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resolved Improper namespace
General.Sanctuaryverse has a General/ namespace that I’ve never seen used on any other page. Looking at the page itself, it looks like a Main/ page. EDIT: never mind, there’s already another query about this on the previous page. Disregard.
Edited by loserswithwifiresolved BaseBreakingCharacter EditWar on FFXIV Page. Videogame
Recently Final Fantasy XIV released it's newest expansion, and there has been division about the main focal point character for it, Wuk Lamat. Already people have jumped to adding her as a Base-Breaking Character (someone even put her on The Scrappy about two weeks after the expansion came out before it was removed), despite the expansion only being out for barely a month as of now despite the rules stating otherwise.
Walker B Riley recently added the entry after it was already removed, so I removed it and mentioned how the expansion was new and even if true needs to be discussed first because of how polarizing the subject is, but instead he went ahead and readded it to the YMMV page with the following: "Stop removing her from the list. Wuk Lamat is the single most basebreaking character introduced since Zenos."
Even if the BBC entry is not needing the 6 month period cause its an expansion, they still readded a removed entry without going to discussion. The entry itself is doesn't work well even if it is okay to add her as it is short and barely explains anything: "Wuk Lamat has divided the fanbase in two with her portrayal either praised or hated. The consensus on both sides is she did receive more story involvement that was potentially necessary."
Edited by keyblade333resolved Figuring out how to alphabetize strange example Literature
So, the work Orson Scott Card's Empire is listed on the work page as Orson Scott Card's Empire, however, every source I can find lists the title as simply Empire. I presume this was originally done to prevent confusion with other works of literature with the title Empire, however, currently, there are no other works in the Literature namespace with that title; Empire currently redirects to Empire which is itself a disambiguation page.
The reason I ask is because I was attempting to alphabetize a page and wasn't sure if this page should be put under "O" for Orson or "E" for Empire, which is, as far as I can tell, the proper title for the novel.
Thank you in advance for your help!
resolved where to send page that has improper capitalization
Sorry, been a while since I've been here + I've in general been tired, thought it would just be easier to go to ATT to ask where to send something to be fixed.
Found this page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheShowStoppers
and made a couple edits to it (hid zces, fixed wording in some places, added punctuation) but the capitalization of the page itself shows up wrong (shows up as The Show stoppers rather than The Show Stoppers.) Where do I go to get that fixed? Thanks
resolved Restoring parts of an entry (somewhat NSFW) Videogame
For some context: A while back, I reported a troper
(Halberd Stop Crashing) regarding some entries they added on The Legend of Heroes: Trails through Daybreak. In particular, they wrote portions of the Hotter and Sexier to make mention of homoerotic subtext. I removed since we still don't have much information and the game wasn't out in English, since having gay subtext doesn't automatically make a scene sexual. After a while, I got DM from the troper, stating that, "It's a fanservice scene". When I asked for further clarification and evidence, they sent me a .rar folder with screenshots from I can presume is the Fan Translation. At first, I thought it was a sex jokes added to spice things up, but after seeing the scene and using Google Translate, it was confirmed to be somewhat accurate. So I'm asking if parts of the old entry can be restored.
Further links:
- The files they sent me
(the linked ATT also has some screenshots of it but not all of them)
- The trooper's edit
- The Japanese version of the clip
and the English version
(note that I haven't watched the latter because, while I spoiled myself on some aspects of the game, I want to experience the other scenes as blind as possible)
resolved Very belated notice of an edit war
July 2024 update: They're back at it again.
Was doing cleanup, found an analysis page for Unproblematic Prostitution and an out-of-place headline reading "We now break from our usual entertaining content to provide a one-sided editorial as to why sex work is inherently bad. Because, clearly, this is the one right and true analysis of the sex trade.", which was edited the previous January by Iamcuriousblue. According to page history, this wasn't the first time it was added — they first did so in December 2022
, and after it was removed for vandalism
, they added it back in without any edit reason. They also have an edit history of trashing the page on the main
Unproblematic Prostitution page itself, as well as editing out this one passage of the main description
for "out-of-place propaganda for the Nordic Model approach to prostitution" when it was literally just saying an objective fact on some countries passing laws.
This user isn't very active, only between 2021 to 2023, with their editing-back-in-of-vandalism being their last act. I couldn't find any verification if they were at all suspended or punished for their behavior, but I do notice in their edit history they have a suspicious single-issue focus regarding the portrayal of women in sexual or otherwise fanservice-y scenarios, so treating the topic with that level of unprofessionalism is a smidge concerning.
Edited by number9roboticresolved Question about Zalgo as used in the title of a video
As has been established, the use of Zalgo text is not allowed on the wiki. However, over on YMMV.Si Iva Gunner, I noticed it being used in an entry concerning a video by Siiva. Thing is, AFAIK Zalgo text was what was originally used in the video title, prior to it being renamed — the text is just quoting the video.
