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openGeneral Example
I found this extensive list of general anime examples on Animation Age Ghetto.
- Anime, with its extension to extremely controversial topics such as horror and Hentai, is often cited as the reason for the annihilation of the Animation Age Ghetto. Anime, and Hentai, is the prime rebuttal against any argument that animation was for kids. Anime remains a hot button issue in the debate over the Age Ghetto thanks to the fact that some Anime is adult and was never in the Ghetto to begin with, and that it only enters the Ghetto when dubbed to other languages, and even that was toned down in the early 2000s in favor of more faithful dubs.
- The case for Anime and Manga when dealing with the Animation Age Ghetto (without trying to deal with All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles) is as laughable as it is sad considering that so much anime that the West knows (shonen, almost completely)- while considered safe for kids or teens in Japan - could end up with R ratings in other countries, and yet countries such as Mexico, who are still deep inside the Age Ghetto, refuse to see it any other way than 'if it's drawn, it's for kids, even if there are exposed penises, exposed breasts, on-screen decapitations, and cluster F-bombs.' Anime is what students of the Age Ghetto (for and against) use to prove that there is, in fact, an Age Ghetto. Some of the outright funny/ridiculous/laziest examples occur when studios try dubbing out suggestive or offensive dialogue, but the show itself still features massive levels of sexual themes or gore — a character tries playing it off with 'cute' or 'cheesy' dialogue that suggests that the sword clearly impaling her and pushing her heart out through her chest is actually nothing more than a trick and she actually caught the sword under her arm.
- By the way, what most in the west don't know is that there is more than just shonen, but in terms of shipping it to the West, at least on major broadcasting, the ghetto prevents anyone from learning about this because executives/moral guardians are going to make it shonen. Any anime that isn't acceptable for kids and not set on a network that plays such stuff uncensored- or is acceptable for kids to an extent and has to be excessively censored- will suffer this. However, that particular aspect is not Age Ghetto- it begins with Bowdlerisation and continues from there.
- In terms of fame and recognition, any series in the West (English-speaking countries in particular) that doesn't have a successful family-friendly English dub is unlikely to break into pop culture at large. Some series that are mainstream in Japanese culture, such as Neon Genesis Evangelion and Attack on Titan, are mere cult classics in the West (or part of youth culture if they're lucky) merely because they were marketed towards teens/adults from the beginning. On the now-defunct "Sliding Scale of Anime Obscurity" page on this very wiki, anime series were ranked based on their recognizability in English-speaking pop culture; every single series ranked at Level 0 (i.e. part of mainstream culture) has had a family-friendly or kid-oriented English dub and is most well-known for such.
- Another factor is Values Dissonance between the Anglosphere and other cultures: The idea in Japan, France, The Netherlands etc. that cuteness is meant for the entire family means that cute characters and settings are enjoyed or at least tolerated by every demographic, whereas cuteness in North America is associated with childishness or femininity. In addition, the Japanese concept of the Christmas Cake (which states that a woman is old once she reaches 25 years of age) clashes with the American Paedo Hunt. Hence, while a fan of Moe is considered a social outcast in both Japan and overseas, liking moe is simply geeky in Japan, France and Belgium but appallingly immature in North America and the United Kingdom. All together, the prevalence of anime and manga with a cute aesthetic causes anime fans in North American countries to appear immature and childish.
I'm pretty sure this violates Examples are Not General. What do you think?
openAbout the Atoner
If a character wants to make up for one or more terrible things they did, but their deeds were so heinous and so many in number that people reject their attempts for that reason(s), and if the character realized that their misdeeds were so many and so severe that they may never get their atonement, what form of playing with this trope would that be? I think it might be a deconstruction in that if a person’s done so many terrible things, then there’s no way for them to ever be forgiven. But then again, I also think it might be playing it for drama.
Here’s an example: Sasuke Uchiha from Naruto killed members of a nation’s military (the Iron Country samurai), attempted to kidnap Killer Bee, the relative of a village leader, and allied himself with a known criminal and later a terrorist organization. He’s committed murder, Mind Rape, attempted kidnapping, and high treason, and now post-Kaguya he’s trying to make up for all of that. If wherever he went people rejected his attempts at atonement - denying him food and lodging and generally treating him as persona non grata - and he realized people would never forgive him because of how bad his actions were and felt/thought that the sheer number and severity of all his past misdeeds were so great that he would never fully atone for them in his lifetime, what form of playing with the Atoner would that be?
