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openMinimal-effort work page.
The Atomic Time of Monsters seems to be a page for a Kaiju story of some description. I'm not clear on further details because, as can be seen there, the page's contents consist only of a picture and the phrase "This Page is under-development by one person please be patient". It has been worked on by only one editor, Drago491, and has not been edited since June. The page's url also wasn't capitalized properly.
Normally I'd simply say to cut it, but the associated character page has work put into it — the grammar and formatting both have problems and there are several ZCEs, but those are all issues that can be rectified fairly easily assuming some work is put into them. That by itself makes me think that there's probably value in trying to salvage the page instead of just cutting it altogether.
I'm not wholly familiar with the site's policy in this matters, so I thought I'd look for some feedback. What should be done here? The original editor (who I'll contact once I'm finished writing this) obviously has enthusiasm for creating pages, which I think we shouldn't discourage, but evidently something needs to be done to bring the page up to wiki standards.
openHow do I create an Awesome Music page? Anime
(Apologies for the wall of text, TL;DR will be provided.)
Being a musician and fan of music (particularly OSTs), Awesome Music pages are my favorite thing to view on this site. However, I was disappointed to find that Dr. Stone had no Awesome Music page to speak of. I've been tempted to make it myself, but the reason why I enjoy visiting this site is to hear how other people describe things. If the majority of a page is written by me, it defeats the purpose and ceases being fun. With that aside, I've accepted that there are times when I must be that person for others, as opposed to the inverse.
Anyway, here's what I'm struggling with. Since I'm still relatively new to editing on the site, navigating the rules, forums, and resources is painfully difficult. I've searched numerous times for instructions or guidelines on how to create an Awesome Music page, but have come up empty-handed. When clicking "Create New" on the Main for Dr. Stone, there's no option for Awesome Music.
I can think of a few reasons as to why I haven't figured this out yet. One, I'm stupid and the answer is staring me in the face. Or two, I've been looking in all the wrong places. Knowing me, the former seems to be the most likely scenario.
TL;DR: I'm a newbie idiot, so I need help figuring out how to start an Awesome Music page for Dr. Stone.
Edited by Nexyopenweird redirect thing
I'm not sure this is the right forum to ask this, but a few times today, I've been on TV Tropes, only for my browser to automatically redirect me to a "virus scan" website (not always the same one). Obviously not legit. What's weird is that it's only happening on TV Tropes, and I ran a virus scan on my PC (using the software I actually bought, not the sketchy websites) and nothing came up.
Is this happening to anyone else? I'm wondering if something's up with the site itself or if it's just my computer.
openCan I add a page to the No Real Life Examples?
I'd like to add the Conspicuous Consumption to the Gossip and Stereotypes page and delete the 'Real Life' section for the former. I certainly think it fits; the real life section is little more than a list of so-and-so celebrity owns a super-duper big mansion, or owns a super-duper big yacht, or a gold plated toilet, or such-and-such silly product exists.
Can I do this by myself, or do I need to go through some process first?
openAudience Reactions and Let's Players
I was reading the YMMV page for Game Grumps and noticed that several examples describe how one of the show's hosts reacted to another work. It strikes me as a bit odd, since I expected the article to describe Audience Reactions to Game Grumps itself. Could someone please clarify whether YMMV pages can be used to document the Let's Player's opinions? Thanks.
openYMMV page for Yashahime: Princess Half-Demon Anime
May I ask if a mod can look over the YMMV page for this series? For the last several months there has been an editing war going on there that I have participated in. I’m not going to make excuses for myself, but my goal in the edits has been to promote factual information about this series. However I was personally called out by Lancelot 07 in an edit on October 7th, which to me sounded like a threat against me making further edits. At this point I feel a mod needs to step in. I’m not going to make any further edits on this page, and if it’s felt that my conduct has been against website rules I will accept that. But I believe there needs to be intervention at this point.
openSpoiler policy for fanfics
When troping fanfics, how should we treat spoilers for things that happened in canon? Do we treat them as, well, spoilers? Or do we assume that whoever is reading the page is familiar with whatever media the fanfic is for and thus only hide spoilers for the fanfic itself?
openToo YMMV for Main?
