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resolved Victoria vandalism Literature
I'm on a self-imposed hiatus due to reasons, but this should be brought to the mods' attention.
Walker 45 has edited Literature.Victoria, calling it "a deranged piece of Nazi propaganda" and the like. They have also made forum posts
expressing overwhelmingly negative views towards the work and saying they will remove all mentions of it from the wiki.
Requesting mod revert of Victoria.
resolved Questionable Edit removal from Recap for Rick and Morty Western Animation
On December 18th, 2022, I added a "The Reason You Suck" Speech entry for the Rick and Morty episode "Ricktional Mortpoons Rickmas Mortcation".
- "The Reason You Suck" Speech: When Rick tries to leave after making the driller once Morty makes clear he doesn't want Rick coming with him to get the Lightsaber, Morty gets pissed at the idea Rick is acting like Morty betrayed him and not the other way around. Rick, thoroughly done with listening to Morty and wanting to just go back to hunting down Rick Prime, delivers a quick but succinct tear down of Morty, both for the events of the last episode, and his general treatment of Rick overall the last few seasons, with Morty treating him like shit despite Rick bothering to open up to him. Morty himself can only wince and look upset while he's listening up until Curtis reassures him he won't kill his family.
Rick: You wanna know why I replaced myself in the beginning of that stupid Knights of the Sun thing? I said don't take the fucking sword and you were like "whatever" like I'm our neighbor Gene or David Arquette or something. You called me boring. I've become dog shit to you. That's what happens when you let people in and they stop respecting you, they touch your shit, they screw things up, they kill your fucking family. Go ahead. Trust [Curtis]. You're going to learn the same fucking thing.
- 1. It's not presented as the way the edit reason states, namely since Rick had been keeping Morty out of his hunt for Rick Prime rather than forcing him to help, and Morty was acting like Rick was entirely at fault for not being honest. While an argument can be made for Unintentionally Unsympathetic, the fact of the matter is that it's not presented in the manner the edit reason suggests.
- 2. "The Reason You Suck" Speech is not a YMMV trope, meaning even if Mantyf does not see it as a speech but more a rant from an abuser, the trope itself is what matters. So if the entry is an actual case of "The Reason You Suck" Speech as presented in the show itself, removing it based on an interpretation feels like a mistake.
resolved StatusEffects, StatusInflictionAttack, and NonDamagingStatusInflictionAttack
On Dawncaster, I had previously written three different examples for Status Effect, Status Infliction Attack, and Non-Damaging Status Infliction Attack. They were as follows:
- Non-Damaging Status Infliction Attack: Some cards allow you to apply one of the several Status Effects to the enemy without dealing any damage. These are useful because such cards typically apply more stacks (4-5) of the status effect because there's no damage. Most Status Infliction Attacks only apply 2-3 stacks or make the number of stacks applied equal to the amount of damage inflicted, meaning that Armored foes or foes with Impervious would not be affected.
- Status Effects: There are several in the game, both ailments and buffs. This trope however, will only focus on ailments and other non-standard status effects. To see what buffs are available, see Status Buff.
- Bleeding - Attacks do an additional +1 bleed damage per stack of bleed
- Brittle - the afflicted takes +1 damage from melee strikes per stack of Brittle
- Burn - per each stack of Burn deal 1 damage at the end of the afflicted's turn
- Charmed - if the afflicted's HP falls below the number of stacks of Charmed on them, they die automatically
- Dazed - Counts down for each card played. At zero, Stun takes effect, preventing all further actions that turn.
- Deep Wound - if the afflicted accumulates 5 Deep Wounds, they automatically die
- Frozen - Decrease the damage from all attack cards by 1 per stack of Frozen
- Jinx - Nullify the next card played
- Poison - the afflicted loses 1 HP per stack of Poison whenever they play a card
- Slow - Add 1 stack every time the afflicted plays a card. Increase the cost of the next cards drawn by 1 per stack of Slow
- Status Infliction Attack: Several cards allow you to both deal damage and afflict one of the many status ailments to the enemy. For example, one of the starting cards for the Arcanist, Frost Shard, does damage and afflicts the enemy with the Frozen status ailment for every point of damage that landed.