openEdit warring troper Web Original
Dr Mc P has repeatedly removed two Shipper on Deck entries from the Critical Role: Wildemount Campaign page on the claim that Shipper on Deck is a YMMV trope (notably both are about the same ship). Vorpoler tried to explain that it isn't but Dr Mc P deleted them again anyway. Dr Mc P eventually added one of the entries back themself but the other is still gone.
openRedlinking on a bluelinked page
There's some weird redlinking thing going on when I type Administrivia.Tropes Needing Examples. Is that something the mods can fix? If they don't have to, how do I fix it myself?
openAdd the Misadventures of Sonic the Hedgehog? Webcomic
Are we able to make suggestions for new works? If so, do you think add the fan webcomic, The Misadventures of Sonic the Hedgehog by Fallen Angel Cam 7? Fallen Angel Cam 7 himself said that No Context Sonic does the Sonic related stuff.
Edited by AutisticPhantomOtaku620openNeed Help With A Consensus Anime
There's an issue that needs some help with clearing up on Characters.Seton Academy Join The Pack. specifically, whether or not a character, Yena, should be troped as transgender vs a tomboy.
I favor transgender, for reasons I'll give in a moment. The_Spanish_Inquisitor favors tomboy, for reasons I'll let them explain. The disagreement has caused tropes like Transgender being removed in favor of The Lad-ette and Lady Looks Like a Dude. This happened once before with another troper. I replaced the tropes at the time, but now worry I'll stray too far into edit war territory, or spark one myself, if I just change it. As a result, I'm hoping for a consensus to be able to point to on the matter.
A discussion was started
but, three days later, the two of us have been the only participants.
To keep this OP from being too wall of texty, I'll give my reasons for favoring Transgender in the first reply and PM Inquisitor to let them know I started this discussion
Edited by sgamer82openPhantom wick still indexed despite removal
So, now that Hair Decorations is a disambig, I have been stripping it off indexes and pages. I removed one of its indexed wicks off TruthInTelevision.G To I but on the HD page itself the page looks like it is still indexed on that page.
openA small correction to Useful Notes' Argentina
I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask this question, but I have to note a small correction to the article of this post's title: The current Argentinan president (as of December 10, 2019) is not Mauricio Macri anymore, but Alberto Fernandez of the "Partido de Todos" coalition (in english the name would be "Everybody's Party", i guess).
If this topic/post/question is wrong for any reason, feel free to delete it, but I think that the article should be updated (I would update it myself, but I don't know how, and I don't feel like a proper troper to do so, though I am argentinian and I know my country) or the detail removed (because that information changes overtime, and pretty much the rest of the article's information is set in stone).
openCyberJudas trope page Videogame
Should there be a separate work page for Cyber Judas instead of grouping the sequel’s works along with Shadow President on the page?
(I don’t really know how else to add to this, I’d make the work page myself but I’m not entirely familiar with Cyber Judas aside from watching Joel’s gameplay of it.)
openMore Spoiler Problems
I posted this issue a while back
, but Gideoncrawle is getting mad at me again. Here's his message:
"On the Predator and Prey page, you recently added an example of Saying Too Much that had the example text completely spoilered out (when spoilering out two or three words would have sufficed) in violation of this site's spoiler policy. Dude, we've been over this. Spoilering out all, or substanially all, of an example's text is NEVER allowed, because it defeats the purpose of adding the example in the first place. You know this, or should know it, so continuing to post fully-spoilered examples comes across as open defiance of this site's policies. Seriously, are you trying to get suspended? If you're really that concerned about spoilers, wiki policy allows for putting a warning at the top of the examples list, stating "You may encounter unmarked spoilers", or words to that effect. If we do that, though, then the page is not allowed to have any spoiler tags at all, because they would be redundant. We're here to trope works, not advertise them; and hiding all the details to shield people who "haven't read the fic yet" is an advertiser's mindset. The vast majority of people who read a work article on this wiki will never read/view the work itself, so those are the people you should be writing examples for."
Is this legitimately how spoiler policy works with fanfiction?
Rein this man in. He's running the fan works page like a tyrant.
Edited by MagnusForceopenRequest to remove natter from a page
Not long ago, slimeshady added a lot of natter regarding negativity and confirmation bias to the Pokemon stadium Computer is a cheating bastard page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TheComputerIsACheatingBastard/PokemonStadium
. Other than the fact that what they added has absolutely nothing to do about the page/trope itself, but the info is completely pointless because by his own logic, anything in a video game is negativity or confirmation bias. By his logic, stuff like That One Boss That One Level and That One Sidequest shouldn't exist either because it can interpreted as such.
