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resolved Possible Suspension Dodging/Improper Editing Behavior
So for a while now I've been going back and forth on the Aztec Batman: Clash of Empires YMMV page where this troper "thebendu" keeps editing the one meme entry on that page (a meme of Joker being "based" for siding with the Spaniards to stop the human sacrificing of people and children) where they kept editing it to paint the real life Aztecs as victims of the evil Spaniards, ignoring how that's not what the meme is. Their few other edits where also all focused on whitewashing how brutal the Aztecs were in real life, for what that's worth.
Long story short on that, they kept ignoring the rules on editing or provide any reasoning I reported them and they got suspension. Now I hop on and check that page, some troper who never existed before today called "Boobam 45" just deleted the whole entry claiming it to be "racist" and that it should enter the discussion forms (which they did not do, they just deleted it). Given this was with 24 hours of thebendu's suspension, and they still left an empty Memetic Mutation entry (similar to thebendu's past edits lacking proper formatting), I think this new account is just thebendu under a new name still trying to block that entry despite being reported and suspended once already. There has been no activity on that page aside from myself and them to suggest otherwise.
To be honest I find this whole thing ridiculous and exhausting at this point, this guy is obsessed with not letting a stupid meme be discussed, but the fact remains it seems like there's someone on this site concerned only with rewriting history to what they see as "proper" and is ignoring all the rules and regulations of this site to do so.
Edited by koryresolved Permission to restore Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry on YMMV/GenV Live Action TV
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.GenV&page=5#edit46057001
I added an Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry regarding one character’s redemption arc.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Cate in Season 2, where both she and Sam are given redemption arcs. By the end of Season 1, after having disregarded her friends' wishes once again, Cate (alongside Sam) led a school massacre to purge God U of humans, regardless of if they were complicit in the Woods. The Boys Season 4 had her eagerly pledge loyalty to Homelander and round up dissidents to put in internment camps. However, the school massacre and the two's commitment to Supe Supremacy are either not mentioned or glossed over in Season 2. Sam felt legitimate doubt and hesitation during the campus massacre and needed his emotions wiped to continue on. After his emotions came back in Season 2 and the ensuing regret impacted him, he worked to improve himself, took responsibility for his actions, and gave Emma a sincere apology. Whereas Cate showed no doubt at any point during the anti-human killing spree (she coldly brushed off Sam's concerns about innocent people dying before offering to wipe his emotions to "help" him) and for the first half of Season 2, refused to accept that anything was her fault and blamed everyone but herself for her misfortune. She only ever acknowledged wrongdoing by episode 7 after she found out Marie could heal her. Yet, throughout the entirety of Season 2, she never gives the gang a sincere apology that she doesn't diminish by then bringing up how she didn't deserve the "murder attempt" on her, which was just Jordan protecting Marie from Cate in self-defense after the latter tried to control Marie into giving up information on Starlight. All in all, Cate came across as caring more about what she did to her friends and wanting back in the group than regretting any of her other terrible crimes, making her redemption feel very much unearned. This feeling wasn't helped by the show also seeming to inexplicably equate Marie lifting her friends off the ground for a few minutes in an attempt to protect them from Cipher (whose puppeteering powers they had no defense against) to the several atrocities Cate committed by abusing her powers.
