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resolved Is this an example of PhlebotinumProofRobot? Webcomic
Trope summary: most of the cast in a work is being affected by something, except for one... because they're a robot.
So: Schlock of Schlock Mercenary is descended from self-repairing computer memory/storage units. One storyline had the crew finding out some politically sensitive information, and having their memories modified as a result. Schlock was able to bypass this by using his 'biology' to make a backup of his real memories, and restoring them later.
resolved How to make a redirect page. Western Animation
I want to make a Nightmare Fuel redirection for OPAL, so it redirects to the Nightmare fuel page for Jack Stauber. All the examples regarding Opal are already on the Jack Stauber page, and there's no existing page on Nightmare Fuel for Opal by itself.
resolved Reporting self-recommended fanfic
I noticed that on the Zootopia fanfic recs page, a troper added their own fic a few years ago,
then added other people's names to the rec after the fact. I hid it at first, then looked over ATT for precedent, then removed it entirely.
Is there anything else that needs to be done?
resolved Daylight Horror reverted
So, Daylight Horror was made a disambiguation page a while ago because it was determined
that something scary happening during the day wasn't itself a trope.
However, Klaiopoiso
has recently decided to ignore that and restore the page without any discussion. The closest was them bringing up in the discussion page
, but they the only feedback they got were two people agreeing the trope shouldn't have been cut. The decision to restore the page seemed unilateral, and they didn't seem to take it through the TRS. The page is also a stub, with only two entries.
Can I get a page revert please?
Edited by chasemaddiganresolved Are Page Images allowed to have triggering content?
This question feels kind of silly to ask considering how subjective triggers are, but I want to put it forth anyway.
It no longer seems to be up, but I remember at one point, Tearjerker.Thirteen Reasons Why had its page image hidden behind a content warning. The image itself was not graphic, but what it implied could be triggering and so that’s why the folder was there.
I’m wondering if something similar can be done for other pages. The reason I ask is I was browsing the pages for Film.Event Horizon, and the Nighmare Fuel page’s image contains major Eye Scream. Now, I know I am ultimately responsible for what content I consume on this wiki, and I can handle being jumpscared by Nightmare Fuel pages. Heck, I can even handle reading about the things that happen in Event Horizon. But reading about it and seeing it are two very different things, at least for me, and I would’ve appreciated a warning.
I can’t be the first person who has had an experience like this, and here is what I propose: a list of common triggers that images with those triggers should warn about first. Again, I know triggers are a very subjective thing, and it would take a lot of work. But it feels worth it to me.
Thank you for coming to my borderline vent session.
resolved Ban evader
Hello. Recently I have made a discussion on The Jungle Book page (and left an edit reason mentioning it without making any edits).
Currently only one user named Donner has responded to my discussion so far. While there was nothing suspicious about his response, I noticed Donner’s account was just created in March 2024.
While there is nothing wrong with a new user discussing things, and they haven’t actually done anything, I have made some recent discoveries about a recently deleted user named Thorion.
In the past I made an Ask The Tropers post trying to find out if Thorion and dkadugo were the same person, and geolocation proved it false.
However while they are not the same person, I have reason to believe that Thorion DID have another account on here under the username Jet 556. If that name sounds familiar, Jet 556 was a user who was suspended back in 2015(and I don’t think they were ever released from suspension, as their last edits were on July 30, 2015, though I could be wrong).
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=jet556&page=1
While Thorion’s account age was listed simply as “4 score and 7 years ago”, according to their edit history, their first edits were on July 31, 2015, while Jet 556 was suspended. And his first edits were on the same page that Jet 556 made his last edits on.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Thorion&page=67
It actually goes beyond similar edits and interests though.
Thorion had made several TV Tropes pages, as well as a fanfic rec, of fanfics written by a writer named, you guessed it, Jet 556!
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Fanfic.TheEvabonSaga&page=1
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Fanfic.EnterKenFinlayson&page=1
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanficRecs/Detentionaire
Thorion was openly promoting the work of someone with the same username as a suspended user here!
It seems like there was at least some sort of connection between Thorion and Jet 556.
Again, there is a chance I could be wrong(as I have been in the past). Maybe they were relatives or close friends. Maybe Thorion was just a big Jet 556 fan. Thorion would act like Jet was a different person whole talking about him and reviewing Jet’s work(though considering that Jet 556 was suspended, it’s obvious why Thorion would try to pass himself off as a different person). Maybe they are the same, but Thorion simply requested a new account and the moderators allowed it(though considering Jet 556 was suspended, I doubt it). But I would be very surprised if they weren’t the same. If this was already brought up and debunked, I apologize. I haven’t seen any evidence that this has been cleared up, though.
