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openEdit War Web Original
On the recap page for RWBY's final episode for Volume 9
:
- Full Metal Heart 20 added a Surprisingly Realistic Outcome entry tackling Ruby's ascension
.
- It was deemed misuse by Wyldchyld, who deleted it
about four hours after it was added.
- Full Metal Heart 20 re-added the entry, albeit worded differently
with no given edit reason.
openWork example, fanwork quote
There's a number of Warhammer 40 K examples illustrated with a quote from If The Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device, a fanwork. Do they need to be removed or can they be left in since it's commenting on a canon occurence of a trope?
For instance, on Wretched Hive:
- The Dark Eldar are a race of Always Chaotic Evil Space Elves, and their capital Commorragh fit the trope. The city is ruled by warring kabals and the only semblance of government is the biggest kabal that's powerful enough to boss the others around. Getting killed by a total stranger in broad daylight (well, technically due to its location in the Webway there is no day and night cycle in Commorragh, only perpetual twilight) in the middle of a street is seen as a perfectly normal occurrence. [...]
The Emperor of Mankind: If there is one place you do not want to find yourself alone, it is that place. If the galaxy was a run-down town, Commorragh would be the local nightclub-turned-insane asylum.
- The Dark Eldar are a race of Always Chaotic Evil Space Elves, and their capital Commorragh fit the trope. The city is ruled by warring kabals and the only semblance of government is the biggest kabal that's powerful enough to boss the others around. Getting killed by a total stranger in broad daylight (well, technically due to its location in the Webway there is no day and night cycle in Commorragh, only perpetual twilight) in the middle of a street is seen as a perfectly normal occurrence. [...]
open Without Sin: All Star Edition Western Animation
Hi there, I'm the author of the fanfic Loud House Story "Without Sin: All Star Edition". A fan made an entry here on the site... and it was brought to my attention the story was cut.
Now, be that as it may for the entry being cut, after reading the thread involved, I saw a gross mischarterization of my story and wanted to set the record straight.
For one, the story is not an endorsement of Incest, or child sexual action. There are no explicit sex scenes within the story. There are no 'lemons', no detailed scenes of characters engaged in the act of sex with one another.
For two, the story does not condone what has transpired between Lincoln in the "Sinverse" and his sisters. The quotes that were used in the thread were all from 'Sin Lincoln"'s perspective. He is biased, that's the point. He doesn't want to see what transpired between himself and his sisters as 'wrong'.
For three, the 'sins' of his family have resulted in one of his own children being a victim within the story of grooming.
What has happened to Lemy, with his aunt 'Lily' is not presented as good and wholesome, but quite the opposite.
The point of this story is to take a good hard look at the 'sinkids' fandom in the Loud House, and present the realistic circumstances that would have to take place for them to exist...with a Lincoln from another world who was not involved in an incestuous relationship with his sisters becoming involved and how he reacts to it.
The story is not an endorsement of incest, child sexualploitation or anything akin to that. It is a condemnation of those things... while still presenting the children that resulted from the actions as 'innocent' of their parents's collective sins.
While titlation does exist within the story, there are no sex scenes and there will be no sex scenes within the story. I can understand if you think the story still does not 'belong' on tvtropes but I wanted to set the record straight exactly on what the story is NOT.
It is not an erotic incest pedophiliac story meant for wank material.
It is instead an exploration of the fandom of the Loud House that often has an incest filtered Kink, but in a realistic manner with the consequences of those actions.
Thank you.
open Argument over a fanfic with a deleted page - resolution needed
Someone needs to step in on the comments section of a review thread.
A little over six years ago, one troper (Valiona) wrote a negative review
of a fanfic by another troper (deltanine) who rewrote a chapter of Fairy Tail so that Erza Scarlet enacts Cold-Blooded Torture on her tormentor, Kyouya, far beyond anything that was done to her (and far more violent than is typical of Fairy Tail as a whole, but the author has continuously defended the events of their story as justified and insists that it isn't a Troll Fic). In 2021, delta bumped the review to complain about the P5 decision to zap the work page advertising it (instead of appealing to the mods after their ATT complaint was rejected
after being told that they don't have the final say in what goes on the page and what doesn't). As recently as two days ago, delta bumped the review a second time to complain about the deletion again, and the conversation since has steered off-topic from discussing the merits/demerits of the fic to other users complaining about delta's necro-posting.
