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resolved Papyrus char page (undertale) Videogame
How do i make a self demonstrating article for him? Sans has one so i feel like Papyrus deserves one too.
resolved How to Handle a Specific TLP Draft Sponsor
I have a question regarding the TLP draft Alternating Scream Cut
. The trope itself seems valid, but my main issues stem from the sponsor themselves, Willow Jackson.
Most of the examples Willow added to the draft (which are not pulled from the replies) have a lot of issues. This mainly involves writing examples as Nightmare Fuel or Played for Horror regardless of context, using an excessive amount of web links for examples, and focusing on wittiness instead of being clear and concise.
I have tried to explain to Willow about these issues multiple
times
now
, but none of my replies resulted in Willow fixing their draft. What's even weirder is that Willow has been on this site since 2022, and their edit history is three pages long, so I can't tell if this is a case of an inexperienced troper trying to do a TLP draft or not.
I want to know what I can do about this sponsor. Should we inform Willow, wait a bit longer for them to fix their draft, or Take a Third Option?
resolved G-Liguria
G-Liguria
is not getting how Hindsight tropes work, particularly wrong-way hindsight.
It began here
; they apparently added
a bunch of wrong-way hindsight examples to Donkey Kong Bananza, which another troper deleted
for being wrong-way hindsight. Despite the deletion being correct, as the entries all pertained to things that occurred before the work was released, G-Liguria sent the troper a notifier, which caused them to doubt if they did the right thing or not. I myself
and other tropers agreed that the deletion was correct, and so the notifier should have not been sent, because there was nothing wrong with the deletion.
With this, I sent G-Liguria a misuse notifier, and they got rather argumentative in the reply, not understanding why it was wrong-way hindsight. But even after I sent them another PM and quite clearly explained that Hindsight refers to the work itself being seen as hilarious/harsher/heartwarming thanks to events that happened after the work was released, they still refused to believe it, citing another Hindsight-related page...that is also full of wrong-way hindsight examples. Since it seems that they're not getting it, I've brought it up here.
Edited by UFOYeahresolved Fldl
Fldl
has had problems with their spelling and grammar and zero context examples since the beginning of their edit history. I've sent several notifiers since June, and today I received a reply from them in which they told me to go watch the show in question to find out the context for myself (and also assumed my gender), meaning that they're clearly not listening.
resolved Adding to The Bible?
The Bible is edit locked, undoubtedly for good reasons.
I have a couple of tropes where The Bible is cited that I would like to add:
- Dying Reconciliation: Some people interpret The Bible's command not to "let the sun go down on your anger" as this; not a command against being angry at all,note or related to literal sundown, but a statement that Christians should try to reconcile with a person if they expect they will be separated from them for a long time (or forever).
- "Run Your Own Race" Aesop: A frequent lesson in The Bible is to concern one's self with one's own situation.
- "Attend to the beam in thine own eye before attending to the mote in thy neighbor's."
- Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.
- When Peter asks Jesus of John's fate, Jesus says, "What is that to thee? Follow you Me."
resolved About Dear Negative Reader
I wanted to add an example of Dear Negative Reader to Trivia.Saints Row 2022, I saw that an example already exists on Main.Dear Negative Reader, but it's complainy and bloaty:
- Saints Row (2022) became rather infamous for this. The game was announced as a reboot of the Saints Row series that was Revisiting the Roots, and fans were initially hyped with the graffiti wall art that updated itself leading up to the announcement trailer's release. However, when said trailer dropped, the fans' reactions to it were quite negative. In response, the community managers at Deep Silver, the series' publisher since Saints Row IV, started badmouthing people who were unhappy with the reboot's direction, including making tweets like "Haters gonna hate", and deleting negative comments that criticized series developer Volition from the reboot's videos. Although Volition apologized and removed the offending tweet, the damage was done. Many people were turned off by the game's direction and Deep Silver's hostility towards the fanbase and swore off playing the Saints Row reboot, while those who stuck around and played the game found it to be an Obvious Beta, despite being delayed from its intended February 2022 release date to August for quality assurance purposes. This caused the reboot to underperform critically and financially, which resulted in Embracer Group, the parent company of Deep Silver, transferring Volition's staff to Gearbox Software and then subsequently shutting down the company in August of 2023, just a year after the reboot's launch.
I then managed to cut it down to this:
- After the inital trailer for Saints Row (2022) dropped, The community managers at Deep Silver, the series' publisher since Saints Row IV, started badmouthing people who were unhappy with the reboot's direction, including making tweets like "Haters gonna hate", and deleting comments that criticized series developer Volition from the reboot's videos for a while before the game's release.