With that in mind, is Zalgo OK to use if it's in the original title of a work, or no? And if so, should I retitle the link to match the current title of the video?
Edited by themayorofsimpletonresolved Is this allowed? Anime
A while ago I made this query
concerning an entry regarding Awesome Music. When I mentioned it in the "Get Help With English Here" thread, someone pointed out
that this user is self-inserting their own opinions (except for the commas, that were a necessary addition). They also removed the %% notice I added about ZC Es and grammar.
resolved User with problematic wonk over vtuber drama, and especially complaining about Nijisanji
As pointed out just earlier today
, there was a random entry
on VestigialEmpire/RealLife added a month ago by the troper WM-R that was just an extensive rant against Nijisanji, discussing all the backstage/corporate drama about the company and the handling of its talents. Because this was such blatant misuse I went to check and see if the original writer has demonstrated similar behavior in other pages, and it appears this does seem to be a pattern, especially within the last month:
- Multi-bullet-point rants about Nijisanji and Brave Group Incorporated in Abusive Workplace to discuss their real-life business controversies, in violation of the "real life examples must be at least 5 years old" rule (which frankly, that still sounds too generous for that trope).
- They also added
Abusive Workplace onto the Nijisanji page itself.
- EDIT: It has also been pointed out that WM-R originally came up with and launched the trope earlier this year
. It appears that they never actually had a consensus on whether the trope counted for "no recent examples" and "no real life examples" despite there being concerns about both, and after the page went live, they added in various "sneak-edits" of further documenting vtuber company drama with "do not make public until 5 years from now" notices
, so it doesn't even sound like they were even respecting their own rule.
- They also added
- Adding in many entries about vtuber graduations/identity changes
to Open Secret, most of which were removed as per consensus in the respective cleanup thread
as being in violation of real-life troping, only for them to partly add back in some content
without consulting the thread on the matter (despite them participating in it earlier
).
- Making excessive additions to Pop-Culture Isolation discussing Nijisanji, with very pointed focus on blaming the company for "enforcing" isolation because of its bad practices, while adding in a seemingly irrelevant paragraph about how hololive "avoids" it.
- Making an entry about the Hololive vs. Nijisanji rivalry in Quantity vs. Quality. While technically not an incorrect use of the trope as far as I can tell, it still reads as unnecessary and is reflective of a lot of the OP's anti-Nijisanji rhetoric.
- A lot of various entries
on Culture Clash ranting more about Nijisanji's business practices and how badly they mishandled one particular vtuber in specific, admitted at the very start to be largely speculative ("It's strongly suspected that...") with only minor focus on them being a result of actual cultural divides.
- A lot of entries on YMMV/Nijisanji about its various workplace allegations and controversies, most of which are written to skirt around YMMV guidelines, including inappropriate uses of Never Live It Down (which were since taken down as per cleanup thread
in violation of "no recent examples")
- They added most vtuber entries
onto Unperson/RealLife since February. While technically not incorrect usage, some of these entries are really freaking long and go into a lot of personal detail and speculation (talking about how one person crying as a result of a genmate being retired, or how fans got angry of a vtuber being retired, are completely unnecessary to the point), and the Nijisanji entries naturally read as very biased and trying to emphasize as being "drama".
- Also just in general violating a lot of real-life troping rules that would be insensitive even if it wasn't a vtuber (none of the tropes in question warrant focus on someone's suicide attempt, especially since it's never been actually confirmed and just sounds like gossip, in addition to being weirdly invasive).
I know we have a dedicated vtuber cleanup thread, but this user in particular has added such bad juju regarding vtuber drama across the wiki; can something be done about this?
Edited by number9roboticresolved Too Fanon for Ambiguously Related?
Under Characters.Metroid The Metroids, this was added to Metroid Prime/Dark Samus's Ambiguously Related entry.
- There are theories that Metroid Prime started off as a Phazon Metroid, allowing it to slipping through the seal as they are known to slip through reality, though this itself is a stretch considering Samus didn't encounter any Phazon Metroids on Tallon IV.
Is this too much into fan speculation for a non-YMMV? Or is it allowable given the speculative nature of this trope? (Note their Metroid relation is a mess of conflicting continuity and retcons.)
resolved Misuse of Deal With The Devil? Print Comic
I moved a Excellent Judge of Character entry from Recap.Sonic The Hedgehog IDW Phantom Riders Arc to Characters.Sonic The Hedgehog IDW The Restoration, re-writing and removed the pothole, as I thought it was misuse and believed the trope entry itself was better for the character page.
