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resolved Spoiler Question
Of course, just reading this might be a spoiler for BoJack Horseman. Just a warning.
resolved Name Conventions for Book Series When Series Name and First Book Title Are Identical Literature
The Last Dragonslayer is the first book in the four-book series of the same name (plus a movie adaptation of the first book). The page currently lists tropes for three of the four books in the series, the film adaptation, and for the series as a whole.
I'd like to break it up with a main page for the series and individual works pages for each book, but I don't know if we have a guide on how to properly label the series page vs. the page for the first book.
Should Literature/TheLastDragonslayer become the main page, and works pages for the individual books have numbers after them (like "Literature/TheLastDragonslayerDragonslayerOne" with a custom display reading "The Last Dragonslayer (Dragonslayer 1)", "Literature/TheSongOfTheQuarkbeastDragonslayerTwo" with a custom display reading "The Song of the Quarkbeast (Dragonslayer 2)", etc...)? Or is there a better way to label the works in the series?
resolved Bloated-if-not-questionable Cowboy Bebop At His Computer example Web Original
On the Trivia page for Jimquisition, there's a Cowboy BeBop at His Computer example that was added and serial tweaked across last November, and while I already take issue with the unwieldy length of the example, I watched the episode it's referring to, and I'm not sure it's accurate. Here's what it is:
- In "Why Emulating Nintendo Games Is Good, Probably"
, Jim kept equating Piracy and Emulation as one in the same throughout the video; which it is not. Piracy would be stealing a game rom to play on an emulator, whereas emulators themselves is the means to play said game. While they can be used to play pirated games, if one is prepared enough, you can just dump the games yourself (something all emulators suggest you do specifically to avoid lawsuits and copyright infringement). Jim doesn't seem to realise that emulators can also do a lot more than just play games. You can outright make homebrew games for that system, mod the game to make it look better with texture packs and custom levels, or use cheat codes to enhance the experience. None of this was mentioned by them, despite being perfectly legal activities to do, and also a draw to emulator enthusiasts. If emulators were the driving issue, Nintendo and other game companies would've attempted to sue them all years agonote and there is a reason most emulators are open source; to prove to the companies and their users that their code is not stolen from outside sources or was made with a leaked companies' data. The premise of the video is also flawed because they claim games media doesn't talk about emulation because it's a taboo subject, and goes off on a tangent about how the media relies too much on connections to get news and review copies. While the observation is mostly true, It doesn't occur to them that a press outlet featuring emulators semi-frequently will inevitably lead to the Streisand Effect; more people pirating games to try out the emulator because they heard it in an article that would otherwise not feature it (something Jim themselves is an example of; Jim went out and bought a handheld game emulator loaded with what they imply are illegitimately obtained roms because they wanted to use an emulator to protest against Nintendo's online service that they found out via a news article via Kotaku).
Except the video doesn't treat piracy and emulation as the same thing. In fact, going off of the way that Jim words themselves, the video acknowledges and understands that piracy is a mere facet of emulation more than it is the same thing. Jim's video treats it as part of the bigger issue of how Nintendo does nothing to make their service worth the money in the face of people being able to access their older games for free illegitimately, and it seems like that's the actual premise of the video more than the topic of gaming media being coy about emulation, especially since the early portion revolves around an article that's being anything but coy about it. More to the point, the video backs this distinction up further by explicitly pointing out that the Kotaku article in question isn't encouraging piracy so much as it's reporting on something that's proven to be possible on emulation software.
From what I can conclude from rewatching the video, this example seems to revolve around a lack of distinction that not only isn't visible anywhere in the video, but wouldn't have been important to the video's point even if it was. It can't just be me noticing this, right?
At the very least, the example looks like it could do with a trim and a tiny bit of grammar cleanup, if we were to keep it.
Edited by Akriloth2160resolved Poorly made stub with zero context examples
Cecile And Her Very Own Universe was created a couple months back with only two tropes (not counting the third one, which brings up that "This entry should be moved to the Trivia tab" message when you hover over it) that are zero context examples, and it's not indexed. The ZC Es were commented out for being ZC Es the day after they were added, but they've been uncommented out by the same person who added them with no change. Also, none of the examples end with a period mark, and "its lost media" should be "it's lost media".
resolved Why is "Battle for Woodland Island" replacing the words for "Web Animation"? Web Original
Apparently, "Battle for Woodland Island" is some kind of web show whose page on this site was created by someone whose username is similar to the show's supposed creator. Its page was created just one day ago on March 12. Did someone hack the site or something?
Edited by MJTrooperresolved Dethroning pages
So, I have this question as I have just noticed. Dethroning Moment Of Suck is part of the Darth Wiki and I guess not supposed to be linked in any main page, yet all the subpages seem to be main pages, just with the Namespace DethroningMoment. Is this supposed to be normal?
Edited by ElBuenCuateresolved Overzealous editing
An editor named wootzits is changing all the instances of the expression "up to eleven" — even those not wiki'd as a trope — to just "up", even when the result doesn't make sense. This strikes me as more than a little overzealous, since — as far as I'm aware — just using the generic expression "up to eleven" is still allowed; it's using it as a trope — i.e. Up To Eleven — that isn't.
What should be done about the matter?
resolved Correct Link?
On Caught Up in a Robbery, there is an example under Western Animation from the Bugs Bunny short "Bugs and Thugs". It was originally linked to Bugs Bunny which lists all of the works the character has been featured in and tropes associated with the character/those works.
St Fan has redirected it to the broader Looney Tunes. Is this accurate? If so, whats the purpose of the individual Bugs Bunny page?
