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openYMMV/StevenUniverse and N8han11
Yesterday, N8han 11 deleted this "To Be Fair" part of the "Steven's Dream" section of What An Idiot with no edit reason:
- To Be Fair: Garnet saw at least one possibility where Steven still went despite being told that Blue Diamond was there.
The YMMV page and it's history
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openBroader interpretation of Rescued from the Underworld?
So early on in Chrysalis Visits The Hague, Šarić organizes an expedition into the Everfree Forest to look for ponies who have gone missing in the recent-ish past, and they find a rather large (as in 350 trapped ponies) Changeling (do you capitalize it? I don't watch FiM) hive in a cave. I know that (strictly speaking) it's not a Rescued from the Underworld scenario (they don't literally go to the underworld), but it has a lot of elements thereof: there's a harrowing journey into a confined, dark place where several hundred ponies are trapped by a character who's a demon archetype, and there's a Cerberus equivalent (though they're both pretty messed up — strictly speaking, none of the ponies are dead until after they get rescued, and the Cerberus equivalent is a malnourished, brainwashed pegasus with a single booby trap).
Does this count as Playing with a Trope, maybe downplayed or subverted? Or am I playing Everyone Is Jesus in Purgatory games with myself?
Thanks.
Edited by XndrKopenExcessive Spoiler Tags in GE - Good Ending Anime
Earlier today, I Wiki Walked my way into GE - Good Ending and, to be blunt,the page was a mess. I've done what I can to deal with the worst of it (links to manga sites, multiple tropes listed together, example indentation, ZCE's... oh man the ZCE's...) but there's one issue I'm not sure how to handle: Spoiler tagging.
The spoiler tagging on the page and its subpages strikes me as very excessive. Several Wall of White entries for a start. A few spoilered trope names though I dealt with those. The thing is I don't know the series well enough to differentiate what is and is not a spoiler so I'm not sure what to uncover to keep things looking both good and correct.
I was wondering if anyone had some advice (or, if there's a forum thread for this kind of thing, point me in the right direction). I did look for a forum thread for GE itself, but had no luck.
Edited by sgamer82openImage changed without discussion.
CH4S changed the image on Geek Physiques despite there being a comment to not change the image without creating an IP thread first. Already made an IP thread to decide what to do about the image itself. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1512775677026209700&page=1#1
openRevert request Western Animation
Requesting a revert for Mao Mao: Heroes of Pure Heart. Powe Respect outright removed a few commented out examples with no reason, and I can't add them back myself at the moment.
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenA Prequel Manga Set in Same Universe
So I made the page for Jujutsu Kaisen and it has a prequel called Tokyo Metropolitan Magic Technical School and the manga itself (the Metropolitan one) consists of 4-5 chapters and given its a prequel of Jujutsu, it set as the same universe with that.
Now here's a question: Shall I merge both Tokyo Metropolitan School example altogether with Jujutsu Kaisen or create separate folder/border altogether in the same page?
openNeed advice on an index
Not Used to Freedom was launched recently, but it's not indexed. In the TLP thread
, the OP didn't address the matter, so I can't add it to the approved index(es) myself.
Thoughts? Or index suggestions?
openIn-Universe or Not?
Is Awesome McCoolname an in-universe trope or not? I find it too subjective even compared to Unfortunate Names. I found this clean-up thread
from 2014 that suggests it's in-universe, but the clean-up project went nowhere and the page itself doesn't mention it being in-universe.
openNamine character subpage
So, Namine has her own characters subpage despite having only 55 tropes (for a character page, that's not very many). No other Kingdom Hearts character has their own page other than Sora himself (who has 230+ tropes), not even Xehanort and Xigbar. Xigbar (another franchise-important character) has like 90 tropes under his character profile and 34 more tropes under a character in Kingdom Hearts χ that is revealed in Kingdom Hearts III to also be Xigbar, leading to a total of 120+ tropes for Xigbar.
So that led me to ask some questions before trying to do anything about it.
Should Namine's character page be merged into a different subpage? Or can Xigbar have his own subpage? Is trope count alone a sufficient criterion?
(Sorry for asking this in ATT, I posted here because previously I got reported to ATT for a badly-received subpage reorganization of mine regarding Transformers, and today I got reported to the anti-complaining thread after some people did not like another of my earlier subpage reorganizations, namely regarding Dan Browned, Cowboy BeBop at His Computer, and Critical Research Failure.)
Edited by Albert3105openCharacter Page for VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Videogame
The character page for Fire Emblem Heroes has mostly characters from the game itself but a few characters from the games before it. My question is, and I asked this in the Discussion tab a few months ago but nobody responded, would it be smarter to just make character pages for the different playable characters based on their home game? We do that to an extent for games like Heroes of the Storm and Fate/Grand Order where they have characters from existing works given a character page, but not Fire Emblem Heroes.
openCreator / Work Page Confusion Web Original
The page WebVideo.Loading Ready Live currently acts as a collective works page for the shows that LoadingReadyRun streams on their Twitch channel. The problem is that "LoadingReadyLive" is no longer the name of their Twitch channel, and it hasn't been for quite some time, it's now the name of a specific show.
So what should be done with this page? I see two possible options:
- Rename the page "LoadingReadyRun Streams" and leave everything else the same.
- Overhaul the page to focus exclusively on the "LoadingReadyLIVE" show and move everything else over to WebVideo.Loading Ready Run.
