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resolved Is this comment contradictory?
So I was editing Inside Out and came across this comment below a obvious ZCE for All-CGI Cartoon stating: "The above trope's page says it allows zero-context examples since the title is self-explanatory. So, please, don't comment it out." Site policy demands that ZCEs should be commented out or have added context. This appears to have been added
by Asterlix last year. I did check the page for All-CGI Cartoon and found no notice at all supporting this. Is this the troper trying to get away with adding ZCEs by making up their own rules?
resolved Just here to troll
Oscar Baiter only seems to be here just to make unproductive edits, as their edit history
shows them making unilateral edits to only a few pages thus far, almost to the point where they blanked the pages.
I don't want to revert the pages myself, as I don't want to start an edit war.
Edited by YuriHaru567resolved Edit war prevention for a problematic edit Film
madorosh removed
this example from Lady Ballers
- Broken Aesop: While a common conservative justification for the type of transphobia seen in Lady Ballers is to protect women's spaces, the film also promotes the idea that women are always physically inferior to men including at sports, which is both misogynistic and condescending and undermines the alleged "pro-woman" bent.
with the edit reason: "doesn't make sense, the characters in the film mention the biological fact that men have specific advantages over women, which in general is true. Not sure what 'transphobia' is being displayed - everything in the film is played for laughs"
I don't wanna cause an edit war, but the example was valid. The film tries to present itself as pro-women but the film very much plays on the supposed belief that men, even the weakest men apparently who are out of shape and washed out and haven't exercised in years, are more physically abled and skilled at sports than the most trained female athletes. Which very much does go against the film's supposed "feminist" message.
Again, I want to cause no edit war so I brought it here.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2resolved About this entry on Truth In Television
This trope is Never a Self-Made Woman, but it's in TruthInTelevision.D To F with the trope name potholed to a different phrase (which violates "Do Not Alter or Pothole the Trope Name"). Should this be changed, and how?
- Female Success Is Family: Patriarchial cultures, some matriarchial cultures, some religions, etc. believe this to be true, as do some women themselves, whether influenced by the culture or claiming not to be. It was also seen as absolute truth in most Western societies until around The '60s. It's not objective truth, as much as a controversial assumption a lot of people in real life do unfortunately make, and by which they judge other women.
resolved Does "Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things" cover hatedoms?
About a week ago, Nemlei, the creator of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley and other titles, ended their online presence and removed themselves from fandom interactions after some users of an anonymous forum board attempted (and failed) to doxx them.
~EndarkCuli initially added this entry to YMMV.The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley (which was then moved to Trivia.The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley by ~SoyValdo7), which was later edited by ~Konnor to specify it was "outside" of fandom.
- Despite the game itself having overall positive reviews, outside fandom reactions to one of the potential endings of Episode 2 led to the original creator terminating their online presence; while they will be continuing to work on story and art for the full version offline, Kit9 Studio was given ownership of the property and tasked with community management.
Setting aside that the doxxing started on a board that is notable for extreme transphobia and only started under the assumption the creator was transcontent warning The original post refers to Nemlei as "[transphobic slur] behind [the] cannibal incest game", mockingly uses neopronouns for them (when they have never specified such pronouns), users in the thread accuse the devs of being trans and groomers, you get the idea., they're clearly not fans of the work itself.
In my opinion, it doesn't count as Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things. Can I cut this?
Edit: Sorry, I cited the wrong person as adding the entry. SoyValdo7 only moved it to the Trivia subpage.
Final edit: Entry (and page since it was the only Trivia item) has been cut. Locking as resolved.
Edited by lapistierresolved Edit War regarding unconfirmed info (Genshin spoilers)
Ebro 4920 added that the Abyss Order returned in Fontaine AQ as the Arc Villain here
, when it's just the All-Devouring Narwhal, which has no indication of being affiliated with it.