Anyway, Thorion deleted his account, and last I checked jet556 was suspended back in 2015(and possibly banned), so nothing can be done about those accounts.
I am only bringing this up because in his last PM to me before deleting his account Thorion said he would “accept whatever punishment he received”, but he deleted his account(and I don’t know if he did it while under suspension, which would be a bounce, or if he did it before), and now this new Donner account, just created in March 2024 after Thorion deleted his account, is the only person to respond in my discussion so far. And if my suspicions are true, then Thorion has likely ban evaded in the past, meaning there is a chance for him to do it again.
If geolocation confirms Donner is a different person, then that’s fine. I’ve been wrong before. Again, nothing really suspicious other than the account’s age. They’ve only made a few edits so far so it’s difficult to tell at this point(they edited on some of the same pages Thorion did, but Thorion’s edited on a LOT of pages and Donner has also edited pages Thorion hasn’t, so there’s no real evidence). I just want to know because a discussion can’t really be had against a possible ban evader for numerous reasons.
Again, sorry to bother you about this.
Update: Posted more evidence of Donner likely being jet556/Thorion in the replies.
Edited by Clownishchimpresolved User deleting anything related to the so-called "Soulsborne" continuity
Reginald Ogron 5 for the last couple months, against many other people has been deleting anything that regards FromSoftware as having a series in a loose continuity. Whether that be for Mythology Gag, or Spiritual Successor, or just a reference to a level in another Souls game.
This was their latest justification for a Fan Nickname entry: "Due to this game's legacy, many terms and mechanics that were translated over but retained the same identity are often referred to with their previous names. Therefore, Runes are still frequently called Souls, Sites of Grace are still bonfires, Incantations are Miracles, etc."
"Dark Souls is not Elden Ring's predecessor. I have never seen any of these terms used intentionally as a Fan Nickname, they are almost exclusively used by people who don't care about the lore enough to use the correct terms, I.E. they're just getting it wrong unintentionally."
Despite the fact the director has declared them to be in a sort of series.
He references Elden Ring in this context of "loose" continuity.
When he tried to remove the many concepts from old games that didn't make it in, but were used in Elden Ring on the trivia page, someone wrote this.
"Tropes Are Flexible and the page explanation itself explicitly says it allows for instances of recycled assets and concepts in dlc and the like. Elden Ring was advertised as a Spiritual Successor / "greatest hits" amalgamation of all the prior Soulsborne games, made by the same devs, and uses code and models that are directly lifted from the cut content of those prior entries, it absolutely falls under this umbrella."
I believe he's gone way too far, but before I revert his edits, I want to ask everyone's opinion on this question of Mythology Gag, and see whether it's actually against the site's rules?
Edited by smogmonsterresolved Victoria vandalism Literature
I'm on a self-imposed hiatus due to reasons, but this should be brought to the mods' attention.
Walker 45 has edited Literature.Victoria, calling it "a deranged piece of Nazi propaganda" and the like. They have also made forum posts
expressing overwhelmingly negative views towards the work and saying they will remove all mentions of it from the wiki.
Requesting mod revert of Victoria.
resolved Question about Fandom Rivalry on a web creator's YMMV page
So this is kind of a very-weird, very-major hot button issue (outside of this site anyway), but I feel like it should be addressed.
A few people have added to/altered a Fandom Rivalry entry on Illymation's YMMV page about recent controversy she's going through in regards to beef with another channel. The entry goes more in depth, but basically the issue is about a video they made, which spiralled out of control when she told her Tumblr followers to flag the video.
I'm worried about this for a couple reasons—number one being that a lot of what people currently know about the issue is...pretty grossly exaggerated. The complaint that she tried to deplatform TBYS, which first came from the latter himself, isn't very trustworthy; Illy's Tumblr account apparently had only around 100 views before it was deleted (given the lack of tags in her name
, I think that's pretty believable), and the way the strike system works doesn't account for the sheer number of reports, just judgment on YouTube's part after they see the issue; assuming he doesn't have any strikes already, they would just give him a warning.
There's a lot of other background that I don't want to address for obvious reasons, but the second issue is mainly about how recent this drama is; I know there's no hard-and-fast rule about No Recent Examples, Please! for Fandom Rivalry, but should it apply here? Mainly asking because we're still probably missing a lot of the full context for what precisely happened.
Just trying to give my two cents based on what I've seen/researched. I know I might sound biased (and I'd add more of the background if I knew for sure that it wouldn't add fuel to the fire), but I genuinely think the entry is problematic.