There's also the issue that "LoadingReadyRun" is both the name of the group itself and also the name of their (pre-recorded) comedy sketches. Should we have WebVideo.Loading Ready Run focus just on the sketches and move everything else over to Creator.Loading Ready Run? Or should we make WebVideo.Loading Ready Run Sketches? Or is this one not that big of a deal?
openCreator / Howard Stern
Howard Stern - courtesy link.
I'm a bit confused by this. I found it because I'm doing a routine cleanup of pages I'm finding via "Random work", and it's a creator page- but a lot of the examples seem to be about the show itself, and while it does say "Stern and his creations" before the examples the examples seem to be specifically about the one show... or they're troping RL people.
openDeleting the Pantheonic Voice Actor Database English Voice Actors
I thought it will be better to ask this since I don't think I'll get any responses to it's discussion page or in the cut list request I made. I decided to split it into two pages with the usual lettering. I did made the request in the cut list, but I don't know if I'll get any responses, which is why I also asked here. I decided to do this because the page is too long and although there are some actors that are too low-profile with only one role given in the databse and might not be expecting any additions anytime soon (which means I could delete those with one roles), there is a chance for them to get new added ones in the database if there is a new addition in the Pantheon, which is why I think it's best to split it to two pages. Also, I already made the two pages without thinking of making a sandbox for it because I wasn't informed that you need to ask the Cut List for it and I made the split pages before being informed by the current page itself that you need to inform the Cut List to actually delete it.
Edited by louisent31openHow to handle foreign-only spoilers?
Hayate the Combat Butler is completed in Japan, but in English it's only up to volume 33. Because of this, there's a large amount of content that is currently unavailable to an English reader.
My questions are:
- If I see an example referencing a later volume, should I remove it?
- If I organized a cleanup effort for the above, how would I avoid spoiling it for myself?
openUnintentionally Unsympathetic Live Action TV
Would Unintentionally Unsympathetic apply to an entire populace? The trope is being used to defend a character's choice to mass slaughter its civilian population, owing to the crappy acts some of its citizens have pulled. The example itself is on the YMMV page
as the last bullet point under Unintentionally Unsympathetic. There is currently a discussion going on here
and it seems to be at a stand-still.
openCreating an article for your own creation
Hello. I was just wondering on the policy of creating a page for a media article you created? Fanfiction, to be exact. I realize it could be self-promoting, so I was just wondering. Thank you.
openMoral Event Horizon/Darth Vader
ryanasaurus0077 included the following example in Live-Action Films: Darth Vader subverts this twice in the course of the saga. The first subversion happens in Revenge of the Sith when he slaughters the Younglings at the Jedi temple and later impulsively chokes Padme half to death (a broken heart ultimately finishes her off) when he thinks she led Obi-Wan to him, and the second happens in The Empire Strikes Back with his callous treatment of Lando on Cloud City. While both are horrible by themselves, they're both subversions as he ultimately redeems himself in Return of the Jedi with his Papa Wolf moment.
openHelp with a TLP Draft
I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place for this, but my other ideas, the "Is This An Example?" and "Improving work and creator page descriptions" threads, didn't seem appropriate either since this is for help with a trope that does not actually exist yet.
Anywho, I'm working on a TLP draft and I think an extra/outside opinion might be needed to settle a detail for it. The TLP is tentatively titled "Incapable of Disobeying
", and the premise is living creatures under a rule or set of rules that they are, as the name suggests, incapable of disobeying even if they wanted to. With this in mind, for the laconic I wrote "When living creatures are Three Laws-Compliant", as the way robots are influenced by the Three-Laws of Robotics struck me as the clearest and quickest comparison to what was going on.
There's since been some back and forth between myself and another troper, Unsung, about whether Morality Chip would be a better comparison trope than Three Laws-Compliant. I don't personally agree, and honestly feel this back-and-forth is derailing the example collection. At the same time, I'm not so wedded to the idea that I'm against changing it if there's a consensus, which right now there isn't.
So I'd like to request an outside/neutral opinion on whether Morality Chip or Three Laws-Compliant is a better comparison trope to get the idea of Incapable of Disobeying across.
Thank you in advance.
openFranchise cut?
The Franchise page for the Tsukipro franchise was cut, and the reason given is that the franchise has to be in three or more media for it to count, but it is in three or more media. There are drama CDs and music (the original), anime, stage plays, video games, and a live action movie. They aren't adaptations, but rather, all different parts of the same story. Is that why?
Edit: So there's now Tsukiuta, Tsukipro, Tsukiuta, and Tsukino Paradise. I should create pages for Vazzrock and Tsukipro (for SQS, Ivesta, and everything else that isn't Tsukiuta). I think it's probably best to make Tsukipro and have Tsukiuta redirect to that. And Tsukipro should also redirect to Tsukipro. Tsukiuta etc. should also redirect to the Music pages, if we're going with "Music" as the original medium. (Is it right to have story tropes on a music page? Should there be a separate page for tropes about the music itself?) How do these redirects get done?
Edited by lavendermintrose

I recently made a page for Hey Arnold! The Movie and I'm trying to figure out how to make a Character page for it that redirects to the main characters page. I read the instruction on creating redirects, but they are a bit confusing to me and I want to confirm the process before I end up messing something up as I've never done this before. When I edit "Characters.Hey Arnold The Movie" do I just type in "[[redirect:Characters.Hey Arnold]]" and boom.?
Figured someone else might do it, but I have no idea when that might be, so I figured I'd try and do it myself.
Edited by thecarolinabull01