It was removed on two separate occasions (sorry, I wasn’t aware of the rules. That’s my fault) for these reasons:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.GenV&page=5#edit46056103
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.GenV&page=5#edit46059563
When they came to rescue her in episode 5, Cate was happy but she didn’t actually say that SHE did anything wrong. She just said she was shocked they came “after everything.” Her telling Sam they “hurt people” seemed more like an attempt to get him to back off wanting her to erase his emotions, which she certainly would have done if her powers were working right (she even did it once without his consent earlier this season). And her promise to not use her powers on her friends again doesn’t hold much water since 1.) It’s easy to say that and commit to it when she doesn’t actually HAVE powers at the time, and 2.) She was already given MANY chances in season 1 by the gang to stop doing just that which she didn’t take. It also doesn’t help that she’s guilty of several instances of sexual assault. There were the guards in season 1 she could have easily just put to sleep. And there was arguably her sexual relationship with Golden Boy where she repeatedly wiped certain memories that would’ve made him rightfully repulsed by her. If he had encountered Cate during his maddened rampage, he surely would have given her the same treatment he gave Brink. The Boys universe (rightfully) seems to treat sexual assault as one crime you can’t come back from, as demonstrated by Homelander, Deep, Tek-Knight, Firecracker, and Rufus remaining villains. Not to mention how Cate played along with Firecracker’s transphobic smear campaign against Jordan in episode 4. After Jordan called BS on Cate saying she was “forced” to do it, Cate’s only response was to falsely claim Jordan “tried to murder her and bragged about it in front of the whole school.” Overall, I feel Cate’s a similar case to Lamplighter and Victoria Neuman, who are listed under the Unintentionally Unsympathetic trope over on The Boys. Especially since she didn’t give a genuine apology to anyone and just suddenly seemed to stop hating humans.
Thoughts?
resolved Is there a point to having a Troper Page?
So, idk if this is a weird question. I'm intrigued by the idea of making a Troper page for myself but, I suppose, don't want to do it "wrong", if that makes sense? Why do people make Troper pages? What should I put on it? Is there a particular advantage to having one? Or is it just like a personal cork board to personalize?
resolved Soft Reboot Misuse
A few years ago I added Sonic Adventure to the Soft Reboot page. Fast forward to today and it somehow bloated to the point of absurdity that every 3D entry in the Sonic series is a Soft Reboot. Here's my assessment:
- While the Adventure games defined the tone of the franchise for several years, a period lengthened by a successful transition to Nintendo hardware, Sega then decided to go Multi-Platform with Sonic Heroes, a game that expanded on the playable roster (from six "main" characters in each of the Adventure games to a whopping twelve), emphasizing straightforward and lighthearted storytelling (as opposed to the more somber elements of death and destruction in the Adventure games), and ignoring most of the existing lore. No, it's a direct continuation of the Adventure duology. It didn't "ignore the existing lore". An expanded cast, a shift in tone, and a new gameplay gimmick doesn't differentiate it enough from past games.
- Sega then decided to exploit its then hottest character and gave him the leading role in Shadow the Hedgehog, but this proved to be such a commercial and popular failure that the next big console release — Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) — was openly described as a reboot in articles and press releases leading-up to its release (note that "2006" is not in the game's actual title, which is simply Sonic the Hedgehog, as though it were the first in the series). This game featured a massive Tone Shift away from a Doom-esque hellscape to a highly wrought and exotic setting typical of Final Fantasy, revisited Adventure-style narrative tropes like ancient evils and decades-old intrigue, removed any cartoony design elements (save for Funny Animals like Sonic and friends) — it even had a realistic Eggman. Maybe this can stay. I'm a bit iffy on this one since it still takes place in the Adventure continuity. My main hang-up is "thin Eggman" and Yuji Naka stating in interviews that he wanted to reinvent the franchise to be more like Batman (yes, really). Honestly the title alone gives the impression that this was a supposed to be a reboot
- With the failure of '06, Sega decided to rework its approach once again. After three games featuring Sonic's substantial list of playable characters, Sega began a more experimental period in two parts focused almost exclusively on Sonic himself. The Sonic Storybook Series featured Sonic in solo on-rails adventures in fantasy worlds derived from real-life legend, while Sonic Unleashed compromised between this approach and the Sonic Adventure approach to narrative and game design, with another ancient evil plot and experimental Beat 'em Up gameplay. Another notable element of this era was the reduction of Sonic's portrayal as a goody two-shoes, which had dominated his characterization from Heroes to '06, in favor of restoring his Mascot with Attitude personality. I feel like Unleashed can stay because it discarded the Adventure storyline, introduced the Boost mechanic that would go on to define the HD era of Sonic, and made Sonic the main focus of the series from this point forward as opposed to the Loads And Loads Of Characters of past 3D Sonic games.
