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openHateSink
tropers tend to add Hate Sink to Mr. Krabs of SpongeBob SquarePants, even if it contradicts the other tropes associated with him like Designated Hero and The Scrappy. Now the example is "Hate Sink: According to writers and the creator himself, Krabs is supposed to look as bad (if not worse) than Plankton himself. It's just the matter of letting him get away with it that they and the audience seem split over." IMO the trope overall is being misused for many characters. Is Mr. Krabs a Hate Sink?
openPoe Dameron -- the troper
The troper Poe Dameron (edit histroy
) has serious issues with making links. They never, really never, use a namespace for works; often have trouble with braces or square brackets, sometimes using both (e.g. {[Wiki Word Wiki word}]); and also types trope names out as [[TropeName Trope Name]] for some reason; there's examples of not using wiki words (e.g. typing {{lostprophets}}. Also made the page Romantic Pseudo Fantasy, which is the genre of Paranormal Romance, but complaining about it. They add Word Cruft to descriptions, and some of their edits also show taking perfectly valid examples and then adding natter to them, often defying the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement including controversy and bias (e.g. changing "known for his extremely violent subject matter" to "extremely violent subject matter, constant [[ClusterFBomb Cluster F Bombs]] and NWordPriveleges, rampant sexism and homophobia ". There's a few cases of spoilering out entire examples and improper example indentation (only a few, but it is every instance in which they try to add a sub-bullet). They appear to have done major unapproved overhaul on the Emo Music page — like major overhaul of description and the list of bands without so much as an edit comment, including sometimes making things less informative (i.e. changing "in a diverse range of genres, from electronica to folk." to "in, well, everything") and some very not-neutral even rude/critical parts like "When people who don't like emo despite minimal exposure to the genre say that it's all about teenage self-absorption, whining about one's parents/girlfriend/life, they're actually referring to emo-pop", and also made edits to Screamo Music and Emo that have a pro-Emo bias (the remarkable thing is that there are some examples on this page of fixing wiki words and namespaces, and some examples of the opposite, and sometimes both in the same edit). They added "* Aiden's entire discography is this to AFI's, but "I Set My Friends on Fire" and "The Despair Factor" deserves a special mention." to Music.Suspiciously Similar Song, which is very close to bashing the guy. The edits to the Ian McShane page removed a ton of info from the discussion, leaving it as little more than I remember this guy from these things, nobody needs to know any more than that, and added this flame-y not-example (that seems to be bashing fans) "* ClassicallyTrainedExtra: Hates ''GameOfThrones'' and its fans. For some inexplicable reason, most of the fandom doesn't mind at all." (since corrected). Changed some examples
on YMMV.Batman V Superman Dawn Of Justice to criticize(?) Ben Affleck. Changed the Absolute Cleavage example on Jennifer Lawrence from "Her outfits at public events tend to lean toward this" to "Jen is famous for her big breasts", and made a point of talking about how "huge" they are on Suppressed Mammaries, on a related note they made improper edits to Serena that appeared dubious and were literally just to add the phrase "Troubled Production" three times, and then added a write-up of the film on TroubledProduction.Film M To Z that bashes it hard (I've removed all of this). They added Emo Pop to the description of Simple Plan (pretty sure they're a bit punk rock, mostly rock), and supported this with a rude "Many people who do not listen to much Emo Music often judge the entire genre because of Simple Plan" added to the band YMMV page, toeing the line between YMMV and flat out rudeness towards the band, but outright offensive to the "people who don't listen to much emo music" that they're writing about. Made a point of Saoirse Ronan "constantly trying to make a name for herself outside of Ireland, but is unsuccessful", which is bashing and factually false (has been edited). They inexplicably deleted a bunch of Bill Nighy's filmography, and also changed the "best known for" part of the description to be less informative on what he's best known for. Their edits to Toplessness from the Back, first is adding to a Jennifer Lawrence ZCE, but adding lecherous stuff without any context, and then this "* Scottish film ''Film/NotAnotherHappyEnding'' takes this a step further. We get a tracking shot of KarenGillan's lovely, bare booty as she runs