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openDoes this count as Creator Backlash?
Remember "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer", by Patsy and Elmo? Well, today, I found this song by Elmo (as a solo act named Dr. Elmo), called ["Don't Make Me Play that Grandma Song Again"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTfXQwdkJks)
, which is about a DJ who is sick of playing the song. At first, I thought it could be self-deprecation, especially since he calls Elmo someone who cannot sing, but then, hearing the lyrics again, I thought it could simply be an observance on how overplayed the song is (as Christmas songs usually are). So does this fit?
openThinking of removing the spoiler part from an entry on "Atrocious Alias"
In an issue of X-Factor the heroes are confronted by a villain calling himself Number One Fan (with spinning blades as his main weapons) leading one member of X-Factor to comment that "We must be just about tapped out of silly names to call ourselves". When Kitty Pryde heard of the name "Negasonic Teenage Warhead," her reaction was similar: "Wow, we really have run out of names." (Spoiler: Negasonic Teenage Warhead had been dead since the Genoshan massacre. Before her death, she planned to name herself after the song. (Furthermore, her death caused Emma Frost a mental breakdown. Suddenly, not so funny...)
I am considering removing the spoiler, because it feels rather forced. Do you think I should proceed?
openWeird Entry in Replacement Goldfish of Anime - Do not Know what to do with it
So I was looking in Replacement Goldfish Anime page, and look at what I found:
There are two Replacement Goldfish relationships that complement and parallel each other. The orphaned Elric brothers take on their alchemy teacher Izumi as a mother figure, while Izumi herself had a stillborn child and now accepts the Elrics as surrogate children. Considering the result is pretty consistently a pus-oozing, organ pile, sin against God, you'd think people would learn eventually.
I can't tell if this is something understandable in context or just vandalism. Could someone please clarify this to me, so that I can proceed on?
openHandling Spoilers re: Character Page Folder Titles
Administrivia.Handling Spoilers states:
First of all, I see this rule violated fairly often with "spoiler character" folders all over the place, but this isn't the place to discuss that. The question lies in what to do with those folders once we find them.
In a recent edit to Characters.All New Wolverine, I simply replaced the "spoiler character" folder name with a vague description and added a "(SPOILERS)" warning. It's not the best way to handle this and I hate putting in spoiler warnings where people should already expect to be spoiled, but it avoids being a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler, it lets readers who haven't reached that point avoid the spoiler, and it doesn't make it hard for people who are spoiled to guess where that character's entry is.
Is my approach right?
open A cut request I didn't make
So I was browsing through Steven Universe's subpages and found that TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.Steven Universe had been cut... By myself. I don't remember making this request, and considering how many entries the trope had, I wouldn't consider it unneeded. How did this happen?
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenTroper with Zero Context Example violations
I sent a ZCE Notifier to naal2
, who uncommented an Abhorrent Admirer Zero Context Example on Characters.Hercules. In response, they sent a pretty hostile PM back, saying that it wasn't a ZCE and that I should fix it myself. I answered that the entry should describe the character's behaviour that makes them the trope. They again sent a condescending PM in response to that.
Seeing they are reacting uncooperatively to Notifiers, maybe a mod could look into this.
They have a habit of this, as they also recently uncommented a ZCE on Characters.Sailor Moon Shadow Galactica, and made a ZCE entry on Dragon Ball Z Characters
.
openTroper/Yu-Gi-Oh-related question Anime
I've seen a yuugame2 around recently. There used to be a yuugame account that made the same sorts of edits they do—long-winded manga-based Yu-Gi-Oh entries with occasional downplaying or putting down the anime, IE
"Enemy Mine: In the manga, after his initial Monster World RPG with them, he occasionally and openly helps the main group, particularly during Duelist Kingdom and Dungeon Dice Monsters, and a couple of times he shows up then willingly gives Ryo back control of his body. After the Monster World arc, he decided that keeping Yugi alive until the Shadow RPG is more beneficial to his plans agenda than outright opposing him as he did in the original RPG. The only reason he openly helps the group is because their adversaries are getting in the way of his own plans, such as trying to kill Yugi and take the Millennium puzzle, and it's also a way to gain Yugi's trust and then easily stab him in the back afterward. He rarely has shades of this in the anime, where he's permanently in-control and impersonating Ryo, and the gang have no idea that the spirit of the Millennium Ring is controlling him."