I've also seen plenty of examples that are just complaining about creators engaging in this, like the one about Bomberman Act:Zero:
- Hudson Soft infamously had a huge meltdown in response to the equally infamous Bomberman Act:Zero's negative reception and posted an article
on their website primarily dedicated to attacking fans and defending Act Zero. As it repeatedly insulted the older Bomberman games by insinuating they were meant for children, undermined fan favorite Saturn Bomberman's ten-player mode, heavily implied that the only people who played the single-player modes in Bomberman games were losers,note Most likely due to Act:Zero's singleplayer mode getting heavy criticism for Fake Difficulty. and told fans who were upset to play with Hello Kitty toys... yeah, it didn't go over well. It didn't help that the series was already going through an Audience-Alienating Era. While Hudson eventually apologized for the piece, the damage was done—several gaming sites lambasted them for the public tantrum and the controversy ultimately played a hand in their 2012 bankruptcy and merger with Konami.
This all makes me wonder, should we take this trope to TRS? Just the very nature of it just attracts creator bashing and drama importation. And should I go ahead with replacing the Saints Row example that I just cut down?
Edited by PlasmaPowerresolved Cowboy Emerald at his Computer
User Emerald Source has a problem with Unilateral Editing, as they seem to have a habit of overhauling descriptions of tropes without running it through Trope Description Improvement Drive, or providing any edit reasons. One of these edits
on Ms. Fanservice was noticed back in May 13th by some users on the aforementioned forum thread, which they sent a notifier for (seen here
), but Emerald Source has continued the habit regardless, as one can see through a few edits in their post-May 13th edit history:
- Space Clothes, edited here
.
- In-Camera Effects, edited here
.
- Basement Dweller, edited here
.
- My Real Daddy, edited here
. (User My Final Edits actually took notice of this and reverted the edit
, while once again attempting to guide Emerald Source to the TDID.)
But what's perhaps even more concerning is their edits to trope descriptions that add or remove to it's meaning, thus changing it's identity as a whole. Again, these are all done without discussion or edit reasons, despite having been sent a notifier:
- Changing the description of Stylistic Suck such that the trope has three different variants of itself [1]
- Narrowed down Everyone's Baby Sister to be specifically about a villain kidnapping a character who looks helpless, rather than the villain simply threatening a certain character type (no mention of physical appearance). [2]
- Outright changing the requirement for Cowboy BeBop at His Computer such that it can no longer apply to works getting details wrong, and is instead restricted to news reports, reviews, and promotional materials getting things wrong. [3]
All of this doesn't even mention the fact that their edit in Ms. Fanservice uses the word "females" to refer to women, and replaces a mention of "straight men" to just "men", even though the distinction of the sexual attraction is important in that context. These by themselves seem like red flags, and leads me to believe that sending another notifer would be like talking to a brick wall.
resolved Self-demonstrating character page
Does it have any purpose? Should any characters have one?
resolved Trimming down wordy entry. Live Action TV
So there's this entry over at the Live-Action TV subpage for Overshadowed by Controversy that's just a Wall of Text. It has to do with the talk show Karamo. It reads as follows:
- Karamo was a talk show similar to Maury and wasn't really popular, but now it's remembered for when Tiktok Chef Pii of the infamous Pink Sauce brought on a critic and proceeded to insult and gaslight her for the entire segment without letting the woman really defend herself. Making things worse, Karamo stood by her side and condemned the critic as well, accusing her of ruining the woman's life and complaining for no reason. Pink Sauce is actually known for misleading information, the chef's incredible inexperience in sauce making, not knowing what the FDA stood for, and the fact many sauces have been delivered spoiled or damaged. The critic in question wasn't just complaining to complain, and it was clear there was either some miscommunication or no research at all here. Comments even brought up why they didn't bring on people who actually lied about what the sauce did to them compared to someone with legitimate critiques. The audience cheered on the chef as well, making the critic feel like a pariah, and even when she sadly had to concede and say this should make everyone think, Karamo threw it back on her and said it was her problem and her fault before ending the segment there. This backfired for everyone except the critic; Chef Pii's reputation sunk further, and Karamo was lambasted online for his poor research and gaslighting, with people accusing him of showing favoritism to black women guests over the white ones. This culminated in him leaving a nasty tweet online calling these critics haters before deleting it, and his show scrubbed the video itself from the internet, with reaction and commentary channels being the only evidence of what happened in that episode. Many comments on newer videos continually bring up that Karamo should apologize to the critic; he did eventually contact Ally, four months later, and he still showed no real remorse to gaslighting her and, as comments pointed out, the apology felt half assed and that he was simply saving face because people were still posting comments begging for him to apologize to Ally. He even seemed to use her own words against her. Karamo went from the helpful guy on Queer Eye to a gaslighter.