Edited by amathieu13resolved Franchise/SCPFoundation
I've two questions about Franchise.SCP Foundation page.
1. Although it has enough works listed across 5 namespaces, most of them are Fan Works. Not counting what's also listed on FanWorks.SCP Foundation, the only work with wiki page here left would be on Wiki/ namespace. I'm not sure about this one due to the nature of SCP Foundation.
2. It also has two redirects, Franchise.SCP and Franchise.SCP Universe. The former has one inbound, the latter has three. Do we really need them?
resolved How and where can I request a page get uncut?
The work page for Music.Tonight Tonight and its associated subpages have been cut for a faulty reason ("We really don't need trope pages for specific songs."). AFAIK there is nothing to prevent such things, and besides it covers the associated music video, and has been indexed as such.
nvm saw the topic came up already. I suppose I can ask how to make requests in the off chance.
Edited by GrafVonTirolresolved Win Back The Crowd constantly being added to an unreleased work
People seem to have an issue with adding Win Back the Crowd to Sonic Frontiers. It has been said multiple times that the trope doesn't apply to pre-release, and that there is a waiting period, but it seems like they can't help themselves. In particular, one troper has added WBTC
twice
, and I've already had to remove it once already
(meaning I can't really remove it again without becoming part of the edit war).
resolved Character page images - size? Print Comic
Looking at character sheets where there are a significant number of characters listed on one page, with images for each one, I’ve seen image widths 350, 300 and 250 all used as standards. Plus a few where the images on a single page aren't set to any standard size (which can look a bit untidy on the page).
Administrivia mentions the 350 for top of page images, but I can't see any similar guidance on this (and 350 does look quite big in this context).
Is there any written guidance on this, or a consensus on which it should be?
Thanks!
resolved LGBT Fanbase example concerns
i am once again bothering tvt about hideri /s
so the LGBT Fanbase example on YMMV.Blend S lists that gender-nonconforming and transfem fans really like hideri (after a bit of tweaking from me, since the entry used to only list that GNC fans like them), but as far as i'm aware the common consensus on the wiki is that crossdressing and gender-nonconformity in general doesn't automatically equal LGBTQ+, and i feel like that part of the entry could be trimmed off considering that.
however, i'm a bit worried about doing so myself since it could come off as agenda-based, seeing that it's. not really a secret that i'm very much in the "transfem hideri" camp when it comes to the character in question, so i'm coming here for consensus. what do
Edited by worldwidewoomyresolved Troper continuing to make stubs
anthonydemesa has been making stub recap pages that are only composed of one example that has little to no context. For example, pages that consist entirely of:
Tropes:
Trope Name: X says this.(end of page)
Them creating stub pages with ZC Es goes back to when they first started editing. I also checked in with a mod, and they said that if they continue making stubs like these to make an ATT report. Alas, they are still
doing it
.
resolved Author's Saving Throw Entry in A Series of Unfortunate Events (2017) Live Action TV
Author's Saving Throw is now Trivia, but it requires Word of God / Word of Saint Paul confirmation that the changes made in the series from the books were specifically made to address the issues in the latter. However, the AST entry in YMMV.A Series Of Unfortunate Events 2017 has all its examples just listing the changes made from the books, even if they note the issues the books had. So should this still be moved to Trivia or should it be cut?
resolved Double tropes
Sometimes I found examples who look like this:
Development Hell/Schedule Slip or like this Development Hell —> Schedule Slip
Is this correct?
resolved Formatting issue? Videogame
On Resident Evil - Monsters (Mainstays), we have a bit of a problem with an image not formatting correctly under the Hypnos-T Type folder.
This is what the image looks like on the page as displayed:
And for comparison, this is the text formatting for the same part of the page:
[[quoteright:206:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/7yhxrvy.png]]
[[caption-width-right:206:[[labelnote:Second form ]]https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/ys1fgrl.png[[/labelnote]]]]
[[caption-width-right:206:[[labelnote:Third form ]]https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/hypnos_t_type_3.png[[/labelnote]]]]
I can't seem to tell what's gone wrong here since the other label-noted image is hidden correctly and the formatting seems to be exactly the same. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Edited by MinisterOfSinisterresolved One question: Is there a Good Counterpart trope for Corrupted Character Copy?
Basically an Inverted Trope of Corrupted Character Copy: an Expy or (most likely) parody of a villainous/antiheroic character which is actually heroic, and not an in-universe example like the Good Counterpart, or the same character but in an adaptation like Adaptational Heroism.
Edited by UzarNaimBer15resolved Stub pages for a (likely) invalid namespace
Today, a new troper created Blue Boys Heroes with only a few lines (no tropes) and a bunch of subpages that just say "Coming Soon" and nothing else. I've sent a stub notifier, but what bothers me is that the main work page is under "Fanon", which I don't think is a valid namespace?

Filk Song is about fan songs paying homage to a work.
Someone added a Filk Song entry on the work page of Dune (2021) about a Miracle of Sound song, I deleted it with the following reason: "It has no place on this page. It's a fan song about the movie, not something in the movie". The entry has been added back with this reason: "Tropes F to K, Tropes D to I, Mad Max: Fury Road, Stranger Things, and many more say it is an acceptable trope use". To avoid an Edit War, I preferred asking for advice here before deleting the entry again.
To me, that's not relevant because, as I already stated, this is about a fan creation about the work, not troping something which is part of the work. To me, a Filk Song may be troped on the page of its creator, but mentioning it on the page of the work being payed homage is at most a Referenced by… (which belongs to Trivia subpage). The justification "many other pages have similar entries, so it's not misuse" doesn't stand, because many tropes are chronically misused.
What should I do?
Edited by Psychopompos007