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openanother stub page
I found a fic page with a perfectly good summary but only two tropes listed.
Now, this page was made in 2020 and last edit was a year ago, and it has the total of ten edits. I checked the linked fic and it's completed.
Should I send this straight to the cutlist or should we hold out hope that someone will add to it? I mean, if I could do that myself I would be adding already, but I can't so...
openvalid deletion? Print Comic
Paul A removed this example from Sexually Transmitted Superpowers (plus a similar example from an adaptation):
- Played very darkly in The Sandman (1989): in "Dream Country," wealthy author Erasmus Fry reveals that he owes his superhuman inspiration to the fact that he was able to bind the muse Calliope to him. Though he knew that it was possible to gain inspiration by simply wooing Calliope, he found that simply locking her in a room and repeatedly raping her was effective enough to get ideas. Ultimately, Fry sells Calliope to Richard Madoc, an up-and-coming author in desperate need of inspiration; Madoc continues the use of the Muse as a Sex Slave, allowing him to become a Renaissance Man author capable of working in multiple genres and assuming perspectives that would normally be outside his abilities. Unfortunately for both Fry and Madoc, it's indicated that the inspiration gained from raping Calliope will not grant long-term success, leaving them wealthy but forgotten while authors who sought legitimate inspiration are cherished and remembered. However, before he can learn this, Madoc finds himself becoming a target of Calliope's ex-boyfriend, Dream.
Their argument in the edit reason is "Being inspired to write a novel is not a superpower".
Thing is, as I understand it that's kind of the whole point of the Muses: they're goddesses who literally represent the concept of artistic inspiration.
So, what do y'all think?
Edited by StarSwordopenPersona 5 Dreamer Edit War
The page on the page for Maruki from Persona 5 Royal has been subject to an edit war. I deleted the entries for Affably Evil
openPossibly-imminent Edit War in YMMV/LimbusCompany Videogame
Happening in Limbus Company
Edit by me
, on the Good Bad Bugs entry, i changed it from:
- When part 3 of Canto IV came out, there was a bug where Sloth and Wrath Power Up, instead of increasing the respective sin's power by 1 per stack, would increase their damage by 100% per stack instead. This, particularly combined with Yi Sang's already powerful Sunshower EGO and synergystic Spicebush ID, resulted in Yi Sang being able to completely decimate waves by himself and casually deal 4-digit damage to Abnormalities with multiple parts.
to:
- When part 3 of Canto IV came out, there was a bug where Sloth and Wrath Power Up, instead of increasing the respective sin's power by 1 per stack, would increase their damage by 100 per stack instead. This, particularly combined with Yi Sang's already powerful Sunshower EGO and synergystic Spicebush ID, resulted in Yi Sang being able to completely decimate waves by himself and casually deal 4-digit damage to Abnormalities with multiple parts.
Dat Boi 10 changed the edit back to
:
- When part 3 of Canto IV came out, there was a bug where Sloth and Wrath Power Up, instead of increasing the respective sin's power by 1 per stack, would increase their damage by 100% per stack instead. This, particularly combined with Yi Sang's already powerful Sunshower EGO and synergystic Spicebush ID, resulted in Yi Sang being able to completely decimate waves by himself and casually deal 4-digit damage to Abnormalities with multiple parts.
Which has the major problem of "100%" being equal to a multiplier of 1, basically saying it increases the sin power damage by 1 per stack, when the bug is about the power increase being more like 100 times because of said bug.
I feel like the other editor misunderstood what "100%" would actually mean in a mathematical context, and i'd like the misunderstanding to be cleared up for them before an Edit War breaks out.
Edited by SomeLibreopenFake Memories? Won't Work or Handwave?
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S3 E13 "Magical Mystery Cure"
- Fake Memories: The destiny switch results in the ponies with switched destinies getting false memories to go with them that dissuade them from questioning why they are so bad at their 'destiny'. The problem is they didn't receive the skills to go along with the memories. Exactly how extensive their memory alterations were is not explored.
This seem explicitly contradicted by the episode as when Spike asks about using the memory spell to restore them Twilight states "It's not their memories, Spike. It's their true selves that have been altered!"
So due Fake Memories not apply if so directly contradicted? Still apply if it doesn't explain how this is different/more extensive than memory alteration? Or is Ambiguous Situation more fitting as it doesn't clearly explain how this worked?