How should I trim this entry so that it's more readable?
Edited by ArielLightningresolved Removing (non-problematic) edits created by ban-evader
As you probably all know, a user going by the name of Blase Son Of A Gun 1988 revealed themself to be a ban-evader.
For a short time, they were a contributor on the page for Our avatars are posting on a forum thread and its subpages. Most, if not all of their edits were relatively tame.
Is it okay to scrub these edits (and possibly all mentions of the characters they played) due to them being a ban-evader or do the edits have to be problematic to justify it?
Edited by The21zonzresolved Possible sockpuppet of Traveler123
I have a hunch M 2 Medium might be Traveler 123 aka Aces Full ban-evading. I randomly stumbled upon Traveler when browsing the TLP Community Issues thread and seeing them mentioned, and comparing Traveler and M2, there's a strange amount of overlap.
- Their TLP
replies in particular are quite alike
, using "team" to refer to collective tropers, using the phrase "marathon, not a sprint" in reference to TLP itself, calling descriptions "threadbare", giving advice about "honing your skills" among other things. Individually I wouldn't give these a second thought, but they're the only two accounts I've seen exhibit this specific pattern. ([1]
and [2]
, [3]
and [4]
, [5]
and [6]
)
- These
comments
on a draft M2 adopted from Aces are pretty suspicious. They claim they aren't the OP unprompted, and express a "it has to be done this way" type of ownership; nothing "gatekeep-y" per se, but they were still pretty direct about it. They also bumped
a draft that had last been commented on by Traveler close to 2 years prior, and, again, said response comes off as suspicious (the "searching for parking" scenario sounds plausible on its own, but it's sandwiched between claims that they're a newbie).
- This
comment/thread talking about misuse of Reckless Gun Usage, which was their last post prior to being banned, is pretty similar to M2's first post, which is about misuse of
Real Life examples of Let's Get Dangerous!.
Is this just a silly series of coincidences and/or me being paranoid, or are they really the same person?
Edited by Coachpillresolved YMMV/LindsayEllis
This is something that I think will require the attention of mods or those who have access to the records of such, but I'm noticing that YMMV.Lindsay Ellis seems to be an active page again, being launched in March 2025, after it was previously cut. The last archived instance on the Wayback Machine from before it was cut was December 2023
; why was the page cut to begin with if it's just going to be around again? Should it stay, or should it leave? Because based on what I'm seeing on both instances of the page do seem like they warrant existing (they're largely referring to discussing Lindsay Ellis' video essays rather than she herself as a creator).
resolved Redirect to MothersDayCelebrationPlot
Hi,
I intended to make Fathers Day Celebration Plot a redirect to the newly launched Mother's Day Celebration Plot, but I can't create it myself as I keep getting redirected to the TLP. Can a mod do it for me please?
resolved Foreign Remake - Same Roles, Same Characters? Live Action TV
I made a page for Marry My Husband: Japan, which is a Foreign Remake of Marry My Husband set in Japan instead of South Korea (itself a live-action adaptation of the original webcomic) made by the same studio behind the first series.
Since the characters are obviously different people such as the protagonist Misa Kanbe having the same role as Kang Ji-won, would certain character tropes apply to the equivalent roles if they're unambiguously meant to be the same? For example:
- Adaptational Villainy: In the original webcomic and series, Min-hwan's mother Kim Ja-ok is abusive and overexpectant of Ji-won at worst, while her Japan equivalent Hirano Masako not only openly mocks the late Misa at her funeral for supposedly committing suicide, but was willing to help her son Tomoya commit fraud by using her job at Misa's insurance firm to illegally change her life insurance beneficiary to Tomoya instead of Misa's grandmother.
resolved Need help parsing "Crippling Overspecialization" Entries
This morning, a new user, ~amybranch posted a handful of Crippling Overspecialization entries on Characters.Dungeons And Dragons Classes Fifth Edition Classes, describing a few classes (namely the Barbarian and Monk) as suffering from this. I disputed them because to me, their descriptions seemed very misleading and off-base for what qualifies as Crippling Overspecialization: they're focused entirely on having nerfs between the 2024 and 2014 rules while ignoring their side buffs, as well as their holistic design — they're painted as "only" good as combat classes in ideal combat scenarios despite that being kind of the intent of their design.
