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openEdit War on WesternAnimation.Marsupilami
I wasn't entirely sure an edit war is actually what's going on over the WesternAnimation.Marsupilami page, because for the most part it looks like the same troper is edit-warring with himself... but now there is at least two tropers involved... maybe they'd need to explain themselves a bit.
Edited by SeptimusHeapopen Something is the matter with Persona 3
While cleaning up main page wicks, I came across Persona 3... but for some reason, most of the subpages are not appearing at the top (including the page itself, bizarrely enough). If you need proof that Persona 3 has subpages, look here. What exactly is happening there?
Edit: This appears to be happening on... ALL of the pages now?
Edited by MegaMarioManopen Complaining About A Game They Don't Like
Buttersilk added an example to Broken Aesop.Videogames for Undertale stating that the game's pacifist aesop is broken because the player is criticized for killing a single person (even in self defense), thus locking them out of the Golden Ending. I deleted this and stated in the notes that it's not a Broken Aesop because the game doesn't discredit itself for making its point. The point of the game is that killing is bad, even IF done in self defense, and that people should try to find another way, no matter how hard it is. As such, I'd state that it's probably a naive or unrealistic aesop, but one the game sticks by.
Buttersilk then replies with a rant about how the game's writing sucks and forces you to "endorse its hypocrisy".
So yeah, I think someone's a little upset.
openMake Your Mark Western Animation
To whomever it may concern,
I’m fairly new here in TV Tropes and I noticed that the page image for Make Your Mark in Western Animation isn’t the correct show logo since it has an outdated logo with the fourth generation design on top of the current. Is it possible to be adjusted to the show’s intro picture that I previously used since it’s more accurate to the animation itself, and not an outdated poster? My sincerest apologies that this wasn’t first brought up here.
openMini or Humungus Mecha?
- MiniMecha.Video Games: Cerberus ATLAS mechs in Mass Effect 3. Shepard can drive them either by finding an unmanned one or shooting out the cockpit and gundam-jacking it.
- HumongousMecha.Video Games: In Mass Effect 3, Cerberus soldiers sometimes use large Atlas mechs, which are outfitted with rocket launchers, a scaled-up shotgun, and can one-hit-kill anyone in melee range. If your aim is sharp enough, you can kill the pilot without destroying the mech, then commandeer the mech for yourself.
The Atlas is 2-3 times human height, which I assume is Mini-Mecha so I'll remove Humungous unless anyone objects.
Bringing here as it was asked
before
what the cutoff height is between Mini and Humungous, which got no feedback. These examples have a new issue, they say nothing about the size of the mech so are potential misuse as just Mecha as written.
Where else might the appropriate place be to ask/discuss this matter?
openPlaying With/Against Type Film
Could someone please help me decide if the Playing Against Type and Playing with Character Type sections on Creator.Pedro Pascal look worth keeping, or if they violate the Creator Page Guideline against "Tropes applying to an individual work that already has its own page" (except for The Uninvited).
(I didn't start the sections myself, but I did expand them beyond one entry each.)
openHow to request a work title change? Webcomic
How do I get approval to change the title of a work page?
The page for Alfie 2010 obviously enough has 2010 in the title to designate the year it started. However, it actually started in 2014, and the 2010 dates on Chapter 1 are an error. Explanation here
I realize I could just create the new page myself, but then I'd have to change every wick, and I don't want to do that if it's just going to be reverted by well-meaning editors. Also, I don't have the power to delete the incorrect page title.
openPossible misuse Anime
Here's a The Complainer Is Always Wrong entry regarding Code Geass:
- Between himself and his best friend Suzaku and dear sister Nunnally, it sure feels like this for Lelouch of Code Geass. Taken to even greater heights in Turn 19 of R2 during Schneizel's meeting with the Black Knights; first with Tamaki and Diethard, who contend that anyone could have faked the recording, and after everyone has made up their minds, Kallen, who in an attempt to protect Zero from his would-be traitors, calls her fellow comrades out on being too one-sided, only to be warned to get out of the way or be shot down on suspicion of being geassed. Lelouch ends up lying to her in order for her life to be spared. The following episode, Diethard's earlier attempt to rein in an AWOL Ohgi by holding Villetta, the one responsible, captive, ended up with him getting a few bruises, and complaining to himself that Ohgi, who remains on the Black Knights and is now joined by Villetta, is miscast as a leader.