- None of these games proved to be an especially successful new direction, prompting Sega to go back to even further basics with Sonic Colors: a pure contest of wills between Sonic and Eggman to rescue distressed critters (and in that sense a plot no more complicated than the very first Sonic the Hedgehog 1), with Tails on the sidelines to give Sonic somebody to chat with. Colors also notably employed a simple and lighthearted tone not seen since Sonic Heroes, but also an irreverent and tightly written comedic tone not seen since Sonic's early American cartoons. Colors was a hit, prompting Sega to borrow most of the gameplay and expand on its approach to the Classic era Sonic with Sonic Generations, and then providing a direct sequel to Colors with Sonic Lost World, which expanded on the outer space setting of Colors by employing design elements from Super Mario Galaxy. I don't think Colors differentiates itself enough from Unleashed to count, and I wouldn't call Lost World a "direct sequel" to Colors.
- With the failure of Lost World, however, Sega embarked on a new project entirely in Sonic Boom, an era of the franchise spanning several years' worth of video games, a cartoon, and comic books. Boom was a spinoff that reimagined the core Sonic cast from the ground up and engaged them with adventure archaeology and mad science more in the vein of Crash Bandicoot than of Sonic's historic high-speed platforming (no doubt thanks to the creators of Boom having been involved with Crash years before). Sonic Boom was never intended to replace the mainline continuity of the Sonic franchise, it was always meant to be a spinoff, so this can go.
- Sonic Forces, the first major core series title since Boom began, references previous titles while at the same time leaving out a lot of things from previous games. Most blatantly, there are no humans besides Eggman (there aren't even minor human NPCs anywhere), and though there's a world war going on, G.U.N. is nowhere in sight. Instead, for the first time in the games, we have Funny Animal minor characters appearing. The game also doesn't include some previous areas such as Station Square and instead takes place near a nondescript "City." However... There were no humans since Colors either, and no mention of G.U.N. since '06 because Unleashed basically did away with the Adventure continuity.
- Tepid reaction to Forces (and certain assertations about series lore during this time) ensured that Sega once again would backtrack from this new direction beginning with Sonic Frontiers, which notably introduced an "Open Zone" structure to the gameplay formula. Frontiers and supplemental works such as TailsTube would also begin "clarifying" more controversial Word of God statements made during the Forces era so as to no longer conflict with pre-existing canon while also Canon Welding the games to other media like the IDW comics and Sonic Prime and having a stronger, more serious focus on continuity over the more self-referential and often self-deprecating humor of the 2010s (often dubbed the "Meta Era" as a result). This could probably count, since the "boost to win" formula and self-deprecating snark from Unleashed and onward were finally abandoned in favor of open-world gameplay and a script that takes itself much more seriously.
resolved BonaFIDE's edits to Recap.SpongeBobSquarePantsS2E14WelcomeToTheChumBucketFrankendoodle Western Animation
Bona FIDE made these edits on Recap.Sponge Bob Square Pants S 2 E 14 Welcome To The Chum Bucket Frankendoodle:
- Unexpectedly Dark Episode: The episode from the revelation that Plankton has obtained SpongeBob's services to the musical number has copious, if not gratuitous amount of crying. And that's the tip of the iceberg, with SpongeBob's brain being removed and placed in a robot and the Krusty Krab actually shutting down! Holy overexagerating, Batman! This is not "unexpectedly dark". Plankton basically kidnaps SpongeBob for one episode and shenanigans ensue with everything going back to normal by the end. There are really only two scenes with crying and they're semi-Played for Laughs (any emotional tension is broken up with Plankton being a comedically massive jerk). SpongeBob's brain being removed is also Played for Laughs given how we don't see the operation, Plankton's plan fails miserably regardless and SpongeBob gets his brain back in short order, and the Krusty Krab is shut down for a grand total of about 10 seconds. Also a Pothole to a Moments page. Yeah that song in the middle of the episode made me weepy as a kid but it's followed up with more typical SpongeBob hijinks. This is no darker than your typical SpongeBob episode.
He added Just Eat Gilligan to the page even though it's YMMV now and even then, it makes no sense: Plankton couldn't control what Mr. Krabs was going to bet: his secret recipe (which, let's face it, he would probably never in a million years do even if he was confident he would win) or SpongeBob's employment contract. He also added a Sinkhole elsewhere on the page.