I removed it
but they readded it
, saying "the fact that it's on this page implies that it's also part of the order," ignoring that the entity is on the "Independent Entities" header and that the Ebro4920 was the one to add it in the first place (I did not realize this one until reading the history).
I did PM Ebro4920, to no response. And I apologize for trying to Edit War myself
(although I immediately undid it afterwards).
EDIT: Ebro4920 has since PMed me to remove the aforementioned Out of Focus entry entirely not only for the unaffiliated entity but also for the Abyss Order's role in Chapter III's Caribert (which is pretty recent), so it's all good.
Edited by Exaskliriresolved Strange, complainy creator page
I just noticed that the creator page Creator.Ake Ohlmarks is, to say the least, a bit unusual. It starts as a normal creator page, saying that he was a Swedish scholar and author, and briefly lists some of his works and that he's infamous for his translation of The Lord of the Rings.
Then it launches into a long, detailed list of why this translation is so bad. This makes up about 95% of the page.
One take is that all this is pure complaining. The criticism is not unfair: he took far too many liberties with the source material and committed many outright translation errors, and Tolkien himself was not pleased. But, still, spending 95% of a creator page blasting one of his many works seems like complaining to me, no matter how deserved the criticism is.
You could argue that all this should just be cut as complaining. But the analysis is somewhat interesting, so I'm wondering whether it can be salvaged in some way, perhaps as an Analysis page. Or is it OK to have this on the Creator page? That's why I'm not taking this directly to Complaining cleanup.
Edited by GnomeTitanresolved Dethroning Moment About Rae Mills
From DethroningMoment.Web Original:
- JEFFWONTLEAVE: I personally think that commentary videos get a bad rep nowadays. They have drastically improved from what they were back in 2011 with much more insight and humor. One prime example of this is Rae Mills, considered by many to be the best one out there. Which makes her DMOS, Response to Mr Enter
even more painful. The video itself could have been better if it was worked into a main commentary on her channel or People who did the B.O.P commentary on Mr.Enter's troll video did the response, but instead it's just a lazy response that come's across as filler for a Massive Multiplayer Crossover channel. But the main issue I had with this video that turned it From Bad to Worse was the last 3 minutes where she tries to come across as The Last DJ who is trying to help save the poor misinformed fans of this horrible person who made a video she hated on youtube instead turned the entire response to a very mean-spirited, arrogant and completely uncalled for rant about Mr.enter. For someone who is well known for being very well reasonable and yet still blunt and to the point, this seemed completely out of character for her and added nothing of value to the commentary. As a person who hated that troll video as much as, if not more so then her, I was completely furious with this video and was considering just giving up on the commentary community all over again, but I decided to give her one more shot and she did win me back. But I'm still not forgiving her for that train wreck any time soon.
For those unaware, Rae has been the subject of quite the bit of controversy since this entry was written (I'd rather not get into it myself). For that reason, I'm wondering what, if anything, should be done with this entry, or if nothing about it should be done. What do you guys think?
Edited by JHD0919resolved Unsure about possible sockpuppet (RESOLVED)
This troper's issues haven't gone totally unnoticed, given they've repeatedly
had to have
contentious edits fixed
, but long story short is this: SGC487336 has a history of making misplaced unilateral edits like these
ones
, tends to misuse/misapply Hate Sink as an excuse to wonk
, has wildly inconsistent grammar (compare this edit
to this one
) and in general just has a lot of customs violations. I sent them a notifier about the Eddsworld change on October 23rd that they never responded to.
The reason I'm considering that this might be Kissinger 113 is due to the account being created less than two days after the interim of their second
suspension
, with their (SGC's) first edit being:
- Arch-Enemy: Chandler becomes Lincoln's Arch-Nemesis since "The Waiting Game", "Schooled!", and for the rest of the episodes.
- Big Bad: Becomes the main antagonist of The Loud House series.
- Faux Affably Evil: Be careful, Chandler pretends to be nice and polite to Lincoln and his friends until he becomes aggressive and hateful character.
