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resolved Does "Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things" cover hatedoms?
About a week ago, Nemlei, the creator of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley and other titles, ended their online presence and removed themselves from fandom interactions after some users of an anonymous forum board attempted (and failed) to doxx them.
~EndarkCuli initially added this entry to YMMV.The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley (which was then moved to Trivia.The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley by ~SoyValdo7), which was later edited by ~Konnor to specify it was "outside" of fandom.
- Despite the game itself having overall positive reviews, outside fandom reactions to one of the potential endings of Episode 2 led to the original creator terminating their online presence; while they will be continuing to work on story and art for the full version offline, Kit9 Studio was given ownership of the property and tasked with community management.
Setting aside that the doxxing started on a board that is notable for extreme transphobia and only started under the assumption the creator was transcontent warning The original post refers to Nemlei as "[transphobic slur] behind [the] cannibal incest game", mockingly uses neopronouns for them (when they have never specified such pronouns), users in the thread accuse the devs of being trans and groomers, you get the idea., they're clearly not fans of the work itself.
In my opinion, it doesn't count as Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things. Can I cut this?
Edit: Sorry, I cited the wrong person as adding the entry. SoyValdo7 only moved it to the Trivia subpage.
Final edit: Entry (and page since it was the only Trivia item) has been cut. Locking as resolved.
Edited by lapistierresolved About this entry on Truth In Television
This trope is Never a Self-Made Woman, but it's in TruthInTelevision.D To F with the trope name potholed to a different phrase (which violates "Do Not Alter or Pothole the Trope Name"). Should this be changed, and how?
- Female Success Is Family: Patriarchial cultures, some matriarchial cultures, some religions, etc. believe this to be true, as do some women themselves, whether influenced by the culture or claiming not to be. It was also seen as absolute truth in most Western societies until around The '60s. It's not objective truth, as much as a controversial assumption a lot of people in real life do unfortunately make, and by which they judge other women.
resolved Edit war prevention for a problematic edit Film
madorosh removed
this example from Lady Ballers
- Broken Aesop: While a common conservative justification for the type of transphobia seen in Lady Ballers is to protect women's spaces, the film also promotes the idea that women are always physically inferior to men including at sports, which is both misogynistic and condescending and undermines the alleged "pro-woman" bent.
with the edit reason: "doesn't make sense, the characters in the film mention the biological fact that men have specific advantages over women, which in general is true. Not sure what 'transphobia' is being displayed - everything in the film is played for laughs"
I don't wanna cause an edit war, but the example was valid. The film tries to present itself as pro-women but the film very much plays on the supposed belief that men, even the weakest men apparently who are out of shape and washed out and haven't exercised in years, are more physically abled and skilled at sports than the most trained female athletes. Which very much does go against the film's supposed "feminist" message.
Again, I want to cause no edit war so I brought it here.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2resolved Just here to troll
Oscar Baiter only seems to be here just to make unproductive edits, as their edit history
shows them making unilateral edits to only a few pages thus far, almost to the point where they blanked the pages.
I don't want to revert the pages myself, as I don't want to start an edit war.
Edited by YuriHaru567resolved Is this comment contradictory?
So I was editing Inside Out and came across this comment below a obvious ZCE for All-CGI Cartoon stating: "The above trope's page says it allows zero-context examples since the title is self-explanatory. So, please, don't comment it out." Site policy demands that ZCEs should be commented out or have added context. This appears to have been added
by Asterlix last year. I did check the page for All-CGI Cartoon and found no notice at all supporting this. Is this the troper trying to get away with adding ZCEs by making up their own rules?
resolved JDF-related Harsher In Hindsight example
On YMMV.Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger, IncredibleFulk1 added
this example under Harsher in Hindsight, in light of the at-the-time passing of Jason David Frank, who played Burai's counterpart Tommy Oliver. The example was later deleted
by Anicomicgeek with an edit reason of "As tragic as Frank's passing was, death it-and-of itself doesn't count." However, another example related to Frank's death was added by Donnatemple on May 24th, 2023, under different wording:
- The fact that Tommy Oliver, Burai's occidental counterpart, is Spared By Adaptation and became a Composite Character of five rangers, became this with the death of Jason David Frank.