The logic was that the status effects listed can be applied both with an attack and without. So describing them generally under status effects and including a more specific example for Damaging/Non-Damaging Infliction Attacks made the most sense to me.
MaLady edited the page
by removing Status Effects and merging what was written under it into Status Infliction Attack, because in their eyes, since status effects can only be applied either with an attack or not, you wouldn't list Status Effects as it's the Super-Trope of Non-Damaging Status Infliction Attack and Status Infliction Attack. While I understand the point in general on Super-Trope / Sub-Trope rules on examples list, placing the list of status effects under Status Infliction Attack makes it seem to me like these are the status effects that can only be applied via an attack, when really, these are all of the status effects that can be applied with or without a direct attack.
I was going to leave it more or less alone, and just edit the page to add a few effects that I missed, but some of the new ones would necessitate bringing back Status Effect since they are an effect you apply to yourself that doesn't directly buff your character (so they wouldn't fall under Status Buff either). But it also seems odd to me to bring back Status Effect and not list all of the statuses under it as it were before and describing them neutrally. So, I wanted to know what others' thoughts were on this before editing the page.
Edited by amathieu13resolved The Troper Page Creation Guide
How do I create my own troper page? I want to create something like this "Tropers / Yatasumuji Senpai" on my own page? I like to edit one by myself but I don’t really know how to? Is there anyway you could help me please, perhaps the instructions would be helpful?
Edited by YatasumujiSenpairesolved Deliberate rulebreaking with unjustified reason
Plasma Power added an image to a page that already had an image
, which isn't too bad by itself. What bothers me is that their edit reason
suggests that they knew it was against the rulesnote which it is, pages are only allowed one image, and new images must be contested in the Image Pickin' threads, yet they added it anyway "for fun".
resolved Problematic troper Music
cryptic-immortal has been editing the Music.Muse page and its subpages recently, and many of their edits... Concern me. For example...
- Here
, they added a Drinking Game entry to the YMMV page, even though I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to be linked there.
- On the WMG page, they seem to be indulging in quite a bit of self-natter
, complete with the usual First-Person Writing. They're adding natter to the Headscratchers page, too
.
- They also have formatting issues, such as when they attempted to add the aforementioned Drinking Game entry on the main page
before moving it to YMMV.
- Finally, they have problems with example context, like here
.
I have sent notifers to them.
Edited by ChillyBeanBAMresolved What to do about 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die
I do remember there being a series of discussions more than a year ago at this rate which went over the various list articles that needed to be removed (which ended around here
). 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die has been brought up, but while the page is alright, and has tropes to justify its existence, there wasn't a conclusive action about what to do with the list itself as it stands in the description. Should that list go or should we just let it be?
resolved Pages for Fanfics that don't actually exist?
Yeah, someone has created a fanfic for My Hero Academia that I don't think actually exists.
The page itself, My Hero Academia Rewritten Sparks mentions it's an "upcoming" fanfic... but I can't find any traces of it outside that page anywhere else. And it doesn't list an author, so there's that too. The only contributer of the page is SK1212, who is either the "author" themselves, or someone independent but unable to provide evidence the fic actually exists.
Isn't there something in the rules against giving works that don't exist their own pages without concrete evidence it does exist in some form outside of the page?
Edited by RebelFalconresolved Should this be cut?
First, I found Awesome.Other Friendship Is Magic Fan Vids during a round of meta moment hunting and sent it to Cut List since all of the examples are from fan works or other derivative works (like DEATH BATTLE!). I were on phone and so didn't dig deeper then.
