickname entry: "Due to this game's legacy, many terms and mechanics that were translated over but retained the same identity are often referred to with their previous names. Therefore, Runes are still frequently called Souls, Sites of Grace are still bonfires, Incantations are Miracles, etc."
"Dark Souls is not Elden Ring's predecessor. I have never seen any of these terms used intentionally as a Fan Nickname, they are almost exclusively used by people who don't care about the lore enough to use the correct terms, I.E. they're just getting it wrong unintentionally."
Despite the fact the director has declared them to be in a sort of series.
He references Elden Ring in this context of "loose" continuity.
When he tried to remove the many concepts from old games that didn't make it in, but were used in Elden Ring on the trivia page, someone wrote this.
"Tropes Are Flexible and the page explanation itself explicitly says it allows for instances of recycled assets and concepts in dlc and the like. Elden Ring was advertised as a Spiritual Successor / "greatest hits" amalgamation of all the prior Soulsborne games, made by the same devs, and uses code and models that are directly lifted from the cut content of those prior entries, it absolutely falls under this umbrella."
I believe he's gone way too far, but before I revert his edits, I want to ask everyone's opinion on this question of Mythology Gag, and see whether it's actually against the site's rules?
Edited by smogmonsterresolved HuniepopCompletionist
Huniepop Completionist has a habit of adding ROCEJ-breaking edits to pages, multiple of them having been brought up in the ROCEJ cleanup thread. One of them was a Hindsight shoehorn that amounted to "The cameo by [creator] can come across as this after their later transgressions"...but on overdrive. Even after I sent notifiers, they replied back to me today about the edit in an aggressive manner, accusing me of being wrong and not understanding the trope. I'll post the HIH entry here and let you decide if it breaks ROCEJ or not. This is from Primeval:
- The cameo by wildlife documentary host Nigel Marven in season 3: episode 4 can come across as mean spirited when in a 2025 youtube interview
Nigel cited Primeval's fall season airdate as the reason for the cancellation of Prehistoric Park which Nigel starred in.note Prehistoric Park aired in the summer in the UK which meant that children who were most likely to watch it were outside instead of inside watching tv. The show did have amazing DVD sales and was a hit overseas, but that was after it's cancellation While Nigel didn't hold any ill will towards Primeval, the cameo now comes across as a bit childish and mean as in it Nigel portrays a Jerkass TV reporter and is killed off, with it heavily being implied that the reporter is meant to be a direct caricature of Nigel himself. As if the show is gloating about ending his series and implying he's secretly a jerk off camera.
Also the rest of their edit history
and reports of there edits in the cleanup thread
for good measure.
resolved Troper page with heavy self-deprecation and even suicidal indentation
Smolidk's troper page is...rather worrying. It opens with "Kill me", and includes entries about the troper in question like Abusive Parents, Angst? What Angst?, Asshole Victim, an inverted case of Beautiful Sexual Assault Victim where they call themselves "absolutely hideous", and more (with one standout entry being "Death Seeker: Kill me pls").
Wasn't there a recently-passed rule that this sort of thing wasn't allowed on people's troper pages anymore because we here at TVT are not trained mental health professionals (which was also discussed here
)?
resolved Cutting Oddity RPG pages Videogame
Folks, it's time to face facts: Oddity is never coming out. It's been five years since the initial announcement trailer with no major updates afterwards, over 17 years since the project started development as Mother 4, and the hype for this game has all but dried up. Since all of the Mother 4 pre-release material has been made obsolete and mostly deleted from the internet, we only have one trailer and a Twitter page that is barely updated to go off of.
When I did a second clean-up (the first clean-up was mostly to remove gushing) removing anything that went off of outdated (pre-rebrand) material or Word of God (which isn't allowed), there was barely anything left. On the Characters page alone, many of the folders were blank and that was before I touched them.
Also worth noting that there were a ton of commented out examples on the Characters page which I removed (there were also a bunch on the main page too before I cut those during my first clean-up). Commenting out examples on an unreleased work in anticipation for the work's release is also not allowed.
Yes, there is gameplay footage in the trailer but it barely tells us anything other than "it's a Mother-inspired RPG." Not much of a premise, and certainly not enough to warrant a page, especially when no information regarding the story, setting, and characters have been revealed afterwards. Literally the only information we have about the setting is "It takes place in a small town in 70s America." There are ten tropes on the main page but half of them are about the Modern Mind enemy instead of the game itself or the overall setting of the game. There's no release date, and at this rate there never will be.
Taking all of this into account I feel there is no longer a viable work page. I propose a cut of Oddity's pages and the material in Oddity's main page be moved to Release Date-Less Work Descriptions in the event the game does get a release.
Edited by supernintendo128

mrluntishysterical removed
the Cross-Dressing Voices entry on Trivia.SuperMarioBrosWonder, citing that Giselle Fernandez is "biologically female", though Giselle themself is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns.
I reverted the entry already and sent them a notifier before writing this query, but I have a feeling this may turn into a possible agenda in the long run.