I removed most of the entries
because these examples didn't illustrate being "crippling" or even "overspecialized" to the degree that the trope warrants, but they were added back just now
with this edit reason:
That doesn't sound right, right? I don't think a character being as equally weak to certain types of damage as other charactersRef."2024 Barbarians are resilient against enemies that only deal bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing damage, and especially vulnerable to anything else." constitutes "crippling", or that a class explicitly about specializing in a particular form of combat is "overspecialization"Ref.While describing the Bare-Fisted Monk class, "The result is a class that's good at running up to enemies and punching them...and very bad at anything else.". The fact these character are — anecdotally speaking from my experiences in the community — generally seen as pretty strong, makes me really have to tilt my head as to where this is coming from, and so I'd like some extra eyes here to help judge these examples.
Edited by number9roboticresolved Another troper with a wonk against a character.
Reddish Guy 1 seems to have a wonk against character Lizel from Kamen Rider Gavv:
- They first added an entry in the Tear Jerker section of the show claiming that "The vast majority of Rider fans seem to have a very easy time not feeling pity for Lizel."
When I reverted it back to what it was since YMMV is still subjective, they removed it again on the basis that it is "not objective"
.
- They replaced this more neutral entry with this
— and particularly the part "the episode is supposed to" makes it feel like a jab against the episode itself.
- Now they're trying to insert
a Karma Houdini entry for her despite it being previously deleted on the basis that the Laser-Guided Karma trope exists in her character page.
resolved Low quality edits - formatting & English
I guess I'll be the rat and I hate to do this (since I share the struggle), but it's just tiresome at this point.
Troper kruczak has zero regard for the English grammar and spelling. For months now, I've been carefully cleaning up his mess whenever I've stumbled into it, especially in works from the Polish Media index (since that's where we are both usually active, for obvious reasons). But after nearly two years of this, I'm absolutely done.
This isn't even that he's making mistakes. It's the scale and level of them, where he can't even be bothered to first check in a preview mode if his entries display properly (or notice there are red links or the formatting is off after posting). So "naturally" stuff like doing the spellcheck or fixing the grammar is off the menu. And it's almost always a one-and-done type of deal, with no attempt to fix things later, revisit or anything like that.
I get it with some of his mistakes. Polish doesn't have articles of any kind, so it's pure abstraction trying to grasp the English ones. But for Christ's sake, we reached the technological point where the browser itself is going to pick up half of the slack by itself, highlighting mistakes, and there are dozens upon dozens of grammar autocorrect tools readily available (guilty as charged for always double-checking with those and I'm still unsure most of the time). There is literally no excuse to keep making the same basic mistakes that a mid-schooler would know better than to make.
So pretty please, do something with this guy, for I'm done being his editor or covering for him.
A sample of his most recent edits, but they are all
like this:
(No, I can't PM here, I'm banned from using PMs, someone else will have to do that)
Edited by Tropiarzresolved Edit war on the Tear Jerker Kirby and the Forgotten Land page Videogame
Troper Back Set 1 added this entry
to the game's Tear Jerker page on April 11th, 2022:
When Elfilin is kidnapped, he actually calls out Kirby's name (or rather, his Japanese name).
On May 5th, 2022, I altered it to not only correct a grammatical error but also removed the part in brackets - listed above in italics - with the edit summary: "It's literally just the name "Kirby" pronounced as you would in Japanese. It's still Kirby at the end of the day, through and through." The only reason it's said like you would say it in Japanese is because Elfilin's voice actress is Japanese herself and the game was developed in Japan.
And then on March 19th, 2023, BackSet1 edit warred by readding the exact previously removed information in a different form
with the summary: "Just kind of felt this was worth noting."
Personally, I'm in favour of altering the "calls out his name in Japanese" bit to what I did back in May 2022, not only for the reasons I specified over three years ago, but also because Kirby's name is the exact same in Japanese as it is in English. The only differences are how it's often pronounced in Japanese and how it's often written in Japanese. But since I already removed said information the first time it came up, if I were to do it again, I myself would also be in edit war territory and could risk a suspension. As for notifiers, I couldn't find a single one that best fits the situation so I decided to bring up the issue here. Other than that, any advice as to what should be done here?
P.S. As for why I'm only now reporting this over two years later...I just noticed it today and, after noticing it, thought I should bring some attention to this sooner rather than later.

Is there some index on tvtropes about self-help books? I have other websites I can check, but it has scifi literature, fantasy, young adult, mystery, horror, etc. so I guess there was this too.