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openSpoiler Tagging on Wham Shot
Wham Shot has a warning of unmarked spoilers right above the example section, but in the example section itself some examples use spoilers anyway. Should/can I remove those spoiler tags? It just irritates me to see the different examples of the same trope following different protocols.
Edited by OrbitingopenRecap.EmeraldCity Live Action TV
A few of the Emerald City recap pages had improper Wiki Words, so I put them on the cutlist with a note that they needed to be recreated under the proper Wiki Word. The cutmaster cut them, but didn't restore them, and now the history is gone so I can't do it myself. This is especially odd as I also requested the same thing for a Recap.The Flash 2014 recap page, and it was done correctly there.
openRashandfierce
What are the odds that Rashandfierce
is not Creator.Sonbreezie? RAF is literally the only person editing Sonbreezie's pages (poorly, I might add. They're putting in waaaaaaaaay too much troping of the artist like they're a fictional character), and have very similar tastes (in both works and fictional crushes).
But troping your own works is fine, the problem is this same person is the only person adding to the YMMV and audience reactions pages.
Honestly, I hope it's the same person because some of the edits come off as overly self-congratulatory if they're the same one, but if they're someone else they're kind of creepy.
Edited by Larkmarnopen Massive Shoehorn and Complain On Esoteric Happy Ending.
- Gravity Falls ends with Dipper and Mabel reconciling and mended their rift from the previous events. However, the events where Mabel give the Rift to Blendin which directly caused the apocalypse in the first place and the reason she did it was never addressed, giving the impression that Mabel never really learned anything from her selfishness or her All Take and No Give relationship with her brother, especially since Dipper ended up having to sacrifice his apprenticeship with Ford just to get her out of Mableland. As a result, the future between the two is highly uncertain and they could even end up having a massive falling out much like Stan and Ford as a result of Mabel's selfishness.
I think this isnt kosher...or is it? I hope to get some consensus here.
openIndexing Question Web Original
Where should one index the character page of a Journal Roleplay? I've seen some people put them on Characters.Play By Post Games, but since according the descriptions Play-by-Post Games and Journal Roleplays are different enough to warrant different tropes and indexes is that a good solution? I'd consider making a separate index page myself, but I don't know how to do so/if it would have to go through the Trope Launch Pad.
openSelf-added noncanon awesome?
Steven Universe Blackthorned was added to Awesome.Steven Universe Non Canon by who I believe to be the author of the fic. While the premise does sound interesting, is it against the rules to add your own work to a noncanon awesome page?
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenTalking to Himself
Talking To Himself (especially its subpage for Live Action Film) seem to have a lot of examples that are actually live actors. I would just remove them, but there's so many I wondered if there are subtle distinctions that mean they don't qualify for Loads and Loads of Roles. Is it because the actors don't actually appear on camera at the same time?
openDeleting Pages
How do you delete a page? I just made a new trope page for a dinosaur media entry, but the authors of the work the page described felt it didn't deserve a page and I find myself inclined to agree with them.
openchickenpie999 Film
chickenpie999
has deleted several examples
from YMMV.Return Of The Jedi without providing any edit reasons.
They've also changed an example from this:
To this:
openGeneral question about symbolism tropes
I'm having a bit of difficulty editing and helping with improving some symbolism-related tropes, since they do seem to be a bit open to interpretation. So, I have a question about the guidelines: for symbolism tropes, are examples drawn from fan-made analysis and/or interpretations acceptable as examples, or would they need to be something more concretely stated (either within the work itself or by an author in a supplementary resource, such as an interview)?
Edited by ClockworkUniversesopenNo title
A couple days ago, I mentioned these two examples from Crying Wolf on the Trump and ROCEJ
thread, but no one responded. Do you think these examples should be removed?
- According to commentators such as Robby Scave of reason.com
and Bill Maher
, this trope contributed to Donald Trump's election in 2016. By characterizing past Republican candidates such as Bush, McCain, and Romney as racists supported by racists and otherwise undesirable people, the left (including Maher himself), undermined their own credibility when an actually-racist candidate ran for office.