This was back when they had a more consistent writing style, with one of Kissinger's final edits being rather similar to both this and the second Helluva Boss entry linked above:
- Red Herring: Lori initially paints Carol out to be an insufferable Alpha Bitch who strives to steal her thunder, though it's subverted when it's revealed that Carol isn't that different from Lori and in fact possesses similarly leveled insecurities about Lori's accomplishments.
Admittedly, this isn't enough proof in and of itself, but given how active they both were on The Loud House pages, that one Eddsworld change where they merely made a cut-and-paste copy of the then-current What Could Have Been list without getting rid of the latter (which seems like on-site plagiarism, as opposed to Kissinger's being off-site) and the fact that Kissinger seems to have written this entry on TLH's now-deleted
Surprisingly Realistic Outcome page according to their edit history, something that was laden with stretches, ZCE's and some wonks (all of SGC's biggest problems with writing entries in a nutshell) I'm still suspicious about all this.
E: Resolved now; thanks Gaston.
Edited by Coachpillresolved Possible edit war, spoilers on headers Videogame
Yuusha Fan has added a spoiler tag
on a header in this character page. I removed the tag
and then he added back in anyways
. The thing he added is literally a big time spoiler. Also there is no edit reasons, already DMed him about it. Can I undo that thing? I've already undid it once and I do not want to risk an edit war myself.
resolved Possible unnecessary labelnotes
I found these labelnotes on Characters.Trails Series Calvard Arkride Solutions Office which seems unnecessary to me.
- Dude Looks Like a Lady: His face appearance is apparently androgynous enough that some people, such as Van, can't tell if he's supposed to be a boy or a girl, to his displeasure
◊. Though interestingly, Aaron and Feri actually question how Van could make that kind of mistake.Explanation While they (including Quatre himself) acknowledge that such a mistake would be somewhat plausible from a distance, Van made this mistake while face-to-face with Quatre.
- Kuro II reveals that Quatre is actually a Hermaphrodite due to the experiments he suffered at the D∴G Cult's hands, which explains Van's confusion. Explanation Van's sharper sense likely made him notice something is off about Quatre
I want to reword it but I'm afraid of making a mistake. Any other thoughts?
resolved Verifiable source for character name? Film
The Characters/SonysSpiderManUniverse page gives the name "Corinne Wan" for the Malaysian EMT that the Riot symbiote takes over in Venom, but to my knowledge her name is unrevealed in the film itself (she has a name-tag but I personally can't make it out) and Michelle Lee is only credited as "Malaysia EMT/Riot Host".
I checked the edit history for the page and the editor who added it cites the SSU wiki as their source, which doesn't provide any sources for that being her name... so is there an official reliable source for the EMT's name being Corinne Wan?
EDIT: Her nametag does say Corinne Wan, but it's hard to make out since her full name is only briefly visible at the beginning of the movie.
Edited by Arawn999resolved Anti-character bias?
On Super Mario Bros., Oneperson 323 removed Princess Daisy from the listed female characters in Action Girl, without explaining why in the edit reason. I reverted the edit and sent them an Edit Reason notifier. Normally, I would have deemed the problem solved and moved on.
Except, unfortunately, I spoted this edit
where they threw a gratuitous jab at Daisy in the caption of an image (and I've just noticed that they also changed the image itself, despite having been suspended beforehand for doing unapproved image changes, also on a Mario-related page)
I'm afraid this troper's personal gripes against the character are being reflected on their edits.
EDIT: Punctuation fix.
EDIT : Spotted another problematic edit, where they deleted Princess Daisy's example
in ActionGirl.Video Games
resolved Looking for a page
I am looking for the page where you can give ideas for adding examples to tropes, (when writing it yourself won't do it justice) for other people that want to edit the wiki but don't have ideas.
I thought I remembered looking at a page like that before, but after half an hour of searching I still can't find it.