Some of this entry also isn't true, as Ryo was in control of himself at times in the anime, albeit to a lesser extent, and he was being manipulated in the manga often as well. From the '2' in the account name I was wondering if anything had happened to the original yuugame account, too. The first yuugame went up to January 2.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=yuugame
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=yuugame2
openError in Trope Entry - Passengers (2016) - Unsure how to proceed.
Hi, all. I was browsing through the entry for the film Passengers (2016) and saw a factual mistake:
As written: Jim stands in a tube through which the contents of a malfunctioning fusion reactor are being vented, almost frying his spacesuit, but he doesn't appear to suffer from radiation poisoning, just as Aurora stands in the control room of said reactor (the shielded window of which is cracking) and she doesn't get radiation poisoning either.
The problem is that a fusion reactor doesn't produce ionizing radiation, at least not in any appreciable form. It does produce neutron radiation, but "radiation poisoning" - itself an incorrect term - refers to damage caused by alpha, beta, and gamma radiation. So the entry is factually incorrect as it currently stands. It would be correct, however, to point out that sitting in what amounts to a neutron shotgun doesn't seem to wreck Jim's day, either, and that little locker door is unlikely to have prevented his demise. (In the interests of full disclosure, I could go into all the science involved, but in the interests of brevity, I'll just say for now that the only ionizing radiation involved is induced radioactivity through neutron bombardment, but that has nothing to do with the plasma, only the reactor vessel and only over time.) And it's also fair to point out the thermal effect of standing in a jet of plasma, which "frying in his spacesuit" is a pretty apt description. Thus, the issue is only with the "radiation poisoning" part.
So, I don't want to just delete the entry because it's (as far as I know) not permitted to do so, and it's also not exactly polite, but correcting it essentially means erasing it anyway and replacing it with the correct information. So I thought it best to check with the folks who have been here longer and better know the operation of the wiki. Guidance is deeply appreciated.
Edited by ScifiwriterguyopenAgenda-based non-editor.
AndyYagami
is a... weird case. 7 edits to his name in 3 years of troping, so I'll go through each of them:
- Deleting an example of WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical because he thinks mentioning white supremacy is on the rise is "asking for a fight".
- Benign correction on gun terminology
.
- Changing the wording to remove hints of toxic masculinity
, though I do think it was poorly worded in the first place. In a vacuum I'd think this is fine.
- Deleting a comment on "enforced heterosexuality
. To be frank, I have no idea what the deleted passage was about.
- Natter, but not the issue
.
- Natter, but not really relevant
.
- Odd clarification
.
So yeah. What few edits he's made (the most recent was in 2017) seem to primarily be on politically-charged subject.
The real issue is more his Discussion posts
. Because they're... something. He's a prolific discusser, apparently. And he tends to get into fights. Like, a lot.
- Fight here
with a guy who fundamentally agrees with him.
- Supporting a "black people are the real racists
narrative.
- Defending himself with a really weak argument (again, pushing a "black people are the real racists" narrative
, and hey, in the process absolutely picking a fight.
- Effectively denying racism is a thing
.
- Not a fight because no one responded
, but a "isn't it weird that people only complain about the whitewashing Race Lift and not the rest?" post.
Like, it might not be an issue because he mostly keeps it confined to discussion pages, but his views are clearly pretty toxic and he seems to enjoy stirring up the pot.
Edited by LarkmarnopenQuestion regarding HeWhoMustNotBeSeen Western Animation
Just wondering,does the trope apply if the character is not explicitly named by any of the characters.but their image and the presence is there?
The example I was thinking of adding was White Diamond from Steven Universe since they've never been named in the show itself but their image has shown up in the show.
Edited by UltimatumopenFunnyAneurysmMoment parameters
Do I understand correctly that a "Funny Aneurysm" Moment is a funny moment in a work made "cringeworthy" or otherwise un-funny by events or additional works occurring after the release (or at least after production) of the work in question?
There are currently a number of examples on Avengers: Infinity War that reference funny moments early in the film made sadder by later events in the film itself. Others are about pre-release speculation or comparisons to other work becoming sadder in light of the actual work content. My understanding is that these would be misuse of the trope, but I would like confirmation of that before I remove them.
openAny mention that TropeOverdosed Franchises's wick counts are aggregate of its works' wick counts?
For Trope Overdosed Franchises, are the wick counts used, the aggregate of all its works? Or just the related page?
Edit: Apparently so, but I can't find any mention of such in the source
, not even in the commented-out sections. So, I'll add it in, unless it actually is made redundant, somewhere?
Literature.Tortall Universe was on Trope Kilowicked, but then I pulled it off, as it had only 478
wicks to the page itself.
But should I have been totaling that, and its components, which may pass the 1500 minimum for being Trope Overdosed?
Its Components
openBlatant self-plug alert
enyeknot
seems to have joined here just to plaster links to their site for game guides everywhere.
openLiterature/Molesworth Literature
molesworth... The entire page reads like a Self-Demonstrating article. Said self demonstrating includes a ton a grammar and spelling errors. The Fanfic Recs and Trivia pages have the same problem.
openAwesome/KanyeWest Music
I had to clean up the examples involving Kanye’s political views, but other tropers keep adding it back. I’ll admit I added some myself, but since it’s causing edit warring, I deleted the examples altogether. Should there be a mod warning to prevent any more politics-related examples from betting added back.
Edited by MsCC93openNot kosher entry. Film
Found this on the Solo YMMV page by Troper Pren
:
- Fandom Berserk Button: Even with the film being an undeniable Box-Office Bomb, unlike when The Last Jedi was hit with the claim against all sanity, it's still a sore point when the alt-right conspirators trying to destroy the franchise claim this as their doing. In particular, it's often rebutted with how the only film in the revived franchise to date to lose money is also the only one with a white male lead.
This is....yeah no, this needs to go. No valid claims about "alt-right conspirators", and the troper seems to be shoehorning a political Take That! against people who seem to disagree about the film not making a lot of money. Also, white male lead isn't the issue, if anything its that the movie exists at all that some dislike.
Edit: This troper has been going around and making some very political laced claims across several other pages it seems. For example they added this on One Day at a Time (2017).
- Counterpart Comparison: One brought up by Netflix itself, as after the Roseanne revival was cancelled due to Roseanne Barr's racist Tweets, Netflix made their own Tweet about how they also currently have a reboot of a classic sitcom about a working class family that deals with a bunch of political issues, twisting the knife by pointing out how theirs is still going.
Might need to talk to them about them pushing political based opinions in areas that don't seem to be there. Trying to find a good way to word it so apologies.
Edited by keyblade333openNew Acceptable Target confusion (Where should this planned example go?)
I've been reading through the Acceptable Targets pages, which includes just about everyone under the sun aside from those who are obviously Unacceptable Targets. But, unless I overlooked it, I feel that at least one example is missing: people who have had cosmetic surgeries. Even though cosmetic surgery is more common nowadays than it used to be, people who choose to undergo them are often considered self-absorbed narcissists who are plastic and inferior to naturally beautiful—or even non-beautiful people, regardless of quantity or quality. So I was going to add it but I'm not sure which page I should write it on "Ethnic Targets" (since it is about physical appearances and other inborn qualites) or "Lifestyle Targets" (which is about lifestyle choices and burdens). Any suggestions?
openShould Public-Domain Character moved to Useful Note?
There're two reasons I think it will be better as a useful note.
- I don't think it's trope. While they can appear in many works, being in public domain in't story telling tool by itself.
- More important, the page is quite a mess right now. We have both "The characters in this work are in public domain" and "This work use public domain characters" throw together in examples list.
I think that move it to Useful Note article and stick to listing public domain characters will be more useful for us.
Edited by KuruniopenDescription deletion
chizo just deleted a large chunk from the description of Paris Is Burning without a reason, and I can’t work out any good reason to just delete it:
It’s also the only edit they’ve made to the page, most of their edits being to anime or useful notes about China.
Edited by lakingsif

Is there a word/TV Tropes term for when you make an edit, then you realize you made a mistake in that edit and re-edit that same entry to fix your mistake? I thought that was called a "null edit", but then I looked up Administrivia.Edit Reasons And Why You Should Use Them and found that that's not what that means.
The reason I ask this is because I've done this before: I've made mistakes in my edits, and I would always catch them and re-edit them to correct my own mistakes, and I would always point out in the Edit Reason Box that "I caught my own mistake and corrected them myself." However, I just realized that I've never known if there's an actual term for this kind of edit.
Maybe this is a weird question, but it's something that's been on my mind for months, and I only just remembered to ask now.
Edited by mouschilight