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openUnexpected Character Help
I decided to make a subpage for the "Video Games" folder in the Unexpected Characters page. I've been meaning to do it for a while, but now I'm having a problem with indexing. I gave a subpage for the "Live-Action TV" folder thinking that it would just index itself automatically, but nothing happened. Anybody got advice?
openAbout
I am currently working on a personal writing project/exercise, and I was wondering if I could use my own Tropers page (which is not yet created, but I assume it would be Tropers/Waddle) as my own personal sandbox to keep record of this project in an easy to use/edit interface.
So my question is actually this one: can I do whatever I want in my own Troper page? Or should I keep what is basically a Super Smash Bros. fanfiction out of it, and only use it for actual information about myself?
Edited by WaddleopenLoveItOrHateIt question.
I had recently noticed that the Love It or Hate It trope is listed on the In Universe Examples Only page, but when you go the the Love It or Hate It page itself it's clearly listed as a YMMV trope. So I'm just a little confused. Is it supposed to be both or is it one and not the other?
open Revert on SpectacleFighter? Videogame
Could we get a mod revert on Spectacle Fighter? A troper took it upon himself to cut most of the page without discussion. He is on the Discussion page now, so I think the prudent course of action would be to revert the page, discuss what does or does not need to be cut, and then re-cut stuff.
I do agree that the fat should be trimmed, but he cut way too much before any discussion occurred.
openRemaking Of The The Eye Creatures: Namespace Film
Since Attack of the The Eye Creatures was purified, I'd like to re-create its original version where it belongs, which means in one of the "fun" namespaces. However, I'm not sure whether it should be in Just for Fun (which was my first hunch) or Self-Demonstrating...
Edited by Medinocopen Mediation Needed
Brief backstory:
In Xenoblade Chronicles X, there's an optional conversation with a party member whereas she complains about guys who hit on her as well as other women. If you are a male character (and ONLY if you are male) asks you for your opinion, and if you agree, she basically says "I KNEW you were different. Heck, I'd ask YOU out for a drink!"
After that, the concept of a date or romance never comes up again.
Myself and Dragon95 think this is sufficient for Ship Tease. Larkmarn leans toward agreeing with us, but hasn't played the game. Miin U does not agree, and is becoming increasingly hostile about their opinion.
This is the third time I've gotten into a debate with this person, and we are equally stubborn. However, Miin U's arguments don't make any sense to us, with all three of us at one point calling them out for making invalid arguments.
We need new people to chime in and say if they think we're right or wrong.
Edited by KingZealopenMy first question
Why is the trope "Stronger Than They Look" got remove? Is it because it's offensive to the users or trope itself?
Edited by SeptimusHeapopenHu.Cloverfield?
Does anyone know what this page
is about? Putting it through a Google Translate reveals it's a one-sentence summary of the film itself (insofar as I can tell with Translate) ending with the words 'good start'.
openSo-called "complaining" about prehistoric life
There's a user named Magnus Force who goes around on paleontology-related tropes like Artistic License – Paleontology and Ptero Soarer and complains in the discussion page about the examples being complainy, and he removed the pterosaur example from Informed Species (which I re-added) for the same reason.
Thing is, these examples don't come across as complainy, at least not to me, any more than the other tropes pointing out biological inaccuracies. (Like Artistic License – Ornithology and Somewhere, a Herpetologist Is Crying.) Then again, I'm a paleo fan myself, so I'm not sure if I count.
So, what do you think? Does Magnus Force actually have a point, or is he just being nitpicky?
openPastimes Prove Personality
Why does Pastimes Prove Personality have no examples listed on the page itself?
openalteration in Karma Houdini example
Recently, the following example was altered of "* Lelouch's Zero-Approval Gambit at the end of Code Geass saves quite a few characters from karmic retribution for their actions. Notably, various surviving Britannian soldiers, including Princess Cornelia li Britannia, might have been tried for their war crimes if the circumstances had been any different. And the newly married Ohgi, who had earlier betrayed Lelouch in favor of Schneizel and his slanted accounts in an under the table deal for Japan that would have also left other UFN nations out to dry, and also used Kallen as bait and threatens to kill her under suspicion of Geass without hearing her out, not only receives no punishment for said actions and hypocritical reasoning, but instead gets a good-old Happy Ending as he becomes Prime Minister of Japan. He also gets Happily Married to Villetta, a major Spanner in the Works who is no stranger to screwing over Lelouch for her own ignoble reasons over the course of the entire series, including using a traumatized Shirley to capture him, shooting Ohgi during the Black Rebellion which partly led to its failure, watching over Lelouch during the year while he is amnesiac for the sake of nobility because of her knowledge of his Geass, and convincing Ohgi to betray him as she changes sides; even in spite of her part in Lelouch getting captured following the rebellion, or that even so, Ohgi has the audacity to fully blame him for it, even though it was this as well as his own carelessness that made it happen. To rub it in, the newly wedded couple have a baby on the way. Compare and contrast to the self-sacrifices of Lelouch and Suzaku, who alienated from and made themselves dead to the world, literally in the case of the former and figuratively in the case of the latter, who also became the new Zero as per the Zero Requiem, which made the new peace possible for everyone else. Consider also that the two may not have went with such a plan, which also had a high degree of inferred destruction, if not for the aforementioned betrayal. They pretty much made the ultimate sacrifice for the good of everyone else, including those who had manipulated and wronged them." to " Code Geass gets a lot of anger aimed at it over this. The main characters die - figuratively for one, literally for the other. Meanwhile, many of their enemies are allowed to live on and enjoy the peaceful world they've created. They made the ultimate sacrifice for the good of everyone else, including those who had manipulated and wronged them. However, this is not a bad thing - their ability to forgive is what makes them heroic, even in light of all of the questionable things they themselves have done. The series doesn't cast the characters in question in a bad light either - they've learned their lesson over the course of the story - that war is bad and not worth it, and that all people deserve respect - and the ending invites the viewer to celebrate with them and be happy for them, as Lelouch is (from wherever he is), and as Kallen, Lloyd, Cecile, Nunnally, and many of the other survivors who know the full story are. You can hardly say they'd be better off losing even more of their friends and family - some peaceful world that would be. Really, it's not this trope so much as an aversion of Protagonist-Centered Morality - nonetheless, it has many fans up in arms crying for vengeance."