However, this recent edit
potholed Deal with the Devil for this entry under Excellent Judge of Character.
- Excellent Judge of Character: Zig-zagged. Due to none of the Restoration's members having talked with her about the danger that Clutch and his company possesses, she accepts a deal with him, seemingly unaware about how Clean Sweep plans on usurping the organization as the sole proprietor of cleaning up after Eggman. However, after Jewel makes it look like she was fooled by Mimic's excuse as to why Amy hasn't reached out to her, she gives a serious glare to Duo after talking with him in Issue #70, where she's starting to suspect the so-called "helpful" cat.
I believe it's misuse since the character himself isn't a devil, just a shady businessman, and the character, Clutch, has no analogues or parallels to a devil or satan.
The troper also put their edit reason as "Trope was cut/disambiguated due to cleanup" which isn't correct either.
At the risk of starting an edit war, is it reasonable to remove the pothole because it's misuse?
Edited by taotruthsresolved Jump Scare Video Example
One of the policies for the Jump Scare trope is that no video examples of it are allowed. Someone accepted a video of it, apparently. Same thing happened with the Potty Failure trope a while back.
Could one of the mods remove the trope link from the video itself?
Edited by HarmonyBunny2000resolved Resolving issue on Character page for Characters/ChainsawManDenji
On June 15th
, I added an entry for an averted case of Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male. On June 28th, Tropers/tetesuper0 removed it without providing an edit reason, upon which I restored it without triggering an edit war by reason of "Deleted without reason
". 5 Hours later, tetesuper0 removed it again, with the reason of "In charter 169 denji don't see the handjob as a Bad experience". I believe this counts as an Edit War on their part.
Even then, I don't really think that reason counts considering the context, namely that Denji has been known to try and embrace ignorance to avoid the sheer hell that is his life, and is a very mentally damaged young man who had just been in the midst of a mental breakdown, and has demonstrated self-loathing and even self-harm to avoid dwelling on the negative thoughts, so him thinking he enjoyed it falls in line with him rationalizing the experience so as to not completely shut down, supported by how, when they go to the sushi restaurant immediately after, he's largely on autopilot until he realizes Barem Bridge, the asshole who killed his pets, burned his apartment down, and possibly killed his adoptive sister, is sitting right next to him, with his immediate response being to try and stab him with a pair of chopsticks.
And even then, the incident itself was rape. Neither Denji nor Asa consented to Yoru taking control of Asa and using her body to give Denji a handjob.
Edited by RebelFalconresolved Confused by the FNaF WMG page Videogame
Hey sorry if this is the wrong place to put this.
Anyway, I have a WMG for the entirely of the Five Nights at Freddy's franchise, but there isn't really a series-wide section for the WM Gs like most franchise pages I've run across. It's broken into specific installments and there's an "unsorted" section but it's mostly just short blurbs and mine is pretty long. Also, I noticed there's a lot of guesses for the movie (since it was in production for like nine years) on other pages and I wasn't sure if I should move those to the page for the movie itself.
resolved Receiving random PMs from "different" users who actually seem to be the same person
I have been receiving strange PMs from users in recent months asking incredibly nitpick-y things about posts I make on the forums, that I have come to believe is actually just one person using a bunch of sockpuppets. They always ask similar, inane questions; use the same kind of wording; and always claim that, quote, "myself and others" are "confused" or "have questions" about something I said on the forums. It's too similar and consistent for me to believe this just happens to be random users who type exactly the same, ask the same kinds of questions, and claim that "others" were wondering.
The "users" who have messaged me include: Master Waldon, Speed Gamer, and varazthemage. All of them have been new accounts with no edits to their name.
I'm just curious if anyone else has been having this issue and if there's anything to be done about it if so. Thanks!
resolved Discussions on edit reason?
So, on YMMV.Jocat there has been
a back and forth regarding this Offending the Creator's Own entry:
- Offending the Creator's Own: Despite himself being quite left-leaning, the infamous harassment campaign that targeted JoCat due to his "I Like Girls" was partly from far-left/radical feminist people who accused the video of objectifying women and being perverted.
Now I don't know if the entry is true and I have no dog in rather if it is political bias or not, but the thing is that it seems like the tropes particularly this one
are using the edit reason for discussions. Am I correct that is what is happening or am I mistaken.
resolved Report Troper (technically part 3)
I'm here because a previous ATT
went very long and though I know it received moderator attention, I don't know how much the mods were able to see because of the length (and because the issue kept going after the initial report), so I wanted to make a new one to make sure it got seen. Basically, I would like to join in on reporting NicMasterTrope for several thread-related issues, including but not limited to CM issues.
