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openRose Quartz: An Example of Satanic Archetype or Satan Is Good? Western Animation
One thing that has been bugging me recently is how people say that Rose Quartz from Steven Universe is an example of a Satanic Archetype. In my honest opinion, she belongs firmly in the other category, because a Satanic Archetype is defined on this very wiki as "[a] truly evil character who appears to be a satanic figure for the setting, although they clearly aren't the Devil himself". But I ask you, why would someone include this example on the page when Rose only rebelled against Homeworld for the benefit of others and Lucifer rebelled against God out of selfishness? If anything, Rose should be an example of a Messianic Archetype or Satan Is Good, and yet, there is a clip in the video examples of the page featuring Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond. So what is Rose: a Satanic Archetype or Messianic Archetype/Satan Is Good?
Edited by Dragonking56openEntry Needs Fixing
Found this entry on Shout-Out Theme Naming:
- The Superjail! fanfic Extended Stay
does this with the Warden and the Mistress's twins Matilda and Ethan. A review gave the author suggestions that the twins be named after the star-crossed lovers in Ethan Frome. Obviously, the author took the suggestions for the names but then added in "Elizabeth" and "Victor" for their middle names. Hmm... Considering that the twins eventually become owners of Ultraprison and Superjail, almost like coming-of-age monarchs in a kingdom, could it be that they were also named for famous real-life monarchs as well and English monarchs no less? Possibly combined with Named After Somebody Famous.
- This could possibly be an in-universe example given how close the Warden and the Mistress were to becoming star-crossed lovers themselves.
- "Elizabeth" could either refer to Henry VIII's daughter, the now-deceased mother of the current Queen of England AKA the Queen Mum, or Her Majesty the Queen herself.
- "Victor" is a masculine form of "Victoria", which was the name of the English queen who reigned from 1837 to 1901.
- "Elizabeth" and "Victor" most likely came from another pair of lovers, this time from Frankenstein. These are the first names of the infamous Doctor and his wife. His parents raised them as something like adopted siblings with the intention of two marrying each other as adults.
- Their little brother Edward is probably named after the English king who succeeded Queen Victoria after she died. Either that or he could've been named for King Henry VIII's surviving son.
Lots of speculation in this entry, for a fic that only has about 25 faves and 13 follows at this time. How should I cut down this entry? Should I first trim it of speculation, leaving only the entries that seem to be explicitly confirmed or obvious enough to be a direct reference?
openIs Animorphism voluntary or not?
rjd1922 removed an Animorphism wick from The Princess And The Frog saying "Animorphism must be voluntary". And indeed, that's what it says on the laconic page. But the page itself has a section for both voluntary and involuntary examples.
So, is it required for the trope to be voluntary or not?
openDo Zero Context Examples apply to Awesome Music?
A short while ago, I added some Alstroemeria Records recommendations to AwesomeMusic.Touhou Other Works, only for them to get commented out by mlsmithca for being Zero Context Examples with a notification from AnoBakaDesu shortly after. I was left baffled. I can understand giving context to tropes because that's the standard rule, but for music? I figured they're automatically self-explanatory with no need for context. The albums I posted are also very lengthy compilations of dance remixes so there was no way I can describe them all properly.
Courtesy link here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=AwesomeMusic.TouhouOtherWorks
openZeldaQueen64...again
On February 14th, 2018, Tropers.Zelda Queen 64 added natter to NightmareFuel.Junji Ito. ([[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=NightmareFuel.JunjiIto&more=t
Page History).
Specifically, they added this entry:
- When Mimi moves into the apartment next to the woman's, she finds a tiny hole the previous occupant had used to spy on the woman. When Mimi takes a look, she sees the woman adjusting her arm. Even worse, the woman hears Mimi gasping and extends her arm to reach through the hole to try to grab Mimi! When Mimi uses a bookcase to cover the hole and locks the door to protect herself, the woman goes outside and extends herself so that she can climb in the window to get at Mimi. Mimi faints shortly after and fortunately wakes up to find everything back to normal, but it's still terrifying to watch. Not to mention, while nothing actually does happen, the idea of being unconscious while such a terrifying being can get at you is plenty horrifying.
