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openWork has trope from a fanwork on the original work page Videogame
On the page for Baldi's Basics in Education and Learning, the very first trope, Abusive Parents, is from a fangame rather than the game itself. I understand if whoever added it can't think of enough tropes from the fangame to give it its own page, but this feels wrong. What should we do?
openShould I cut this
So a Troper named CountDorku on the Distinction Without a Difference page * "A common pattern among far-right Youtube channels is to make a big deal out of the tiny differences between the specific far-right subset said channel belongs to and other groups of far-right Youtube channels. The difference between a racist authoritarian calling himself a "race realist", a racist authoritarian calling himself a "classical liberal", and a racist authoritarian who openly identifies as a neo-Nazi can cause massive fights within the far-right community, even as the very similar political goals and talking points mean they all dissolve into a bigoted blur from the perspective of anyone further left than Joseph McCarthy." I am considering cutting and this because it doesn't seem like an example (seems more fitting for We ARE Struggling Together.) and Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement but I want a second opinion to avoid an edit war.
Edited by EmberfistopenUnfinished subpages Literature
Characters.Alex Rider was split into multiple subpages, but the creator of the subpages hardly bothered to move content that used to be in the main character page to their appropriate, respective subpages.
I'd fix it myself, but I'm uncertain which goes where as I haven't actively kept up with the series in a long while.
Subpages:
Edited by Tenma-YuukiopenMutually exclusive tropes Film
The MCU: Spider-Man page features both Adaptational Early Appearance and Adaptational Late Appearance. I think that having two tropes with diametrically opposite meanings might confuse readers but troper Anicomicgeek disagrees. Instead of starting an Edit War, I thought of bringing the discussion here and show you what's happening.
- Adaptational Early Appearance: His relationship with Tony Stark. In the comics, Peter was more-or-less self-taught and figured things out his own way, but eventually gained Tony Stark as a mentor when he took a job at his company, but here, Tony begins mentoring Peter when he's still new to things. Notably, Tony gave Peter the job in the comics as a cover because Peter had moved in with the Avengers alongside his wife, Mary Jane Watson, and they needed to excuse why the Parkers were living there. This Peter is still too young to get married and is still living with Aunt May. While Tony Stark was actually introduced in the comics after Peter Parker, Stark can be seen as a stand-in for Reed Richards, who Parker originally looked up to.
- Adaptational Late Appearance: Despite the Adaptational Early Appearance with his relationship with Tony, Peter himself is this, as this Peter lived in a world where the Avengers existed for years before he became Spider-Man and idolized Iron Man. His comic counterpart actually predates Tony becoming Iron Man and by extension the founding of the Avengers themselves.
As you can see, both tropes inform about different points about Spider-Man's history, but I don't think it's a good idea to feature them both at the same time. What do you think?
openRWBY in Stuffed into the Fridge, Stuffed into the Fridge as a whole Western Animation
There seems to be some debating whether Pyrrha's death in RWBY counts as being Stuffed into the Fridge. I personally don't think it does, but to avoid the edit war I'm going to bring it here. As a side note this might also bring up problems with the trope page itself, considering it has seemingly contradicting definitions of the trope in the first few sentences; being first defined as having a character be left for a dead body to find, then more broadly defined as any time a character sees their loved one die. The former is a clearly defined trope with a history, the latter is awfully general to the point where a character that dies of old age in front of a loved one could arguably considered being Stuffed into the Fridge.
open ??? Film
Okay... here's what I know! I viewed this movie (or possibly an episode of a show) during the 2000s (2004 to 2012). All that I recall is that there were two main characters being followed throughout the film. One being a boy/guy and the other being a human-sized robot (who would later reveal herself to be a girl/woman after removing the robot head/helmet). I believe they were both on some sort of quest, but that is all that comes to mind. And it was not a cartoon! Thanks!!! :)
Edited by Ritchey1398openWeird deletion for Kirby Star Allies Videogame
On the Kirby - Bosses and Villains page about Hyness, this was deleted
- Vile Villain, Saccharine Show: His abusiveness towards his own followers is bad enough, but wanting to see the entire universe destroyed by resurrecting a God of Evil? Yeah, the Kirby series being a generally happy, idealistic, and cute franchise full of Affably Evil characters, Tragic Villains with sympathetic backstories, and Generic Doomsday Villains makes him really stand out and hold the dubious honor of being the darkest most evil villain in the franchise itself, with none of the redeeming traits that flesh out most of the villains in the games.
Pretty sure the trope fits, but someone did a big revert edit that deleted most of the added tropes when there was no reason to. The name of the user is King Ghost.
May I add this back?
Edited by ReynTime250openQuestionable Spoilers, or How Much Detail Do These Examples Need?
Apologies in advance for the length of this post.
N8han11 and I need additional opinions to resolve a philosophical disagreement on example writing practices. I am trying to avoid spoilers, simplify for non-fans and write concisely in accordance with our example writing guidelines. N8han11 seems to think loading examples with tagged spoilers is the better practice, and even tried to put a spoiler tag in the work description.
N8han11 recently created the page, FanFic.Total Drama Avengeance Old Losers Vs New Losers. I do a good deal of cleanup work in the Total Drama Fan Works section because that space is an interest of mine, so I looked over the article and did some cleanup to remove excessive spoiler tagging. As part of this cleanup, I endeavored to write around the spoilers and improve conciseness by removing spoilered out details I thought weren’t needed to understand the examples. In the Edit Summary, I cited several elements of the Spoiler Policy to explain my revisions.
N8han11 promptly reverted most of my revisions, restoring their own texts (add-delete-add) with the unexplained claim that my revisions were somehow improper, and even restored a spoiler tagged pothole after I pointed out that such things are against policy. I didn’t want to be called on the carpet for edit warring if/when they were, so I invited them to discuss the matter via PM or on the article’s Discussion page. It took some prodding, but they eventually agreed to a PM discussion.
We eventually reached agreement on one of the problem tropes (Locked into Strangeness), but we have reached an impasse on others, most notably Split Personality.
After N8han’s reversion of my edits, the example reads:
- Split Personality: All five of Mike's canonical alternate personalities are here: Chester, Svetlana, Vito and Manitoba Smith all make apppearances [sic]. Mal also appears during the obstacle course race after Mike becomes incredibly angry out of fear that Zoey only likes him for his personalities and not for Mike himself.
Note the spoiler tagged pothole, which N8han11 still seems unwilling to do anything about.
My version, as subsequently revised during our discussion, is:
- Split Personality: As per canon, Mike has several alter egos covering a wide range of personality types. Each alter emerges in response to a different trigger, and the original "Mike" personality also returns in response to a trigger.
No spoiler tags required, which is what writing around spoilers is all about. I also suggested splitting the spoilery details and improperly tagged pothole off into a different trope example, to wit:
- Rage Breaking Point: When Mike comes to believe Zoey only likes him for his alter egos instead of for himself, he becomes so profoundly angry that an evil, previously unseen alter ego emerges.
N8han11 asserts that my text for Split Personality is too vague and that it’s bad practice to remove information for any reason. They didn’t respond to my Rage Breaking Point proposal at all before declaring an impasse.
Setting aside the questionable benefit of loading an example with details that are just going to be spoilered out, I contend the spoiler tag in Split Personality is a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler. Mike and his evil alter ego (named Mal) were the central focus of an entire canonical season; so if you know Total Drama and see a spoiler tag on a Split Personality example, you’re probably going to automatically assume it has something to do with Mal. If you don’t know Total Drama, you probably won’t care about the spoiler anyway.
Tropers, it’s in your hands now. We have agreed to resolve our dispute here.
Edited by GideoncrawleopenSelf Demonstrating... isn't?
First-Person Smartass is written in... first and second person? There shouldn't be an audience to address in first-person narration, right?
open what is this trope called, Mass corruption while exploring evil lair?
I found a plot in some anime and a game where the Hero and Hero's companion or allies Exploring the evil lair, but then for some reason something happen there, after that we found everyone except the Hero are possessed or corrupted and become the evil minion or the big bad them self. i want to ask what is this trope called?
openIs Calvin a chocolate baby?
Someone just added this to Characters.Calvin And Hobbes.
- Chocolate Baby: Though it's never commented on, he has blonde hair while both of his parents are brunette.
Shouldn't this trope only be used if there's some sort of implication (whether from the work itself or Word of God) that the mother cheated? Because this sounds like 100% speculation to me.
openOn handling former members of a creators team.
MLP Analysis has a former member who called himself ToonCriticY2K. You can look elsewhere for what happened (or not, if you want to keep down your lunch), but I'm wondering if he should have been taken off the page completely, or should instead be listed as a former member.
Edited by DragonQuestZopenEdit War in Boobs And Butt Pose
Tropers.Trev MUN recently made a large edit to Boobs-and-Butt Pose to remove most statements about the implausibility and/or ridiculousness of the pose. While that was fine in and of itself, as a negativity cleanup had been proposed on the Discussion page for a while but never executed. However, they also added a Tumblr/blog post of someone demonstrating said pose, who was herself criticizing the negative reputation the trope has. In other words, going in the exact opposite direction and complaining about complaining.
I removed the blog post from the description, and stated in the description that we should also remove a conflicting blog entry currently listed on the page from a contortionist who himself says that the pose is unrealistic. My reasoning is that this is starting to boil down to a case of he said/she said and could easily escalate into an arms race to find enough image blogs to support one opinion over the other.
Trev MUN rebutted today, and then went and readded his blog example without further discussion.
Please advise on how to proceed.
openWhy are the Disney live-action remakes more important than the sequels?
I noticed that there's a page for Disney live-action remakes and they have their own section on Recap.Disney Animated Canon. So, if that's the case, how come we aren't listing the sequels done by DisneyToon Studios? Are they not as important? Because the live-action remakes are considered by many the Disney sequels of modern times.
Are we allowed to add them? I'd do it myself, but I don't know the exact order of when they were released, and I'm not sure if I should include the Winnie the Pooh sequels or not.
openWanting to add a DethroningMoment about an AllThereInTheManual entry Videogame
I want to add to the Dethroning Moment Of Suck page an entry about Overwatch, but considering it's not in the game proper, where should it go?
- So, when Overwatch revealed its newest hero (28 feb 2018), her official bio was put on the site, except the age she's given doesn't make any sense (she's supposed to be 28, but according to a letter released, Mercy is supposed to have been there a few days after she was born, meaning that Mercy would have been 9 when that happened). Compounded by the lead writer's reaction on Twitter when releasing her, which was a simple "some things are wrong with her backstory". He didn't proofread himself, he didn't check if the information he gave to the team uploading the site was coherent with what he wrote, and he didn't apologize for it, his reaction could be summarized as "meh, i made a mistake, no big deal". It's at this point that I gave up any hope I had left for some form of coherence/continuity with this universe or for Michael Chu to have any credibility as a writer.
openTrope misuse?
From Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 8 E 4 Fake It Til You Make It:
- Chekhov's Skill: Inverted, as Fluttershy's masterful knitting ability from the comics appears to have suddenly deteriorated to the point where she can't even knit an elephant tea cozy properly.
This seems like a misuse unless it foreshadows a lack of skill in that area. Is that the case here? Would this be an example of a Continuity Snarl or Retcon (the show itself has made characters inept at what it previously showed them competent at, FYI)?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenQuestionable edit by a questionable troper
thekaizerreich
has come up on ATT a few times
, most recently for breaking several rules (edit-warring, Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment, and Unfortunate Implications requiring citations) in order to further a potential racist agenda. Plus various misogynistic edits in the past.
Since their ban was released, they've made a... highly questionable edit
that comes across as, at best supporting the myth of the Clean Wehrmacht
if not Nazi sympathizing, given the troper's chosen handle. It's particularly questionable since I can find absolutely zero indication that this is true or even an existing story. Various attempts at googling key words only bring up that page or completely irrelevant results.
The edit in of itself wouldn't be terribly worth noting, but given their suspension's release was predicated on being careful about ROCEJ, their handle, their history of potentially racist and definitely misogynistic edits, it just is, as a whole, very worrisome. I understand if it's not enough to take action yet, but I think an eye should be kept on them.
Edited by LarkmarnopenWondering Whether This Example is a Specific Tv Trope shoutout
"At one point, Bonny (Betty) de Famme refers to Athena specifically as a Know-Nothing Know-It-All. Given the sheer number of references, could the translator be One of Us?"
Not even the person who added it seems to be sure it is a Tv Trope shoutout, and I myself wonder if this really is a Tv Trope reference. Was this the first website to use the phrase "Know Nothing Know it All"? Or at least, popularized it?

The YMMV page
for The Walking Dead: Season Four lists Esoteric Happy Ending under this example:
Thing is, the final episode acknowledges these issues. Clementine herself point-blank says that if she ever has to run again, then her missing leg will be a problem.
Which leads me to ask, can Esoteric Happy Ending be listed even when the work itself acknowledges that said happy ending has its caveats?
Edited by iamconstantine