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resolved Figuring out how to alphabetize strange example Literature
So, the work Orson Scott Card's Empire is listed on the work page as Orson Scott Card's Empire, however, every source I can find lists the title as simply Empire. I presume this was originally done to prevent confusion with other works of literature with the title Empire, however, currently, there are no other works in the Literature namespace with that title; Empire currently redirects to Empire which is itself a disambiguation page.
The reason I ask is because I was attempting to alphabetize a page and wasn't sure if this page should be put under "O" for Orson or "E" for Empire, which is, as far as I can tell, the proper title for the novel.
Thank you in advance for your help!
resolved where to send page that has improper capitalization
Sorry, been a while since I've been here + I've in general been tired, thought it would just be easier to go to ATT to ask where to send something to be fixed.
Found this page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheShowStoppers
and made a couple edits to it (hid zces, fixed wording in some places, added punctuation) but the capitalization of the page itself shows up wrong (shows up as The Show stoppers rather than The Show Stoppers.) Where do I go to get that fixed? Thanks
resolved Restoring parts of an entry (somewhat NSFW) Videogame
For some context: A while back, I reported a troper
(Halberd Stop Crashing) regarding some entries they added on The Legend of Heroes: Trails through Daybreak. In particular, they wrote portions of the Hotter and Sexier to make mention of homoerotic subtext. I removed since we still don't have much information and the game wasn't out in English, since having gay subtext doesn't automatically make a scene sexual. After a while, I got DM from the troper, stating that, "It's a fanservice scene". When I asked for further clarification and evidence, they sent me a .rar folder with screenshots from I can presume is the Fan Translation. At first, I thought it was a sex jokes added to spice things up, but after seeing the scene and using Google Translate, it was confirmed to be somewhat accurate. So I'm asking if parts of the old entry can be restored.
Further links:
- The files they sent me
(the linked ATT also has some screenshots of it but not all of them)
- The trooper's edit
- The Japanese version of the clip
and the English version
(note that I haven't watched the latter because, while I spoiled myself on some aspects of the game, I want to experience the other scenes as blind as possible)
resolved Question about Zalgo as used in the title of a video
As has been established, the use of Zalgo text is not allowed on the wiki. However, over on YMMV.Si Iva Gunner, I noticed it being used in an entry concerning a video by Siiva. Thing is, AFAIK Zalgo text was what was originally used in the video title, prior to it being renamed — the text is just quoting the video.
With that in mind, is Zalgo OK to use if it's in the original title of a work, or no? And if so, should I retitle the link to match the current title of the video?
Edited by themayorofsimpletonresolved Too Fanon for Ambiguously Related?
Under Characters.Metroid The Metroids, this was added to Metroid Prime/Dark Samus's Ambiguously Related entry.
- There are theories that Metroid Prime started off as a Phazon Metroid, allowing it to slipping through the seal as they are known to slip through reality, though this itself is a stretch considering Samus didn't encounter any Phazon Metroids on Tallon IV.
Is this too much into fan speculation for a non-YMMV? Or is it allowable given the speculative nature of this trope? (Note their Metroid relation is a mess of conflicting continuity and retcons.)
resolved Is this allowed? Anime
A while ago I made this query
concerning an entry regarding Awesome Music. When I mentioned it in the "Get Help With English Here" thread, someone pointed out
that this user is self-inserting their own opinions (except for the commas, that were a necessary addition). They also removed the %% notice I added about ZC Es and grammar.
resolved Misuse of Deal With The Devil? Print Comic
I moved a Excellent Judge of Character entry from Recap.Sonic The Hedgehog IDW Phantom Riders Arc to Characters.Sonic The Hedgehog IDW The Restoration, re-writing and removed the pothole, as I thought it was misuse and believed the trope entry itself was better for the character page.
However, this recent edit
potholed Deal with the Devil for this entry under Excellent Judge of Character.
- Excellent Judge of Character: Zig-zagged. Due to none of the Restoration's members having talked with her about the danger that Clutch and his company possesses, she accepts a deal with him, seemingly unaware about how Clean Sweep plans on usurping the organization as the sole proprietor of cleaning up after Eggman. However, after Jewel makes it look like she was fooled by Mimic's excuse as to why Amy hasn't reached out to her, she gives a serious glare to Duo after talking with him in Issue #70, where she's starting to suspect the so-called "helpful" cat.
