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resolved Does YMMV have a different standard for natter than Main? Anime
Hi,
This edit
for YMMV.The 100 Girlfriends Who Really Really Really Really Really Love You strikes me as natter. I was looking to edit the paragraph so that it doesn't look like the wiki arguing with itself, but before I do, I wanted to check whether YMMV has a different (lower?) standard for natter than Main.
My reasoning is given that the opinions expressed in YMMV tend to be subjective, does that mean that it's acceptable for Tropers to respond/debate under an entry?
resolved Theme Parks under No Real Life Examples Please? What's the stance/scope?
So, on some pages under No Real Life Examples, Please! (e.g., Americans Hate Tingle), there is a folder for theme parks, which isn't too bad by itself, but several examples list entire parks (Disneyland Paris, Universal Studios Japan, etc) which are real-life places, so I want to question, does their inclusion violate No Real Life Examples, Please!?
My assumption is that:
- Specific theme park rides within the parks(Haunted Mansion, Small World, Wizarding World of HP, Super Nintendo World, etc)/characters original to theme parks/rides (e.g., Duffy, Figment, Hitchhiking Ghosts, etc) - Fine to add and doesn't violate NRLEP since they're works/characters.
- Theme parks as a whole (like listing Disneyland Paris under Americans Hate Tingle) - Violation of NRLEP since theme parks are real-life locales.
But I understand there is a grey area given the nature of theme parks (not unlike sports), and correct me if I'm wrong.
Edited by Tylerbear12resolved "See the subpage" vs. crosswicking Live Action TV
~Mariofan 99 removed
two Franchise Original Sin examples from YMMV.Obi Wan Kenobi and replaced it with something to the effect of "See FranchiseOriginalSin.Star Wars". I feel like this practice violates Crosswicking policy (i.e. I'm okay with having a franchise hub subpage but I think examples should still be crosswicked on individual work pages), but since I wrote one of the examples myself, I want a second opinion to avoid edit-warring.
They also failed to actually add the removed example to the subpage.
Edited by StarSwordresolved William Afton's self-demonstrating page Videogame
Long ago I created a self-demonstrating page for everyone's favorite murderous furry. Said page however was deleted because it was argued in the games Afton had too little lines to warrant his own self-demonstrating page.
Now, I argue we can make another one, mostly thanks to the collab between Five Nights at Freddy's and Dead by Daylight, which gives us a good amount of quotes from Willy and a pretty good idea of what his personality is like. Now I know some people will say "But that's not canon", and while it is true that the collab itself isn't canon (at least to FNAF), it doesn't mean the way he behaves in it isn't: remember everything that was put into this collab had to be approved by Scott Cawthon himself, and seeing how William spoke and acted in Pizzeria Simulator and AR (whose quotes are re-used for the collab) I'd say it's pretty clear that's how Scott imagines William's personality to be like (aka an evil theater kid).
resolved Question regarding recent entries to SundressOfInnocence
The issue I was having is that Dizzleboy added two ZCE examples, which I ratioed, and asked for context.
Instead, he added another example, for Evangelion, which is both inaccurate and seemingly fetishizes the character of Asuka. In her introductory episode, when she's wearing her sundress, she is introduced not as innocent, but as brash, arrogant, and egotistical, as well as self-important. And as I said, the language Dizzleboy uses seems...fetishist.
resolved Do NREP apply for spoilers in games where one server is perpetually ahead of the others?
So, while I'm editing the Reverse: 1999 Character page a bit, I saw this commented-out warning:
I feel like the NREP link is misused as it's more about tropes that have mandatory waiting periods. Also, When handling spoiler contents from a game server that is ahead of the other servers, is it disallowed to gatekeep those lore spoilers or refrain from adding anything about new characters once the fan translation is up?
resolved Permission to revert edit without conducting Edit War. Webcomic
On May 31st
, TF Razorsaw moved the character folder for "Zenith" from Digimon Liberator from the "Debugging Team" section to the "Other" section, with the edit reason "Zenith is not part of the debugging team, he was a Guest-Star Party Member."
I shortly after contacted them via PM and pointed out that, as stated on the official website, Zenith is part of the Debugging Team.
resolved What do I do with a fanfic rec if the fanfic in question no longer exists?
So I recently discovered that the links on the page for a Danny Phantom crackfic best known as The Crack no longer work. In addition, I did a quick Google search to see if the fanfic itself still exists in some form, and it seems it doesn't.
I already went ahead and sent requests for both it and its YMMV page over to the Cut List to be deleted. After I did that, I discovered that the fanfic is listed as a recommendation in the fanfic recs page for Danny Phantom.