Unlike the previous example, this one flew under the radar for at least eight months, with no-one questioning if this example should count as being Harsher in Hindsight. Even if it was a case of that trope, it falls flat because neither Burai or JDF's deaths have anything in common (the former had a time limit that would put his life on the line; the latter due to personal and health issues that culminated in his demise via suicide). I would understand if it was Burai's actor, Shiro Izumi, who died and not his Western counterpart, but even then I doubt it would be from living on borrowed times. The only connection I could find is Izumi voicing his condolences to JDF
, but it wasn't related to either show. Any thoughts?
(and yes I don't know much about Zyuranger so I think I might have gotten Burai's death wrong)
Edited by ToonAbbyresolved Possible NRELP violation?
I'm not a fan of Rooster Teeth or Achievement Hunter, but the Tear Jerker page for the latter work contains a lot of real-life examples that covers the personal issues or departures of its members, despite Tear Jerker itself prohibiting real-life examples on its work pages unless scripted (assuming that scripted RL examples are allowed in the first place). The example I want to bring up is the firing of Ryan Haywood.
- In October 2020, both Ryan and Funhaus personality Adam Kovic became involved in multiple scandals of inappropriate behavior towards fans, which ultimately resulted in both men leaving the company. This led to a lot of turmoil and nasty arguments among the RT community, and then crossed personal boundaries when Ryan's family—victims in their own right—became subject to death threats and harassment with one member of the community even doxxing his wife's practice.
- Amidst the scandal and Ryan's abruptly controversial exit from RT, that week's AHWU video was posted to YouTube with all of Ryan's footage erased and edited out. Unfortunately, this also had the effect of completely erasing community manager Steffie (who only appeared in group shots alongside Ryan) from the video, ironically in an AHWU that's supposed to be about announcing a Steffie Week of videos focusing on her.
- Even more heartbreaking are the Twitter responses from the various personalities within Achievement Hunter. They just weren't co-workers, they were friends and family and this was a major blindsiding betrayal for them.
- After Jack had been silent on the matter for several days, his wife Caiti came forward and revealed that he was silent because she had actually become borderline suicidal, and Jack had spent his time balancing taking care of her and his work life for nearly three weeks.
- It did not escape many people's notice that the game the group streamed that Friday was Dead by Daylight, one of Ryan's favorite games. The video constantly bounces between feeling like they're taking the game back for themselves and feeling like something is missing.
- It was later announced that all future videos involving Ryan that were recorded and ready to release will not be uploaded in the wake of the scandal, and the channel went silent throughout the timeframe they were supposed to come out. Even though it's understandable why, a lot of hard work and fun laughs that went into those videos will now be laid to waste due to reasons outside the rest of the group's control. In a double whammy to Steffie, not only did she get edited out of her own "Steffie Week" announcement, that week of videos is probably a casualty to affairs now.
- The first livestream
since the news broke. It opens with Jack looking utterly miserable, and it is very hard to blame him with recent developments regarding Ryan's conduct at the company. He makes it quite clear that he had no idea he was doing this, refers to him as “that monster.” He and Michael make it clear that all the AH Crew are all for removing as much content involving Ryan from all platforms as possible from their near decade-long video library, and stating that he will never be welcomed back. Not once during the entire video do they refer to Ryan by name. Seeing people as strong and energetic as Jack and Michael being near tears for twenty straight minutes is absolutely gut-wrenching from start to finish.
- In the stream, he goes out of his way to mention Geoff, saying that he's so overwhelmed that he has no intention of making a public statement and has asked to be alone. Geoff was one of the people who hired Ryan, so even if we haven't seen any public reaction to the news it's impossible to imagine it's anything other than complete shock and depression.
- Despite Jack saying he wouldn't, Geoff wrote a lengthy statement on the Rooster Teeth subreddit, refuting his old accusation allegations against him that he himself was sexting fans and may have known about Ryan's affairs. In it, he revealed some more heartbreaking details about his breakup with Griffon. For example, they realized their marriage was falling apart for far longer than they let on, and tried to go through a number of steps to salvage it, one of which was eventually polyamory. They attempted an open relationship (Geoff stresses that they had full communication during this time and had multiple therapists guiding them through it), but that eventually led to an allegation that he was cheating on his wife with a fan, which he has since refuted. He also mentions an unknown family incident that caused a nervous breakdown back in June, explaining why he has been absent from Rooster Teeth affairs for a while now.