- Just Eat Gilligan: Plankton admits he threw card games so that Mr. Krabs would bet something valuable, but despite the idea of betting the physical formula being mentioned twice (one time by Plankton himself), Plankton goes for SpongeBob instead for some reason.
He changed the word "punk" to "jerk" several times for some reason.
Edited by supernintendo128resolved Questions about a problematic Nightmare Fuel page Videogame
NightmareFuel.Little Big Planet is currently only a one paragraph long page with incorrect grammar and citing user-made content as its nightmare fuel. I have a few questions about this.
- Just to be sure, can this page be cut for being a stub? I'm not sure how page length limits apply to Moments subpages. If so, I'll sent a notifier to the page creator and send the page to the cutlist if they don't respond or edit the page in a few days.
- Can user-generated content be used as examples on the main pages for the games they come from? LittleBigPlanet itself is a game that is heavily focued around its level editor, but it has its own story and levels outside of that, making it a game rather than a platform like Roblox.
Local Odd Squad Connoisseur
resolved Question about troping upcoming material
So recently the Instagram account of one of the actors on Odd Squad UK posted a filming wrapup video that includes a few spoilers for an upcoming Season 2. It's public so it wouldn't fall under Content Leak, but I just want to confirm if the stuff in that video is okay to trope or not — the season itself was publicly announced to be in production a while back but there's no release window or date set for it yet.
Edited by ilovewildkratts1resolved Discussion pages spam complaining about Sinfest images
burglesnur has made a total of 57 comments
today alone on the discussion pages of tropes/one index with a Sinfest panel as the image, with the post each time being:
Issues with Sinfest itself aside, surely this violates Rule 1, right? If it was just a single post it would be one thing, but this is...well, a lot more than that. I don't know if it could be considered a Single-Issue Wonk since they've made unrelated discussion posts and their edits seem to be fine, but at any rate it's not okay.
Edited by Coachpillresolved How do I link Metamorphosis as trope on another page?
When I try to add Metamorphosis as an example of a trope for a certain work it doesn't hyperlink to the main page. I put the asterisk, a space, then Metamorphosis with a colon after (see below), but it doesn't turn blue or hyperlink to trope itself.
- Metamorphosis:
resolved Assistance with Example/Crosswick Anime
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ColdTouchSurprise
Someone added a video to Cold Touch Surprise. Now, the video fits the trope well, as far as I'm concerned. However, whoever added it didn't do an example write up for the series it depicts, and I myself am not familiar enough with the work to be sure I get all the respective details correct.
Would anyone familiar with the series please add the write up and crosswick it?
Edited by QPCwBresolved Removal of references to autism and Aspergers
Hi folks. Recently I've noticed that Trial Purple Cube has been going through tropes and removing any examples that pertain to autism or Aspergers, claiming it's "cleaning up word cruft." I agree that some of the entries could stand to be looked at, but these are entire deletions without reason (including an entry that discusses Dr. Asperger himself).
I've sent several notifiers, and normally would just revert and move on, but this is a hot button issue so wanted to get community consensus first. It seems to be a Single-Issue Wonk for this user as well, as it makes up all but two entries of their six-month account history.
Edited by Faelwynresolved DisillusionedCheetah100 spiraling Western Animation
Hi. I hope this is not the wrong place to report this but Disillusioned Cheetah 100 has been lashing out at people who tried to help him in his obscure Dr. Rabbit and Toon definition threads. He says he doesn't like people "correcting" or "helping" him and says they just want him to think and behave like them, while also saying people use "moronic excuses" and lie about wanting to help him.
He's doing the same spamming that resulted in his previous suspension wrapped up in a persecution complex and saying he wishes he could delete his threads (then when people say he just needs to holler a mod he doubles down on insulting himself and saying people hate him or are annoyed by him.) I am honestly worried about this guy's mental health based on his forum behavior.
resolved Edit war on the Tear Jerker Kirby and the Forgotten Land page Videogame
Troper Back Set 1 added this entry
to the game's Tear Jerker page on April 11th, 2022:
When Elfilin is kidnapped, he actually calls out Kirby's name (or rather, his Japanese name).