So what happens now? Will the recommendation stay up, or will it have to be deleted soon since the fanfic is now lost media?
Edited by ArielLightningresolved YMMY page for The Cape (2012)
I've a question about the page for the comic book miniseries The Cape
. My question comes from the fact that long time ago, Eric Chase from the series was approved as a CM by the troper Ravok and since the page was created long after his approval, it is not on the YMMY page (in fact, there is no YMMY page abouyt the comic). Here's the entry:
Eric Chase is a lazy and selfish sociopath who discovers that his childhood cape grants him the ability of flight, and chooses to use this power to stroke his own ego. First brutally murdering his girlfriend after he becomes paranoid she is cheating on him, Eric, as detailed in the interquel Fallen, is struck by a crisis of conscience that he ultimately ignores, embracing his inner vileness as he massacres an entire group of LAR Pers he was hanging out with. Later using his own mother as a hostage in an attempt to burn his hated brother alive, Eric murders several police officers investigating him — a pair of them by dropping a live bear on top of their car — before downing an entire airplane his mother is on, killing her and hundreds of people at once. Though once a sweet child desperate for his father's approval, Eric knowingly and willingly becomes a monster in adulthood, refusing to take guilt or responsibility for his life and instead blaming everyone around him for his faults, and deciding that the punishment for them all should be death.
My question is if I can add the entry and the YMMY page myself, if I should mention it here, or if a thread for the matter exists.
resolved HuniepopCompletionist
Huniepop Completionist has a habit of adding ROCEJ-breaking edits to pages, multiple of them having been brought up in the ROCEJ cleanup thread. One of them was a Hindsight shoehorn that amounted to "The cameo by [creator] can come across as this after their later transgressions"...but on overdrive. Even after I sent notifiers, they replied back to me today about the edit in an aggressive manner, accusing me of being wrong and not understanding the trope. I'll post the HIH entry here and let you decide if it breaks ROCEJ or not. This is from Primeval:
- The cameo by wildlife documentary host Nigel Marven in season 3: episode 4 can come across as mean spirited when in a 2025 youtube interview
Nigel cited Primeval's fall season airdate as the reason for the cancellation of Prehistoric Park which Nigel starred in.note Prehistoric Park aired in the summer in the UK which meant that children who were most likely to watch it were outside instead of inside watching tv. The show did have amazing DVD sales and was a hit overseas, but that was after it's cancellation While Nigel didn't hold any ill will towards Primeval, the cameo now comes across as a bit childish and mean as in it Nigel portrays a Jerkass TV reporter and is killed off, with it heavily being implied that the reporter is meant to be a direct caricature of Nigel himself. As if the show is gloating about ending his series and implying he's secretly a jerk off camera.
Also the rest of their edit history
and reports of there edits in the cleanup thread
for good measure.
resolved Make Your Mark Page image changed without discussion
User FaolanCortez
changed the page image for WesternAnimation.My Little Pony Make Your Mark. I reverted it and explained he had to consult the Image Pickin’ forum if he wanted to change the page image, but then he changed it back again and claimed it was a “image quality upgrade”
For reference, this was the original image:

I’m not gonna change it back otherwise I’m dragging myself into another edit war. Any thoughts, or should I have brought this to the IP myself?
Edited by BlueBlazesresolved Colonel-Knight-Rider and The Super Mario Bros. Movie Hate
Okay, so a certain troper, Colonel-Knight-Rider, has been adding multiple They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character entries on the YMMV section of The Super Mario Bros. Movie and one of them especially stuck out to me as being especially nitpicky.
- Spike. His only reason for being in the movie is to drive home the point further that Mario and Luigi hated their old jobs, whatever they were, hence their plumbing business; and that they've received unjust derision for their ambitions, which they've already received repeatedly from their father. Beyond that, he does nothing to help or hinder Mario's quest to save Luigi. And, during the final battle, pretty much all Spike does is notice Bowser's castle popping up in Brooklyn before fleeing from the unusual sight. If Spike disappeared from the movie, the Mario Bros. would still undergo the same character arc of trying to win their father's approval. (By contrast, the activities of what many consider to be his 1993 movie counterpart Anthony Scapelli kickstart the Bros.' whole interdimensional adventure!)
Ignoring the fact that Spike's whole point in the movie is to be a minor character, he actually does impact the plot in some way by being one of the main reasons for why Mario feels so "small" and "insignificant" to everyone and adding to Mario's motivation of wanting to feel more important, which is what motivates him to fix a flooding in Brooklyn and therefore leads him and Luigi to the Mushroom Kingdom and the Dark Lands respectively and the rest is history. Also some weird 1993 movie glazing because Vindicated by History I guess.