- In the same week that Geoff wrote his statement, Trevor had to release a 10-page statement refuting abuse allegations against him, revealing that he was the victim of emotional abuse for the duration of his previous relationship. Even as he attempted to end the relationship with the support of his friends and moved on to a happier relationship with Barbara, his ex continued to stalk and harass him and kept spreading abuse allegations against him that he attempted to resolve privately until the scandals forced him to reveal such personal details.
As someone who knew Haywood AFTER the news broke out, and was more of a fan of RT's animated content than their Let's Plays, I didn't really have much of an attachment to Ryan as his former fans were. However, as serious and heartbreaking as the whole event is, I feel like this violates the No Real Life Examples, Please! policy by virtue of not only doing a breakdown of an unscripted event (the heartbroken reactions of Ryan's coworkers, the removing of Haywood's contributions to RT, Jack desperately trying to take of his wife in light of the incident) that had nothing to do with the LP's themselves outside of making Ryan's Comedic Sociopathy in those videos retroactively abhorrent and discomforting, but also having examples that skew uncomfortably to Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement territory (such as bringing up his family getting the brunt of online harassment after the news broke). And yet somehow this example managed to stay on that page for three years without anyone questioning if it should be allowed on there in the first place. It's like putting the widespread condemnation of Elliot Gindi after his misconduct allegations came to light on Genshin Impact's Tear Jerker page despite the controversy having no affect on the story itself.
I remember someone on the "Moments" thread mentioning that RL examples should be allowed on Tear Jerker pages for Let's Plays, but I'm not sure if they changed their mind on that idea or not. What should be done of this?
EDIT: Fixed grammar and spelling mistakes.
Edited by ToonAbbyresolved Should this be TRS'd: AmericaWonWorldWarII Web Original
The trope description meanders along far too many tangents to what should be a description of the trope in fiction itself...feels like most of this should be moved to an Analysis page?
Edited by DarthWalrusresolved Vocabulary Conflict Anime
A little while ago now, Dentaku made this edit
on YMMV.Bocchi The Rock for the LGBT Fanbase example.
All instances of "Sapphic" were replaced with "Lesbian", saying the former is an "old-fashioned" form of the latter. I reverted the change with the reason that Sapphic is actually an umbrella term for any woman who loves woman (which does include lesbians, but also labels like bisexual, demi, etc.)
And then just today, someone reverted it again with no edit reason.
Edited by IkeaHanresolved New Crowner - troping Reality Show contestants
A new Crowner has been created to resolve some queries about the way we trope Reality Show contestants as 'characters'.
As per Real Life Troping, it's acknowledged that these shows deliberately blur fact and fiction, and that examples must be "written in the context of the work, not describing the people with lives outside of it".
With that in mind, we have two proposals on the current Crowner:
- Breakout Character should only apply to someone who acquires a much larger role within the same reality show or its wider Series Franchise, not someone who uses a Reality Show appearance to launch or boost a much wider media career.
- As audience reaction tropes such as The Scrappy and Base-Breaking Character can be a mix of in-show behaviour and reaction to a contestant's real life (e.g. their social media presence and/or tabloid headlines), they should only be listed for Reality Show contestants if acknowledged within the work itself.
Please comment or vote here
resolved Question about pages of works that you authored.
I have written a book, it is currently in the process of being published.
Once it is published, there are the guidelines of The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours.
But one thing in particular struck me as odd about that policy: specifically, the trivia section:
"You may not add any examples marked as Trivia that contain information not known to the general public"
What exactly does this mean? That I need to write about it somewhere first before being allowed to put it on Tv Tropes? I do not have a public online presence, I am not a professional author, but I am here, a troper. By definition I am one of you. Would Tv Tropes itself not count as being "known to the general public"? Or do I have to make a twitter account that no one follows, write it there, and then link to it when writing a trivia entry?
resolved Very belated notice of an edit war
July 2024 update: They're back at it again.
Was doing cleanup, found an analysis page for Unproblematic Prostitution and an out-of-place headline reading "We now break from our usual entertaining content to provide a one-sided editorial as to why sex work is inherently bad. Because, clearly, this is the one right and true analysis of the sex trade.", which was edited the previous January by Iamcuriousblue. According to page history, this wasn't the first time it was added — they first did so in December 2022
, and after it was removed for vandalism
, they added it back in without any edit reason. They also have an edit history of trashing the page on the main
Unproblematic Prostitution page itself, as well as editing out this one passage of the main description
for "out-of-place propaganda for the Nordic Model approach to prostitution" when it was literally just saying an objective fact on some countries passing laws.