down a hallway nude. ** The same sort of thing also occurs in the DirectToVideo film ''Some Kind of Beautiful'', where the camera follows SalmaHayek's bare booty as she runs outside and jumps into a pool." which is the worst kind of incorrect example indentation and sounds so wrong. They've made some minor and what looks like agenda-based pro-Hunger Games edits on John Carter. One edit that just from the text that was already there is most definitely opinion-based and an unnecessary addition is taking this "Finally, it should be noted that, as it clearly touches upon HIGHLY sensitive issues, this film has an ''intense'' LoveItOrHateIt vibe about it." and adding "depending on your theological views and tolerance for propaganda", which is possibly a well I hate it and you should too bias (the term "tolerance" and accusing it of being propaganda) and definitely really not needed (so much better without it, so I removed it). Made natter-y and bias edits to Crunk, which were removed shortly afterwards with the note that they were natter and not neutral
. Deleted a bunch of genres from Twenty One Pilots (famously have done a bit of everything) so that it reads as if they're solidly just slightly different styles of punk rock and definitely emo. Rewrote Jared Leto to be more about (and more pro-) Thirty Seconds to Mars than his acting. Changed Ryan Reynolds' most famous role from Van Wilder to Deadpool, which might be OK, if they'd done the rest of the work and changed the rest of the paragraph to not go into describing VW (accidentally attributing it all to Deadpool) and mentioning Deadpool later, it was a simple word replacement (since changed back, has been rephrased several times to be more accurate). Made edits to Michelle Gomez that made it seem like she hadn't done anything but Doctor Who (since tidied). There's also abundant Zero Context Example adding.
I'd send message notifiers, but only a few of their edits don't send up red flags looking through them, so it seems like too much of a habit. Some of their edits are innocuous, but most are clearly breaking many rules of the wiki — doesn't seem like a vandal, just someone who doesn't know how to use the wiki, what the keeping it cool and clean rules are, or what's actually useful/good (see their rewriting, adding, and removing that actively makes examples and descriptions worse).
Unrelated to it, their edit history also showed up that there's a YMMV.The Seven Realms Series page with only one example on it — a Complete Monster instance that doesn't appear was approved through the thread.
in short: Poe Dameron is not keeping it cool or clean, can't format, and frequently changes things to the point of making their pages worse, and overhauled Emo Music without notice or even edit notes. There's also a Complete Monster example at YMMV.The Seven Realms Series that doesn't appear to be approved.
Edited by lakingsifopenLife is Strange fridge page Videogame
There are several entries in Fridge.Life Is Strange that are either too obvious to be considered Fridge, built on no basis whatsoever, or just flat out wrong. For example:
Too obvious:
- With the reveal that Jefferson is the one was kidnapping and drugging girls after taking pictures of them in Episode 4, a quote from his speech at the start of episode 1 shows that he was behind it all along, as he says "I could frame any one of you in a dark corner, and capture you in a moment of desperation", clearly alluding to the Dark Room. After that, he even seems to tease the player in retrospect. "Is that too obvious?"
Pointing out an obvious clue of foreshadowing. The game itself event points it out.
No basis:
- If you had Max euthanize Alt!Chloe in Episode 4, she immediately uses the photo to go back in time. However, that means that Alt!Max wakes up in her own body, next to her dead best friend she hasn't seen in years, having unknowingly killed her and with an entire day's worth of memories missing.
This assumes the game operates under multverse theory, which it doesn't. The entire message is that Max's constant time travelling is harming the timeline, which is desperately trying to correct itself.
Flat out wrong:
- Think sacrificing Chloe is the correct choice? "Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?" Well sure! Go ahead and rewind time to stop yourself from saving Chlo- Wait? Wasn't your constant rewinding of time the cause of the Time Storm in the first place? ...And you just rewound time AGAIN. Congratulations! You just made the storm in all likelihood BIGGER. The town will still be destroyed, Max will not have her powers to mitigate any fatalities like last time, and she just sacrificed her best friend for nothing. Have fun!
We specifically see that the storm didn't happen once Max gets back, due to the timeline finally being corrected.
