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openRewrite vs Retcon
Characters.Kingdom Hearts Vanitas Characters.Kingdom Hearts Vanitas
- Re Write: It happens with Vanitas in Re:Mind. He is established in his debut game Birth By Sleep to be the living embodiment of Ven's darkness, extracted from his heart. Ten years later, in III's Re:Mind DLC, he suddenly reveals to Ven and Aqua in a new scene that he is actually a separate being who was merely hidden inside Ven's heart and ripped out by Xehanort (though the line from III referencing himself as a piece of Ven is still left in when he dies, suggesting that he still views himself as a part of Ven). Ven and Aqua don't care enough to get more information before he fades back into darkness. Union Cross supports this with the reveal that one of the 13 pieces of Darkness sealed itself inside Ven to escape on the ark.
I'm having trouble understanding how this is different than Retcon. The Re Write page states it's "A Retcon which directly ignores, contradicts or alters information in the Backstory." So is it a sub-trope of Retcon or The Same, but More Specific? The Re Write page also has examples from Alternate Continuity or changes things that were assumed as opposed to outright shown/stated which seems misuse, so the trope might need cleanup.
openCharacter limits for multi-character character pages
I wanted to ask if the 40,000 byte minimum for splitting off new character pages only applies to pages for single individuals or for groups as well. For example — say that there's a character page for The Adventures of Alice and Bob, with a section for Alice's gang and a section for Bob's gang. If Alice's folder, by itself, has less than 40k characters, it doesn't get a page. If the folders for Alice's gang, put together, also count less than 40k characters, does the ban still apply or can the group be split off into its own character page anyway?
openTTS Tear Jerker issues
As sad as the premature end of the series was, I question these resulting additions to TearJerker.If The Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device:
- Kitten arrives at the Noctis Labyrinth, but is ambushed by Cawl's forces and a battle ensues where the Custodes entourage suffers several losses culminating in Kitten's defeat and death to the despair of every Custodes present. The Emperor, having been watching and cheering on the Custodes, completely loses it and lets loose a psychic backlash so significant that it erupts from Holy Terra as if splitting the planet in half. Rogal Dorn attempts to mitigate this by donning his centurion helmet and jumping into the Emperor's lap despite the warp-storm, and seemingly succeeds in reducing it to a solemn rain as he lays distressingly still across the Emperor's lap. Once again, a loyal son of the Emperor has died at the hands of traitors while attempting to rescue his father, another has nearly perished just to please him, and another might be dead due to attempting to rescue the people of Terra. And with TTS going on an indefinite hiatus, this cliffhanger becomes a Downer Ending.
Alfabusa:
"The third part will not be released despite it honestly being quite close to finished. [...] [W]ith the situation now, other than needing to focus on starting up new projects and the lack of motivation, it also, in a horrible way, felt kind of apt to end it here. Sorry."
- What adds an extra layer of sadness to the whole affair, the final episode is dedicated to Corrie (CCRockchic), the female voice of Cawl after she passed away from lung cancer. The message in the description speaks for itself.
This was meant to be her second appearance as Cawl. She would have done amazingly, we know this for an absolute fact, and we are still distraught she did not have the chance to reprise her role. We thank you for the time and the work you did have the time to grace us with, Corrie. Thank you so much, and rest well. - The Fate of TTS
. Thanks to GW's new zero tolerance policy for fan animations, Alfabusa has announced that he can't afford to take any legal risks, especially with his newborn child, and so the series is going to be shelved for the foreseeable future. He goes into depth, almost on the verge of tears, that after working on this project for the last eight years purely out of love for Warhammer 40,000, he and the cast will likely be stepping away from the franchise, especially in light of recent allegations regarding the company. He admits that they might make content for other franchises to keep things going, but knows that it'll affect viewership with how niche the channel is and he's not sure if support will dry up or not. The whole situation has turned him into, in his own words, a meatball of despair.