This user isn't very active, only between 2021 to 2023, with their editing-back-in-of-vandalism being their last act. I couldn't find any verification if they were at all suspended or punished for their behavior, but I do notice in their edit history they have a suspicious single-issue focus regarding the portrayal of women in sexual or otherwise fanservice-y scenarios, so treating the topic with that level of unprofessionalism is a smidge concerning.
Edited by number9roboticresolved A goof in the Mr. Robot page Live Action TV
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/MrRobot
There is a goof in the Disposing of a Body section:
Someone wrote that Mr. Robot and Elliot found Tyrell's dead body after he was shot and burned it with the white Dark Army van. That never happened. Tyrell walked away after he was shot and the last we see of him was looking at the blue light. The body that they burnt with the van was of the dead DA soldier who killed himself. We don't know till this day what happened to Tyrell.
resolved Potential edit war? Web Original
On this page of this RWBY episode:
- Super N 9999 added a "Nice Job Fixing It Villain!" entry about Neo
.
- gjjones deemed it as potential misuse, so they took it down
.
- SuperN9999 re-adds it back, with the justification of the entry being present in Neo's character page
, despite reiterating that it was previously removed due to misuse.
Do we have a concrete Edit War here?
Edited by skan123resolved Can Hypocrite apply to the author of a work or just its characters? Web Original
For instance, say the author of a work clearly in an author's note expresses contempt for a certain trope or story beat, but then in the work itself they use that same trope or story beat straight without irony or deconstruction when necessary to suit the narrative.
EDIT: If not, is there a more appropriate trope to use?
Edited by Raxisresolved There's something wrong with MagnificentBastard.WesternAnimation and MagnificentBastard.ComicBooks
Note: I already posted about this in the bug query
, but I didn't get any response, so I'm reposting it here in the hope that it will be noticed by someone and also made a few changes to the post.
A few days ago, the Sandboxes which are used to make changes MagnificentBastard.Western Animation and MagnificentBastard.Comic Books were swapped to their respective pages in order to make edits to them because they are locked.
However, it seems like something's wrong with the pages, as the changes shown within the edit history aren't reflected in the page source, causing there to be no changes to the pages themselves. For instance, an Error on MagnificentBastard.Western Animation that caused it's subpages to not be indexed is repeatedly
shown to
be fixed
in the edit history, but the Error is still on the main page itself.
From checking the history of these page, it seems like the issue started on December 17th, 2023 for the Comic Books page and on December 31st, 2023 for the Western Animation page.
If anybody notices other pages with the same problem, please leave them in the comment section. Furthermore, if somebody has an idea on what's causing the glitches to occur and/or how to solve this problem, please mention it in the comments so this issue can be resolved.
Edit: Moving this back to query bugs
Edited by jlvs200sresolved The Flash AudienceAlienatingPremise Issue
I'd like to report an edit war that's occurred in the YMMV page for The Flash (2023) over whether it qualifies for Audience-Alienating Premise. On January 28, Link Mario Samus removed the entry on the grounds that he felt it came across more as a Tainted by the Preview (due to the details mentioned having primarily more to do with meta and behind the scenes stuff than the actual premise itself). On January 29, Estvyk added it back under the claim that it's simply a case of Audience-Alienating Premise overlapping with Tainted by the Preview. Finally, on February 14, Link Mario Samus removed it again with an edit reason that could be interpreted as rude despite not necessarily being wrong. While I'll concede that I don't know if any discussion occurred between them via PM before or after any of this, I'm nonetheless reporting this edit war so that they can have the chance to come here to present their case.

Ebro 4920 added that the Abyss Order returned in Fontaine AQ as the Arc Villain here
, when it's just the All-Devouring Narwhal, which has no indication of being affiliated with it.
I removed it
but they readded it
, saying "the fact that it's on this page implies that it's also part of the order," ignoring that the entity is on the "Independent Entities" header and that the Ebro4920 was the one to add it in the first place (I did not realize this one until reading the history).
I did PM Ebro4920, to no response. And I apologize for trying to Edit War myself
(although I immediately undid it afterwards).
EDIT: Ebro4920 has since PMed me to remove the aforementioned Out of Focus entry entirely not only for the unaffiliated entity but also for the Abyss Order's role in Chapter III's Caribert (which is pretty recent), so it's all good.
Edited by Exaskliri