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resolved Plot Hole page for Ranma 1/2? Anime
I love Ranma ½, but the series was clearly an episodic comedy that Takahashi was making it up as she goes along, and it shows, because there's quite a few times when the story doesn't make sense or contradicts itself - three major examples are how Ranma is perfectly happy to go back to China in the first 2 chapters, but Shampoo's intro reveals he left China partially to escape Shampoo; how Ranma goes from wanting to investigate potential cures in those same chapters, only for everybody to know that the Nanniichuan can cure Ranma and the other guys like him in the Instant Nanniichuan story; and of course the Instant Nanniichuan temporarily curing Ranma and Genma, but Taro being able to upgrade his curse with water from the Jusenkyo Spring of Drowned Octopus.
But... the Plot Hole page notes that it's a No Examples trope. Does that just mean no adding examples to that page, or does it mean that a Plot Hole page for Ranma 1/2 is forbidden as well?
resolved TRS crowner
There is an open crowner for If You Call Before Midnight Tonight, It Works Itself, andForYourPeopleByYourPeople at the Trope Repair Shop. Click here
if you'd like to join the discussion.
resolved About Mickey Mouse's non-Disney works... Western Animation
Hey! It's me again with yet another Mickey question
!
So in the franchise page for Mickey Mouse, there's a section about non-Disney works, which are about derivative works made after (the 1928 versions of) the mouse became public domain. The page itself indexes the Disney-made works over the non-Disney ones (which I completely understand and I support for them to still being the only ones indexed there), but since there are now many non-Disney Mickey works that have pages (Mickey's Mouse Trap, The Vanishing of S.S. Willie, Captain Willie, Infestation: Origins, Inverse Ninjas VS. The Public Domain, Mousetrapped and the many pre-2024 works that feature Mickey's 1928 designs, such as Suicide Mouse and Mickey Mouse in Vietnam), should we make a separate page for them to be indexed so it would be easier to search for and find them in other pages instead of going to the "Related" tab in each of the works' pages and then go to Mickey's franchise page to search for one work? Maybe something like Non-Disney Works/Mickey Mouse, or something?
Edited by UzarNaimBer15resolved Edit war on MyRealDaddy.WesternAnimation
There seems to be an
edit
war
over
the inclusion of the following paragraph on MyRealDaddy.Western Animation:
- Ever want to get a bunch of Gargoyles fans riled up? Just bring up the idea that Greg Weisman isn't really the show's creator — Michael Reaves is. They'll go utterly off-the-deep-end bananas (as they have on this site) — even though the show in fact has no official "created by" credit, and the topic is hotly debated within the screenwriting community. Of course, Weisman is undoubtedly the show's post-series biggest booster, and pitched an early goofy comic version of Gargoyles that's unrecognizable compared to the finished show. However, Reaves actually wrote the series' first five episodes that set everything up, and most of the series' subsequent high points. (Weisman himself did not receive a writing credit on any episode until the dire spin-off/continuation Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles.) In fact, virtually everything that people remember and enjoy about Gargoyles was Reaves' work. Wiseman, meanwhile, who genuinely did love Gargoyles and was involved on the production end from the get-go (and did give notes on Reaves' work and participate in story meetings), hyped himself as the show's creator at every opportunity. Reaves also labelled himself as a co-creator of the show, but in a much more low-key way. The reality is much more complex — and Weisman's role is unquestionably a crucial one — but under Writers Guild practices, Reaves would be credited as the creator of Gargoyles, and Wiseman (with no writing credits whatsoever on the original 65-episode run) would have no claim to a creator credit. (Non-prime-time animation, however, is not covered by the Guild.).
Note that I haven't seen the show myself, so I don't have any insight over whether the example is valid.
The involved parties are Demona Fan X and breadalbane.
Edited by costanton11resolved Cold Duke of the North trope? Literature
Since really getting into Korean webtoons in the last two years, there's a certain character archetype that shows up in like 90% of romantic fantasy novels and I'm surprised it isn't here yet so maybe I've just missed it. Its become so common that people have even made jokes memes about him and different series have started calling the trope out even when playing it straight.