On May 5th, 2022, I altered it to not only correct a grammatical error but also removed the part in brackets - listed above in italics - with the edit summary: "It's literally just the name "Kirby" pronounced as you would in Japanese. It's still Kirby at the end of the day, through and through." The only reason it's said like you would say it in Japanese is because Elfilin's voice actress is Japanese herself and the game was developed in Japan.
And then on March 19th, 2023, BackSet1 edit warred by readding the exact previously removed information in a different form
with the summary: "Just kind of felt this was worth noting."
Personally, I'm in favour of altering the "calls out his name in Japanese" bit to what I did back in May 2022, not only for the reasons I specified over three years ago, but also because Kirby's name is the exact same in Japanese as it is in English. The only differences are how it's often pronounced in Japanese and how it's often written in Japanese. But since I already removed said information the first time it came up, if I were to do it again, I myself would also be in edit war territory and could risk a suspension. As for notifiers, I couldn't find a single one that best fits the situation so I decided to bring up the issue here. Other than that, any advice as to what should be done here?
P.S. As for why I'm only now reporting this over two years later...I just noticed it today and, after noticing it, thought I should bring some attention to this sooner rather than later.
resolved Was there a consensus for this edit? Western Animation
This was added in The Owl House - Emperor Belos:
- Seven Deadly Sins: Fittingly for a Satanic Archetype and ironically for a heavily implied devout Puritan, Belos is actually guilty of all seven of them.
- Wrath: He's not loud about it, but his murder of Caleb and of his grimwalker clones all stem from his anger towards Caleb for "leaving" him for a witch and refusing to repent and, for the girmwalkers, betraying him as he believes Caleb did.
- Lust: Despite showing no interest in anyone, Belos does have a lust for fame and glory as a great Witch Hunter General. This on top of his implied lust for attention given that he in part murdered Caleb for "abandoning" him for Evelyn.
- Pride: Perhaps the most fitting, he truly believes himself to be the great Witch Hunter General he's dreamed of being since childhood and it was Caleb spending time with his witch lover instead of him that would eventually motivate Philip to murder him. Tying into the above lust for glory, being the Witch Hunter General would also offer him no shortage of adulation and attention, per the Sin of Pride's meaning.
- Sloth: Insofar as Belos is morally apathetic as he certainly not slothful in pursuing his goals. He does not care in the least that what he's doing is wrong, even though on some level he's realized it is. All he cares about at this point is succeeding because otherwise all his other sins and atrocities will have been for nothing.
- Greed: Not so much for material wealth, not that he lacks that as Emperor, but Belos is an innately selfish person who intends to enjoy whatever spoils of his victory may come by himself seeing as he plans on killing off all of his Witch and Demon allies as part of his plan. The only possible exception being Luz if she would take his offer to join her.
- Gluttony: This one is more induced, but he needs to consume more and more Palismen to stay alive long enough to complete his plans and he has no qualms with over indulging if it means he lives just a little longer.
- Envy: In a more platonic sense than usual, but envy is the disire for something someone else possesses. In this case, Philip was a Green-Eyed Monster towards Evelyn for taking Caleb away from him and projected that envy and hatred towards the Boiling Isles as a whole. And as is so often the case, his sin of Envy lead to him commiting all the others.
- And on a certain level, Belos has even commited the lesser known eighth sin from Orthodox Christianity: Despair. Despite having realized, on some level, after centuries of atrocities and sin that he's in the wrong Belos refuses any and all offers to change or even simply give up and instead convinces himself that no matter how wrong it is, he has to destory the Boiling Isles and everyone on it if for no other reason that to make all his sins worth it.
Even though the hidden comment stated this.
- Seven Deadly Sins Do not add back without consensus.
