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resolved The flexibility of the words "Network" and "Executive"
Now, I know that the word "Creator" can mean more than just "the person who came up with the idea" and can include others such as actors. Can something similar happen with the words "Network" and "Executive"? Because it looks like some example think so.
For example, Trivia.Infinity Train Seeker Of Crocus has the trope Adored by the Network listed even though it is a fanfiction. So in this case the word "Network" does not refer to a traditional broadcasting company, but to the writers of the work. Trivia.A Thing Of Vikings includes the trope Executive Meddling, although it is also a fanfiction, so it uses the word "Executive", not to refer to the people on the administrative side of the project, but to the reviewers of the work (I would like to add that the author apparently ignored their meddling). This last trope even has a page dedicated to Fan Works
This all seems like a stretch, since fanfiction is self-published, so the author has absolute power over the work. In any case, the closest thing to a "Network" and "Executives" would be the mods and the people who run Archive of Our Own, the website where these works are made public.
Edited by SoyValdo7resolved Old Removal from Lode Runner Videogame
Hi, I was looking through the YMMV section of Lode Runner and noticed that one of the older edits was the removal of a rather large section of content for Surrealism and Nothing is Scarier, with the only reason being that it was "Not YMMV," but it was never relocated anywhere else.
I read through the removed sections and determined it still seemed like an appropriate use of those tropes, however I would like input on whether or not it should go back to YMMV, or if those tropes belong in the main page of tropes? I'm still relatively new to this so any input on this would be a big help.
Edit: I made the changes myself after some light research on page editing. This can be disregarded.
Edited by MidnightRun99resolved "Acceptable" H-games Videogame
Seeing that some H-games do get a page and some don't, I got a bit confused about how content rules actually work regarding those; just how H-games actually do get their pages and it gets decided "okay, those may stay"? Is there a pre-moderation for those? Or it's "take the risk now, get executed by a firing squad later if we don't like it"? And what are the signs that there's a point to even bother, that it may pass?
I have one in mind (it's Overgrown: Genesis), as I genuinely like it (for its story and characters; was genuinely surprised myself at first, I originally only looked for something short which I can translate for practice), but want to make sure before even bothering with drafting, as it's better to throw out an idea than hours or days of writing. I wouldn't put it in sandbox until later anyway, but want to know in advance.
It's set After the End (Zombie Apocalypse, similar to one in Last of Us; albeit backstory is closer to the series rather than the games, despite predating it), and has rather bleak atmosphere; it starts as a story of survivor who was backstabbed and left for dead on the first field operation, but gradually becomes a battle for survival of humanity. Gameplay-wise, it's Survival Horror. It seems that almost entire H-content is avoidable; few scenes happens regardless of the player's actions, but it should be entirely possible to just write without mentioning them.
resolved Creator/MoringMark Page Getting Too Long Webcomic
The Creator Page for MoringMark is getting too long now, and needs to be split up into pages. Problem is, most of the things troped on the page relate to the various fancomics for Gravity Falls, Star vs. the Forces of Evil, and The Owl House, and while some of them do have specific names or series to them, those ones already have their own pages, with the ones on the creator page itself referring to various miscellaneous comics that, while stand alone, are largely connected in a sort of narrative that isn't definitively named.
So, how exactly should the page be split up, what namespaces should be used, should all of the series get their own pages or should only the largest one, The Owl House, get one, etc.
Edited by RebelFalconresolved Likely self-admitted edit war
Today, I stumbled on Peppermint Park while on a Wiki Walk through Bile Fascination. When I got to the WMG page
, I saw one entry that accused the show of being a Mafia laundering scheme. That's bad enough, but then there's the bullet point below it that says this:
- "Even more suspicious, this Troper could have sworn up and down that she had posted this WMG already, but mysteriously, someone seemed to have deleted it. Hmm."
I can only assume that the entry was previously removed for being too controversial. Since the page history only has one entry for February 2022, but the troper's edit history
shows an edit on the page in November 2020, the page was probably cutlisted after it was decided that the entry had to go. Regardless, by recreating a cut page with an entry that includes the line "I know I added this before, but it was deleted", the troper has basically admitted to edit warring.
resolved Edit War on Hijacked Destiny Film
WalkerBRiley deleted this entry under Film in Hijacked Destiny:
- Happens inadvertently in the Star Wars Continuity Reboot. The Skywalker bloodline ultimately ended having accomplished nothing and The Unchosen One Rey, descendant of the very person it was created to destroy, saves the day on her own and rubs salt in the wound by taking their name for herself in an attempt to honor their sacrifice.
resolved The movies' Jerkass Has a Point, YMMV or not? Film
I have recently found at least two "Jerkass Has a Points" on both separate characters from two different films, examples below.