And would Twilight's statement be Simple Solution Won't Work (an intended as legitimate explanation why not) or Hand Wave (a flimsy explanation self-aware about such), or is it/can it be both? I assume the former because it lack the attempt to deflect/dodge the issue.
F1 the MS Office robo-assistant
openEntry removed without edit reason on Arthur recap page: okay to restore or not? Western Animation
On Arthur S1 E18 - "Arthur's Chicken Pox" / "Sick as a Dog", this entry was deleted without an edit reason
a while ago by the now perma-suspended
troper TV Lubber:
- Kick the Dog: D.W. almost literally does this when she tells Arthur "We can get a good dog now" when Pal gets sick. She may be only four years old, but that's a rather insensitive remark to make about someone's pet, especially under those circumstances.
The reason I'm asking if this is okay to add back is not only because adding it back without consensus would be an Edit War, but the entry is also negative towards D.W., a character I've been previously been suspended for writing bashy entries about, so I'm worried that re-adding it without consensus from other tropers may be seen as me relapsing in my D.W.-bashing ways and earn me a second suspension. You can see the scene for yourself in this video
starting at 0:05, so you can make an accurate judgement based on the context.
open AC formatting issue?
Earlier I sent a private message to a usually reliable helper on this site about this:
"As of now, using the AC (with double square brackets) formatting make them appear as a separate link automatically from others. I think back then some of these look like just simply another stylish way to bold text, and an example of use is seen with GLaDOS's self-demonstrating page, and this is the most atrocious change thanks to how AC now forces a line break between the non-AC text.
Any idea how to help with this? And it's not just this page, a plenty of pages had AC text formatting."
The reply I got was "Ask on Ask The Tropers. I don't know what to do.". I'm not sure either what I could do with that, but the new AC formatting made it...rather uncomfortable for me to try to read through all of the text, especially since the AC formatting is used as self-demonstrated example of AcCENT upon the Wrong SylLABle.
Edited by JustNormalMusicLoveropenAn example that really irks me, I want to correct it but I dont know the thread. Videogame
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SurprisinglyHappyEnding
- Final Fantasy VI seems like it's well on its way some kind of tragic or heavily bittersweet ending after Kefka destroys the world, but whether it gets that way is entirely up to the actions of the player, as any party deaths, as well as the death of Cid, are entirely preventable, with the only hero who's unaccounted for being Banon, and once the party defeats Kefka the ending goes out of its way to show that the "World of Ruin" is on its way to recovery.
This entry completely glosses over the extinction of an entire race of magical beings. The only survivor is the main character Terra who only survived because she's half human. I wanted to add this fact but If I did then it wouldnt be the trope or at least it would argue with itself which is a nono.
Edited by wingedcatgirlopenHow do you install page images?
Relatively new Troper here. I find the coding for creating new pages pretty much self-explanatory, except for the installing of page images. Could someone please clue me in on how to do that?
openQuestion about Fic Recs Western Animation
I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no, but am I allowed to recommend a fic I myself have written? I've always thought it was no and thought it said that somewhere on the fic page, but I can't find it.
open Is this a valid example of UU?
LL Smooth J added this to Manga-Waido.
Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Leo
I discussed with a friend on Discord and he thinks that Leo's actions are the result of his abusive family and he didn't have his grandparents to rely on.
So what to do with this example?
Edited by mickey96openBad one-off edit Live Action TV
Tropers.imajakov's first and so far only edit, from about a month ago, was to add an entry to Series.House for the nonexistent trope "Genius Level Intellect." The entry itself didn't have any grammar issues and did accurately describe the show and title character, but, well... that isn't a real trope. They also wrote it out un-wikiworded as "Genius Level intellect" (complete with capitalization error)
Edited by Dirtyblue929openGirlfriends/Girl Friends
Howdy. New here, still learning my way around the site, apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, feel free to let me know if there's a better place for this kind of thing.
If you visit:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/GirlFriends
you will learn about a yuri manga from Morinaga Milk.
If you click on the "Characters" tab, you will learn about the characters of a completely unrelated live-action TV show named "Girlfriends". The "Series" tab is also about this same TV show.
If you click on the "Film" tab, you will learn about an independent film completely unrelated to either the manga or the TV show.
Is this working as intended? Or is it something that can/should be fixed?
If it's something that can/should be fixed, is it a fix which readers like myself can fix? Or is intervention from a Higher Power required?
open New NRLEP Crowner!