- When it was revealed that key members of Trump's campaign team had links to Russia, some people on the left dismissed these claims as Red Scare-style paranoia, even calling belief that Russia interfered in the 2016 election "neo-McCarthyism," remembering anti-Russian and anti-communist hysteria in the '50s. Then FBI Director James Comey did confirm that the FBI was investigating Russian interference in the election in a hearing before Congress.
open Never a Self-Made Woman Cleanup
Never a Self-Made Woman needs a lot of cleanup in the examples. Many of the entries are just "this woman received some help from a man, therefore she have no agency in involving herself with the plot" when the trope description specifies that the man has to be more important than they are. It's not supposed to be that any work that lacks a Self-Made Woman is guilty of this trope. Especially in works where lineage and pedigree are important aspects of backstories regardless of gender.
The very first example (Shizuka Jounouchi) seems valid enough, but already the second example is pushing it. The Hellsing entry seems to reflect a totally different kind of trope about discrimination against women. The specific examples given for Naruto fit, but that same entry acknowledges they're not the norm which loops back to making itself questionable. Fullmetal Alchemist plays with the trope so much it screams of Square Peg Round Trope. The Pet Shop Of Horrors is an unambiguous subversion so it fits this trope. Jackals is an inversion/aversion when the trope description states that such examples should not be here.
And on and on and on. Perhaps the trope description needs to be made more specific in the first place?
Edited by AlleyOopopenTwo Work Pages in Need of Help
I was hoping for some advice or a point in the right direction in dealing with a couple work pages that need some work done.
The first is one I brought up a while back
, Literature.Rai Kirah . It's a work without a description, only a list of when the books of the trilogy were released. I PM'd the one who made the page but the only response to anything was a post in the discussion page (which, I admit, I was slow responding to) wondering about ZCE's I'd uncommented. It's been two weeks since my reply, where I mentioned the lack of description, and nothing. Where can I go to get some help for getting a description done?
The second work of Manga.The Voynich Hotel. Its description and tropes read like a brochure for the titular hotel. That's bad enough but there's nothing like that in the series (I've read about the first half) so they can't even use Self-Demonstrating as an excuse. Is this worth a short term project to help repair or is there somewhere else I should go? Not sure if I alone can get that fixed on a timely manner.
Thanks in advance.
Edit: I found the Improving work and creator page descriptions thread so I'll likely get my help from there.
Edited by sgamer82openWeDidntStartTheFuhrer Film
I have recently seen a film set in a historical war (which is not World War II), where the main character is sure that the whole conflict was caused by a supernatural influence over humanity, and it turns out that no, the war was something that humanity started all by itself, with no supernatural forces at work. I thought about We Didn't Start the Führer, but that trope clarifies that it is specifically for Hitler and WWII. Is there some parent trope, then? Or should I use it anyway, taking into account that Tropes are flexible? If it is the second, shouldn't we rewrite the trope a bit, to clarify that WWII is simply a major location of this trope, but not the exclusive one?
Note: The very question I'm making may give a spoiler about the plot of the film, so the best way I could thought about to avoid that was to speak in general terms, without mentioning the film (and, just in case, not even the actual war). If someone else here does realize the film that made me ask this question, please do not mention it, for the sake of those who did not saw it.
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openReporting a troper
I would like to report Tropers.Lady Jane Grey due to issues with Handling Spoilers, Parabombing, and Word Cruft. Their edit history
.
I messaged them today regarding the Word Cruft, but not only have they not replied, but they have continued making edits without correcting the mess.
The example I messaged them about is this one added to Casanova Wannabe yesterday
:
* Alito in ''Anime/YuGiOhZexal'' tries to charm and romance Katori, ultimately seeing Yuma as a rival for her affection. (Ironically, Yuma [[ChasteHero doesn't see her that way at all]].) His lame, hammy, and sappy attempts fall flat and come off as silly. (Seeing as [[AntiVillain he's a Barian]], it's rather awkward anyway; he doesn't even recognize Yuma as an enemy until ''after'' seeing him as a rival for Katori.)
Parabombing is present in this example. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't parabombing count as Word Cruft? And does it really fit the trope itself?
Another example has to do with Handling Spoilers. On the 23rd of July
, they added this to Literature.Harry Potter And The Chamberof Secrets:
* LeeroyJenkins: [[spoiler:At first, it is assumed that Hermione was petrified because she acted like this, looking for the Chamber alone and unprepared. In truth, the Trope is ''seriously'' subverted. She ''was'' prepared, the reason she wasn't ''killed''.]]
We have improper capitalization, you can't "seriously" subvert a trope, and examples shouldn't be whited out, even if the trope itself remains visible.
Just today
, they added four examples to IneffectualSympatheticVillain.Comic Books:
* The there was Signalman. Supposedly, he was a crook who figured he needed some gimmick to be successful, so taking inspiration from the Bat-Signal, he embarked on crimes where, like the Riddler, he left clues for the hero. But signals just don't grab a fan's attention as much as riddles do, and his costume looked like some kid scribbled all over it. * Calendar Man started out like this. Julian Gregory Day (three puns in one there) committed crimes on holidays with an appropriate theme. (Like dressing as Uncle Sam on Independence Day and robbing historic museums.) And he made really bad puns doing it. Still, in recent years he's become a little more serious and seen in darker stories, becoming a ''little'' better and less of a joke. * Charlie Brown, the notorious Kite Man. ([[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Not making this up]], this lame ShoutOut even crashed into a tree in one story and yelled "Rats!") Obsessed with kites, he committed crimes with a rocket-powered hang glider, until he was killed off and [[OldShame never mentioned again.]] * One would think that a character designed by legends Bob Kane and Bill finger would be A-list, but the Penny Plunderer was anything but. Joe Coyne (uh, yeah) was a newspaper seller who was fired for stealing pennies, and turned to crime over an obsession for them. But it gets worse. This was the ''original owner of the giant penny'', the one in the Batcave. DC was so embarrassed by this story, they gave it a RetCon that made the villain RetGone, attributing the giant penny to Two-Face and banishing the Penny Plunderer from canon.
Parabombing is present. Additionally, a typo in the first example, which I'm assuming to be "then" instead of "the", makes it come off as natter.
On the 21st of July
, they took the properly indented Sad Clown trope and put it under Non-Ironic Clown as a second-level bullet. Both are ZC Es.
Looking through my messages, I thought I had messaged them about Handling Spoilers, too, but it would seem I messaged someone else about it instead. The message regarding Word Cruft at least still stands.
Edited by TheNerfGuyopenLeaked content policy?
There have been more than a few things lately that have broken their street dates which has had me wondering if we have a policy for leaked content and if we should if we don't. I myself don't have a specific viewpoint but the various leaks lately have made me wonder if it should be addressed.
openSmitty91 Western Animation
There's a troper by the name of Smitty 91 who keeps going by different usernames and posting different entries in FiM's DMoS page. It's obvious he hates the show now, but good lord, this person is persistent. I've actually been asked about his latest entry on "Fame and Misfortune" (an episode that I, myself, hate for totally different reasons than mostly everyone else), which has since been removed, and I figured I'd let you know about this. This guy needs to stop. It is my request that this person be penalized for his continued misuse of the page.
Edited by SenorCornholioopenThinking of Removing Entry from Fanfic/ Memes
The entry in question is about a fanfic called "Forbidden Love: The Iliad". However, when I searched up the fanfic, there did not seem to be much mention of it, so I am not so sure if it was ever a meme.
Maybe I should have searched up the line that was memetic, though. But I do not want to, because... well, just check the entry yourself.
Edited by RaygunJustice

There's a TLP entry (Yellow Is Heroic) that states it is "A Super-Trope to Primary-Color Champion". My knee-jerk reaction was that this was wrong—I think of the Super-Trope, Sister Trope, and Sub-Trope distinctions as being a "tree" structure, where one Super-Trope can have multiple direct Sub Tropes (Sister Tropes to one another), but each group of Sister Tropes would have only one direct Super-Trope. This understanding is supported by the description of The Same But More Specific, which says that a Sub-Trope is something that is The Same But More Specific of the Super-Trope and serves a distinct narrative function.
However, upon digging around, I found that the existing trope Red Is Heroic makes the same claim about being "a" Super-Trope to Primary-Color Champion, while Primary-Color Champion itself states that it is a "A Sub-Trope of Good Colors, Evil Colors, Red Is Heroic and Blue Is Heroic." By contrast, Blue Is Heroic says "A Sub-Trope of Good Colors, Evil Colors. When Blue Is Heroic and Red Is Heroic are both applied to the same character you get a Primary-Color Champion."
To me, the description under Blue Is Heroic is the one that makes sense with the way I think of Super Tropes. Blue Is Heroic, Red Is Heroic, and Primary-Color Champion would all be Sub Tropes of Good Colors, Evil Colors, but Primary-Color Champion wouldn't be a Sub-Trope of either of the single-color tropes because it has a required element that is not covered either Red Is Heroic or Blue Is Heroic, namely the requirement to feature significant amounts of both red and blue rather than just one of the colors individually.
Which usage of Super Tropes is correct?