P.S. I wanted to use the ATT function instead of the "Flag This" link in the review since that indicates there's some problem with the quality of the review itself (I don't think there is).
Edited by MacronNotesopenWeblinks to facebook and image hosting websites Anime
Hi everyone,
While reading the Nightmare Fuel page of Kimetsu no Yaiba
, I encountered an entry in the "Red Light District Arc" (third bullet point, second sub-bullet) which contains two weblinks: one to a facebook page, and one to what I guess is an image hosting website (well, your guess is as good as mine regarding a website called "sportshub" being that kind of website). Both links are used to show screens of what the character looks like in the anime.
From Weblinks Are Not Examples, it seems it is frowned upon to use links like that. Moreover, the entry itself is written well enough to not necessitate those images. Thus I'm contacting tropers to ask if I should remove these links or leave them as is. I know there is a tolerance for some weblinks (namely when linking to songs - and even then, broken You Tube links happen quite often), but I'm not quite sure this qualify.
EDIT: There is another instance of this kind of link a little further actually, under the "Chapter 92-94/S 2 E 10:" bullet point of the same folder.
Edited by NonoRobotopenNot quite a straight example? Videogame
From the Video Game section of Somebody Doesn't Love Raymond:
' 'Psychonauts 2: According to Lili, Truman Zanotto is the only person who doesn't like the workplace-beloved mail clerk Nick Johnsmith, regarding him as a sycophantic Yes-Man. (Or in his words, an "obsequious little lickspittle".)''
This entry, while accurate, isn't quite a straight example - the reason is that Truman Zanotto is Nick Johnsmith, who is actually a deposed tyrant seeking revenge. Truman has "Nick's" brain inside him, while "Nick" has been rendered mindless. So in truth, the person "Truman" apparently doesn't love is himself.
While complicated, what does this detail make this entry? A subversion? Played with? Zig-Zagged? I'm not sure but it's not as straightforward as the trope implies.
Edited by DragonFaxopenWhy is this entry commented-out?
I found this on Reconstruction.Video Games:
- Cassette Beasts seeks to revitalize the Mons genre by redesigning around all the problems that come with Fridge-Horroring these adorably fluffy creatures. Rather than capturing monsters, brainwashing them to love you the moment they're enslaved, and forcing them to fight one another for your reputation, you're using your supernatural recorders to copy the data of monsters and turn into them yourselves, typically for self-defense from said fairly-aggressive monsters. You're allowed to casually store, trade away, or even destroy your unneeded monster cassettes, because you're not actually enslaving living beings, but making mindless copies of their data to use as your weapons and armor. 'Trainers' have a far more active role, as their own strengths fuel the respective strengths of their monster forms, they need to put themselves directly in harm's way to 'catch' a monster, and they take damage if they've pushed their monsters' health past the breaking point. The humans' unique strength is that they can combine with other trainers to make stronger monsters. The wackiness needed to live in a magical monster-infested world is thoroughly addressed, as the entire human cast has no idea why they're stuck in another world or how any of this wackiness functions, only that they have to make the most of it and harness what they can experiment with. Most of the loot you acquire from fighting monsters is literally trash washed up from other worlds, the kind of stuff you'd expect curious animals to hold onto - but in a world that's cut off from industry, bartering for raw materials like these is a necessity.
I have no idea why it's commented out — it seems pretty context-full to me, and there isn't a note explaining why — but I don't want to unhide it without a second opinion in case this counts as edit-warring.
openNRLEP violations
Epic Fail is listed as No Real Life Examples Please, but the Live-Action TV subpage has these two examples which strike me as Real Life examples:
- One of the funniest outtakes for Mystery Science Theater 3000 involved one of those. Joel had to come on the set and say one word. That word being "waffles." While he's eating waffles. In an episode where every host segment is about waffles. The camera starts rolling:
Joel: "...Pancakes. Oh, I blew it!"
- In-universe example, but just fortuitous in Real Life: Michael Richards was once reminiscing about how, on the set of Seinfeld, he performed an impromptu pratfall while walking through Jerry's door as part of his "Kramer" character. As Richards's feet flew out from under him, one of them went completely over his head, curled around the doorknob, and closed the door all by itself. Richards regretted that he would never be able to do that again.