Edited by Coachpillresolved Validity of an example Literature
Wasn't sure where to put this, didn't seem like it belonged in "Is this an Example". I was adding something to ThenLetMeBeEvil.Literature and happened to find this:
- Fagin in Oliver Twist is such an anti-Semitic caricature that Dickens himself grew ashamed at the remonstrations of several Jewish acquaintances, mended his beliefs, and wrote much more sympathetic Jewish characters in the future. However, since Oliver Twist was so popular and has so frequently been adapted, the adapters have had to deal with the Unfortunate Implications somehow. Some of them have used this, depicting Fagin's villainy less as a stereotype and more as an understandable response to the grinding poverty and degradation he would have suffered due to the relentless classism and anti-Semitism in England in the period.
The whole example is basically complaining about Fagin being a Greedy Jew stereotype, which, fair enough! But the example
- doesn't even get to illustrating the trope until halfway through.
- isn't actually an example for the linked source material but rather about unnamed adaptations.
- is violating Examples Are Not General by not specifying any adaptations in particular.
So I think this should probably be cut. Agreed?
Edited by StarSwordresolved Self-recommended fanfic at GoW: Ragnarok, remove or hide?
Was cleaning up the FanficRecs.God Of War PS 4 and while checking through the history, Cisco The Soto had self-recommended their own fic
in 2023. On the one hand, that's in violation of the "No Self-Recommendations" rule at Fan Fic Recommendations. At the same time, there's already a Trope page for the fic created by Darklightprince in 2024. Should I remove that entry, or hide it?
resolved Stock Foreign Name needs to be split into sub pages.
Stock Foreign Name is becoming a very long page and I had plan to add more context to some examples, which will only make it longer.
I don't know if I can take this decision by myself. So that's why I'm asking.
resolved Edit War on Characters/UndeadUnluckGodAndTheSuperiorRules Anime
- March 17th, 2024
, Troper UnCorrectManiac changed the images for the characters "Soul", "Death", "Change", and "Language" on the Undead Unluck: God and The Superior Rules page without opening an Image Pickin thread.
- March 18th, 2024
, Troper Rebel Falcon (Myself) reverted entries.
- Edit Reason: Image changes need to be approved via an Image Pickin thread.
- March 18th, 2024
, Troper UnCorrectManiac instigated Edit War by undoing reversion, as well as changed the image for character "Luck" without opening an Image Pickin thread.
- Edit Reason: If you believe the new images do not fit the page than feel free to make an Image Pickin' thread to argue your case, but at the moment it seems silly to revert them back without doing so. Every other image on this page was added with the Image Pickin Thread being needed before hand, I don't see why these should be any different unless your actually willing to explain why in a thread. If there is already a thread for UU I'd love to take part in it, but I could not find it myself.
resolved Quick question
This may sound silly, but when dewicking, should the item moved from Useful Notes page to Media Notes page?
My common sense say yes, but seeing there're 30+ entries of Media Notes namespace on Useful Notes, as well as Main/ like Theatre, it's occurred to me that the namespace itself might be irrelevant.
resolved Promotion to franchise page
What process must be followed if one wishes for a work page covering a series to be "promoted" to a franchise page? Such as if the series has already gathered a lot of installments, and it may start getting unwieldy for a single page to list a lot of tropes that only apply to specific installments rather than the series overall; or if the series extends to more than one medium. (Obviously, individual work pages would have to be made for each installment as well, but that's the easy part, even if it is time consuming).
In my case, I believe Len'en is at the point where it needs to become a franchise page, with each installment getting to have its own work page. The reasons will be laid out across the upcoming paragraphs.
There are already five games (and a sixth is in development), and the fourth game in particular, Len'en Ten'eisenki ~ Brilliant Pagoda or Haze Castle, due to its very different gameplay from previous installments and its sheer amount of content, will eventually gather too many tropes that apply only to itself and no other games in the series, which can get unwieldy when everything is listed on a series-wide page.
Furthermore, the latest game, Len'en Cafe ~ Book of the Cafe already has its own work page, which is indeed very useful since it's an entirely different genre from the other games and thus will have several tropes absent from the rest of the series.
Lastly, the series isn't even just video games; there is a music video titled Critical Point Bidding Its Last Farewell and a music album titled A World Outside Fantasy ~Len'en Mugenri~. (Albeit neither has been mentioned on the Len'en page in this wiki yet; I thought of adding them myself but am holding off on editing the page any further to focus on settling my concerns here).
Several weeks back, I made a discussion post on the work page summarizing my concerns in one paragraph to see if anyone agrees with my assessment, but it has been ignored due to low activity on the page.