Main.Temporarily Exaggerated Trait
- Spike, who's normally the Straight Man and The Reliable One who's somewhat immature and selfish, tends to become obliviously stupid and incompetent, or obnoxiously selfish in focus episodes like "Spike at Your Service" and "Princess Spike". This trend is responsible for Spike episodes being stereotyped as dead on arrival (with both of those episodes almost unanimously landing on worst episodes lists, often with one of them in the #1 slot).
The last part I'm thinking should be removed as YMMV on a non-YMMV trope. Any objections? And on the tropic is there any circumstances audience reaction are allowed under non-YMMV?
openCritical Role Unfortunate Implications edit
So, there was this edit on the main UI page regarding one of Critical Role's recent campaigns: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.UnfortunateImplications#edit32437068
The person making the edit claims that the poster is the only one who has this complaint, but there's a whole ass Kotaku article about it: https://kotaku.com/critical-role-marquet-third-campaign-asian-cultures-col-1848500055
I don't know if it still falls under UI since CR isn't actually racist or anything (I personally don't see any issue with their campaign), but there was a legitimate controversy. CR themselves actually had to issue a statement. Maybe rewording it to make it more neutral or simply transferring it to the work itself under Broken Base?
openTrope deletions off music creator page
Lord Gro and I have had an amiable PM discussion on a particular topic, though we haven't reached an agreement, and I'd like to bring the matter up for broader discussion. There is a forum thread
here which may apply, but it hasn't be active for a couple weeks now. If the discussion should be moved to the moribund thread, let me know.
This involves the troper's deletions from Creator pages, specifically Johannes Brahms, in which almost all the tropes were cut. I can understand some of the removals, as they referenced Brahms's personal life with no mention of his music or career. Some however involved Brahms's musical career, which I'm not in favor of. Specific examples:
- Eccentric Mentor: Brahms had one in the form of Robert Schumann, although Schumann wasn't so much eccentric as mentally ill, eventually committing himself to a mental hospital after a series of suicide attempts and dying there at the age of 46.
- Flame War: The conflict between Brahms' supporters and Wagner's was a 19th Century version, including over-the-top magazine articles insulting and condemning the other side.
- Mentor Archetype: While on the jury of a composing competition, he saw great promise in a young man named Antonin Dvorak, and arranged a meeting between Dvorak and his own publisher.
- Sacrificed Basic Skill For Awesome Training: Brahms was a professional musician from early youth and it's fair to say that constant hours of playing the piano meant that he wasn't always the most charming and polite person in the room.
- Worthy Opponent: For Brahms it was Richard Wagner, although it's more that their respective fanbases considered each to be the Arch Enemy of the other. Brahms actually liked and admired a lot of Wagner's music, even though he disliked Wagner's cult of personality; Wagner did not exactly return the compliment, but he did send Brahms a copy of Das Rheingold.
Lord Gro's position is based on this page
and this passage was cited from there in the deletion note: "Please resist the urge to apply character tropes to Real Life people."
This is a more restrictive implementation of the approach than I'm comfortable with.
Thoughts:
- there's a possibility that one (or more) of the entries above may cross the line on this issue, but the deletion reason should be different. Okay by me if so. The Sacrificed Basic Skill for Awesome Training example may fall into this category. It's also possible one or more of these veers towards ZCE territory, which I'm happy to try and fix.
- the passage "Resist the urge" is not synonymous with "This is forbidden."
- this approach only leaves the narrow possibility of troping works and nothing else instead of (in this case) music-career-based non-subjective issues, which I would argue are fair game. Without going into detail, that concept was conveyed to me in our PM discussion as to what should be done.
- I'm not clear on what the policy is regarding including Trivia-oriented entries for Creators. Should they be put in at all, and if so, do these go on the main pages or somewhere else? This may involve other cut entries besides the five listed above.