Would there be any objections to me reverting the page to what it was before he added all of what he said?
Edited by KamonTheSkunkopenProblematic Zero-Context Example
[[tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Segal 991 Segal 991]] tried to fill a previously commented-out Zero Context Example in Characters.Banjo Kazooie by merely adding "Just look at her" to Ms. Fanservice (the involved character is Humba Wumba). I commented it out back because that said absolutely nothing on whether the trope (for starters, the trope has to be addressed In-Universe, i.e. the work itself has to deliberately portray the character as Fanservice-rife). Then the troper uncommented it and the only difference is that the text was marginally expanded: "Just look at her! Quite the sexy and cute one, isn't she?". That not only contains the same problem I mentioned before, but now it reads even more natter-y and lewd-like than ever.
I'm having the urge to comment it out again or even remove it under the reasoning that the game simply makes not effort at highlighting the "fanservice" aspect of the character. Unfortunately, doing just that would probably qualify as an Edit War so I'm bringing the issue here. I had already sent a ZCE Issue Helper to Segal upon the first offense so I don't think doing it again will help.
openConcerning entry in the Ace Attorney Investigations witnesses page under Zinc Lablanc II
- Expy: Of Donald Trump, fat, vain, and sees himself as more worth than others.
I know Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment is in effect for anything regarding the 2016 election so I probably should have removed the entry already, but I'm asking for second opinions just in case. Even then, I see misuse of the trope itself.
Edited by AkoSiKuya23openIron Fist Live Action TV
From Series.Iron Fist 2017:
- Mighty Whitey: Averted. In the words of Scott Buck, "I can say most definitively Danny Rand is no white savior. He’s trying to save himself, if anything." If it's like the comics, Danny is just the latest IF, most of which were Asian.
Considering a) the last sentence sounds like speculation, and b) the premise of the show seems to boil down to "white guy fulfills his destiny and saves New York from evil Asian ninjas", do those sound like valid reasons to delete this entry until further notice?
Edited by dsneybufopen Is this a case of "Character as himself" or not?
The 7th Heaven page features the entry:
- Character as Himself: In this case, the ever suffering Happy the Dog...plays Happy the Dog. She got starring billing for her stirring role playing a common housedog, though her Emmy submissions always seemed to be rejected.
Seems to me the only reason the above entry was created was because this dog happened to be called "Happy" both In-Universe and in Real Life; and isn't any non-human animal character "playing themselves" by definition, thus making the above entry too People Sit On Chairs / Captain Obvious?
open Issue on the So Bad Its Horrible Animated Film page
Lately there's been this guy who keeps taking a particular film (Happily N'ever After) off the page under the pretense that "there are some people on You Tube that like it" and claimed to me (in a private message after I re-added the film) that it won an award (namely an Artios award, one that exists, but I've never heard of, quite honestly, and the award was an actress being nominated for a best voice actress award, nothing to do with the film's quality in animation and writing). What should I do about this? I'm fairly certain that he's taking it down only because he himself likes the movie (for whatever reason) and is taking offense to it being listed on the Horrible page.
Edited by kablammin45openIndexing characters in quotes page?
So, I came from the Quotes wiki forum, and I asked them if characters can be indexed in the quotes pages. They told me to ask here. The characters are Goku Black and Zamasu My Future Self and Me
Edited by TomodachiopenDraco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater
Can it co-exist together? I had in mind that a character exudes both good points and bad points. The character is considered on DILP when some fans felt like the good points were exaggerated, while the bad points was ignored. However, in the same time, the other camp gave the character RTDE when some fans felt like the bad points were exaggerated and the good points ignored.
What does this mean, a coexistence of Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater or merely Base-Breaking Character? Please note that the character itself isn't that hated, it's just their good qualities overexaggerated or their bad qualities overexaggerated, at the cost of the other one.
openSo bad it's horrible entry
Posting this here for more visibility.
There was a recent entry on the SoBadItsHorrible.Literature page about Orson Scott Card's Hamlet's Father, which while morally questionable probably isn't terrible enough in terms of quality to be included there.
I mentioned why I think it doesn't belong on the discussion page. The troper who added it then removed it themself (but without leaving an edit reason). It was then readded by another troper. Should it stay or should it go?
Edited by supergod

So I just stumbled upon Rat-Man. It and all of its subpages were created with a hyphen. I can't move them myself at the moment, so I figured I mention here so someone who has the time and wants to can do it.