That comment was deleted in a later edit, but there doesn't seemed to be a link showcasing the consensus and feels like the comment was deliberately ignored.
resolved Potential edit war and unneeded “word cruft” cleaning in TabletopGame/SLAIndustries
A troper named mcghie68 (apologies if that didn’t format right) has been constantly undoing edits under the reason of “word cruft”, but in the process removing the actual information in the edits as opposed to simply cleaning grammar. Now, initially I thought this was an abundance of caution given SLA Industries and its notoriously convoluted canon history and leaks, but now it is affecting edits I know were okayed by Word of God as officially published books that are still available and still canon, like Threat Analysis: Collateral or the skirmish game Cannibal Sector 1.
Edit for clarification: I noted a brewing Edit War in my last edit, but have not notified them yet, as given said canon issues, I wanted to make sure myself (a lot of edits were removed based on them being in a backer beta, not a yet-published book).
Edited by Lelielresolved Troper with character wonks Anime
cotton-cloud22 appears to have this wonk regarding Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba of defending Zenitsu and bashing Obanai.
- Added a Draco in Leather Pants entry
for Obanai that, while not in itself wrong, used all caps to call him “WORSE” than Zenitsu AND a Misaimed Fandom entry complaining about the fandom not realizing Obanai is worse than Zenitsu. I have since moved the entry to Ron the Death Eater to focus more on Zenitsu’s demonization in the fandom and removed mentions of Obanai.
- This Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry on Obanai
isn’t too bad in isolation, but worth mentioning for their wonk against him and how it seems to take his gags too seriously.
- Speaking of taking gags too seriously, after I removed a Karmic Overkill entry for Yoshiteru (Zenitsu’s descendant) that bashed how Obanai’s reincarnation treated him since I felt it was misuse as a gag moment, they re-added it
.
- Complainy ship-to-ship combat entries
(I’ve since reworded them to sound more neutral).
- All their edits on the Fandom-Enraging misconception
subpage feel less like straightforward examples and more of rants against people who dislike Zenitsu. Also includes another all caps claiming Obanai is “WORSE” regarding jealousy which just feels like a shoehorn. (On a side note I think the Fandom-Enraging Misconception subpage for Demon Slayer as a whole needs a clean-up, it’s pretty messy).
resolved Useful Notes - AI Boom? Web Original
Just stumbled across this new page and feel like it could use some discussion. It seems to have been quietly launched a little over a week ago, in more or less its current form.
For one thing, I see a few suspicious signs that the text might be AI-generated itself; notice the em dashes, the lists of three items, "from x to y", the vague adjectives.... plus it's pretty poorly organized.
Be that as it may, it takes a weirdly hyped tone, almost self-congratulatory, and only glancingly touches on some of the huge controversies in the creative world around AI and LLMs. Obviously it's a hot-button topic that evokes strong feelings for many, including being a central point of contention in the most recent WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes... but there I go. Point being, the page as it is seems like one person's opinion that doesn't do a good enough job at taking multiple perspectives into account. It lacks a lot of specifics about the technology and the discussions around it as it exists.
That's assuming we even want/need such a page, honestly I fear Flame Bait in its future.
What do we think should be done with it: Cutlist it, expand it, find some more contributors and entry pimps to balance it out?
Edited by Jeduthun
Previously Toko WH
resolved Are Steam Community Market tips allowed in Boring But Practical? Videogame
I was thinking of adding some of the general advise traders use to Boring, but Practical but I'm not sure if that's allowed since it deals with real world money. Also not entirely sure where it would be put. I'm not sure if video games fit considering Steam itself isn't really a video game.
resolved Ban evader? Web Original
Longing Buffalo 400 has just started editing today, and I noticed some pretty suspicious patterns:
- Their username has a similar structure to that of Ikea Alien 209 (random words + 3-digit numbers)
- Some of their
entries have
grammatical mistakes
not too far off from what Ikea used to do.

I was just trying to add some tropes to the Characters page for Classic Disney Shorts, specifically to the folder for the one-shot character Joey the Kangaroo, but whenever I try to save my changes, I'm instead booted to this website's main page. I double-checked my messages, but I don't see any messages about being banned, I'm signed in, so I don't know what's wrong. Is this page under protection, perhaps?
If it helps, this was the rewritten entry I was trying to save:
A baby kangaroo that Donald decides to adopt as his son for some reason.