From YMMV / Bad Santa.
- Jerkass Has a Point: When Willie is eating lunch in the food court, a woman encourages her son to climb on his lap and tell him what he wants for Christmas. Willie yells "I'M ON MY FUCKING LUNCH BREAK!", and we're meant to see it as another example of Willie being horrible with kids. While he did go way overboard, he was off the clock, only in partial costume and had every right to not be bothered by a selfish mother who thought it was okay to crash in on his lunch demanding special treatment for her son.
- Also, while it doesn't justify him trying to kill Willie, it's hard not to agree with Marcus that Willie's reckless and unprofessional behavior has made him more of a liability than anything else, and that without him their plans would go nowhere. Willie's actions throughout the film almost caused them both to be arrested on several occasions, almost caused them to be fired, and allowed them to be blackmailed by Gin. The fact that Willie had already sent a letter reporting the job to the police and forgot about it only drives the point further.
- Jerkass Has a Point: Phil may very well be correct that Rose was gold digging and marrying George because she needed a provider to take care of her and Peter, not because she loved him.
resolved Edit war
Reginald Ogron 5 introduced following edit to Hearts of Iron:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.HeartsOfIron#edit34958967
I slashed it, along with citing my reasons for that (and a quarter of all entries from that specific YMMV page are going to support those reasons). Except a few days later, the troper in question put it back without a single alternation
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.HeartsOfIron#edit34998908
So it's a double whammy: not only did he repost the same entry, but the entry itself claims things that aren't true, where stuff listed as supposed praises are widely considered to be Scrappy Mechanic within the playerbase.
resolved Someone is edit warring on UnintentionallyUnsympathetic/TheSimpsons
On the Unintentionally Unsympathetic page for The Simpsons, there is a header for the examples that belong to the members of the Simpsons family, that would read 'Pretty much every member of the Simpsons family (except Bart and Maggie) has come across as this at some point or another.'.
Two days ago, I noticed that the user Brian KT had removed the mention of Bart that excludes him from being counted as Unintentionally Unsympathetic, claiming that there must have been some episodes where Bart came off as such without even adding any examples of him being so.
I then added the mention of Bart back, pointing out that there aren't currently any examples of him being Unintentionally Unsympathetic listed on the page, hence why he's being excluded.
Earlier today, I discovered that Brian KT has once again removed the mention of Bart, still without adding any examples of him being Unintentionally Unsympathetic and has thus started an edit war. Since I can't change it back again, as that would also count as edit warring, I've decided to bring this here.
P.S. Just wondering, after this gets resolved, will I be able to add the mention of Bart back myself or would it still count as me edit warring?
Edited by CorvusIXresolved OK to move "Fanfic Recs.Final Fantsy VII" to "Fanfic Recs.Compilation of FF7"?
Would there be any objections if the FF7 fanfic recs was moved to "Fanfic Recs / Compilation Of Final Fantasy VII", with redirects from the other Compilation titles? It would make a lot more sense given that the fics encompass much of the Compilation, not just FF7 itself. I had asked
, but no response.
resolved Correctly Inputting A Work Webcomic
I'm adding an entry to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/BecomingTheMask/FanWorks
and am reading how to edit, but I am still have trouble grasping the linking and spoiler codes. Also, do fan work comics go under Fan Works or Web Comics?
Here is the current text, spoilers ahead.
- In * the short comicBecoming The Facade
, by 'Rated-R-PonyStar, two changelings stealthily take out and assume the lives as two royal guards. One of the guards has a family, and the changeling develops a genuine attachment. Unfortunately, he successfully procreates with his "wife", and the other changeling slaughters the family before he can do anything to act on his newfound love. The [[Pun changed changing kills his companion. He is implied to have revealed himself in a [1] as he attends the funeral.]]
resolved Which name to use for this character Literature
In The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System: Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong, the protagonist, originally named Shen Yuan, transmigrates into a character named Shen Qingqiu, and from then on is referred to as Shen Qingqiu, including in his own thoughts. So in the story, he's called Shen Qingqiu like 99% of the time. I've noticed that the article for The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System: Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong uses both names, but Shen Yuan more often than Shen Qingqiu. I feel like it would be better to use Shen Qingqiu by default and only use Shen Yuan when referring to his past life as the novel does. Would it be okay for me to make these changes?