- The third Compilation Movie's take on these events have Ohgi fall under this when he wants to give Zero a chance to explain himself and tell the truth, and objects to Schneizel's men preparing to shoot until they actually have their answers. He and Viletta also have a point with Deithard considering he really was doing a couple of stuff behind their backs, including how in this version, he was the one who shot her and caused her amnesia that led to them meeting in the first place.
The first line is a Zero-Context Example as it doesn't explain how Lelouch falls under this, and the Black Knights who objected to the betrayal were actually in the right and made better points (and it was several of them objecting, not just one person) so it doesn't seem the narrative is portraying them as wrong for doing so. I'm not sure if it counts overall but I think it at least needs to be re-worded.
Edited by Javertshark13openPolicy regarding em dashes?
I've noticed some tropers going through pages and adding spaces around em dashes—admittedly something I myself used to do. However, every grammatical style guide I've seen emphatically says not to do that. I'm not seeing anything on TV Tropes' grammar administrivia pages on the matter, so I feel I should ask what should be done.
Edited by Arawn999openCryptavolt Web Original
There's this You Tuber (not sure if anyone uses that term anymore) called Cryptabolt who is a web voice actor and makes funny videos about Dead by Daylight, mainly revolving around Springtrap. I tried searching it on this site to see if there's a page about them but there wasn't, so I was wondering if I could create the page myself, if it's okay.
Edited by IC420openLinks for Awesome Music
I'm aware that for Awesome Music, we ask to link official uploads of tracks. However, do we have any preferences regarding platforms? I'm asking such because I was planning on adding an entry to YMMV.Celeste, only to notice this commented-out note:
I checked the page history, and discovered that this was added
back in 2021. What I find odd, however, is that the user who added the note swapped out Youtube links for Bandcamp ones—even though the Youtube links sent you to official uploads from the composer's Youtube channel
.
So, do we have a preference regarding links to websites? I personally find Youtube to be a bit more convenient myself, but I figured it was worth asking about here.
Edited by jandn2014openQuick question on the WhatHappenedToTheMouse entry on the PRTF character page Live Action TV
Back in June 2023, I removed the What Happened to the Mouse? entry from Gluto's section in the Characters.Power Rangers Time Force page (history is here
). V-Nerd re-added it nearly a month ago here
.
In many stories, some characters enter the story, serve their role, and move on without any fanfare. If they have served their purpose and exit the story, then it's not a What Happened to the Mouse? situation just because there isn't some final "where are they now" information given. The trope is for cases where a character simply disappears without reason or acknowledgment by the rest of the cast. Plus, it's also a plot point. In this instance, Gluto slipping away during the final battle between Frax and the Rangers by freezing himself is a reasonable explanation for him leaving the story.
Rather than get involved in an Edit War, I'm bringing this up here. That said, any thoughts on what should be done?
Edited by gjjonesopenPokemon ending complaining/misuse?
YMMV.Pokemon To Be A Pokemon Master has these complaints, most if which I removed from other pages per cleanup
.
- Audience-Alienating Ending: When it was announced that this would be the final chapter in Ash's story, with an eleven-part miniseries titled To be a Pokémon Master wrapping things up before Liko and Roy took over, fans were eager to see how Ash would conclude his journey now that he was the World Coronation Series Champion. What came next was a massive disappointment to many on both sides of the Pacific; rather than wrap up any of Ash's story arcs, the series ends with him deciding to go Walking the Earth and befriend every Pokémon he can, while the Team Rocket Trio gets back together and decides to endlessly pursue him even if they don't succeed. Besides the fact that Ash's reunion with Brock and Misty, as well as all of his old Pokémon he was finally rotating into his roster, were just Filler episodes designed to homage the original series with little consequence or Character Development, none of the other dangling plot threads (such as Ash's released Pokémon, any potential of him taking up a romantic relationship with Misty or Serena, or his companions own personal goals) were followed though. Worst yet, this blatant Status Quo Is God not only failed to make Ash a Pokémon Master, but undid Team Rocket's Plot-Mandated Friendship Failure within two episodes, and barely acknowledged Ash being the World Monarch, let alone how he would defend his title. Needless to say, those were expecting a grand farewell to the iconic protagonist were let down. It wasn't severe or widespread enough to count, or at least as severe as this argues. chris4449 who first added it
added it to AudienceAlienatingEnding.Anime And Manga a few weeks after I removed it from the Journeys YMMV page, which other tropers copied back to the page them moved to it's current one. Is this edit warring to re-remove?
