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openRetcon vs Continuity Error?
WandaVision and WandaVision Episode 8 "Previously On":
- Series Continuity Error: A very, very minor discrepancy when depicting Wanda's backstory in "Previously On" - Pietro recounts to Ultron in Age of Ultron that the Maximoff family was having dinner when the bombings hit. When shown the episode itself, the family is having a TV night, watching The Dick Van Dyke Show together, but clearly not eating dinner while doing so. Wanda's mother is even washing dishes when the scene begins, implying dinner was already over by then. Could be justified if one assumes Wanda's memory of such a traumatic event was imperfect and Pietro's Age of Ultron explanation was him misremembering it.
- Retcon: Avengers: Age of Ultron has Pietro's detailed description of the destruction of the Maximoff home, including that it was during dinner and that the floor fell from under them. This doesn't happen in Wanda's flashback here; instead, the family was watching an episode of The Dick Van Dyke Show when the bomb hit, and it caused the roof to collapse.
- Series Continuity Error: In Avengers: Age of Ultron, Ultron created Vision by bonding Vibranium to synthetic human tissue using Doctor Helen Cho's Regeneration Cradle. In this episode, Vision's vivisected body contains wires and circuitry, with no trace of organic matter. However, his head clearly contained wires and circuits when Thanos ripped the Mind Stone out, so it may instead be a Retcon.
Retcons are deliberate changes while error is unintentional so these seem mutually exclusive. I'm leaning to the backstory being a Retcon as it's changing a minor, relatively unimportant detail replacing it with something major and important to the plot. Not sure about the Vision one. Thoughts?
openCharacters/OrangeIsTheNewBlack
I'm doing dewicking for Transgender and I came across Orange Is the New Black - Black Inmates - it is custom titled to say "Black Inmates", but the location of the page itself is Characters.Orange Is The New Black Black. This is the same for the other ethnicity pages: Characters.Orange Is The New Black Hispanic (Hispanic Inmates), Characters.Orange Is The New Black White (White Inmates), and Characters.Orange Is The New Black Asian (Asian Inmates), along with Characters.Orange Is The New Black Other for "Other Characters". Custom titles shouldn't be used this way, but should the "Inmates" part just be removed or should the pages be moved to what they say they are?
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenWhat warrants a character specific page?
My logic making Character Specific Pages and by what's described on main itself is to reserve it for characters who'd otherwise take up a large chunk of the page. I've been going off word count a lot of the time, and most of the ones I've seen have anywhere from five to ten thousand words. Others I've talked to have argued for trope count instead, but I've seen no steadfast rule on that, so I wasn't sure whether to take it into consideration.
Edited by IkeaHanopen TenuousVermian
Tenuous Vermian has been making a pest of himself, spamming all over the site asking about how to buy a vest that some character in a TV show wears, making new posts instead of replying to or editing his old ones, and is continuing to do this even after having proper procedure explained to him multiple times by multiple tropers, including myself.
openAssault Rifle (And general CoolGuns) Cleanup.
Currently.Well, just look at it.. Each description is a text wall (although the M16 and AK families are by far the worst offenders), and quite a few have been inflated by a back-and-forth "this gun's the best, no that gun, no this gun, no those guns are better" to the point of roughly 1k words per wall.
I have a project going to fix that, so this is mostly just asking for help :/. Don't trust myself not to be biased.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14609531630A25725700&page=1#1
open What exactly is ReadTheFreakingManual about?
I'm having trouble figuring out what Read the Freaking Manual is actually about. The description itself is very unclear (best I can figure it's "person arrogantly didn't read the manual because they think they can figure it out" but that's a relatively uncommon use of it on the page. The examples seem to be a hodgepodge of "this work referenced a manual," "actually reading a manual makes someone an Instant Expert," "it would behoove the characters to have read a manual (even if none was mentioned)," and a few of the "person arrogantly didn't read the manual because they think they can figure it out" examples I mentioned earlier.