The point here is that there are several entries like these on the page, and trying to list the reason for deleting each one will be a giant hassle. Is it okay if I just mass delete the wrong entries with a blanket explanation of "Factually wrong", or do I need to give each deletion its own explanation?
openCleanup efforts for trivia subpages in creator pages.
Hello. I've been trying to help clean up Creator pages by having its trivia pages cut-listed and the trivia moved back into the Creator itself per the previous ATT discussion
such as 4Kids Entertainment, but what would be the best place to start a project on this matter? Thanks.
openConfused by 'glurge addict'
First of all, I apologize if this is the wrong place for stuff like this. I'm just confused by the Glurge Addict trope, mainly some of the examples. Glurge itself is a trope I've had a hard time understanding exactly(common for me) but it seems to involve works meant to be inspirational, or heartwarming having dark Unfortunate Implications and the like. Glurge Addict however, seems to me to have very little to do with Glurge. Is this just examples of Square Peg Round Trope? Or is this really meant to just be fans of super cute things? Some of the examples I'm talking about are like "Little Shop of Horrors has Audrey. She has a stuffed puppy on her bed, and other cute decorations around her room. " and other things that are just about super cute things, and not actual Glurge. Was this the intention? I'm just really confused. Sorry that this ended up being such a mess. I'm not an expert on editing here at all.
openBadass Decay on YMMV/Sonic Forces Videogame
This trope was originally removed from YMMV.SonicForces as it "now argues with itself", but people keep adding it back in:
- Badass Decay: Silver's been hit hard with this. The guy who can handle Iblis, more than capable of killing Sonic and his powers are strong enough to the point where he can compress tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of pounds of cars and debris into a massive ball...can't handle a few Death Egg Robots.
Silver: "Hurry, Sonic! We can keep them in check, but not for long."
Should I remove it again?
Edited by BSonirachiopenAn Artical Possibly in a Wrong Namespace Webcomic
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Victory Fire
I recently had come across this comic on the internet, but since I'm a new reader, I have no idea if this webcomic has any history pre-2012 (like if it started as a Fan Fic and then became a webcomic). So my question is this: Is this article possibly in the wrong namespace? If it is, then this article belongs the Webcomics namespace. Also I'm a novice, so I'm not comfortable trying to move pages by myself currently.
openBiased Troper Deletions
This troper here
has taken to deleting entries on Characters.Game Of Thrones House Stark Children regarding Jon Snow. Any examples critical of the show's version of Jon Snow, are removed and examples insisting that he's a special genius contrary to visual examples are placed instead.
Now initially I backed away from these deletions, but another troper restored the entries indicating a consensus for the original view, and voila the Show!Jon fan has deleted the entries (which I corrected and improved since that was even more negative) this time without a comment explaining or defending himself.
openFolder Numbers
What's the wiki's approach to the naming of folders that use numbers: for example, "Folder 1" or "Folder One"?
The reason I asked is because, on the RWBY Nightmare Fuel page
a while back, Running_Gag suddenly changed a group of folders from spelling out the number ("One") to the number itself ("1"). There was no edit reason, so the edit was reverted by Zaptech, using the following edit reason:
General English grammar rule: Unless its an official or technical document, numerical amounts under the value of 100 should be spelled out. Under 1,000 can use numbers or be spelled out depending on how formal and/or technical you're being. Once you get past 1,000, then you can use the numbers.
The12th Doctor has just reverted the folders back to the numerical style (Folder 1), without an edit reason.
Since this seems to be an issue, what's the correct approach?
openNeed to cut down this paragraph
In the page for "Mind is a Plaything of the Body", I found this super long entry:
In Walk Through the Valley by Vathara, Hiko transforms uses LEGO Genetics to transform himself into a kiryuu alterant and kiryuu are felinoid aliens from the planet Satoyama that possesses Complete Immortality (anything that doesn't kill them immediately tends not to kill them at all), Innate Night Vision so strong that they very myopic during the day, sensory tendrils in place of hair, EMP-generation and perception which allows to share thoughts with each other, made possible by the sensory tendrils; and they are Knight Templar Parents that will kill any predators that come near the birthing den. Upon becoming half-man, half-kiryuu, he finds himself mentally declaring the cabin and where he woke up and everything within sight of it to be his when he'd previously never stayed anywhere more than a year at a time (except for his stint on Satoyama) and didn't allow himself to get attached and contemplating leaping sixty feet into the air to chase a bushy-tailed rodent on a tree. That was in the first week. Within five years, he finds himself killing in an Unstoppable Rage for the first time just because the victim, a member of the Oniwabanshuu, was under Mind Control like all citizens of The Federation to protect them from The Evils of Free Will (and the Oniwabanshuu are members of the Human Subspecies empowered to do the protecting through Telepathy). After that, his mountain was safe. Later, he finds himself with a dying eight-year-old escaped slave boy (Kenshin) and the only way to save him is an Emergency Transformation into a kiryuu alterant. Previously, Hiko had been a Child Hater, or, at least, wasn't interested in making sacrifices for a child such as free time or career. But after the second time Kenshin's skin shed, he found himself with unable to keep from growling at one of his few friends whenever she made sudden movements towards the cabin. This transformation lasted months. Months he had to spend working with the instincts until they re-categorized her as a "spark-ally" (sparks are what kiryuu packs are called).
Can anybody cut it down to a manageable size? I smell entry pimping.
Edited by RaygunJustice
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openDoes What An Idiot require the specific formatting?
I've often seen What An Idiot examples formatted in this way:
- First bullet point describing the situation.
- You'd expect: the obvious thing to do.
- Instead: what actually happens.
Is this format mandatory? All the examples on the What An Idiot subpages use it, but those on a work's YMMV page don't always do so. Should such examples be deleted or made to fit the format? Should the format be mentioned on the What An Idiot page itself (it's not there currently)?
openNo Title Literature
I just came across the page for the book Liar and it is absolutly covered in whitespaced spoiler tags. I've moved all the tags that were around the trope names onto around the text itself, but it is still looking far too tag heavy. I'm not familiar with this work myself, and I understand it has a sizeable twist halfway through, which the author has asked readers not to spoil, so I would be grateful if anyone has an idea on how to rewrite this to work with our spoiler policy. Or maybe we should just declare it spoilers off, and put a warning label at the top?
Anyone got any ideas, please?
openCould Monsters be considered a trope?
Used literally, the word "Monster" is an umbrella term that refers to dangerous fictional creatures or entities that are distinct from (physiologically normal) humans or animals, especially ones that are malevolent or that prey on humans. I feel like the concept of Monsters is a trope in itself (and an important one) but I wanted to see what other people think.
openEdit War Mistake
I've gotten myself into an Edit War with Bob Riddle over his inclusion of out-of-hat suggestions in DEATH BATTLE! Suggestions: Returning Combatants without even realizing it, and it's only just now that I've made a critical mistake. I'm becoming no different from Ichigo Montoya a few months prior by judging suggestions based on quality, and being rather hard-pressed about it too.
I take full responsibility for my actions.
Edited by DivineFlame100openRed Dead Redemption 2 Videogame
Should We Have This? Got myself a dumb question here, at the trivia section of Red Dead Redemption 2 there a line that says "Jossed: RDR and GTA don't take place in the same universe. In "The First Shall Be The Last" New York gets name-dropped in conversation, of which neither state nor city exist in GTA." without direct Word of God information out of pure speculation and might have contradict itself due to a stranger mission called geology for beginners
Edited by IndepthEtheropenKingdom Live Action TV
I'm happy to create it myself (with some trepidation as a fairly newbie troper admittedly) but wanted to check first;
Is there a specific reason there's no page for Kingdom (the mma tv series?)
openRegarding novelizations Film
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but if a novelization of a film explains something in detail that went missing, was only implied in the film or something else entirely, should that be added to the film page itself in some way?
open "Self demonstrating" folder titles
Wild Teen Party has folder titles that appear to try to be self-demonstrating, even though the page is in Main and the rest of it is not written self-demonstratingly. Kosher or not? It doesn't add anything to the page, in any case...

Dravencour changed all spellings of "Freeza" to "Frieza" in Characters.Dragon Ball Z Abridged Movies. His name is officially spelled "Freeza" in this series, a point stressed multiple times. There are far too many examples for me to correct myself, can a mod please revert the changes?