Link: Karma Houdini/Anime . Opinions?
Edited by MagBasopen Can we please, please, please stop calling Evangelion a deconstruction? Anime
The concepts of "deconstruction" and "reconstruction" on this site are ludicrously vague to begin with, and Evangelion is one of those series that, while good, also ends up having people project a lot of assumptions on it that aren't necessarily true. And the whole "deconstruction" thing isn't the only bit either, tons of people were really anal retentive about the religious symbology until Anno or whoever just came out and said they were doing it because it was exotic and sounded cool.
A lot of the concepts in Evangelion that people seem to think are revolutionary and "deconstructive" were already thoroughly explored, warts and all, in the genre's infancy in the same way that people find so amazing in Evangelion itself. Astro Boy, Great Mazinger, Zambot 3, Ideon... Hell, even Combattler V which wasn't that much to write home about still could've been argued to "deconstruct" the combining mecha subgenre it set up in its first episode when the leads weren't able to actually combine and work together as a team because they had only just met and hadn't bonded in the slightest. I think the real cause for this is simply Evangelion was one of the highest-profile mecha series of the 90s and one of the ones most likely for people to see one way or another. And from it and its dark subject matter, assumptions were made about the old mecha shows of the 70s and 80s and somewhere along the line, bam. Deconstruction label got slapped on it and everyone just assumed it was true when, as far as I can tell, there's never been official recognition and confirmation of this idea. Same with people thinking Metal Gear Solid 2 was supposed to be some amazing masterpiece of Post-Modernism.
Granted there is still a mountain of analysis to it especially in the final third when Anno really got into the concept of psychology as he was coming out of his depression. But every time I see a page where something in Evangelion is marked as a deconstruction, or that Gao Gai Gar was meant to rebel against its trends and Gurren Lagann in turn was in turn Gainax recognizing that they got the message, what that's really telling me is someone is making a lot of claims about the genre with a lot of undeserved, unwarranted, and unfounded certainty.
Edited by SteamopenBlackBaroness
BlackBaroness
restored an entry I removed from the on the grounds that it's basically written as the troper's opinion (instead of the show's) with YMMV links. I even sent her the YMMV issue helper PM. She added it back with the reason being that it's fine because the trope itself is not YMMV, only taking out the Critical Research Failure link, but otherwise leaving it unchanged.
Looking through her past edits, and she's added YMMV links to at least a couple of pages before, despite being here long enough to know that it's not allowed.
Thought I'd bring it here and ask if I should remove it first so I'm not accused of edit-warring.
openInfinity War Tough Act To Follow Film
From YMMV.Avengers Infinity War:
- Tough Act to Follow: Inevitably, any subsequent "event" movie in the MCU will have a hard time topping this, considering the sheer scale involved. The movie itself has to live up to the hype surrounding preceding critically-acclaimed MCU movies, including Iron Man, The Avengers, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Captain America: Civil War. Comparisons to the Russo-directed Captain America movies - both of which have received stronger critical and public reception than Avengers: Age of Ultron did - feel especially inevitable.
Since it feels too early to call Infinity War truly amazing, would anyone mind if I shortened the entry to this:
- Tough Act to Follow: The movie has to live up to the hype surrounding preceding critically-acclaimed MCU movies, with comparisons to the Russo-directed Captain America movies - The Winter Soldier and Civil War, both of which have received stronger critical and public reception than Avengers: Age of Ultron did - feeling especially inevitable.
openQuestion
Why was the main page for Allen Gregory squeezed out into a shell of its former self? I can understand getting rid of critical reception in the main description but nearly all the descriptive explanations of tropes are now in a Beige Prose.