Also the troper who added this, Colonel-Knight-Rider, seemingly has a serious vendetta and hatred towards this movie as they have been adding constant negative examples and downright complainy edits at times to their examples in this movie's YMMV section (with them also citing a random YouTuber, The Little Platoon, who gave a negative review towards the movie in many of their YMMV edits and examples for some reason)
This is their edit about said YouTuber in the Awesome Music section for some reason.
- While YouTube commentator The Little Platoon argued that the movie wasted a lot of opportunities to do something original with its source material to create a unique experience one couldn't get from just playing a game, he, too, stated that he enjoyed Tyler's score, citing it as the most redeeming aspect of the film by balancing the familiar with the new.
This is their edit about said YouTuber again on the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot section.
- Another complaint among fans, particularly YouTube commentators such as The Little Platoon, is that the movie wasted its potential to do something more with its references besides simply showing them to appeal to nostalgia for the games—specifically, to use them to build a more complex and intricate world with them and develop the main and supporting cast more, as well as to take time to introduce the characters and the world they inhabit to people who might not know who they are (sure, Mario and Luigi are pretty well-known even in non-fan circles, but not as many non-fans know who Peach, Bowser, Toad, Kamek, etc. are), in a manner similar to how the Marvel Cinematic Universe introduced its characters to non-Marvel Comics fans and expanded the Marvel fanbase as a result.
All of this implies a possible case of Single-Issue Wonk is at foot here. For example, this is a Kong section that they added to the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character section with an especially complainy part at the end that was edited out by another troper.
- The Kongs themselves. Even if Peach had never taken Mario and Toad to the Jungle Kingdom, Mario still would have trained more to learn how different power-ups work and how to navigate different obstacles, used the power-ups to be a One-Man Army and save Luigi and the other hostages, accidentally transported the principle players and Bowser's castle to Brooklyn, gotten a hold of the Super Star, and saved the day, just like he does in the final cut. In that sense, the Kongs, like a lot of stuff in this movie, were added solely for nostalgic appeal and contribute nothing to the outcome of the story whatsoever.
This is not the first time they’ve done this too. They did this before on January this year as well with just as much of an egregiously complainy addition at the end as well. I deleted this one myself because of how egregiously complainy it was as well as giving reasons as to why the Kongs were necessary to the plot of the movie.
- The Kongs. With or without them, Mario still would've trained to perfection (and likely learned more about how powerups work, so he'd know which to use to save the prisoners himself without Donkey Kong's strength) rescued Luigi, created a dimensional merge with the Bomber Bill, and saved the day with the Super Star, just like he did. Effectively, with the Bros. being a one- (or two-) man army, Peach didn't need help from the Kongs at all, but they were clearly included nonetheless to pad out the runtime and for nostalgic appeal, as were a fair bit of things in this movie.
I tried DMing them to stop with their seemingly Single-Issue Wonk behavior regarding this movie and they did at first adjust and edit their Kong example to be more fair and less complainy as shown here:
- The Kongs, at least those excluding Donkey Kong. Even if Peach had never taken Mario and Toad to the Jungle Kingdom, Mario still would have trained more to learn how different power-ups work and how to navigate different obstacles, used the power-ups to be a One-Man Army and save Luigi and the other hostages (possibly with a strength-granting power-up like the Mega Mushroom), accidentally transported the principle players and Bowser's castle to Brooklyn, gotten a hold of the Super Star, and saved the day, just like he does in the final cut. All while not being eaten by the Maw-Ray as a result of never traveling by Kong-made Karts. Although it could be counter-argued that DK's strength is necessary to hoist the prisoners to freedom, with the prospect of saving his species as his motive, the rest of the Kongs don't really get a chance to do what they were hired for after that and fight against Bowser's forces.
and I thought they had stopped altogether, but they have since then continued to add more negative examples like the "Spike" one as well as a So Okay, It's Average example towards the movie as well.
- In the view of professional and amateur critics alike, while the movie succeeds in avoiding Illumination's usual film structure and offers some impressive animation, orchestral scoring, and obvious passion for the source material, it doesn't offer much else beyond that. So, it's a fun, harmless means of escapism Mario fans of all ages with a good few memorable action sequences, and it took a labor of love to create every piece of eye and ear candy, but those expecting to see groundbreaking plot development, complex character dynamics, and meta-humor on par with those of The LEGO Movie or Barbie shouldn't get their hopes up high.