That man is the Cold Duke of the North! He has short black hair cut, red or blue eyes (and if they're red its distinct to either himself or his family), and a love for black clothing with bits of jewelry hanging off. He is also known for being an *incredibly* well-built hunk of man meat and yes we the reader will always see him with his shirt undone or off at some point to make sure we know how stacked he is. Despite appearing emotionless to everyone around him, his heart will thaw usually on first sight when he sees our lovely lady protagonist, who he will remark is "interesting." The guy has a tragic past and a reputation as a cold-hearted butcher of the battlefield, and his northern domain is akin to Winterfell in both temperature and regular monster invasions which he has take point in fending off for the rest of the Empire. His cold demeanor means a significant chunk of the story involves communication problems in the central relationship with the female lead that any normal person could resolve through a five second conversation. Also it means the vast majority of stories starring one of these fellows as the male romantic lead features a contract relationship at the center of it that everyone thinks the female lead is bonkers for entering into because of his fearsome reputation.
Do we not have this a trope that already covers this specific main character archetype?
resolved Is it a free action to adopt or overhaul "abandoned" works?
What does one do when a page looked like it was edited by only one troper all throughout its edit history, but said troper doesn't seem to be active anymore, thus the page became abandoned and it's likely difficult to PM that troper for permission or questions due to their inactivity... Can another troper easily "adopt" it or "take over" in editing it significantly to the point where it results in a massive overhaul? Or do I still need to ask specific forums? I'm making this ATT just to be safe.
Specifically, I'd like to add a lot of tropes, examples, or content to a Chinese visual novel titled The Hungry Lamb. Unfortunately, the current TV Tropes page covering it (VisualNovel.Epiao Ming Mo Qianli Xing), has a lot of issues currently (such as the page not using the official English localization, improper formatting, and most importantly, it's currently a stub and still unindexed). Right now, I want to salvage that page instead of letting it be sent to the cutlist for being a stub.
Looking at the edit history
(or its grand total of two edits, specifically), it was only troper Georgankar who made and edited the page, but their last activity on this wiki was 7 weeks ago
.
Initially, I would've wanted to PM Georgankar saying that the Visual Novel's TV Tropes page they created needs several fixes, but at some point, I'm also unsure if it's just better to do all the fixing myself, which includes trying to pass it through the English Localization Cleanup
thread.
Apart from VisualNovel.Epiao Ming Mo Qianli Xing, I had a lot of free time yesterday and found out other works and pages (mostly Referenced by… subpages) that also seemed to be abandoned now but were previously edited by mostly just one troper. Edited by DanteVin
resolved where to send page that has improper capitalization
Sorry, been a while since I've been here + I've in general been tired, thought it would just be easier to go to ATT to ask where to send something to be fixed.
Found this page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheShowStoppers
and made a couple edits to it (hid zces, fixed wording in some places, added punctuation) but the capitalization of the page itself shows up wrong (shows up as The Show stoppers rather than The Show Stoppers.) Where do I go to get that fixed? Thanks
resolved Dramatic Irony requiring knowledge from supplemental materials?
I found a Dramatic Irony entry on one of the Cyberpunk 2077 characters' subpages, related to Adam Smasher, the final boss. Explaining the entry would be complex and full of spoilers, but in summary the entry explains the character says a line which implies he doesn't know something about himself which is explained in Cyberpunk: Edgerunners Mission Kit. Cyberpunk: Edgerunners Mission Kit is an add-on for the Cyberpunk RED tabletop RPG which serves to connect Cyberpunk RED, the Cyberpunk: Edgerunners anime (itself a Cyberpunk 2077 prequel), and Cyberpunk 2077.