3/29/2024 Posthumous edit: I originally closed this as resolved due to extreme anxiety despite not actually finding what I was looking for, which was Trope Idea Salvage Yard.
Edited by moosetwinresolved Ban Evader Concern?
Okay, so I'm not 100% certain on this, but the red flags are becoming way too hard to ignore. I think Planet Of The Primates may be Amour Le Fou because:
- They've resurrected Cartoon Monkey
, a TLP draft Amour was very interested in.
- They've resurrected Amour's "Stock Cartoon Animal Depictions
" draft, which was extremely contentious.
All that was just sort of coincidental though. What really gets me worried is their very similar edit histories. They frequent a lot of the same trope and work pages. Comparing their edit history is downright uncanny. It's the same deal with their forum history — they play the same games (which in and of itself wouldn't be incriminating, but on top of everything...)
So, that's the rub. If a mod could look into this, I'd appreciate that.
resolved Possible Word Cruft? Videogame
I attempted to ask this in the "Is this Word Cruft?" thread
, but haven't gotten a response.
This was recently added to YMMV.Mario Kart 8:
- Let’s face it, even if you hadn’t seen the Prefix Leak or didn’t know it was in Tour, you knew Wii Rainbow Road would be the final track of the Booster Course Pass, so it wasn’t even a slight surprise upon its reveal.
While it's not wrong, as others (including myself) were indeed able to predict the course, it just comes of as crufty to me. What should I do?
Edited by ChillyBeanBAMresolved Trope Launched Before It Was Ready
On the draft for Peculiar Penguin
, both Booplesnoot and myself expressed concern over the scope of the trope, both saying it was too broad and that the page needed work before launching. Bedford took some of our advice, but also ignored large parts of it and went ahead and launched once the trope drifted off the front page.
Is this kosher? The page had just barely passed the minimum wait time and had its launch announced prior, but to my understanding the launch announcement is to be delayed when there's an issue.
EDIT: Changing some of my wording, the draft had more hats than I remembered.
Also, is there a dedicated place to discuss recent launches?
Edited by MurlocAggroBresolved Troper camping on the Sonic Adventure 2 pages. Videogame
Troper L Fisher has been cutting multiple edits that portray GUN (one of the antagonists of Sonic Adventure 2) exactly as negatively as the game itself does, and making edits that partially exonerate them for committing mass murder ("but the Black Arms!"); they also tend to cut any mention that GUN was implied to be framing Sonic. While all this has been going on for a while, my personal last straw was them doing both of these recently, reducing the "Frame-Up" entry to a single sentence that isn't even accurate (Shadow didn't frame Sonic, at least not intentionally).
Not only is it extremely difficult to make edits about GUN on these pages, but I feel that this is treading uncomfortably close to apologia for real-world atrocities.

On YMMV.Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger, IncredibleFulk1 added
this example under Harsher in Hindsight, in light of the at-the-time passing of Jason David Frank, who played Burai's counterpart Tommy Oliver. The example was later deleted
by Anicomicgeek with an edit reason of "As tragic as Frank's passing was, death it-and-of itself doesn't count." However, another example related to Frank's death was added by Donnatemple on May 24th, 2023, under different wording:
Unlike the previous example, this one flew under the radar for at least eight months, with no-one questioning if this example should count as being Harsher in Hindsight. Even if it was a case of that trope, it falls flat because neither Burai or JDF's deaths have anything in common (the former had a time limit that would put his life on the line; the latter due to personal and health issues that culminated in his demise via suicide). I would understand if it was Burai's actor, Shiro Izumi, who died and not his Western counterpart, but even then I doubt it would be from living on borrowed times. The only connection I could find is Izumi voicing his condolences to JDF
, but it wasn't related to either show. Any thoughts?
(and yes I don't know much about Zyuranger so I think I might have gotten Burai's death wrong)
Edited by ToonAbby