I believe it's misuse since the character himself isn't a devil, just a shady businessman, and the character, Clutch, has no analogues or parallels to a devil or satan.
The troper also put their edit reason as "Trope was cut/disambiguated due to cleanup" which isn't correct either.
At the risk of starting an edit war, is it reasonable to remove the pothole because it's misuse?
Edited by taotruthsresolved Jump Scare Video Example
One of the policies for the Jump Scare trope is that no video examples of it are allowed. Someone accepted a video of it, apparently. Same thing happened with the Potty Failure trope a while back.
Could one of the mods remove the trope link from the video itself?
Edited by HarmonyBunny2000resolved Resolving issue on Character page for Characters/ChainsawManDenji
On June 15th
, I added an entry for an averted case of Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male. On June 28th, Tropers/tetesuper0 removed it without providing an edit reason, upon which I restored it without triggering an edit war by reason of "Deleted without reason
". 5 Hours later, tetesuper0 removed it again, with the reason of "In charter 169 denji don't see the handjob as a Bad experience". I believe this counts as an Edit War on their part.
Even then, I don't really think that reason counts considering the context, namely that Denji has been known to try and embrace ignorance to avoid the sheer hell that is his life, and is a very mentally damaged young man who had just been in the midst of a mental breakdown, and has demonstrated self-loathing and even self-harm to avoid dwelling on the negative thoughts, so him thinking he enjoyed it falls in line with him rationalizing the experience so as to not completely shut down, supported by how, when they go to the sushi restaurant immediately after, he's largely on autopilot until he realizes Barem Bridge, the asshole who killed his pets, burned his apartment down, and possibly killed his adoptive sister, is sitting right next to him, with his immediate response being to try and stab him with a pair of chopsticks.
And even then, the incident itself was rape. Neither Denji nor Asa consented to Yoru taking control of Asa and using her body to give Denji a handjob.
Edited by RebelFalconresolved Confused by the FNaF WMG page Videogame
Hey sorry if this is the wrong place to put this.
Anyway, I have a WMG for the entirely of the Five Nights at Freddy's franchise, but there isn't really a series-wide section for the WM Gs like most franchise pages I've run across. It's broken into specific installments and there's an "unsorted" section but it's mostly just short blurbs and mine is pretty long. Also, I noticed there's a lot of guesses for the movie (since it was in production for like nine years) on other pages and I wasn't sure if I should move those to the page for the movie itself.
resolved Discussions on edit reason?
So, on YMMV.Jocat there has been
a back and forth regarding this Offending the Creator's Own entry:
- Offending the Creator's Own: Despite himself being quite left-leaning, the infamous harassment campaign that targeted JoCat due to his "I Like Girls" was partly from far-left/radical feminist people who accused the video of objectifying women and being perverted.
Now I don't know if the entry is true and I have no dog in rather if it is political bias or not, but the thing is that it seems like the tropes particularly this one
are using the edit reason for discussions. Am I correct that is what is happening or am I mistaken.
resolved Report Troper (technically part 3)
I'm here because a previous ATT
went very long and though I know it received moderator attention, I don't know how much the mods were able to see because of the length (and because the issue kept going after the initial report), so I wanted to make a new one to make sure it got seen. Basically, I would like to join in on reporting NicMasterTrope for several thread-related issues, including but not limited to CM issues.
- In April he was reported
due to possessiveness issues regarding My Hero Academia, specifically the character of All For One (AFO). In summary, after the character was proposed, Nic PM'd the user asking to take the writeup, and when he was not given such permission, he went in and edited the draft without permission. Later on, he tried to alter the writeup without permission again to add in spoilers in violation of those threads' two-week rule. He was reprimanded by Tabs
and said he would try to communicate better
.
- Recently, he again
harped on when an MB draft from MHA would be done. When the writeup was done, he proceeded to comment that he would make a few improvements
but didn't offer any insight as to what those were.
- In the first ATT on this specific issue, he attempted to summarize the issue as just voicing his opinion
and said that he's not acting "haughty".