The info was later transferred to NightmareFuel.Mimis Ghost Stories, but the indentation remained the same. It also violates spoiler policy since Nightmare Fuel subpages are Spoilers Off.
I'm only just now reporting it because, up until literally today, I was unaware Zelda Queen 64 was active. Even then, their edit history
only shows edits going to 2018 after restarting in 2017.
That said, back in 2016, this troper had already been notified
of natter, had been suspended for it
when they didn't stop, and promised not to do so again
in the future.
openTropefying creator pages
I understand that we can tropefy the pages of creators as long as its talking about their work. For example, recurring tropes, recurring quotes, recurring themes, and so on. However, I'm seeing that for years, the page of Akira Toriyama has been more about the man personal quirks rather than the tropes he shows in his comics.
I'm sort of confused if I should clean up his page, as while talking about his real life quirks can give context on why he felt the need to write this or that the way he did, the page itself is just tropefying him, which shouldn't happen.
openNSFW warnings? Videogame
Would it be okay to add warnings for links that could be potentially NSFW but nothing explicit?
I would like to add an example to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate under Hilarious in Hindsight that involves a link to deviantart (You can already tell where this is going) and the link contains some....fetish art. Would it be ok to add a warning for any readers who might click the link as it could squick people if they're not prepared or into it?
Side note the picture itself is fine but the users page contains some racy art so would it be appropriate to post a link with a warning, just the image itself (which I'm hesitant as it doesnt give the creator credit), no link at all, or just axe the example altogether?
openDoes my entry have too much word cruft in it, or might be a bit too emotionally biased? Videogame
I've remade the Half-Quake entry over in Video Games, due to the entry I made before that being way too-run on and inconsisntent. I want to make sure I'm avoiding word-cruft and overly emotionally-charged content. Here's the entry I made so that way if there's any errors I've made, either regarding typos or not following the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, it'll be here and not in some awkward place.
- The Half-Life mod trilogy "Halfquake", can be very difficult to sit through due to it's bleak message of "Life makes no sense, and you may as well just kill yourself" it tells you from the get-go, as well as it's murky-gray visuals after the first part. However, each of the three mods themselves carry varying degrees of overwhelming darkness that can be difficult to sit though just by themselves:
- The first mod, HalfQuake, stands as the least darkest part of the trilogy, but that really isn't saying much considering that you won't see much of anything that isn't either an enemy, concrete and/or steel, or lava. It also happens to be the only part of the trilogy that gives you a HUD, as well as the classic run/gun action of the first Half-Life game. The fact that throughout the mod, you can't escape the facility is made rather clear in a section where you sneak through the backrooms and into a house, only to be dumped right back into the trap-laden path uncerimoniously with a message aptly saying "you cannot escape, dumbass (sic)". You also end up getting killed right after you defeat the boss of the mod, Somos, which is also how the other two parts end as well.
- The second part, Halfquake: Amen, takes a swan-dive right into darkness as well as dump most of anything related to conventional FP Ses out the window. Most of the time spent throughout Amen will be either though the life or death chambers, semi-lonely atmospheric enviorments, or deadly traps/puzzles the first game uses. Whilst the captors in the first game made humourously dark remarks about the situation you're in, Amen ramps up the "dark" part, but not the "humorous", leaving you to deal with cruel and unpleasant people after cruel and unpleasant people. Amen also provides music for some of the parts you'll be going through (including an ending song, "Half-Quake Theme), the songs themselves rather downbeat, both in music and lyrical content.
- The third entry in the series, Sunrise, gameplay-wise, is where the series really starts to become an exersise in futility, the deadly puzzles and trap-laden hallways really starting to ramp up in this iteration. The few splashes of color that the previous two games had, aside from camoes near the end, are now entirely gone, save for a really, really light blue. Story-wise, aside from the final boss and a few disembodied voices, there's no NP Cs to interact with in Sunrise at all, your only form of breaking this sheer emptiness being a "Victim Message Box", which introduces to the only 3 people you'll be hearing from consistently throughout the mod: A guy voice who wants you dead and taunts you, a crazed man rambling about a cogwheel named "Mary", and getting angry at you when you're unable to find her (not that any cogwheels you can grab appear in the mod), and a lady who really hates you and wants you dead. The pitch-black atmosphere of Amen is also present as ever here, and doesn't stop for any moments of levity.
- Half Quake's spinoff, "Personal Halfquake", is directly based on Amen and a bit of the original Half_Quake, as well as having updated to support some of Sunrise, and it proves to be just as dark as the main game. Most of the game is spent stealing people from what's implied to be places that haven't done any wrong, and placing them in similarly made trap-laden hallways the Half-Quake trilogy features. Most of the places you go to are all managed by slaves, who have either been broken beyond repair, or are jerks who loathe your guts. The "Chosen Victim" mechanic involves kidnapping one of your victims, and inducing Stockholm Syndrome in them, allowing you to do paticularly cruel things to them.
openPossible Character-centric Entry Pimping? Videogame
This has been a thing that bugged me for a while, but does anyone else feel that a lot of the entries under Lunafreya's folder on the Final Fantasy XV - Other Allies page come off as shoehorning? Especially considering that while she's a divisive Base-Breaking Character rather than The Scrappy, the part where she's considered to be a Flat Character with minimal screentime is largely unanimous and the divide comes down to whether she was always a shallow and uninteresting character or whether she was originally a rounder character whose depth was all cut out of the game. Hence most of the entries (which were made before the novel that finally fleshes her out was released) come on the back of what appears to be Fan Wank extrapolations rather than supported by the primary text of the game, considering she has so little dialogue, even less interacting with others.
A few of them come from the Kingsglaive movie, which is where the bulk of her screentime and character depth come from, but is also known for being basically a different character from her in-game portrayal. But others seem to be attempting to spin something meaningful out of offhand comments from the flatter in-game depiction that don't actually manifest meaningfully into tropes. I personally don't remember a lot of these entries from when I played it, and at best some of these even appear to be the result of the rather chaotic and inconsistent promotion for the game that often contradicted itself.
Edited by AlleyOopopenIntentionnal Special Effect Failure
Should an animation that's intentionnaly bad have Special Effect Failure ? The YMMV page of Mario Pissing have Special Effect Failure for the fact that the noise is not realistic but considering the animation itself, it's one of the less worst thing there is. In general, should a work have Special Effect Failure even if the effect is meant to be bad ?
openForeign language video examples: are they allowed?
I have video example idea that I feel demonstrates a trope very well, but it’s from a French TV show that has no official translation in English, and it’s a dialogue related trope. My questions are:
- Am I allowed to use it in the first place?
- If so, am I allowed to use an existing fansub of the show?
- If not, should I add subtitles myself?
- If it shouldn't have subtitles, should I put the translation in the description?
Edited by arimothereindeeropenGuidlines to adding video example
So, in simple terms, what are the guidlines for adding a video example? Are there any specific channels I need to go through before adding one, or can I simply add it to the page?
Are GI Fs acceptable video examples, or do they need to be longer?
And if I wanted a specific You Tube video used as a video example, but I am unable to download it and add it myself, is there a way to get it added still?
openMisuse + Edit war
In the Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Luna Sea originally added an unfitting example of Suspiciously Similar Substitute, a trope about replacing characters, applied here for non-character stuff (in this case, two locations that just happen to share thematic motifs from other two locations respectively from the first Metroid Prime. I removed the example, explaining why in the edit reason. But then they added the example back, and on top of that they added another unfitting example, which applies the trope improperly with items. See for yourself.