In fact, I'm not even sure that the latter is an example at all. Candidates for removal?
openQuestion about modified pictures
Hello, dear tropers. Currently, I'm working on a russian translation of TV Tropes and I have question about pictures taken from comics(either web or paper, doesn't matter). The thing is that since they content writings in english and they are also illustrations of certain tropes, it's needed that they have to be translated in russian to make viewer understand. Yeah, i can translate 'em in description below the picture, but I thought that it would be better if image itself contains translated text. So i need to erase text in it and then write text in russian. On TV Tropes, is this legal and acceptable?
Edited by DopamineMess-14-qqopenRangers Live Action TV
I just signed up and would like to add to this folder. There are several prominant TV shows featuring rangers that are not yet included and I'd like to add them.
The Lone Ranger Walker, Texas Ranger Laredo Trackdown
In movies there is also the Comancheros In Western Animation there is the series Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers.
I'm happy to make the additions myself but don't see a way to do that. Is there a tutorial?
openCharacter Perception Evolution questions?
Questions about these from Character Perception Evolution:
- Star Wars: The Prequel Trilogy's take on Anakin Skywalker was widely derided along with the prequels themselves on release for being a whiny, selfish brat whose turn to evil failed to be sympathetic and who ruined the image of Darth Vader. With time the detractors softened, claiming that Anakin's actor Hayden Christensen, for whatever faults may have lied in his acting direction, still gave a phenomenal performance and created a modern Tragic Hero. The more favorable opinion strengthened with the release of the Sequel Trilogy, where Anakin's grandson Kylo Ren attempted to fix something that wasn't broken and came out a confusing mess thanks to the constant script changes caused by the Sequel Trilogy's Troubled Production, basically receiving all the criticisms that were once leveled at Anakin save for the acting one. His portrayal in Star Wars: The Clone Wars, which was seen to mesh better with the heroic image Obi-Wan had of him in the Original Trilogy, also helped in endearing him to a newer audience. When Hayden returned to the role in Obi-Wan Kenobi, his performance was widely praised.
The bolded part was removed citing "The point about his portrayal in the animated series is closer to Rescued from the Scrappy Heap." But prior ATT
agreed with me that Rescued can still count it it caused their pre-recused material to retroactively be judged more favorably. So permission to add it back modifying to fit this?
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: Princess Luna only briefly appeared in the Season 1 premiere after being de-corrupted from her stint as Nightmare Moon. She was popular with the fans despite her limited personality and dialogue, and Fanon portraying her as The Woobie and a Shrinking Violet quickly caught on as the accepted interpretation. Then the Season 2 episode "Luna Eclipsed" gave Luna her first major role... and revealed she was a Large Ham. Fans vastly preferred this canon personality and the "Woona" fanon was quickly abandoned.
This seems misuse as every other CPE example is not about their fanon, but their popularity (be it love, hate, Love to Hate, vilify, or whitewash). And later martial may have changed how Luna is seen in fanon/overall but I don't believe it changed how she's seen in her Season 1 portrayal itself (less than a minute of screentime, just two lines, extreme Early Installment Character-Design Difference) Is evolving fanon separate enough to warrant cutting this a it's not her popularity that changed?
openIs it possible to create a series on TV Tropes?
I was wondering if someone can make a series on TV Tropes itself. What I mean is: not a work page about a pre-created series, but an actual series created on TV Tropes. I saw in the How to Create a Work Page... page that tropers can trope even things that don't exist (yet) in a Just for Fun page, like the TV Tropes: The Webcomic page. So how about creating an actual series using TV Tropes as a medium?
open Large Ham and Milikng the Giant Cow
Is Milking the Giant Cow a necessary part of Large Ham trope? Page itself says that, for example, shouting at the top of the lungs isn't, and any ' 'boisterous' ' expression of character's emotion including intense gesticulation by this logic would be too. Cold Ham trope and some examples imply that too. But Large Ham trope page in the part where it is discussed says something like "and Milking the Giant Cow to no small degree"... So i'm confused. What's the actual truth?
Note:I've already made this question and nobode replied.
openDoes this fanfic example even exist? Literature
So, in the "The Reason You Suck" Speech page, specifically the section for crossover fanfics, there are two fics that confuse me: Fire & Ice, a crossover between Frozen and The Hobbit, and The Transformers My Little Pony Crossover 2, a crossover between... well, you know. Now, if you look at the examples each fic gives, you'll notice that both speeches are practically the same thing, even ending on the whole "You will die for wasting my time". Now, the thing that confuses me is that, whereas the MLP/Transformers fic has a link to the fic itself, Fire & Ice doesn't, so I have no idea to confirm whether or not it exists.
openSelf-demonstrating page overrides indentation rules?