The crowner for the week of June 4 - 10 is:
- Appeal to Worse Problems - Too Controversial, attracting ROCEJ violations
- Baby Be Mine - Too Controversial (as it's a True Crime trope, namely kidnapping and often murder), Gossip, related to the NRLEP tropes Law of Inverse Fertility and Stalker with a Test Tube
- The Baby Trap - Too Controversial, a Sex trope, has attracted oddly misogynistic edits in the past, Gossip
- Big Anime Eyes - Impossible in Real Life
- Bug War - Impossible because the trope is about fighting with supernatural insect-like aliens or monsters, not real bugs
- But I Can't Be Pregnant!! - Gossip, a Sex trope, attracting misuse, ROCEJ-violating medical advice, and weirdly pedophilic anecdotes
- But We Used a Condom!! - A Sex trope, Gossip, has a history of poor examples
- Hand on Womb - Too Common
- I Do Not Like Green Eggs and Ham - Narrative/Characterization, Too Common
- I Just Shot Marvin in the Face - Too Controversial, attracting NSFW and Gossipy examples, related to the NRLEP trope Accidental Murder, continuing to attract new poor examples even after being KRLE'd last year
- Longest Pregnancy Ever - In the way that it happens in fiction Impossible (it's impossible to be pregnant for months, years past your due date and still end up with a healthy baby at the end), attracting misused examples
- Maternal Impression - Impossible in Real Life (based on a now-discredited medical theory) -
- Matricide - Too Controversial, a True Crime trope, related to other NRLEP family murder tropes
- Morning Sickness - Too Common, Narrative/Characterization because IRL this is not an instant tell that a woman is pregnant
- Pater Familicide - Too Controversial, a True Crime trope, related to other NRLEP family murder tropes
- Patricide - Too Controversial, a True Crime trope, related to other NRLEP family murder tropes
- Perverted Sniffing - A Sex trope
- Ridiculously Average Guy - Impossible in Real Life, Characterization, Stereotyping
- Self-Made Orphan - Too Controversial, a True Crime trope, related to other NRLEP family murder tropes
- Shockingly Expensive Bill - Too Common, frequently a Narrative trope
- Sibling Yin-Yang - Characterization
- Take Over the World - Too Controversial, Morality (since it's related to Generic Doomsday Villain)
- Teen Pregnancy - A Sex trope, Gossip, Too Common, related to the sexuality of minors
- Town Girls - Characterization
- Your Heart's Desire - Impossible in Real Life (since it requires a supernatural wish-granter)
openDuplicate work page
It seems that someone has tried to disambiguate Film.Transformers from the Franchise.Transformers page by creating a new page for the film, Film.Transformers 2007. However, the former page still exists. It seems to me that Film.Transformers should be made a redirect to Film.Transformers 2007 and the former page should be cut, but when I tried to disambiguate works myself,note with Stalker (1979) and Stalker (2014) I was told that this isn't the correct procedure when I added the old pages to the cutlist. What exactly should be done in a case like this?
openUnintentional Sympathy in Star Trek Picard Live Action TV
The YMMV page for Star Trek: Picard features two examples of Unintentionally Sympathetic:
- The Zhat Vash was right all along! The Admonition is a message to synthetic life that there is other synthetic life willing to invade and destroy all organic life if called upon, in order to save their fellow synthetics. The Soong-type androids start to bring these horrors into the galaxy, and the only reason why nothing more happens is because it takes a while for them to come through the wormhole, allowing a small window to shut down the beacon. It's probable that anyone faced with the evidence would come to the conclusion that artificial life is too big a danger to allow to exist. Especially the Federation, who already ban genetic engineering of organic life because of the risk of starting another Eugenics War. What also helps is that "mad AI goes rogue" is one of the oldest plots in Star Trek history, appearing in no less than 7 episodes of The Original Series and only going up from there. If you lived in the Star Trek universe, there's wall-to-wall evidence that you should never trust a machine that can think for itself lest you want to be killed, enslaved, or both. Even Data wasn't safe from this as he'd become Brainwashed and Crazy and a threat to others a few times himself.