resolved About re-adding a specific trope
All of the examples for Talking to Themself have been removed from the trivia pages, as they used to refer to one actor playing more than one role. But would adding them back in as Acting for Two, which does refer to such, count as edit warring?
resolved Unspoilered context for spoilers Videogame
Pokémon Scarlet and Violet currently has an almost-entirely-white example for its Magnificent Bastard entry. It was not like that previously: I wrote part of it outside the spoilers to give context. For the record, here's what it was previously:
- Magnificent Bastard: The Final Bosses of the game caught many players off-guard for how ingenious they are: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
And here's what it looks like now:
- Magnificent Bastard: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
Shooting Star 7 X deleted the non-spoilered context, with the edit reason of "Plently of Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard writeups are completely spoilered out, and this addition would make no sense without spoiler markup (i.e. on Magnificent Bastard.Pokemon)."
I don't see the reasoning behind that. "Other examples also do this" isn't good justification; Self-Fulfilling Spoiler points out that fully-spoiled examples are bad writing. Also, "this wouldn't make sense if it wasn't a spoiler" doesn't work either, because the example is a spoiler, and it's not like my addition detracts from the example if it's read in its entirety without a spoiler — at least, in my opinion.
I asked ShootingStar7X in a PM, but they didn't respond to me. I also consulted Magnificent Bastard to see if there's a rule that all MB entries must be fully spoiled, and it doesn't say.
Am I clear to restore the edit I made previously?
resolved Should this be cut?
First, I found Awesome.Other Friendship Is Magic Fan Vids during a round of meta moment hunting and sent it to Cut List since all of the examples are from fan works or other derivative works (like DEATH BATTLE!). I were on phone and so didn't dig deeper then.
Now, I check it again and realized that the only inbound link is a circular link to itself. The main work page, WebAnimation.Other Friendship Is Magic Fan Vids, seems to be misuse since it look like Fanfic Recommendations but with poor troping (most, if not all, examples are ZCE) and long list of external link without recommendation. It also has other subpages, all are of poor quality.
Edited by Kuruniresolved Pages for Fanfics that don't actually exist?
Yeah, someone has created a fanfic for My Hero Academia that I don't think actually exists.
The page itself, My Hero Academia Rewritten Sparks mentions it's an "upcoming" fanfic... but I can't find any traces of it outside that page anywhere else. And it doesn't list an author, so there's that too. The only contributer of the page is SK1212, who is either the "author" themselves, or someone independent but unable to provide evidence the fic actually exists.
Isn't there something in the rules against giving works that don't exist their own pages without concrete evidence it does exist in some form outside of the page?
Edited by RebelFalconresolved What to do about 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die
I do remember there being a series of discussions more than a year ago at this rate which went over the various list articles that needed to be removed (which ended around here
). 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die has been brought up, but while the page is alright, and has tropes to justify its existence, there wasn't a conclusive action about what to do with the list itself as it stands in the description. Should that list go or should we just let it be?
resolved Problematic troper Music
cryptic-immortal has been editing the Music.Muse page and its subpages recently, and many of their edits... Concern me. For example...
- Here
, they added a Drinking Game entry to the YMMV page, even though I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to be linked there.
- On the WMG page, they seem to be indulging in quite a bit of self-natter
, complete with the usual First-Person Writing. They're adding natter to the Headscratchers page, too
.
- They also have formatting issues, such as when they attempted to add the aforementioned Drinking Game entry on the main page
before moving it to YMMV.
- Finally, they have problems with example context, like here
.
I have sent notifers to them.
Edited by ChillyBeanBAMresolved Deliberate rulebreaking with unjustified reason
Plasma Power added an image to a page that already had an image
, which isn't too bad by itself. What bothers me is that their edit reason
suggests that they knew it was against the rulesnote which it is, pages are only allowed one image, and new images must be contested in the Image Pickin' threads, yet they added it anyway "for fun".

Troper Metal Max 1991 has been constantly re-adding Alternate Self to MCU: Benjamin Poindexter that connects it to the 2003 Daredevil movie even though those films haven’t ever crossed over or been connected so they’re not canon. Are they commiting an edit war?
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy