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openRL troping and non-trope additions
I don't feel like waving mod fiat wrt Edit War today. The Useful Notes and Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot and maybe Stout Strength and Lightning Bruiser entries on Steven Seagal should go.
Clarifying edit- was this 🤏 close to removing those entries myself, but the UsefulNotes.Judo and UsefulNotes.Karate deletions would be very technically an edit war, and the "maybe" tropes are worth discussing.
Edited by Tabsopen YMMV misuse(?)
Dalahan added/re-added these to YMMV.Dumbledores Army And The Year Of Darkness.
- Fan-Preferred Couple: The author is not as subtle as he thinks about his preferrence for the "Neville/Ginny" pairing. It is very jarring the way Ginny reffers to Harry's suffering in chapter one, completely forgetting that Harry charged head in to save her. Meanwhile praising Neville's none-existent achivements up to that point. Misuse as if the fan is authoring the work in question it's Author Preferred. FPC is also about overall fandom not individual fans.
- Fake Ultimate Hero
- Harry, the fic loves to portray Harry's struggles as lesser than Neville and co's. But since the fic IS cannon compliant then Harry is the one shouldering the war against Voldemort and in the end he is the one that finds the Horcruxes and destroy them alongside Ron and Hermione. It is his sacrifice and the protection that he casts over Hogwarts with it which is what allows Neville to kill Nagini and survive. And in the end it is HARRY who defeats Voldemort.
- [[DesignatedHero Neville]] and the DA themselves fit this trope more, though. While their struggles are portrayed as more dire than the ones of the main Trio. The truth is that they achieve very little or nothing at all. While remaining alive in the Death Eater run Hogwarts is commendable, it should be remembered that there are only THREE Death Eaters in Hogwarts. And the DA changes plays a very minor role in the Battle of Hogwart, the most they do is die horribly. I cut this from the main page as unintentional with the first entry arguing the opposite of this. They moved it to YMMV which is misuse. Designated Hero covers the later entry.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Some reviewers on Tumblr have noted that the Darker and Edgier Elsewhere Fic nature of Dumbledore's Army has unintentionally made Harry, Ron, and Hermione this. If you read The Deathly Hallows while believing that the events of DAYD are happening in the background, every happy moment the Golden Trio has makes them look like callous jerks because so many people are dying horribly in the background. Most notable is the Ron/Hermione kiss. When you watch or read it without DAYD, it's a sweet and heartwarming moment that had been coming for a long time. But when it's viewed by someone who assumes DAYD is happening at the same time, Ron and Hermione look like heartless jerks for deciding to spit it out while people are being subjected to unholy amounts of gore, violence, and Body Horror just behind them. Then again, it's questionable how unintentional it was; there are several paragraphs in DAYD in which Neville notes that Harry, Ron and Hermione are healthier, less traumatized, and generally happier than everyone in Dumbledore's Army ever was. This led to some accusations of character-bashing, since the Golden Trio's struggles were always portrayed as less severe than those of Neville and his friends. And that is without taking into account the fact that most of the victory is owned to the Golden Trio’s actions—the D.A. was helpful during the battle, but most of its members ended up dying horribly without changing much, and the Trio were the ones who actually destroyed the Horcruxes. I deleted this as half the entry argued against itself, so if these are legit complaints they're not UU. They added it back citing "It is important part. Since the fic needs to make sure Harry and co. Look "less" than his "actual" hero, who genuinely speaking did nothing for the larger picture." which seems the opposite of this being unintentional.
The first one seems an honest misunderstanding of how it works. The other two are suspect such I'm bringing it here. Thoughts? Should I PM them about this?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenBrian Michael Bendis' Superman = Audience-Alienating Era Print Comic
Okay, I gotta ask: is Superman (Brian Michael Bendis) truly an Audience-Alienating Era? The entry reads
:
"While not universally hated, Superman (Brian Michael Bendis) is widely disliked by many Superman fans for a variety of reasons, with many seeing it as the biggest example of DC's poor creative direction around the end of The New '10s. The run was already met with immense scepticism before it debuted, owing to forcibly ending the beloved Peter J. Tomasi run on the book, and Bendis' extremely controversial reception, and this only compounded as the run progressed and Bendis' run became infamous for making widely divisive decisions which alienated long-time fans, most infamous among them being his decision to give Jon Kent a Plot-Relevant Age-Up (the backlash to Bendis would infamously mock fans for in both the book itself and on twitter) and have Clark publicly reveal himself as Superman, both of which were derided as spitting in the face of fans. Bendis' run also became known for its weak villains, with a large amount of time spent on Generic Doomsday Villain Rogal Zaar and the overlong, directionless "Leviathan" storyline which eventually petered out into an Aborted Arc despite continual promotion, as well as his well-known quirks such as meandering dialogue and scattershot approach to continuity and established mythology. All in all, despite the substantial push, Bendis' run would end unceremoniously after a little over two years and leaving Phillip Kennedy Johnson to pick up the pieces."
First of, the entry kinda shoots itself in the foot several times by stating that the Bendis era isn't as hated as much as it is divisive.
Secondly, websites and reviewers like Superman Homepage, Comic-Watch, Fortress of Solitude and DC Comics News have positive reviews for the issues directly written by Bendis so there's support for Bendis' comics.
Third, the general consensus for the Bendis era is that "good concepts with bad execution, Superman as a character has a pretty good portrayal but the villains are mediocre", so I sincerely don't know whether the people who hate this run are either a vocal minority or a very sizeable crowd.
Fourth, last time I checked, Audience-Alienating Era applies when
1. the run is a critical and financial disappointment
2. any changes caused by this run are reverted by later stories
3. any time this story is referenced to, it's done in a negative and mocking manner.
So, what do you say?
By the way, I already asked this at Is this an example?
to get a proper consensus?
openTurnsRed misuse
self-reporting here since i realized it might unintentionally be an edit war and i want to double check that i have the right idea here... basically on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge there seems to be a persistent misunderstanding of what Turns Red is for
added by me
- Turns Red: When a boss reaches half health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
modified by Alex Tropes Fisher
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-em-ups.
- When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
- The same also applies to the playable characters when they get low on health.
inaccurate use of the trope, so i changed it back but kept the added first part and added a Shows Damage entry
- Shows Damage: Both the playable characters and the bosses begin flashing red when low on health. The flashing becomes more intense the lower their health gets.
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-'em-ups. When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
added by CASC Hero
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-'em-ups. When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens. The player characters will also start doing this as a warning they're low on health.
changed back by me, since it was a separate user i thought it wouldn't be an edit war but gave an edit reason to explain
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-'em-ups. When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
after that, modified by Superjustinbros
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-'em-ups. When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
added by Onodera Tearer
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-'em-ups. When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens. Players also start flashing red at low health.
changed back by me, this time removing some of the fluff to hopefully make it more clear what the example is. again, since it's a separate user, my thought was that it isn't an edit war
- Turns Red: The bosses switch up their attack patterns when they reach half their health. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
essentially, it seems that there's a shared misunderstanding between multiple people that Turns Red includes literally flashing red at low health, when the description of it specifically says that's not what it covers. the presence of Shows Damage didn't seem to help. also, i'm not sure if i'm edit warring and realized too late that it might look like that, so i'm sorry if i should have asked earlier. basically, do i have the right idea here?
Edited by NoUsernameopenI messed up an Image Pickin thread
I started an Image Pickin
thread but I accidently forgot to link the page at the top: It was for Pirates Of The Caribbean Actors. I don't know if this the place to point this out, but I would like to apologize for the trouble and ask that it be fixed or discarded. If I broke the rules, I would to report myself.
openPossible copy-paste from a book
Angry Guard Dog's Real Life section has an entry that might be copied and barely reworded from a book. Has anyone read it so they can confirm if this is the case?
- From the book The Truth About Self-Defense written by law enforcement training instructor Massad F. Ayoob:
- WATCHDOGS ...A mobile, four-footed burglar alarm. [They] bark insistently and steadily when an entry is attempted, and ... [go] to the entry point to pinpoint it for you.