I need permission to remove those unfitting examples, because that troper's actions entered edit war territory.
openChaotic evil automatically a YMMV trope? Music
Was editing the page for Razia's Shadow and tried adding the Chaotic Evil trope to the list of examples, but it automatically turned into a YMMV trope instead of a normal bullet point trope. Is Chaotic Evil automatically a YMMV / subjective interpretation trope? I would have thought if the character being described never has his motivations for an evil deed explained in canon apart from "because he wants to", that would count as Chaotic Evil, no YMMV about it. (For context: the character in question is Barayas the spider, who in the song "The Spider and the Lamps" from the musical Razia's Shadow encourages another character to literally Set the World on Fire without apparently gaining anything from it himself. Lyrics of the song here: https://genius.com/Forgive-durden-the-spider-and-the-lamps-lyrics)
Is there any way to sumbit the Chaotic Evil trope to the examples list without turning into a YMMV trope? Or should I just submit it to the YMMV page?
openUnreliable WhatCouldHaveBeen Videogame
Trivia.Fallout New Vegas has two What Could Have Been entries that I can't find any sources supporting. While early demos do show the Strip as all one zone, I can't find anything saying this was the case for Freeside, though there are some Dummied Out Freeside NPCs like beggars and pickpockets.
- The Mysterious Stranger would have teleported in and instantly killed you if you tried to target the Lonesome Drifter in VATS.
- The New Vegas Strip and Freeside used to be whole zones by themselves. Early showcases of the game showed of the whole Strip, and it is also rendered that way in the intro cinematic. Freeside itself was a single massive zone, including a number of no-name generic NPCs and the Mormon Fort having open gates. Both instances were "sectioned off" due to the Xbox 360 and Play Station 3 not having the necessary processing power to render all the NPCs running around the Strip and Freeside without some serious slowdown or even game crashes. The Strip just had two gaudy scrap metal gates separating it into three zones. Freeside, however, got hit harder: fences/gates made from junked buses, the Mormon Fort was made its own zone, and NPCs were cut to reduce the memory problems. Appropriately, there are a pair of mods that convert the Strip and Freeside to their early open area builds.
openWhat should be done with Blog/ScaramouchesAttic ?
The page itself simply says "Page is currently under construction.", and was last edited in 2017.
It seems that it once had some actual content, but it was written by the creator of the work itself, and no one else. Should it get taken to the cut list, or should an earlier version of it be restored?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Blog/ScaramouchesAttic
openMain trope not counting as an index?
I recently created a Excuse Plot page for DEATH BATTLE!. Someone told me through a PM to put it in an index, so I just put it on the main trope page because there was already an index for it. They later responded and said I did a "half-ass job" indexing it and that I should look for another page to put it on.
So I can't put a page for a bunch of examples for a trope on the main trope page itself?
openUnofficial vs official English spellings Anime
Minor spoilers for One Piece below
So there's a character/group in the One Piece manga called "Rox". Many of the fan translations (and Oda himself) spell it as "Rocks", but the official English releases from VIZ and Crunchyroll use "Rox". Since it's the most recent official English version, I edited One Piece: Historical Figures and Flashback Characters to reflect this spelling. Troper killerdurian2 reverted the changes, citing Oda. I didn't undo his edit, as that would be considered edit warring, but I did send him a PM explaining my reasoning and asking if he would reverse his changes.
Just wanting to confirm, the "most recent official English translation" guideline is still in effect yes?
Edited by DeeeFoo

Lately, I've been seeing links to the article for George Gipe's novelization of Back to the Future as a Red Link, like so. However, the page itself is still intact. Worried about the page being cut, I took no chances and moved all of the examples from that page to the page for B to the F: The Novelization of the Feature Film in case. I checked the Recent Cuts page
, but it's not there. I checkd the Cut List page
, but it's not there either. Can someone tell me whether it's actually being cut or not?