As Tear Jerker is NoRealLife.Too Common, I question if the last examples is a violation of that as, sad as it is, is entry out-of-universe. The In Memoriam I'd consider valid as it ties into/expands upon the in-work Tear Jerker aspect, and is unrelated to the cancelation, but I'm running it by.
Also, in response to the series de-facto cancelation, the pages image was changed from [1]
◊ to [2]
◊, the newer one seems like Just a Face and a Caption. Thoughts?
openWhat is the best way to handle this particular indentation problem (** bullet after quote)?
So we have this example here:
- Ambiguous Gender: Their appearance is notably very gender-neutral, and they are referred to with gender-neutral pronouns. They even point this out on Twitter that any pronouns doesn't matter
.
Omegaα: He/She/It/They anything. It does not matter.- It should be noted that some of the talents uses different pronouns. Kronii herself identifies Omega as male due to their androgynous appearance while Ollie identifies them as female.
Now, according to Example Indentation in Trope Lists, this is bad indentation and it should be fixed. I can think of two solutions, but I don't know which one is better.
- Ambiguous Gender: Their appearance is notably very gender-neutral, and they are referred to with gender-neutral pronouns. They even point this out on Twitter that any pronouns doesn't matter
.
Omegaα: He/She/It/They anything. It does not matter.- It should be noted that some of the talents uses different pronouns. Kronii herself identifies Omega as male due to their androgynous appearance while Ollie identifies them as female.
- Ambiguous Gender:
- Their appearance is notably very gender-neutral, and they are referred to with gender-neutral pronouns. They even point this out on Twitter that any pronouns doesn't matter
.
Omegaα: He/She/It/They anything. It does not matter. - It should be noted that some of the talents uses different pronouns. Kronii herself identifies Omega as male due to their androgynous appearance while Ollie identifies them as female.
- Their appearance is notably very gender-neutral, and they are referred to with gender-neutral pronouns. They even point this out on Twitter that any pronouns doesn't matter
Any opinions?
Edited by AsoktencheaopenGLaDOS Page weirdness
Something weird is up with SelfDemonstrating.G La DOS (Unless it's just my phone.)
It's full of end lines as though someone had added double slashes between almost every word. But theres nothing like that in the page source and I can find nowhere in the history where it was vandalized.
The page has a metric crap ton of formatting to give it its voice. Did it break the page?
openIs ExpositoryHairstyles a trope, or an index? ... EDIT: Are we done cleaning?
I'm on a bent to do some TRS Wick Cleaning, and my focus is Expository Hairstyles, right now, since it's super short.
Expository Hairstyles is used as a trope in at least Motherly Side Plait, and calls itself a Super-Trope, but it looks like an index.
Is it an index or a trope? Or is it a trope that has effectively an Examplesectionectomy?
There's 33 wicks
left. Should we work to remove all of them, or is it basically as clean as it can be?
openOvershadowedByControversy about a (real life) person -- kosher?
So, the Depp/Heard domestic violence thing again popped up. This was added to Johnny Depp 's Creator page:
- Overshadowed by Controversy: This has been the case for him since the allegations of abuse between him and Amber Heard (both claiming that the other is the abusive one while they only acted in self-defense), as he's been in the news much more for his court battles than for his movies. He was eventually dropped from the third Fantastic Beasts movie after he lost his libel lawsuit against The Sun for calling him a "wifebeater."
Can Overshadowed by Controversy even be added to a character (or actually a real person, in this case), isn't it only about works?
It's a YMMV so it also triggered the warning icon.
openSmart Lancer and Big Lancer
So, in my review of several Super Sentai pages, I've noticed a few times a character in the group get called either The Smart Lancer or The Big Lancer (with links to relevant Lancer/Smart Guy/Big Guy pages). It's making me wonder if maybe these 'Lancer combos' should become either full-fledge pages of their own or maybe just side notes on the Lancer page itself. I just wanted to discuss this before launching any Trope pages.
openIs there a way of removing an ATT thread?