Could I get some clarification?
openI'm not sure about this one
An edit made to this page
by Smitty 300 has no detail but a You Tube link of questionable reputation. (And I'm starting to wonder whether or not edits to the page itself should be by request only.)
openSome...interesting formatting on Music/TheAgonist Music
Music.TheAgonist consists entirely of zero-context examples grouped by song. Even if the examples had context (which they don't) and were indented correctly (which they aren't), would this method of organizing even be kosher? It just seems to be more unwieldy than just arranging the tropes in the normal way.
I'm not familiar enough with the band to add context to any of the examples, and the few examples with context seem to be misuse, so...uh...what should be done here? I could try to overhaul it myself (the reason I ended up on the page in the first place was because I started listening to one of their albums and liked it), but it would take a while.
openDon't Understand the Difference: In Love with Love; Playing Straight and Deconstructed
I'm confused about the difference between playing In Love with Love straight with deconstructing it. It sounds like the two are one and the same, particularly with the example given in Western Animation about Vlad Plasmius: The basic trope is that a character wants a romantic relationship just for the sake of one while the deconstruction is that Vlad wants Maddie as a wife rather than actually being in love with Maddie herself. Those two sound very much alike to me, and are hard to distinguish. Could someone please enlighten me? Thank you in advance for your time and for whatever help you can provide.
openQuestion about edit on No Dub For You
Previously, TheNohrianDarkKnight changed an entry about Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE on No Dub for You to read: "Bill Trinen of NoA claimed this was done in order to match the Japanese feel of the game, though some feel that the localizers just didn't care due to the game not being a hot seller in Japan itself."
I changed it to get rid of the attempt to shoehorn in They Just Didn't Care since they did not provide the necessary citations. They then changed it to read: "According to Bill Trinen of NoA, this game does not have a dub in order to match the Japanese feel of the game, though some think this was actually due to the game's not-so successful run in Japan."
Is the example valid? I get the feeling that it was worded that way to try to hint that Bill Trinen is lying and that Weasel Words are involved, and I wanted to be sure if speculating on such things on that page is allowed.
Edited by dragonfire5000openWeird Example on YMMV/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Anime
This was under the Moe entry.
- Many fans claim that Puella Magi Madoka Magica is a feminist series, when in fact, Gen Urobochi had conceptualized the series through comparisons of girls' "hubris" and "self-righteousness" to Al-Qaeda, not to mention that the intended demographic was for an older, male audience.
I'm not sure what the point of the entry was (well besides the last part). But the point about its relationship to feminism is already mentioned elsewhere on the page (word for word in fact) and for some reason i see this entry as out of place. Should it stay?
openZCE issue
InterestingCarSalesman added a list of entries to AwesomeMusic.Marvel Cinematic Universe consisting solely of weblinks. I commented them out for falling afoul of the Zero-Context Example and Weblinks Are Not Examples policies. They then uncommented them without expanding them with the edit reason "Don't be a dick. Rather than blanking them out, why not just fill them in yourself?" Which rather seems to miss the point of why the ZCE policy exists.
openCowboy Wizard In Space Film
I recently deleted a Small Reference Pools example from YMMV.Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them, since Small Reference Pools is not a YMMV items. And I left behind an edit-reason explaining so.
Cowboy Wizard in Space
has re-added the example leaving this as his edit-reason:
"Although the trope itself is not specifically coded as YMMV, the entries are too subjective for the main page. I went through the entire YMMV index and was unable to find a YMMV trope that fit the opinions described, and so have added Small Reference Pools back in. If anyone finds a YMMV trope that fits the opinions below, feel free to change it; but for the time being, deleting opinions is against YMMV policy."
Edited by AnddrixopenAbout wiki(pedia) plagiarism and such
Here's one doubt that has been bothering me and may be relevant to editors of multiple wikis:
Say you added a bunch of info in another wiki about some subject or another you have knowledge of, off the top of your head etc, and one day, you come here and add it to tvtropes, VERBATIM, now that an article about it has been created (or you are the one creating it...) Think about crosswicking stuff in multiple sites.