This is an Ass Pull entry that they added on January this year that I deleted for reasons explaining how it’s not an Ass Pull.
- Toad is somehow able to smuggle an ice flower into Peach's wedding bouquet so she can use it to freeze Bowser despite the movie not showing how he got it, let alone in a giant floating castle island made of volcanic rock.
I went to the They Wasted A Perfectly Good Cleanup forum
and they gave me permission to delete their They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character entries so I already took care of those.
Is there anything we should do about the others?
Edited by Fireball246resolved What if a work doesn't have an official English translation? Web Original
It's exclusively in Korean. There isn't any fan translations either. Do I translate the work's title and character names into English myself?
Edited by BriliantDropresolved Is "All-New Venom" page overdoing it a little with the Paul hate? Literature
I noticed recent edits to All-New Venom seem to be definitively describing Paul Rabin as an abusive asshole selfishly gaslighting and brainwashing Mary Jane into staying with him when she clearly still loves Peter Parker.
Now, I don't like Paul any more than... well... pretty much everyone, including the writers and artists at Marvel, but that strikes me as going into Alternative Character Interpretation territory—indeed, Paul being an abusive asshole who uses gaslighting and dark magic to manipulate MJ into staying with him when she still loves Peter Parker is mentioned under Alternative Character Interpretation on the YMMV page.
If anything, Paul is depicted as a Butt-Monkey who's effectively being cuckolded by the Venom symbiote and is disrespected by Dylan Brock at every available opportunity despite reaching out to the latter and trying to be a supportive father figure.
Edited by Arawn999resolved Does this part of a Pop-Culture Isolation example really qualify? Live Action TV
On YMMV.Squid Game, 8BrickMario
recently added
the following bolded sentence to the page's Pop-Culture Isolation example:
- Pop-Culture Isolation: The reason the reveal in "Front Man" that the Front Man is Jun-ho's missing brother In-ho was more shocking to Korean audiences but kind of got lost in translation internationally is because the Front Man's actor – Lee Byung-hun – is one of the top A-list megastars of all of South Korean cinema, and whose film Inside Men was explicitly referenced earlier in the series by Ji-yeong in the past episode "Gganbu", even mentioning Lee by name. While Lee has also played roles in Western cinema before Squid Game, most notably Storm Shadow in the G.I. Joe film series, neither Lee himself nor the use of Celebrity Paradox via passing dialogue are anywhere near as popular in Western media. From a Western perspective, imagine if a player sarcastically referred to the games as "our mission, should we choose to accept it", only for it to turn out that the mysterious leader of the masked guards is portrayed by Tom Cruise. Perhaps recognizing that Lee Byung-hun's reveal didn't hit as much outside of Korea, the show does pull off a similar casting effect for Western audiences by Season 3, where we see an American games recruiter played by Cate Blanchett!
The issue is that this added sentence was apparently to mention how the series "corrected" the pop culture issue with another big-name actor, but I don't really get how it can parallel to the issue of Western audiences not regarding Lee Byung-hun as much as Cate Blanchett, since the latter's character is someone who appears only once (unlike the former's major role) and didn't first appear masked before then having their face visible to amaze audiences at the actor, nor is there any mention or reference to said actor and/or their other roles beforehand.
I'm wondering, could this added sentence feel too redundant for what the example is referring to? What are your thoughts?
Sent a PM to 8BrickMario so they can be aware of this query, by the way.
Edited by Inky100resolved Is spoilering out an entire example fine with the spoiler policy? Western Animation
So I noticed on both WesternAnimation.K Pop Demon Hunters and YMMV.K Pop Demon Hunters that the same troper, ReginaldOgron5, edited two separate entries for the same reason: they're both completely
spoilered out
(though for the YMMV example I can at least understand a little more, with the Fan Wank explanation).
My concern is... there's multiple other completely spoilered out examples on both of those pages? And the thing is, not only are both of those examples not Self Fulfilling Spoilers, but they're also... actual spoilers that should be spoilered?
So I'm just wondering... is this correct? Is a completely spoilered out example fine?
Edited by Eisnerresolved Question about Recap Pages
Are Recap pages allowed to have tropes referencing or mentioning a later episode of the same show or another work in the series? I ask this because I was looking through some of the Recap pages for Avatar: The Last Airbender and a large number of them contain either trope examples referencing a later episode or trope examples referencing a different work entirely. Like these examples in Avatar: The Last Airbender "The Swamp"
- Foreshadowing:
- The mask cart that passes Iroh and Zuko in the opening scene bears the Blue Spirit mask. At the end of the episode, Zuko reassumes his Blue Spirit alter-ego.