- perhaps a minor point but worth mentioning. Having the approach applied this strictly can result in stripping the Creator pages clean, leading other tropers to delete the pages under the mistaken idea that all pages with few or no tropes should be cutlisted. I've seen examples of this kind of thinking before at the site.
My wish is to reinstate the entries in the first folder. It might not technically be an edit war if I do, but I don't want to do this ill-advisedly.
Thanks!
Edited by BoltDMCopenCharacter sympathy in Superman and Lois Live Action TV
I deleted the Unintentionally Sympathetic entries, which included Jordan and Lois, from the YMMV page of Superman & Lois because I personally believe that they are meant to be sympathetic in their respective situations.
- Jordan is treated as unreasonable for being upset that his girlfriend Sarah kissed someone else, but he has the right to be angry that he was cheated on.
- Lois is seen to be in the wrong for not reporting that Lucy had a vision in line with what Ally preaches, treating it like she only shared the parts of the story that would let her go after Ally. Considering that Lucy supposedly had said vision after a drug overdose that nearly killed her it makes perfect sense that Lois didn't say anything about it. Reporting that her sister had a genuine vision of another version of herself, which near anyone would think would be a result of the drugs or the near death experience, would have seen Lois laughed out of the room by any editor. Not helping are the other stunts Lucy pulls in the scene, like blaming Lois for their mom leaving and revealing she's pulled this at Ally's behest, which makes it look less that she's bothered by Lois' supposedly hypocritical journalistic integrity and more that she's interested in getting back at her sister out of resentment over completely imagined slights.
Lois' example is pretty self-explanatory, but I think Jordan's needs to be elaborated on a bit further. I've watched the show and I don't see Jordan being that angry over Sarah's cheating. Yes, he was upset and mildly betrayed, but he was later consumed by guilt that Sarah was honest with him, while he can't tell her that he has superpowers. In fact, he wants to tell her because he admires her for her bravery and honesty (I'm paraphrasing), but Clark tells him not to because the secret isn't actually Jordan's to share. Jordan's brother and Natalie Irons even compare Jordan and Sarah's secrets, which strikes me as a false equivalance for the reason I've stated above. One secret is simply infidelity, while the other could put an entire family, maybe 2, in danger. This could be Informed Wrongness or something.
But still, I want to know what you guys think.
open Split Award Bait Song?
I think we're getting a lot of scope drift here. Quickly going through the examples, I see the following major categories:
- Dreaming songs that are actually performed by the film cast within the film. Especially prevalent in Pre-Renaissance Disney films. A lot of these got award nominations, but they weren't "award bait" in the same sense as...
- Romantic ballad covers of songs within the film. Here's where Peabo Bryson and his ilk live. This is what I think the original intention of this trope was. The only pre-Disney Renaissance example I can think of off the top of my head is "Somewhere Out There" from An American Tail.
- Parodies of the Award-Bait Song formula.
- Real singers performing within the movie itself. Disney's Tarzan comes to mind. Not Award-baity in my opinion, just producers afraid of doing a real musical.
- Singles written specifically to win awards with no connection to a film soundtrack (i.e. the "Music" section). All of this is a different trope entirely.
- Songs for stage musicals should be a different page altogether.
- As should the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and other live performances that aren't traditional concerts.
TLDR; "Won an award" does not mean "award bait." "Main song in a musical" does not mean "award bait."
In my opinion we need a cleanup and split into two pages: "A pop cover of a song within the movie" and "singles written specifically to abuse a formula and win an award, usually for nonmusicals."
Award-Bait Song would probably be the latter, with "Romantic Ballad Cover" or similar for the former.
openMinor edit war and fact-checking issue Live Action TV
The live-action Halo series has released to mixed reviews from fans and critics, so naturally the YMMV page has some entries about the quality of the production. One entry under Special Effects Failure, though, stood out to me as potentially inaccurate, added by Commissar Cain:
- Also in the first episode, Kai shoots an Elite at point-blank range with a plasma pistol. In the following shot, she tosses down what is clearly an unpainted foam or plastic prop, complete with visible mold line.