- One could also say the same for Control as in the later half of season 3 the Borg effectively highjacks Starfleet from within and plans to use said new “assimilated” fully organic drones as the seed base of a new even more advanced and dangerous Borg collective to threaten and ultimately rule the entire galaxy with until the end of time. Control would’ve had access to all the Enterprise NX-01’s logs including those of the incident involving the Borg and the knowledge that a “visit” from a very real bio-cybernetic threat easily capable of assimilating others, quickly adaptable defenses, and has access to technology far more advanced than anything Starfleet, the Federation, or even the surrounding powers currently had at their disposal isn’t so much if they show up 200 years from the logs being recorded but when! While that doesn’t excuse nor justifies Control’s actions, Control was originally programmed to help protect the Federation from any and all threats but when it tried to figure out a way the Federation could win against a confirmed future threat that, for all intents and purposes, had no vulnerabilities that could be exploited (at least for long anyway), combined with the limitations of Control’s own programming, preemptively wiping out all life in the universe was the “best” solution he could come up with to stop them and save everyone.
I could be wrong about this but I thought US is about characters that come off as sympathetic, even though the story doesn't want viewers to sympathize with them. Granted, the show kinda shoots itself in the foot by portraying the Higher Synthetics (insert Mass Effect reference here) as genocidal racists, but the entries for US don't do themselves any favors by portraying the Zhat Vash and Control as genocidal racists themselves.
What do you think about this? Is there a cleanup thread for this trope or something?
open Trope page uses picture from a work banned for pedo-bait.
Howdy.
I am a n00b and am trying to learn the culture of the site, so I am going to ask what may be a very obvious question.
The work Eiken has been removed from the site for being pedo-bait (or at least for sexualizing minors):
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13359551860A25597800
I discovered that this morning when editing a trope page which used an unlinked Eiken as an example. I tried to look up the work via search (I've never heard of it before this morning), and found that thread.
Because time is a flat circle, I ran across another page about half an hour later that uses an image from Eiken as the page image:
So! My question is: Is this a problem?
According to the discussion thread on Eiken, the girls in that picture are, like, 10 years old.
On the other hand, the picture itself is not itself a problem, and if I hadn't read that discussion thread, I'd have no idea they were 10 years old.
So I can see an argument for removing it, and I can also see an argument for not removing it. Just curious as to what the prevailing wisdom is here.
Edited by MacronNotesopen Could we consider reviving "Adaptational Weight Loss"?
A few months ago, I made a post
about creating an Inverted Trope to Adaptational Curves. Most of the comments were mixed - some thought the idea might be good, while others considered it pointless.
But then I remembered that someone already made a trope related to it - Adaptational Weight Loss
(which I brought up in my post) by KJ Mackley. Unfortunately, the project was abandoned the same day it was conceptualized, with the troper themself being inactive since 2021.
It's a shame since this trope had so much potential to fit with the other inverted "Adaptation(al) X" examples that Adaptational Curves lacked. So I thought to myself that "maybe I should adopt this trope and revise it a bit". After all, there have been some tropes stuck at the TLP that have been adopted by other users, so it would make sense to for me adopt this trope that has been discarded for almost 5 years at this point. Please note that I'm not disrespecting the original troper; I'm only doing this because how much potential this trope has.
open AdmiralDT8 vandalising a page. Literature
A user going by the name AdmiralDT8 has vandalised Loyalty Among Worlds and deleted the YMMV and the Trivia articles for that fanfiction. It is unknown if this is really AdmiralDT8 himself doing this or the work of a troll. If it turns out to be the former, then this is a funny case of Dear Negative Reader
Profile here:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/AdmiralDT8

So, myself and Umbrellas Were Awesome are disagreeing about including tropes that could spoil a part of a work by their very inclusion as examples (ie. by having the trope listed as such, it spoils part of the work).
However, Umbrellas wants to add the trope Boss Subtitles to the characters page for the three. By the nature of that trope, listing it as an example that they have — even if the text after is entirely spoiled out — it would inherently spoil that those characters are boss fights, which the Splatoon pages have otherwise spoilered out.
The reason they cite is that it's because they remember that "being at least slightly spoiled is kind of inherant to the process, and one shouldn't delete or comment out entries simply out of a desire to avoid spoiling literally everything", as listed in their edit reason. Which I agree with, but that the Splatoon 3 pages otherwise always treat the identity of the bosses as a spoiler makes this seem to me like it's just inconsistent.
What would be the correct way to treat that trope in this case? I did consult the spoiler policy, but it doesn't clarify for these kinds of situations where the inclusion of a trope causes a spoiler itself.