The other entries don't have [...] and some have links to tropes so they might have been reworded more comprehensively.
Edited by Chabal2openCapsLock index
CAPS LOCK is listed at Self-Demonstrating Article and Just for Fun, along with SelfDemonstrating.Caps Lock, which is actually applicable. Should CAPS LOCK be removed from these?
Also do I understand correctly that since it's not at Definition-Only Pages it needs an example list as a Text Trope?
openYet another questionable work page...
The kind of stuff you can find while TRS-ing.
Webcomic.Realmwalker - formatting problems and ZCE on the main page aside, the intro proudly proclaims it's made by the creator him(?) self...
...and has a Fridge subpage
. Do we have a rule for making Fridge pages of your own work again?
Creator haven't been posting ever since Nov. 2021, not sure what do do about this
Edited by RobertTYLopenWhat exactly is a "Unilateral Move"
I’ve been having issues with other tropers recently while participating in cleanup threads. I feel that as long as am following the riles and formatting as payed out by the project that I shouldn’t have to ask for permission before I do something. I do follow indexing rules so that everything is logged for everyone to see, and I leave edit notes regarding what I’m doing and link to the specific threads.
I have been having issues with this for a while, including two suspensions. So I want to know what everyone thinks. And so that I do not bias anyone towards my line of thinking, see here
for discourse between myself and other people.
openSci-fi Tropers Have No Sense of Subpages :P
Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale is currently divided into subpages for Distance, Energy, Mass, etc. A while ago I started seeing the subpages used as trope example entries in their own right, and I've done it a couple of times myself, e.g. linking to SciFiWritersHave.No Sense Of Distance from Star Trek: Strange New Worlds S1E01 "Strange New Worlds". But I'm wondering now if that's kosher or if I should have been linking to the top page.
Edited by StarSwordopenPages for Tropers
I was thinking about making a laconic page about myself which would be a very short description of me. Is this allowed?
openPermission to Remove Sinkhole?
So, someone added
a Sinkhole to Characters.Heroes Of The Storm Overwatch Universe. While I sent them a notifier, they still didn't see it as a Sinkhole. So, can I remove it?
I would remove it myself. However, I don't want to risk a potential Edit War since I once removed
a Sinkhole at that area.
open Permission to remove
Yesterday a troper by the name of GRD added these
to the Meme Page
of Genshin Impact:
- Ganyu x Childe/Ganyu's Horns Explanation A mega-cursed meme spawned from a super cursed hentai of Childe essentially raping Ganyu so violently, he ''snapped'' one of her horns in the process. Given how innocent and beloved Ganyu is within the wider Genshin Impact fandom, expect this meme to prop up with much derision amongst Ganyu fans whenever someone unknowingly (or ''knowingly'') post any images or mentions of Ganyu with Childe or Ganyu's horns.
- Yoimiya and Hilichurls Explanation In the same vain as the aforementioned Ganyu x Childe meme, there is another super cursed meme relating to Yoimiya, this time with Hilichurls. The context is that there is an extremely violent guro hentai of Yoimiya being murdered, dismembered and eaten by a group of Hilichurls. The context was so shocking that it quickly circulated within the Genshin fandom. Like the equally cursed Ganyu meme, folks who unintentionally (or intentionally) put Yoimiya with a bunch of Hilichurls will create much derision and obvious scorn from Yoimiya mains.
I would remove them myself as they make me very uncomfortable, but I’d like a consensus before I do.
Edited by LeobraceropenAllForNothing discussion.
Can something count as all for nothing if it happened before the story? In the fanfic A Rabbit Among Wolves Blake and Sienna feel that their involvement in the White fang was pointless as they sacrificed their morals, and Blake abandoned her home to accomplish nothing. Here is the original example someone else removed.
- All for Nothing: As Jaune's success grows and people become more receptive to the White Fang, both Sienna and Blake express uncertainty about their previous actions in the radicalized version of the group, asking themselves what exactly they accomplished for the cause of faunus by making themselves into feared criminals. Both soberly come to the answer of "nothing", meanwhile Jaune has come around and in the space of a couple months, not only healed much of the damage they caused but done more to relieve the plight of faunus than anyone has in years. For Sienna the realization is bittersweet, but Blake pushes back against Jaune's popularity in large part because she doesn't want to believe that she and Adam made the wrong choices when there was a better way.