My last thread was... embarrassing and I'm feeling pretty bad about asking in the first place, since it ended up seeming like I was requesting people edit a page I could do myself. I've had a clean history here and I don't want that affecting me.
openCalvin and Hobbes Headscratchers page
The main C&H Headscratchers page used to be an index for the pages devoted to the comic itself and more meta/Watterson examples. Now the meta page is gone, so there's no need for the index anymore. Could someone move Calvin And Hobbes In Universe back to Calvin and Hobbes?
(And if the old meta content is still kicking around somewhere, could we salvage it and move it to YMMV/BillWatterson?)
openACI misuse?
AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.SCP Foundation:
- SCP-447 may do something unimaginably horrible when brought into contact with dead bodies... or it may simply have a memetic effect that makes people think it does.
I think this is misuse as 447 is not a character so what's being interpreted alternately isn' character related. I’ve seen Ambiguous Situation used for another non-character SCP that was intentionally ambiguous. This sounds more like Wild Mass Guessing as it’s the first I’ve heard it as opposed to the common speculations I’ve seen for 447.
AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic:
- The "Screwball" pony flying around with a propeller hat could be like Pinkie: a pony that would be happy if Discord's reign was permanent ("Eternal chaos comes with chocolate rain!"). Then there is the idea that she was created by him.
- When she first appeared there were interpretations that she is a normal pony, possibly a baseball star, who only seemed unusual due to Discord screwing with everything.
- Celestia and Luna being Physical Goddesses is itself an ACI; there are numerous hints for it, most significantly their dominion over celestial bodies, the aspects of nature they represent, and their extensive lifespan, but the actual word god/goddess has never been used in the series. Less common is the interpretation that they are "merely" extremely powerful ponies, or two of the few remaining alicorns after their race was nearly rendered extinct. With the introduction of "Age Spells" in "Magic Duel", spells that can alter the age of the target but can only be cast by the most powerful of casters, Princess Celestia and Princess Luna's immortality may not even be inherent but the product of repeated self-cast Age Spells (which would also explain Luna's difference in appearance between her first and second appearance).
- This is further complicated by the presence of Princess Cadance. Is she also a Physical Goddess? We are told that she is the niece of Princess Celestia, but she couldn't be Luna's child. Luna spent the last thousand years in the moon. So who are her parents? Is she also immortal, and will she outlive her husband Shining Armor? Does she even have a blood relation to the Royal Pony Sisters? (It should be noted that Cadance was originally conceived as a unicorn but made an alicorn because of Executive Meddling.) Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell expanded on Princess Cadence's backstory and where she came from: It is revealed that Cadence was originally an orphaned pegasus that was adopted by an earth pony village. A Wicked Witch by the name of Prismia attacked the village by draining all their love for each other. Cadence somehow defeated her and was magically transported to the same "interstice" that Twilight went to when she completed Starswirl's unfinished spell. She met Princess Celestia there and was turned into an alicorn, adopted by Celestia, and made a princess herself. Whether this is canon or not is up in the air right now, but this is the closest thing to a backstory she has so far.
- Then Twilight became an alicorn, also making her a princess, bringing another whole host of questions. Do all alicorns "earn" their ascension this way? If so, how did the other three do so? Can it be given as some sort of reward or a Enlightenment Superpower? Is Twilight now immortal? And if she is, is this a way to give Celestia some more company for her eternal life?
The first is a very minor background character with only two scenes and seconds of screentime. This sounds more like WMG or O.C. Stand-in as ACI seems misused for one too minor to have primary character interpretation for fanon to deviate from. The second is Fanon/speculation over how alicorns work in the setting and backstory. These seem misused as ACI as they have nothing to do with characterization or character motives/actions.
Thoughts?
openDid I do something wrong aside from bad grammar?