- Esoteric Happy Ending: Team Rocket's final resolution is treated as a happy ending despite the fact it's a cementation of their vicious cycle: Even though their latest failed attempt nearly disbanded the trio permanently, they reconcile and conclude that pursuing Pikachu, the Signature Mon of the World Coronation Series Monarch, is worth spending the rest of their lives for despite 25 years of being offered better life opportunities outside of that impossible goal (and outside of evil in general). While Ash leaves the series as the World Champion seeking out new adventures to better than before, the Team Rocket trio leave unchanged as people and reduced to mere annoyances that barely get Ash's attention anymore. Villains getting an unhappy fate for their unrepentant villainy doesn't sound unintentionally unhappy. This is those who liked them unhappy with their fate which is something else.
- Fan-Disliked Explanation: The final episode establishes that Ash still isn't a Pokémon Master and Ash won't consider himself one until he's befriended every Pokémon he can. Many fans took issue with this feeling it was ludicrous that the anime wouldn't grant Ash the status of Pokémon Master despite this being his last time as the main character and getting crowned as the strongest trainer on the planet. Other fans took issue with how vague Ash's definition of a Pokémon Master was. These fans note Ash's word choice could mean noting anything from catching one Pokémon of every species (making it identical to Goh), or befriending every single individual Pokémon in the world (which is a physical impossibility given the large quantity and some Pokémon like the Malamar trio being unrelentingly evil). This shows there never was an official definition, and Ash decided on a new definition. Besides seeming misuse as it's not the Explanation (how/why) part that's disliked, this seems part of the general complaining so I'm bringing/asking here.
Thoughts, permission to re-remove the first two?
openNot-Edit War but still should move here
Hey so, I edited Not a Subversion to replace the line
- (in fact, it might even be better for aversions to simply be called "avoidances", were it not for the enormous hassle such a change would be for this site).
- (in fact, it might even be better for aversions to simply be called "absent tropes", were it not for the enormous hassle such a change would be for this site).
My logic was that the Averted Trope page itself classified a Defied Trope as a trope "acknowledged and avoided by the characters" and saw "absent tropes" as a more clear way to communicate the idea of an Averted Trope.
I then looked at the history, and noticed a similar edit has happened before, where someone edited the line to be
- in fact, it might even be better for aversions to simply be called "avoidances," were it not for the enormous hassle such a change would be for this site and the fact that it would instead be confused with Defied Trope, in which a character actively avoids the trope).
this change was reverted by a moderator. That makes me think the current line is actively wanted.
I am of the opinion "avoidances" is a misleading term as well, and that line should be changed in the article. But think that should be discussed here first (obviously I reverted my edit).
edit: I'd also argue this usage of the word avoid doesn't accurately cover the meaning of aversion. Like when a trope is absent because it doesn't exist in the culture that made the story, it isn't "avoiding" the trope. And I also think it's too easy to mistake for the concept of "defying" regardless of the explanation of the author "avoiding" the trope (which as mentioned, doesn't actually describe the meaning of aversion).
Edited by IronAnimationopenHow should I handle spoilering on my page? Web Original
Self-explanatory. I want to put ROYN as an example of media that uses certain tropes in their respective pages, but the format of the series makes it hard to handle this, so how should I handle this?
Edited by GammaRaulopenWhich of the examples are accurate and which of the examples are just character bashing? Anime
- Neon Genesis Evangelion:
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
- She always criticizes Shinji for being useless, even though she constantly screws up missions with her own stubbornness and pride.