- Jaune himself disagrees with this notion. He believes that both the failed, peaceful White Fang and its violent successor were necessary for his own success.
Jaune: I was seen as the better version of the White Fang, but if there hadn't been a worse version for people to demonise, then I wouldn't have gained half the following I did.Ghira: Then was I wrong? To try the peaceful approach?Jaune: No. It was needed to fail to spark the violence, and it was needed so that people could look at the new, violent White Fang in anger and think fondly of the kind and benevolent group under the leadership of Ghira Belladonna.
- Jaune himself disagrees with this notion. He believes that both the failed, peaceful White Fang and its violent successor were necessary for his own success.
openEdit War on Characters / Genshin Impact The Fatui Harbingers
Courtesy link here
.
- On July 11, ashlay added
the Me's a Crowd entry to Dottore's profile.
- Me's a Crowd: As discussed in the "A Winter Night's Lazzo" trailer, Dottore has multiple bodies called "segments" apparently connected to certain ages in his life, with a younger one attending a funeral in Snezhnaya while the one in the prime of his life is plotting an experiment in "blasphemy" in Sumeru. The version in the prequel webcomic also has considerably shorter hair than these two, suggesting that Dottore was an even younger segment.
- 13 days later, I switched over the entry
to Self-Duplication with this edit reason: "Me's A Crowd misuse. The more appropriate trope here is Self Duplication, since Me's a Crowd is a plot trope about using clones to complete mundane chores."
- Just today, ashlay switched it back
to Me's a Crowd with this edit reason: "It's not established as a superpower persay as much as an extended process given they're linked to certain ages rather than just a bunch of them like Otto in Honkai, also the trailer specifically shows he has clones that allow him to do an experiment and attend a funeral at once."
openTroper created quotes page for themself
this isn't allowed, right?
e: their troper page doesn't even show up on the quotes page. Jethro Q Walrustitty
Edited by ChloeJessicaopenlink to video with some NSFW imagery
On Pitch (2009), I've linked to an upload of the film by the director/writer. The film has some NSFW imagery in it, but you won't see any just by following the link — the video doesn't autoplay, and the thumbnail is SFW.
Does the work page/link need a warning about NSFW content? The video page itself has a warning in the description, but it's under the video, where people might miss it.
openProbably very stupid question re: edit warring
This is probably the dumbest question on the planet, and I'm very sorry but I've been up for a very long time and my brain's single working brain cell is struggling to cope.
Can you edit war with yourself?
Like, say you put an example on a page. Then you think the example was wrong so you cut it. Then you realize that the example was actually right all along so you put it back.
That's not going to get you in trouble, is it?
openWhere does PlayerTic go? Videogame
This Player Tic example is in YMMV.Devil May Cry.
- Player Tic: Playing Dante in 4 and 5 and just amusing yourself by going into all of his styles one after the other quickly
to listen to Dante rapidly saying the beginnings of his declarations of the style's names is a meme.
Apart from probably needing some simple rewrite (it reads like a run-on sentence to me) or update, the example is indeed a valid Player Tic as it does happen in the fandom.
My only concern is that the lack of any banner on top of the Player Tic page makes it treated like an objective trope (meaning it shouldn't be placed on a YMMV page), so I'm not sure if the example has to remain on the YMMV page. Looking at the related pages, Player Tic is listed under Administrivia.Tropes Needing TRS, but even that Administrivia page sounds confused as to where Player Tic examples should go.

I want to see if there's any old drafts in the TLP that I can give some attention to, but ones from ten years ago are easier to access than ones from ten months ago due to the "last page" button. So I have to wonder: what's the procedure for necro-bumping an ancient draft for the purposes of taking it on yourself? Considering the original sponsors of drafts that old might not even be around anymore.
I don't have any specific ones in mind at the moment, I'm still looking.