I am a bit paranoid about being reported for a minor thing such as bad grammar because I didn't check it before I send it. Not surprising, Michael did report me for bad grammar
. I did admit I should have go to the get help with English forum in the first place but I sometimes didn't either because people might take a while to responds or I thought my examples are good enough. So I want you guys to check my edit history if I did something wrong aside from bad grammar because I believe you guys can help me improve myself. I really don't want to be suspended for my mistakes from the past and I'm sorry for what I did. Thank you.
openUse of Filler on work pages? Live Action TV
I'm adding the trope Filler to work pages, but would this sort of thing be OK for usage:
- Filler: Due to its high episode count of 22 episodes, this show has some episodes that tend to be standalone and not focusing on the story arc, and it's been one of the show's major criticisms. However, some episodes that seem like filler actually are relevant later; but in general, there are episodes which don't add much to the wider Story Arc of the season itself.
To avoid trope misuse - Square Peg, Round Trope - what would qualify as filler?
I've added this to series like Grey's Anatomy, Supergirl (2015) and The Blacklist but want to avoid square peg, round trope.
Also, would the trope qualify for that administrivia page?
If anyone could help I'd be grateful for any advice.
openGeneral rule of thumb for providing context for adaptations?
What is the generally accepted practice when it comes to providing context to trope examples of an adaptation that has deviated from its source material just enough to warrant a separate page? Is it preferred that an editor divorce from their knowledge of the source entirely while writing out context, or to use a bit of it with some measure of discretion?
Some context as to why I bring this up: There's God Eater 1 (the source) and God Eater (the adaptation), which covers only about a sixth of the original's narrative and takes notable liberties with the events it does cover as well as some of its worldbuilding. Enough to be considered its own take, if anything. In the latter, the last episode has a few Sequel Hooks which allude to storyline events that occur afterward to appeal for a second season that probably won't come in the foreseeable future and/or needle the viewers into buying the game to see what happens next. A few trope examples revolving around these hooks have been written from the perspective of someone who's either only seen the adaptation and is going only by the information provided within, or was going with the aforementioned "divorce from the source" approach. I was tempted to edit to correct any speculation that's objectively wrong or otherwise add in further details as someone familiar with the original game, before I stopped myself and began wondering whether or not I even should since they both have their own pages.
Edited by BakazukiopenVideo examples for Let's Player without a page? Videogame
I have a potential video example I want to upload, but it's from a Let's Play by HawkZombie
, who doesn't have a page here. His channel isn't very big yet (he has 359 subscribers right now), and I don't know enough about him to start a page for him.
What's the best way to handle this? Is it okay to only use the game itself as the video source? Can I link to the original video, or the player's channel, in the description?
It has to be from this Let's Play because the trope depends on the player's reaction.
Edited by DrNoPumaopenZero-context example? Western Animation
So this example caught my attention on the YMMV subpage for VeggieTales:
- Seasonal Rot: A show about talking vegetables was bound to succumb to this. Phil stated in a podcast that he noticed that the post-Jonah episodes aren't as successful (in terms of selling) as the older ones, and speculates how it's probably how the media reacts nowadays.
I think it might be a Zero-Context Example, since you'd expect the example to explain what in the show itself is demonstrating the seasonal rot. How the media reacts to it doesn't seem like it should be the explanation here. So, would it be a zero-context example?
openMore custom titling kerfuffles
Colon Cancer was recently custom titled to be self demonstrating. While this is somewhat amusing, it also renders the title nonsensical and isn't even an actual example of the trope since there's only one colon, not at least two (and there can't be more colons without breaking the words up, of course). We discussed this a bit here
already. I personally think it should be changed back; do I have permission to do that?
openWebcomic page wiped by creator Webcomic
It seems that we have one of these situations again: Gerbil1
wiped pretty much everything on the The Misadventures Of Gerbil main page and YMMV page. The main page edit had the following edit reason:
As author of this page (and the original comic), this was a mistake. The comic itself has long been wiped from the internet. I'd prefer not to have my name associated with it any longer.
For the record, the link that was on the page does not appear to work any longer, but I haven't done anything past that to see if it still exists in some fashion.

So I was looking through the Comicbook section of SelfDemonstrating.Character Pages and I noticed that Deadman and Lobo are the only pages that don't actually have work pages. They need to be de-self demonstrated. I haven't read the comics myself so i cant do the work myself. What does everyone else think?