- She blames Shinji for their botched first kiss, claiming that he's rejecting her, when it was her own fault for goading him into kissing her with convoluted and mixed signals, as well as holding Shinji's nose to prevent his breathing from tickling her, which suffocates him. All of which are very unromantic.
- She frequently calls out Shinji for being so weak and vulnerable, despite the fact that, as the series progresses, it turns out she is just as weak and vulnerable as he is, albeit trying to hide it with aggression and temper tantrums.
- She treats all the boys she's around with contempt and considers them perverts and/or idiots, yet she herself engages in very inappropriate sexual conduct with her guardian, Kaji, and consistently makes and commits idiotic decisions and actions that not only endanger her but others.
- She constantly attacks Shinji for not being "a man" or not "manning up", yet she herself is hardly what one would call "womanly".
- While it's partially true that Misato shows Parental Favoritism towards Shinji, Asuka is the last person to call her out, especially when all she wants and craves is to be praised, loved, and coddled.
- For all her complaints about no one caring for her, she herself is shown to care very little (if at all) for the well-being of her teammates, even belittling them after enduring serious trauma.
- She also has the nerve to blame others for rejecting her when she frequently and deliberately rejects, rebukes, abuses, and takes advantage of others.
- She calls Shinji selfish for wanting to save the world merely to impress his father, yet Asuka's own motive is at its core just as selfish as she does it out of a need for validation too.
- She feels entitled to and demands unconditional devotion and praise from anyone and everyone she meets. However, Asuka feels no obligation to treat others with even the slightest amount of respect and decency unless doing so will keep them under her thrall or otherwise advance her interests in some way; she treats virtually everyone around her with undisguised contempt.
- Asuka is also in no position to chew Shinji out for being afraid of getting hurt and being rejected by others, considering that she herself is afraid of getting hurt by others, and especially because she is one of the people, aside from Gendo, responsible for hurting and rejecting Shinji.
- Asuka gets angry and disgusted at Shinji for complaining, claiming that he's always blaming others, yet she is the one who whines and complains more than anyone in the entire franchise and consistently blames or shifts the blame to others for her own faults.
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
openHelp me make a page for Off Book: The Improvised Musical Radio
I recently started listening to Off Book: The Improvised Musical, a podcast run by Jess McKenna and Zach Reino (also known from Welcome to Mountport, which their podcast inspired) where every episode is full-length, totally improvised musical. I’ve made a page before (SpongeBob SquigglePants), but I just started this very long podcast, so I don’t have enough information to add all the tropes, and I don’t wanna spoil it for myself. It would make the most sense to have a recap page so every episode’s tropes could be listed separately. I could start the page, but I’d have to update it very slowly overtime. If anyone here has listened to most/all of Off Book and would like to volunteer to start/contribute to the page, it would be appreciated. This podcast is too awesome and trope-filled to lack a page entirely (especially since Welcome to Mountport already has one).
Edited by HopHoppipopenHelp with finding a trope that mentions djinns
I was planning to ask this in Trope Finder but the wording in it gave me the impression it's just to ask if a trope already exists, so sorry if I'm asking this in the wrong place.
So there's a trope where one of its examples is explaining how a djinn grants wishes in the original stories, and the explanations is if you ask for a property (Maybe a kingdom), he won't create one from scratch and will just buy the property or at least the paperwork for it.
The trope itself isn't about djinns in particular, I think it was just explaining the difference between people's belief and what actually happened, but I'm not sure if that is what the trope was about since seemingly it's not included in Common Knowledge.
I'm pretty sure the example uses the word "mundane" to describe the djinn's simple solution to getting the property.

Over in the YMMV page for Gravity Falls, this user named tuohl keeps trying to add examples of Mabel (an already divisive character) either crossing the Moral Event Horizon (even though she isn't villainous) or as being a Creator's Pet (and getting into a rant about her getting away with things because she's based off of the creator's sister, nevermind the fact that some of the other leads are based off of himself, his grandfather, and a fellow crewmember).