Now I won't question that it is an example of special effects failure since the prop is visibly different between shots (there's a similar scene where they use a really bad 3D model of a rifle instead of actually throwing the relevant prop on the ground, so it's something of a trend). However looking at the scene in question I wasn't certain that the prop was actually unpainted, and removed that particular part of the entry with the following edit reason:
Now that said, I will correct myself slightly by noting that this is still an inconsistency since the pistol visibly does not get blood splashed on it in the scene before, and I'll admit that it's kind of hard to tell at all even in slow-motion whether it's properly painted or not. Regardless, Commissar Cain has now edit-warred on the matter by restoring the "unpainted" comment without an edit reason.
EDIT: Here's the scene in question
, if anyone wants to take a look and give their opinion. My stance (which I fully admit may just be me seeing things) is that it's supposed to be alien blood (maybe they planned for the gun to get splashed with CGI blood while filming but it changed in post-production?); you can see her index finger and fingertips seem to be stained the same color as the second prop. You can also see that in the first shot the pistol on her hip is covered in dirt while in the second it's clean, which could suggest that this was an issue of stitching together multiple takes, during one of which the prop was covered in dirt.
openEdit War alert
Hours ago
, Crazy Luigi added lone three bullets entry to the part about Blizzcon 2018 in Presentations folder of Horrible.Video Games Other.
I sent them the indentation notifier and remove the entry since it's about the game itself, not the Blizzcon (said so in edit reason). They put it back
, at least without wrong indentaion this time.
open Trope Page Question
Recently I've been having problems trying to access the page for Ascend to a Higher Plane of Existence because my antivirus keeps blocking the connection with the warning of "URL:Phishing". But what's weird is that this is the only page on the entire site that it does that for, and I'm not sure if it's just my antivirus making a false positive or is there is something going on with that specific page itself.
openAbout an Edit Reversion Videogame
I was recently sent a warning about example indentation regarding an entry
in VindicatedByHistory.Video Games. Now, I don't disagree with the warning — I actually did make a mistake regarding what I was supposed to do indenting-wise — but since the entry was deleted wholesale, I'm not sure whether re-editing it while fixing the issues would qualify as edit warring.
The edit reason also mentions that a pothole to Condemned by History was misused, which I don't particularly agree with. At the time of its release, if I'm not mistaken, Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U did have a sizable fanbase (including Tournament Play, albeit never as big of a scene as Melee had), and Brawl (which the entry was about) was forgotten by casual players for a while until the release of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate made for 3DS and Wii U's faults stand out in retrospect, rather than being "reviled from day one" like the edit reason says. Am I misremembering?
PS: I'm sorry for being a serial tweaker. I keep second-guessing myself.
Edited by LendriMujinaopenCan I add a folder here?
H. P. Lovecraft features a really long list of basically everything he ever wrote in the description section (description itself is also pretty long, but that's its own thing to look at). I was going to change the header to a folder, but I noticed there was an index tag there when I went in to edit the page. Is it okay to still add the folder in, or will that break something?
openDream Episode
I have a question regarding the trope itself. This involves the Video Games section of the trope in question. Does this apply to a franchise as a whole? Like say, Super Mario Bros. 2 and Sonic Shuffle primarily takes place in a dream world. Or perhaps some licensed games such as Mickey's Ultimate Challenge or Bugs Bunny in Double Trouble. Do these qualify as "Dream Episodes" if we're considering franchises as a whole?
Edited by HarmonyBunny2000

So, on Shipping Tropes someone added this note to the part about Incest Yay Shipping:
The thing is the description of the trope and the index itself says that these are for romantic pairings, and I can't think of why this note is necessary as to my knowledge there is no "Family Ship" trope. Am I the only one? Is there a better place to have brought this?
Edited by Bullman