- He then proceeded to "discuss" the MHA tree order
by basically saying that it has to go a certain way, even though that exact order had already been agreed upon
anyway. He framed it as attempting to discuss it because of "the rules", even though there was no discussion to be had on the issue by that point because everyone, including him, was in agreement.
- After that, he then asked if Riley intended to propose another MHA character for MB
and asked to take it if Riley wasn't - this isn't an issue in isolation, but the fact that he's still harping on trying to propose and edit stuff from MHA despite the work already being reserved speaks to how far he's missing the point of the issue.
- Somewhere in the middle of all this, they made a CM EP and deleted it when it got downvoted, giving the reason as "What’s point of creating EP in the first place if it’s still rejected despite providing valid points
" (implicitly stating that the counterarguments were invalid).
- This is minor in the grand scheme of things, but he double
posted several
times, and when asked not to do that, not only immediately did it again
but also triple-posted later
. He later proceeded to make the exact same
comment twice, but about an hour apart
- Beyond the issue of possessiveness and attitude regarding their own proposals, there's also just a general history of rudeness, which is not restricted to CM/MB:
- Here
, he was very rude to someone while downvoting an EP and only edited it out after being called out later.
- Here
, they bumped a previous post with like sixteen exclamation and question marks, seemingly just to highlight their impatience, and said it was irritating to be "ignored"
(he got a talking to from Bisected for that as well).
- Here
, back when the character of Vecna was in limbo (a stage play seemed to give him redeeming qualities, but no one had actually seen it, so we kept getting cut proposals based solely on wiki summaries), Nic joined in in asking if he would be cut. Six posts later, he furiously
told us to stop ignoring him and implied that he would unilaterally cut him if no one else was planning to.
- Here
, he asked a question about TVT rules vs. Fandom wiki rules, got an answer literally immediately
, and then reposted the question
and called it "important" while asking us to stop treating him like a "jerk" (as this post
shows in an admittedly snarky fashion, the Administrivia page the thread OP instructs everyone to read answers the question anyway).
- Here
, in a similar fashion, he once asked the ITAE thread to stop ignoring him and answer his question. When Libraryseraph responded that she didn't know why any of his examples might not count, he basically said that now it was her turn to explain herself
.
- Here
Basically, he has a history of being disruptive, possessive over My Hero Academia despite the series being reserved (which could have been solved if he had just been polite about it, since works get split among users all the time and Riley has a well-documented history of doing so), rude if he doesn't get the answers he wants in a timely fashion, and completely missing the point of the problem even when it's spelled out clearly and thus continuing all of the issues after multiple ATTs and mod warnings. I know the last ATT was seen by mods (Bisected commented on it to ask for no popcorning), but I also know that there was a lot of information given there in no particular order, so I hope that consolidating everything here might make it easier for the mod team to see our issues.
Thank you for your time.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99resolved Is this mf a Love To Hate villain? Web Original
https://hate-sink.fandom.com/wiki/Patrick_Star_(Paka)
This is Patrick Star, from Paka's Dark SpongeBob Parodies. It's more than obvious he's a Hate Sinknote while some people may not trust FANDOM much because of some mistakes they have from time to time, they clearly discuss
every character before adding pages related to the Moral Ranking Wiki, Heroes Wiki, and Villains Wiki, since the series itself presents him as an irredeemable and dislikable, violent and cold asshole who wants nothing more than to kill SpongeBob and Junior (a baby clam, btw) at all costs (and he also basically represents the abusive husband in a toxic relationship when the sponge took the clam to his house, doubling his hatable points), whether is by killing people, threatening them at gunpoint, and -spoilers if you didn't see the animatics- making SpongeBob digs his own grave in a graveyard while having Junior in a cage.
Yet even with all this hatable and unsympathetic traits, he also has some Evil Is Cool moments when he kills an entire gang all by himself, all of the things he does to get to Sponge and Junior actually shows him how much of a clever and manipulative son of a bitch he is that accompanies his brutality (and this is Patrick, by the way), and, after the events of Part 2, he's shown to have the regenerative and cloning powers like his The Bikini Bottom Horror counterpart, which he uses to beat the crap out of and kidnap Mr. Krabs and asphyxiate Bubble Bass by making him gulp one of his parts by force, killing him and latter making a clone of himself be created, also Paka does a really good job at voicing him.