Dramatic Irony is about situations where the audience knows something an in-univers character doesn't. My issue is: since this is technically another work, does it qualify? Not to mention the players of the videogame need to also have played a prequel tabletop RPG, which itself is another prequel's sequel, and I'm not sure most 2077 players would also have played the RPG (videogames and tabletop RPGs don't exactly have the same player base). And last, said RPG add-on was released months after the last major Cyberpunk 2077 patch. For all those reasons, a non-negligible part of Cyberpunk 2077 audience probably didn't get the information needed to notice the Dramatic Irony.
In general, does it count as Dramatic Irony if the audience must know other parts of the extended universe (especially since they are another medium) to notice it? Is it really Dramatic Irony if you must know about the whole extended universe to get it is supposed to be Dramatic Irony?
Edited by Psychopompos007resolved Jump Scare Video Example
One of the policies for the Jump Scare trope is that no video examples of it are allowed. Someone accepted a video of it, apparently. Same thing happened with the Potty Failure trope a while back.
Could one of the mods remove the trope link from the video itself?
Edited by HarmonyBunny2000resolved NRLEP with page.
The Real Life page for Mercy Kill exists, although last I checked, it was listed as NRLEP. It just isn't linked to on the main page itself anymore. Was this an oversight?
resolved (Danganronpa SPOILERS) Is this a misuse of DoomedByCanon?
This folder is from the prequel work's character page.
- Prequel: Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak High School: Despair Arc
- Present: Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc
I changed Doomed by Canon to Saved by Canon (the following character got killed in Trigger Happy Havoc, not the prequel anime), but then another troper re-added Doomed By Canon.
Mukuro Ikusaba
- Doomed by Canon: Junko kills her in Chapter 1 of Trigger Happy Havoc while she's masquerading as Junko herself.
- Saved by Canon: Since she's one of participants of the second killing game (while disguising as Junko), this is a given.
resolved Too Fanon for Ambiguously Related?
Under Characters.Metroid The Metroids, this was added to Metroid Prime/Dark Samus's Ambiguously Related entry.
- There are theories that Metroid Prime started off as a Phazon Metroid, allowing it to slipping through the seal as they are known to slip through reality, though this itself is a stretch considering Samus didn't encounter any Phazon Metroids on Tallon IV.
Is this too much into fan speculation for a non-YMMV? Or is it allowable given the speculative nature of this trope? (Note their Metroid relation is a mess of conflicting continuity and retcons.)
resolved Cerebus Syndrome - does it require the work to be clearly nonserious? Western Animation
I looked under Cerebus Syndrome, and I see both Amphibia and The Owl House listed.
The Owl House started out semi-story-based, in that it was episodic but still told stories, and still took itself somewhat seriously (in that the stories were somewhat serious and there was clear worldbuilding) but had comedy. Then things ramped up near the end of season 1.
Amphibia, meanwhile, was more about random adventures, with more story in season 2, then it ramped up with Marcy's "death" at the end of season 2.
To me, these are very different things entirely. One was somewhat story-based but went to full continuing storylines. The other one was more random adventures but then jumped to having more lore and backstory, then suddenly turned dark all at once.
Looking through I see other examples that I feel aren't totally that trope. Like, there are shows that simply went from having no continuity to having continuity (a show called The Raccoons). That's not the same thing as "goes from silly random comedy to suddenly dark."
Does this trope need cleanup? Am I misunderstanding what it's about? Does it need a new description, or something to make it much more clear what is and isn't an example of Cerebus Syndrome?
Local Odd Squad Connoisseur
resolved Question about troping upcoming material
So recently the Instagram account of one of the actors on Odd Squad UK posted a filming wrapup video that includes a few spoilers for an upcoming Season 2. It's public so it wouldn't fall under Content Leak, but I just want to confirm if the stuff in that video is okay to trope or not — the season itself was publicly announced to be in production a while back but there's no release window or date set for it yet.
Edited by ilovewildkratts1resolved Permission to revert edit without conducting Edit War. Webcomic
On May 31st
, TF Razorsaw moved the character folder for "Zenith" from Digimon Liberator from the "Debugging Team" section to the "Other" section, with the edit reason "Zenith is not part of the debugging team, he was a Guest-Star Party Member."