Now, I check it again and realized that the only inbound link is a circular link to itself. The main work page, WebAnimation.Other Friendship Is Magic Fan Vids, seems to be misuse since it look like Fanfic Recommendations but with poor troping (most, if not all, examples are ZCE) and long list of external link without recommendation. It also has other subpages, all are of poor quality.
Edited by Kuruniresolved Unspoilered context for spoilers Videogame
Pokémon Scarlet and Violet currently has an almost-entirely-white example for its Magnificent Bastard entry. It was not like that previously: I wrote part of it outside the spoilers to give context. For the record, here's what it was previously:
- Magnificent Bastard: The Final Bosses of the game caught many players off-guard for how ingenious they are: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
And here's what it looks like now:
- Magnificent Bastard: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
Shooting Star 7 X deleted the non-spoilered context, with the edit reason of "Plently of Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard writeups are completely spoilered out, and this addition would make no sense without spoiler markup (i.e. on Magnificent Bastard.Pokemon)."
I don't see the reasoning behind that. "Other examples also do this" isn't good justification; Self-Fulfilling Spoiler points out that fully-spoiled examples are bad writing. Also, "this wouldn't make sense if it wasn't a spoiler" doesn't work either, because the example is a spoiler, and it's not like my addition detracts from the example if it's read in its entirety without a spoiler — at least, in my opinion.
I asked ShootingStar7X in a PM, but they didn't respond to me. I also consulted Magnificent Bastard to see if there's a rule that all MB entries must be fully spoiled, and it doesn't say.
Am I clear to restore the edit I made previously?
resolved About re-adding a specific trope
All of the examples for Talking to Themself have been removed from the trivia pages, as they used to refer to one actor playing more than one role. But would adding them back in as Acting for Two, which does refer to such, count as edit warring?
resolved Which name to use for this character Literature
In The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System: Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong, the protagonist, originally named Shen Yuan, transmigrates into a character named Shen Qingqiu, and from then on is referred to as Shen Qingqiu, including in his own thoughts. So in the story, he's called Shen Qingqiu like 99% of the time. I've noticed that the article for The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System: Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong uses both names, but Shen Yuan more often than Shen Qingqiu. I feel like it would be better to use Shen Qingqiu by default and only use Shen Yuan when referring to his past life as the novel does. Would it be okay for me to make these changes?
resolved Correctly Inputting A Work Webcomic
I'm adding an entry to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/BecomingTheMask/FanWorks
and am reading how to edit, but I am still have trouble grasping the linking and spoiler codes. Also, do fan work comics go under Fan Works or Web Comics?
Here is the current text, spoilers ahead.
- In * the short comicBecoming The Facade
, by 'Rated-R-PonyStar, two changelings stealthily take out and assume the lives as two royal guards. One of the guards has a family, and the changeling develops a genuine attachment. Unfortunately, he successfully procreates with his "wife", and the other changeling slaughters the family before he can do anything to act on his newfound love. The [[Pun changed changing kills his companion. He is implied to have revealed himself in a [1] as he attends the funeral.]]
resolved OK to move "Fanfic Recs.Final Fantsy VII" to "Fanfic Recs.Compilation of FF7"?
Would there be any objections if the FF7 fanfic recs was moved to "Fanfic Recs / Compilation Of Final Fantasy VII", with redirects from the other Compilation titles? It would make a lot more sense given that the fics encompass much of the Compilation, not just FF7 itself. I had asked
, but no response.
resolved Someone is edit warring on UnintentionallyUnsympathetic/TheSimpsons
On the Unintentionally Unsympathetic page for The Simpsons, there is a header for the examples that belong to the members of the Simpsons family, that would read 'Pretty much every member of the Simpsons family (except Bart and Maggie) has come across as this at some point or another.'.
Two days ago, I noticed that the user Brian KT had removed the mention of Bart that excludes him from being counted as Unintentionally Unsympathetic, claiming that there must have been some episodes where Bart came off as such without even adding any examples of him being so.