Would that be a problem? I know that once you post something online, is not "your info" anymore, but self-plagiarism seems a bit okay to me, if somewhat hard to prove.
Edited by TrollBrutalopenTroper pushing "Frying Dory Collab" Petition
a-wasted-life
has been pushing an agenda recently. They've been editing pages related to YTP creator EmperorLemon and have been posting calls to join a Twitter campaign to make a "Frying Dory" collab, since Emperor Lemon won't make one himself.
openIndexing Character Sub-Sheets
Should supplementary Character Sheets be italicized in indexes? Generally, these sub-sheets are named after characters from a work rather than the work itself, so why should Superman or the protagonists of The Hunger Games be italicized in indexes?
openTelevision Is Trying to Kill Us
Asking here before I edit, since apparently the last person got wikistalked.
The page seems to be a random collection of tropes that are supposedly deadly and unrealistic, with a touch of panic, but it's insanely lecture-y, reads like a how-to, has more than a touch of Viewers Are Morons, and a lot of tropes added aren't lethal if repeated, or meant to be. Such as Big Eater, Boom, Headshot!, which appears to be meant to be deadly and lethal, British Royal Guards, which seems less "deadly" and "you'll get your ass kicked" and is demonstrated on the trope page itself, et cetera. There's also YMMV stuff thrown in, like Too Smart for Strangers, which claims this trope makes us blind to any kind of abuse perpetrated by someone the victim knows, et cetera. I'm looking at the edit history and there's something of an effort to make it so only Do Not Try This at Home tropes should be there.
I know the whole 'We Are Not Wikipedia' thing is old hat, but... on top of that, it says on the page "This is an index. A description of why a trope fits here is fine but examples should go on the respective trope pages. Try not to add 300 additional bullet points if it can be helped."
Edited by DimensionalShambleropenNothing to do with Creator Killer? Anime
I'm genuinely confused as to how this doesn't have anything to do with Creator Killer. I mean it, I thought it was an example from the minute I learned of it. Maybe the second half of the example doesn't have anything to do with the trope (and in fact would feel more at home under Old Shame), but I'm positive the first half has at least some link to the trope.
- The screenplay for Pokémon 3 has been blamed for killing series showrunner Takeshi Shudo's career. For him, the way the ending, which was supposed to have been ambiguous, was interpreted by the scriptwriter marked the beginning of the end. For the rest of his life, he had no kind word to say about the movie itself, going on record as saying that were his mother alive and missing he would never have even thought about abducting another's.
openSuper Complaint Edit on So Bad Its Good Anime
- Anata To Scandal has some golden moments here and there but it's problem is that the story doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. Tomoka is your Ordinary High-School Student piano genius who sees a Bishōnen every day on the train to school and has fallen in love with him. One day her friends notice that this crush has gone to Stalker with a Crush levels as she has brought a camera to school and is going to secretly take a picture next time she sees him. That afternoon a man gropes her and she's saved by another Bishōnen in front of her crush and after police arrest the man and the boys leave on the next train she takes a picture of her crush. Later she goes to a party and the boys are members of the band playing there. They recognize her and stamp her a pervert, she gets drunk, and finds out that her crush is in fact a Bifauxnen, but her feelings doesn't disappear and her Childhood Friend falls in love with her. So our now Bi The Way heroine finds the thought of others being lesbian gross yet still has no problem being one herself. The other band members fall for her making it an awkward Love Dodecahedron. The Bifauxnen is seemingly asexual, but starts falling for her twice as old fiance after he kept her captive for a few days. It keeps on going back on forth whether it wants to be a Yuri Genre or not making it a mess of Unfortunate Implications that unintentionally Crosses the Line Twice that one might keep on reading wondering "how will this mess end?!". Tomoka herself is an unlikeable character who is supposed to be a Spoiled Sweet character but ends up with a weird mix of wangst and gayngst and is seemingly a Sociopath.
This is definitely not a kosher edit... OR IS IT? Because as its stands is REALLY whiny and not what the trope is about at all.

Self-explanatory. Can redlinks be custom titled to include special characters and the like?
Edited by Adept