- In April he was reported
due to possessiveness issues regarding My Hero Academia, specifically the character of All For One (AFO). In summary, after the character was proposed, Nic PM'd the user asking to take the writeup, and when he was not given such permission, he went in and edited the draft without permission. Later on, he tried to alter the writeup without permission again to add in spoilers in violation of those threads' two-week rule. He was reprimanded by Tabs
and said he would try to communicate better
.
- Recently, he again
harped on when an MB draft from MHA would be done. When the writeup was done, he proceeded to comment that he would make a few improvements
but didn't offer any insight as to what those were.
- In the first ATT on this specific issue, he attempted to summarize the issue as just voicing his opinion
and said that he's not acting "haughty".
- He then proceeded to "discuss" the MHA tree order
by basically saying that it has to go a certain way, even though that exact order had already been agreed upon
anyway. He framed it as attempting to discuss it because of "the rules", even though there was no discussion to be had on the issue by that point because everyone, including him, was in agreement.
- After that, he then asked if Riley intended to propose another MHA character for MB
and asked to take it if Riley wasn't - this isn't an issue in isolation, but the fact that he's still harping on trying to propose and edit stuff from MHA despite the work already being reserved speaks to how far he's missing the point of the issue.
- Somewhere in the middle of all this, they made a CM EP and deleted it when it got downvoted, giving the reason as "What’s point of creating EP in the first place if it’s still rejected despite providing valid points
" (implicitly stating that the counterarguments were invalid).
- This is minor in the grand scheme of things, but he double
posted several
times, and when asked not to do that, not only immediately did it again
but also triple-posted later
. He later proceeded to make the exact same
comment twice, but about an hour apart
- Beyond the issue of possessiveness and attitude regarding their own proposals, there's also just a general history of rudeness, which is not restricted to CM/MB:
- Here
, he was very rude to someone while downvoting an EP and only edited it out after being called out later.
- Here
, they bumped a previous post with like sixteen exclamation and question marks, seemingly just to highlight their impatience, and said it was irritating to be "ignored"
(he got a talking to from Bisected for that as well).
- Here
, back when the character of Vecna was in limbo (a stage play seemed to give him redeeming qualities, but no one had actually seen it, so we kept getting cut proposals based solely on wiki summaries), Nic joined in in asking if he would be cut. Six posts later, he furiously
told us to stop ignoring him and implied that he would unilaterally cut him if no one else was planning to.
- Here
, he asked a question about TVT rules vs. Fandom wiki rules, got an answer literally immediately
, and then reposted the question
and called it "important" while asking us to stop treating him like a "jerk" (as this post
shows in an admittedly snarky fashion, the Administrivia page the thread OP instructs everyone to read answers the question anyway).
- Here
, in a similar fashion, he once asked the ITAE thread to stop ignoring him and answer his question. When Libraryseraph responded that she didn't know why any of his examples might not count, he basically said that now it was her turn to explain herself
.
- Here
Basically, he has a history of being disruptive, possessive over My Hero Academia despite the series being reserved (which could have been solved if he had just been polite about it, since works get split among users all the time and Riley has a well-documented history of doing so), rude if he doesn't get the answers he wants in a timely fashion, and completely missing the point of the problem even when it's spelled out clearly and thus continuing all of the issues after multiple ATTs and mod warnings. I know the last ATT was seen by mods (Bisected commented on it to ask for no popcorning), but I also know that there was a lot of information given there in no particular order, so I hope that consolidating everything here might make it easier for the mod team to see our issues.
Thank you for your time.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99

Since really getting into Korean webtoons in the last two years, there's a certain character archetype that shows up in like 90% of romantic fantasy novels and I'm surprised it isn't here yet so maybe I've just missed it. Its become so common that people have even made jokes memes about him and different series have started calling the trope out even when playing it straight.
That man is the Cold Duke of the North! He has short black hair cut, red or blue eyes (and if they're red its distinct to either himself or his family), and a love for black clothing with bits of jewelry hanging off. He is also known for being an *incredibly* well-built hunk of man meat and yes we the reader will always see him with his shirt undone or off at some point to make sure we know how stacked he is. Despite appearing emotionless to everyone around him, his heart will thaw usually on first sight when he sees our lovely lady protagonist, who he will remark is "interesting." The guy has a tragic past and a reputation as a cold-hearted butcher of the battlefield, and his northern domain is akin to Winterfell in both temperature and regular monster invasions which he has take point in fending off for the rest of the Empire. His cold demeanor means a significant chunk of the story involves communication problems in the central relationship with the female lead that any normal person could resolve through a five second conversation. Also it means the vast majority of stories starring one of these fellows as the male romantic lead features a contract relationship at the center of it that everyone thinks the female lead is bonkers for entering into because of his fearsome reputation.
Do we not have this a trope that already covers this specific main character archetype?