I then added the mention of Bart back, pointing out that there aren't currently any examples of him being Unintentionally Unsympathetic listed on the page, hence why he's being excluded.
Earlier today, I discovered that Brian KT has once again removed the mention of Bart, still without adding any examples of him being Unintentionally Unsympathetic and has thus started an edit war. Since I can't change it back again, as that would also count as edit warring, I've decided to bring this here.
P.S. Just wondering, after this gets resolved, will I be able to add the mention of Bart back myself or would it still count as me edit warring?
Edited by CorvusIXresolved Edit war
Reginald Ogron 5 introduced following edit to Hearts of Iron:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.HeartsOfIron#edit34958967
I slashed it, along with citing my reasons for that (and a quarter of all entries from that specific YMMV page are going to support those reasons). Except a few days later, the troper in question put it back without a single alternation
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.HeartsOfIron#edit34998908
So it's a double whammy: not only did he repost the same entry, but the entry itself claims things that aren't true, where stuff listed as supposed praises are widely considered to be Scrappy Mechanic within the playerbase.
resolved The movies' Jerkass Has a Point, YMMV or not? Film
I have recently found at least two "Jerkass Has a Points" on both separate characters from two different films, examples below.
From YMMV / Bad Santa.
- Jerkass Has a Point: When Willie is eating lunch in the food court, a woman encourages her son to climb on his lap and tell him what he wants for Christmas. Willie yells "I'M ON MY FUCKING LUNCH BREAK!", and we're meant to see it as another example of Willie being horrible with kids. While he did go way overboard, he was off the clock, only in partial costume and had every right to not be bothered by a selfish mother who thought it was okay to crash in on his lunch demanding special treatment for her son.
- Also, while it doesn't justify him trying to kill Willie, it's hard not to agree with Marcus that Willie's reckless and unprofessional behavior has made him more of a liability than anything else, and that without him their plans would go nowhere. Willie's actions throughout the film almost caused them both to be arrested on several occasions, almost caused them to be fired, and allowed them to be blackmailed by Gin. The fact that Willie had already sent a letter reporting the job to the police and forgot about it only drives the point further.
- Jerkass Has a Point: Phil may very well be correct that Rose was gold digging and marrying George because she needed a provider to take care of her and Peter, not because she loved him.
resolved Edit War on Hijacked Destiny Film
WalkerBRiley deleted this entry under Film in Hijacked Destiny:
- Happens inadvertently in the Star Wars Continuity Reboot. The Skywalker bloodline ultimately ended having accomplished nothing and The Unchosen One Rey, descendant of the very person it was created to destroy, saves the day on her own and rubs salt in the wound by taking their name for herself in an attempt to honor their sacrifice.
resolved Likely self-admitted edit war
Today, I stumbled on Peppermint Park while on a Wiki Walk through Bile Fascination. When I got to the WMG page
, I saw one entry that accused the show of being a Mafia laundering scheme. That's bad enough, but then there's the bullet point below it that says this:
- "Even more suspicious, this Troper could have sworn up and down that she had posted this WMG already, but mysteriously, someone seemed to have deleted it. Hmm."
I can only assume that the entry was previously removed for being too controversial. Since the page history only has one entry for February 2022, but the troper's edit history
shows an edit on the page in November 2020, the page was probably cutlisted after it was decided that the entry had to go. Regardless, by recreating a cut page with an entry that includes the line "I know I added this before, but it was deleted", the troper has basically admitted to edit warring.

sorry for the double post; coming across some things while wick cleaning.
Creator.Corgipon has some rather non-neutral and self-promotey language in its description, such as (emphasis mine):
Looking at the edit history and 1) the troper who created and wrote the page was Vanilla Flare and 2) Vanilla Flare is Corgipon, shown by this edit [1]
that Vanilla Flare later removed[2]
.
Is this ok/not against any site policy? Should these be re-written to be more neutral?
Edited by amathieu13