Edited by FromtheWordsofBRopenEdit War in DeaderThanDisco.RealLife
The Deader Than Disco cleanup thread
recently replaced the DeaderThanDisco.Real Life page with a sandboxed version that cut out many, many, MANY examples of misuse, shoehorning, and general complaining. Troper Jhonny took it upon himself to restore several cut entries. I re-deleted them with an edit reason inviting him to join us in that thread if he wished to argue for their reinstatement.
He did so, and when he couldn't gin up any support for his arguments, took it upon himself to restore one of the cut entries anyway.
Edited by HighCrateopenNo Title
Hello, I'm Geth N7, current administrator of the Tropes Mirror Wiki on Wikia.
I have created an account here because after reviewing the history of the wiki I've been cleaning up for awhile, it seems some of my predecessors have engaged in spiteful actions against TV Tropes or have been very lax concerning Creative Commons copyright, and I just wanted to clear the air on a few things since I've had to clamp down on some plagiarism of current day TV Tropes content (which, as I understand, is incompatible with Wikia due to a different Creative Commons license) and I also wanted to make my position clear on my stance towards TV Tropes.
- First, I have great respect for copyright law, and any instances of plagiarism I encounter will be dealt with as soon as I am aware of them, and we do not encourage it in any form.
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And, with that tl;dr out of the way, I just wanted to wish everyone here a happy troping experience. :)
Edited by GethN7openNo Title Live Action TV
Since the previous thread I put up as a premptive measure has gone, I'll repeat this here.
Moderators really need to talk to JIKTV
about his Single-Issue Wonk with Trish Stratus. He bordered on personal attacks in that page's discussion thread, accussing anyone who was against his edits of being either Trish's personal publists or working for the WWE (and when I removed one of his bad entries on another page he sent a PM to me accussing me of being put up to it by two of the people he had been arguing with on Trish's discussion page), made edits that were venturing into Real Life territory against the actress behind the character, and added this to a seperate character page and filled it with entirely negative tropes (as well as insulting those who had been reverting his bad edits):
- Adored by the Network/Creator's Pet: WWE basically hyped her as the greatest thing to ever happen to the Women's Division or to the Women's Title or to humanity in general. According to WWE, she's the only one who was ever even IN the division (Lita was involved here and there), and that she carried it all by herself or some nonsense. All the other wrestlers who got jobbed out to her, demoted, buried and thrown out the door like yesterday's garbage aren't important and no one should waste his or her time thinking about them. She got to retire as Champion, violating wrestling tradition which says that you are supposed to lose your last match. She had the head of "Creative" induct her into the WWE Hall of Fame.
- Protection from Editors: She even has that on this site.
- Boring Invincible Heroine
- Designated Heroine: Her first title win, over Jacqueline, Ivory, Lita, Molly and the debuting Jazz in the six-pack challenge at Survivor Series 2001, really came out of nowhere. She hadn't been competing much on TV and hadn't even had a PPV match since InVasion in July.
- God-Mode Sue
- Karma Houdini/Protagonist-Centered Morality: Apparently, she only felt that the whole Molly Holly "big ass" garbage was a bad thing to do was because she was a Face at the time. That's right, it might have reflected negatively on her. Never mind that it was a terrible idea and they never should have done it in the first place.
- Sacred Cow: Look what happened to Melina and John Morrison for daring to say anything negative about her.
- The Scrappy/Hype Backlash: It's out there if you know where to look. Do a Google search for her name and "overrated" and see the results.
- Screw the Rules, I'm Beautiful!: She may not have said this herself, but, there are fans who will use "she was hot" as a defense against any criticism of her.
- Viewers Are Morons
A moderatator really does need to get involved at this point because while he's not edit-warring on any page that his examples are getting taken off of, he is finding as many ways as possible to get around that.
EDIT: To give some more evidence towards his obsession, he edited Designated Hero, Jobber, and Girls Need Role Models to reflect negatively towards Trish to the detriment of the article. For the last one, here's what he wrote about her in the trope:
"Trish Stratus was there because the company really loved her. She basically established the template that led to WWE purging the talented WRESTLERS (Jacqueline, Ivory, Molly Holly, Jazz, etc.) in order to make room for the Diva Search Idiots and the Catalog Idiots (John Laurinaitis found Kelly Kelly and Alicia Fox in the same swimsuit catalog, which is apparently what he considered "scouting talent.")" (If you're interested, the original line before he added all of that in was "Trish proved that beautiful women could become talented wrestlers", which fits with his discussion and PM rethoric to always bring up that she was a model before she became a wrestler)
He also takes every chance he gets on any wrestling page that is mildly appropriate to bring up that Trish Stratus won her retirement match and that it was violating wrestling tradition, while anyone who has followed Professional Wrestling for awhile could list off more than a few names who have all done the same.
Edited by Shaoken

I was looking at the The Joker page and I noticed that the entire thing is writing in the Joker's voice like a Self-Demonstrating page. Is it because the main page for the Joker and his Self-Demonstrating page share the same YMMV page?