- The Foggy Swamp Tribe's unorthodox application of waterbending (bending the water within the plants) foreshadows darker applications of the art shown later.
- The spirit vine that hits the bird at the end, and the swamp itself, which foreshadow a big revelation in The Legend of Korra about the Spirit World.
- While begging for money, Iroh sings a song about how great the girls from Ba Sing Se are, much to Zuko's irritation. Later, Iroh hooks Zuko up with a Ba Sing Se girl.
I'm pretty sure that this isn't allowed as Recap pages are about tropes that occur in that specific episode, but I wanted to ask and make sure first before I edit them out
resolved Fairly new troper making suspicious edits
~stemy is a troper who joined around May this year, and in the TRS just posted an improperly-formatted thread
for All Gays Are Pedophiles whose entire point of concern is not just something that can be sorted out in a Trope Description repair thread, but is also pretty eyebrow-raising, because it takes umbrage with the "Nowadays this is a Discredited Trope" part:
Out of curiosity, I went to check on their edit history, and while there's a decent amount of impartial, non-problematic edits, there were a few that definitely blinked as being a bit agenda-y:
- Adding an improperly-indented justifying edit
to Just Ignore It that segregates "trolls" and "internet jerks" in a vague way, phrased as to imply that Just Ignore It is an invalid practice. This has since been removed.
- Adding an entry
to BrokenAesop.Harry Potter criticizing JK Rowling for "breaking her own morals" based on her real-life history of transphobia. This has also since been removed.
- Adding this entry
to UncertainAudience.Live Action Films that only exists to complain about Ghostbusters (2016) and Ocean's 8 in the same sentence (two movies separated by a few years and by different studios) solely on the basis of "has female cast", uses language like "They are seen as useless and effortless remakes by the majority of the public, looks like a liberal fanservice for conservatist audience and disorienting liberal audience not knowing if the gender bending was supposed to be a really clumsy representation of women or mocking their revendications[sic?] for more diversity."
- Adding an odd expansion
to Red Scare in the sentence "The Red Scare is different from works genuinely critical of the Soviet governments and specific aspects of the ideology.", adding "...and it often involves leftist ideologies that can't be remotely qualified as communism." I don't treat this as strictly inappropriate, but adding this without elaboration, especially in conjunction with everything else about their edit history makes me tilt my head a little.
- And just today
, they're constructing Analysis.Misaimed Fandom, an incomplete, improperly-formatted stub that wants to list the reasons for Misaimed Fandom, but presently isn't doing much beyond saying "fandoms miss the point".
Normally I'd just brush these off as incidental, but their TRS thread really propped up a red flag in them trying to push "people don't care about LGBTQ people anymore, conservatives are still queerphobic; I fixed your description". Did they ever receive notifiers of their previous and now-removed political edits? I feel like they should be aware at this point that regardless of where they put it, moralizing of this sort is discouraged and should be discussed beforehand.
Edited by number9robotic

- On November 23rd, 2024
, Tropers/BK-notburgerking edited the Adaptation Relationship Overhaul entry for Momo Yaoyorozu on The Best Case Scenario, if you're being "realistic", adding the detail "as they have far more respect for her (and less for Bakugo or Todoroki) than they ever did in canon."
- On June 11th, 2025
, Rebel Falcon (Myself) edited the entry to remove that detail, leaving the edit reason "They had plenty of respect for her in canon".
- The same day, not even 4 hours later
, BK-notburgerking readded the trope, with the edit reason "Not nearly to the same extent as here, especially considering how often others take the spotlight in canon", enacting an Edit War.
Putting aside the fact that just because a character is in the spotlight more than her doesn't mean they don't respect her, the troper in question enacted an Edit War, and already has a history of Single-Issue Wonk and enacting edit wars regarding the character of Momo Yaoyorozu, demonstrating Character Shilling for her and regularly acting as if canon "wasted her potential" despite simultaneously accusing her actual characterization as being the result of a Retcon, as well as regularly engaging in bashing canon while claiming she was "marginalized" and never got to "show her true potential" or had a negative reputation despite there being nothing to indicate that.This reached the point I had brought it up in ATT once before
resulting in their being suspended, had to open up another ATT just to get permission to revert the edits like I was originally aiming for
, and then get a notification half a year later because they responded to the ATT long after the decision had been made requiring I mark the topic as resolved since it already had been long resolved.
Requesting assistance in this matter, possibly moderator intervention as well. I would send them a PM notifier, but I blocked them from my PM's last year after the original ATT issue, so someone else will have to.
Edited by RebelFalcon