I shortly after contacted them via PM and pointed out that, as stated on the official website, Zenith is part of the Debugging Team.
resolved Do moments from trailers/advertising count as shocking moments?
On the Shocking Moments page and various YMMV pages, there are numerous examples for Shocking Moments related to moments from the marketing / trailers (e.g., the reveal of an Unexpected Character or plot beat that took fans off guard), but on the former page itself, it says that:
Keep in mind that meta examples aren't allowed in moments pages. Moments are for things that happen within a work. Things pertaining to the creators, the work's development or the work's critical and commercial reception, while you may think are shocking and we might agree, are outside the scope of this audience reaction. [sic]
So my question is, do moments from trailers/advertising fall into the "within a work" status or are they considered meta examples, since they're from the work's marketing rather than within the actual work itself?
Edited by Tylerbear12resolved How do I link Metamorphosis as trope on another page?
When I try to add Metamorphosis as an example of a trope for a certain work it doesn't hyperlink to the main page. I put the asterisk, a space, then Metamorphosis with a colon after (see below), but it doesn't turn blue or hyperlink to trope itself.
- Metamorphosis:
resolved Questions about a problematic Nightmare Fuel page Videogame
NightmareFuel.Little Big Planet is currently only a one paragraph long page with incorrect grammar and citing user-made content as its nightmare fuel. I have a few questions about this.
- Just to be sure, can this page be cut for being a stub? I'm not sure how page length limits apply to Moments subpages. If so, I'll sent a notifier to the page creator and send the page to the cutlist if they don't respond or edit the page in a few days.
- Can user-generated content be used as examples on the main pages for the games they come from? LittleBigPlanet itself is a game that is heavily focued around its level editor, but it has its own story and levels outside of that, making it a game rather than a platform like Roblox.
resolved Trimming down wordy entry. Live Action TV
So there's this entry over at the Live-Action TV subpage for Overshadowed by Controversy that's just a Wall of Text. It has to do with the talk show Karamo. It reads as follows:
- Karamo was a talk show similar to Maury and wasn't really popular, but now it's remembered for when Tiktok Chef Pii of the infamous Pink Sauce brought on a critic and proceeded to insult and gaslight her for the entire segment without letting the woman really defend herself. Making things worse, Karamo stood by her side and condemned the critic as well, accusing her of ruining the woman's life and complaining for no reason. Pink Sauce is actually known for misleading information, the chef's incredible inexperience in sauce making, not knowing what the FDA stood for, and the fact many sauces have been delivered spoiled or damaged. The critic in question wasn't just complaining to complain, and it was clear there was either some miscommunication or no research at all here. Comments even brought up why they didn't bring on people who actually lied about what the sauce did to them compared to someone with legitimate critiques. The audience cheered on the chef as well, making the critic feel like a pariah, and even when she sadly had to concede and say this should make everyone think, Karamo threw it back on her and said it was her problem and her fault before ending the segment there. This backfired for everyone except the critic; Chef Pii's reputation sunk further, and Karamo was lambasted online for his poor research and gaslighting, with people accusing him of showing favoritism to black women guests over the white ones. This culminated in him leaving a nasty tweet online calling these critics haters before deleting it, and his show scrubbed the video itself from the internet, with reaction and commentary channels being the only evidence of what happened in that episode. Many comments on newer videos continually bring up that Karamo should apologize to the critic; he did eventually contact Ally, four months later, and he still showed no real remorse to gaslighting her and, as comments pointed out, the apology felt half assed and that he was simply saving face because people were still posting comments begging for him to apologize to Ally. He even seemed to use her own words against her. Karamo went from the helpful guy on Queer Eye to a gaslighter.
How should I trim this entry so that it's more readable?
Edited by ArielLightning

A couple days ago I did a batch image addition and upgrade to The Apothecary Diaries — Named Clans. After I was done, ~C Ray reverted the image for Lahan to the one they had previously uploaded.
- original
by C Ray
- quality upgrade
by myself
- CRay reverts to their version
Edited by StarSword