SelfDemonstrating.Beavis And Butt Head has quite a bit of Natter. Apparently it's the two characters responding to each other. Do we let this be because it's a self-demonstrating page or do we axe the natter?
openTroping reality TV shows (e.g. Drag Race) - contestants, presenters and judges Live Action TV
So...
Following on from this post
on the Character Page Cleanup Thread, and this earlier Creator Page Cleanup
discussion, there seems to be a grey area with regard to troping reality TV.
Administrivia.Real Life Troping clearly says:
So, looking at something like RuPaul's Drag Race -
- I can see that the competing drag queens (who have very carefully constructed personas) can potentially be troped as characters in their drag identities.
- ...but do we trope the judges and others (e.g. the 'pit crew' teams, who have no alter ego and are scantily-dressed support staff) - we have character page tropes entries for them all, and things like Age-Gap Romance and Token Minority (for the only straight guy) troped for the real people. That feels like a step too far.
- We also have Characters page examples for things like Older Than They Look (no Real Life) for RuPaul, Berserk Button (referencing her Real Life childhood bullying) for judge Michelle Visage and similar examples from the contestants' real pre-show, offscreen lives. In some cases I'm not sure they've even been directly mentioned in the work itself.
I know an awful lot of effort's gone into some of the pages, and I don't want to make major changes without a consensus (which didn't really happen with the previous forum threads, hence this post) - the one comment on the last post seemed to agree that this crossed into NRLEP, though.
What are people's views?
Edited by Mrph1open Capitalizing 'Black Mirror: Arkangel'
Individual recap subpages of Black Mirror have a directory up top. The one for season 4 looks like this, with bolded text for the page you're on:
[[WMG:[[center:[-Recap: Black Mirror Series Four USS Callister | ArkAngel | Crocodile | Hang the DJ | Metalhead | Black Museum-]]]]]
A while ago
I changed the capitalization of the episode title "ArkAngel" to "Arkangel" in the directory of all s4 episodes, citing this trailer
. That's also how it's referred to on Wikipedia
, IMDB
, the BM wiki
, reviews [1]
[2]
and most importantly, the release platform Netflix itself (I just checked).
Nevertheless, the capitalization has been switched back to the old one on all the s4 recap pages by Tropers/rjung (whom I will be PM'ing to come here).
This seems like a clear-cut revert, any objections?
Edited by SynchronicityopenTrope entry refers to "trope image"
Over at Trivia.Cobra Verde (courtesy link to page history
), the lone entry on the page, for Hostility on the Set, was originally written on 3 January by Anicomicgeek and opened with "The trope picture came from this film" (the page image for Hostility on the Set shows Klaus Kinski holding a machete to Werner Herzog's neck).
I re-wrote the entry on 15 January to correct a factual inaccuracy (as originally written, the entry claimed Kinski is trying to strangle Herzog) and remove the reference to the trope image, since Image Pickin' changes or removes such images on a regular basis.
On 6 February, Anicomicgeek changed the entry again by changing "A widely circulated photo shows..." to "The trope picture is, in fact, a widely circulated photo shows...", making the entry grammatically incorrect, adding Word Cruft ("in fact"), and once again violating the rule against mentioning page images in trope entries.
So no Edit War has taken place, but I wanted to be sure I wouldn't be straying into that territory myself by undoing this edit, since I wrote the previous version. And is there an appropriate notifier to send for this?
open Is This An Instance Of "Blind Idiot Translation" Or "Translation Train Wreck"?
So, I have an absolutely hilarious instance of mistranslation and I'm not sure if it's a "Blind Idiot" Translation or a Translation Train Wreck.
This hilarious mistranslation comes from two facts: 1. The German dub of SpongeBob SquarePants renamed Squidward to "Thaddäus Tentakel", and 2. Google Translate's neural network-based translation software has a tendency to pick up patterns in language... even when it really shouldn't. End result: Any instance of the name "Thaddäus" has decent chance of being translated as "Squidward". (See for yourself
with Thaddius Vent).
So is this a "Blind Idiot" Translation, Translation Train Wreck, or something else?
Edited by sRAMrelevrat

On the Real Life subpage for Facing Death With Dignity we've got listings for a Gestapo agent, Italian Fascists (including Benito Mussolini himself) and even Nicolae Ceausescu. Should we be listing these people on the wiki in this fashion? https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FaceDeathWithDignity/RealLife