Apparently, I also saw that Hate Sinks can indeed also be "Love to Hate" characters, so he may also count.
Also sorry for all this Wall of Text.
Edited by UzarNaimBer15resolved Reporting User (Again)
So, NicMasterTrope has a fairly well-established habit of unfortunate conduct on the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard cleanup threads and the wiki in general due to impatience and unilateral action, quite frequently reported in instances like these: Here
Here
Here
And here
Thing is, the user doesn't seem interested in improving their behavior as they promised. Recently, on the Magnificent Bastard Cleanup thread, the user asked when a draft would be done while saying they'd already made a Video Example for the not-yet-written-up character
. While the latter is not an issue as the character is approved, them demanding to know when a character will be written up is not only a further instance of impatience and rudeness but has been, in the past, precedent for them to try and unilaterally handle the character themself, and the fact it is a character from My Hero Academia, the same franchise as two previous incidents with their tendency toward unilateral edits and attempting to edit other tropers' write-ups, does not inspire faith.
resolved Cerebus Syndrome - does it require the work to be clearly nonserious? Western Animation
I looked under Cerebus Syndrome, and I see both Amphibia and The Owl House listed.
The Owl House started out semi-story-based, in that it was episodic but still told stories, and still took itself somewhat seriously (in that the stories were somewhat serious and there was clear worldbuilding) but had comedy. Then things ramped up near the end of season 1.
Amphibia, meanwhile, was more about random adventures, with more story in season 2, then it ramped up with Marcy's "death" at the end of season 2.
To me, these are very different things entirely. One was somewhat story-based but went to full continuing storylines. The other one was more random adventures but then jumped to having more lore and backstory, then suddenly turned dark all at once.
Looking through I see other examples that I feel aren't totally that trope. Like, there are shows that simply went from having no continuity to having continuity (a show called The Raccoons). That's not the same thing as "goes from silly random comedy to suddenly dark."
Does this trope need cleanup? Am I misunderstanding what it's about? Does it need a new description, or something to make it much more clear what is and isn't an example of Cerebus Syndrome?
resolved Donkey Kong from the Mario movie
Well, it looks like I edited a file of Donkey Kong from the link
and I find him very attractive as Mr. Fanservice himself, because of being a Hunk and doing a Pec Flex ocassionally. I think some comments were right about it. If you would make a page of Donkey Kong spin-off movie when it comes out soon on T Vtropes.com, you'd describe him "the titular character as the sex symbol on the Nintendo Cinematic Universe". So, that's why...

What does one do when a page looked like it was edited by only one troper all throughout its edit history, but said troper doesn't seem to be active anymore, thus the page became abandoned and it's likely difficult to PM that troper for permission or questions due to their inactivity... Can another troper easily "adopt" it or "take over" in editing it significantly to the point where it results in a massive overhaul? Or do I still need to ask specific forums? I'm making this ATT just to be safe.
Specifically, I'd like to add a lot of tropes, examples, or content to a Chinese visual novel titled The Hungry Lamb. Unfortunately, the current TV Tropes page covering it (VisualNovel.Epiao Ming Mo Qianli Xing), has a lot of issues currently (such as the page not using the official English localization, improper formatting, and most importantly, it's currently a stub and still unindexed). Right now, I want to salvage that page instead of letting it be sent to the cutlist for being a stub.
Looking at the edit history
(or its grand total of two edits, specifically), it was only troper Georgankar who made and edited the page, but their last activity on this wiki was 7 weeks ago
.
Initially, I would've wanted to PM Georgankar saying that the Visual Novel's TV Tropes page they created needs several fixes, but at some point, I'm also unsure if it's just better to do all the fixing myself, which includes trying to pass it through the English Localization Cleanup
thread.
Apart from VisualNovel.Epiao Ming Mo Qianli Xing, I had a lot of free time yesterday and found out other works and pages (mostly Referenced by… subpages) that also seemed to be abandoned now but were previously edited by mostly just one troper. Edited by DanteVin