(Oh, and while we're at it, the page should use the full title of the series, Len'en Project, just like how the page for Touhou was changed to Touhou Project for the same reason).
So, is there a specific forum or thread or other kind of place where I should take these concerns so whether it can be done is discussed and decided, or anything else I'm supposed to do to formally propose/enact the change?
Edited by yokaipinataresolved Is my grammar good enough with Grammarly?
So I posted my Get Help With English forum like the one below two days but no one checked it so the next day I reposted it again but still, no one checked it. Is it because it doesn't need to be fixed because of Grammarly or because I was punished for my past actions? Here's the post that I was talking about.
- Tampering with Food and Drink: In the end, when Brittney and her presumed dead mother celebrate their victory, her mother takes a slip of the drink that Brittney hands out to her, she says that the drink is strong. Brittney gives a smug smile and quote "They do make them strong here, don't they?", implying that Brittney poisoned her mother to get the money for herself.
- Food Fight: Combine with Cat Fight. When Emilia refuses to move while Ivy politely tries to leave during the family dinner with The Ardiente Family, Ivy grows impatient and shoves the cake (that Emilia was holding) to Emilia's face and an enraged Emilia starts fighting with Ivy while the cake smears on them.
Is my grammar good enough to send?
Note: Yes, I am aware that there are other volunteers and I shouldn't rely on one person but two days ago and probably today they were not available. And I am a changed person so I didn't beg in a post nor I do send a pm complaint about something anymore.
Edited by Bubblepigresolved "Stealing" someone else's edit?
I know this wiki isn't actually about credit for providing examples, context and such but is it actually possible to "steal" and edit of a page, i.e. delete the entry and then add it yourself in a way it doesn't show in page history?
I don't remember every single thing I wrote here but still have a disturbing suspicion that I was the one who wrote this entry
.
resolved Question about adding two colliding YMMV tropes at once:
So Silent Hill: The Short Message came out last month to a pretty polarized reception, and there's a specific dynamic about it I want to document about it, that being the debate on whether it's "a real Silent Hill game" or not. There's been a lot of different directions on it I felt could be covered, but I'm specifically interested in how detractors come in both It's the Same, So It Sucks and They Changed It, Now It Sucks! varieties, with the entries being something like:
- It's the Same, So It Sucks, referring to how some critics accuse it of being a watered-down imitation of earlier formulas established in the series, including the "journey through a horror landscape that's a metaphor for the protagonist's trauma and repressed guilt" codified by Silent Hill 2, but not as interesting.
- They Changed It, Now It Sucks! (probably the more common criticism) in that the game focuses more on "modern" Survival Horror game tropes and features a story that some accuse of being more "trendy", melodramatic, and not like "real" Silent Hill (I've seen the focus on teenage depression, abuse, and suicide being compared to unfavorably to Life is Strange).
I trust myself in not veering too hard into complaining (I actually like the game for the most part and find the divided response interesting), but I was wondering if adding these two directions at once might be actually more appropriate as a Broken Base entry, and that it's not kosher to put these points down until the requisite 6-month waiting period has passed. I don't think these audience reactions are mutually exclusive — there are different nuances to what either is referring to for what they expect from the game — but I just wonder if it's good praxis to trope in the way I'm proposing, or if I should just wait for the 6 months for a collective Broken Base entry.
Edited by number9roboticresolved ZCE re-commented out
i was looking over the YMMV.Charlottes Web page (mainly trying to find an edit I made, but not important to this query), and noticed that the Ensemble Dark Horse example just simply listing Templeton and nothing else had been already back-and-forthed over by different users:
- originally added as a ZCE in 2017
- jamaicanst01 commented it out in 2019
- and Pamina uncommented it in 2022 without expanding on it
i was going to re-comment it out again, but i don't want to fumble myself into edit-warring over it...

So I was thinking about adding a DeviantArt creator named "Femdom-OTS-Fan" to the Fan Work folders of the pages Victory Pose On Person and Over-the-Shoulder Carry since they create a lot of images depicting those two tropes.
They themself have explicitly
stated that they don't consider what they are creating to be Not Safe for Work (except if it is uploaded to a separate account which literally has NSFW in its name) since, according to them, physical female domination and someone being carried over someone else's shoulder appeals to them like sunsets appeal to other people. But I can also certainly see why anyone who is not them would disagree with their assessment of their own work. It is also worth noting that all their images are flagged as "Mature content" though I don't know for sure whether it was them or Deviantart who did this.
Since I of course don't want to violate this website's policy, I would like to ask whether or not in such cases, the creators intent of "This is not Rule 34" overrules any opposing opinions and evaluations by people who are not them?