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openDeliberatre misindentation
Guiletheme misindented when adding an example in EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.Real Life, I fixed the issue and sent them an Indentation notifier. Next time I blink the eyes, they re-add the misindentation and then add another misindented example. See for yourself
openFlanderization cleanup?
Is there any forum entry to fix Flanderization entries? I noticed that multiple entries are less about flanderization itself, but adaptations. For example, "Oh yeah, Shadow was totally flanderized"... except he wasn't, this is a different interpretation of the character.
This is also a question how exactly flanderization works in adaptations like anime filler, since there is no source material to adapt for the writers.
This is also a problem I have with Character Exaggeration, as the difference between both appears to be blurry.
Edited by TomodachiopenUndertale cleanup page Videogame
I want to discuss something that's about a general cleanup page for potentially every Undertale page. Specifically, I want to remove lines in articles where the tropers themselves refer the players who do the Genocide route a Complete Monster, or something similar to that, without it being an example of when the game itself is trying to make the player feel like a Complete Monster.
openCreator's page redirected from Troper's page
So the troper Kelothan had recently decided to make a TLP draft on which they revealed their intention to quit the site. Out of curiosity I looked at their troper's page...but it redirects to a "creators" page for themself, making it much harder to actually see their edits. Since they've left, should this be cutlisted? I don't think it's kosher in the first place to have your troper's page redirect to something else.
openStraight Gay doesn't sound right
Straight Gay just sound Oxymoronic when the trope itself is about having non stereotypical gay traits. And the picture itself doesn't do a good job as well.
Edited by WhirlRXopenTroper with grammar issues
InsanePryomanic's
edits demonstrate questionable grammar, as seen in pages like Characters.YuGiOh VRAINS
.
Sent a notifier, but for the time being, can I please get a revert on the edit for that page? (EDIT: made the changes myself already)
Edited by Tenma-YuukiopenEdit War on Far From Home page
The following example from has been edited, added and deleted numerous times:
- Protagonist-Centered Morality: When HYDRA deploys a flying superweapon with the ability to invade individual privacy on a global scale and execute anyone on Earth at any time with no appeal or oversight in Captain America The Winter Soldier, they must be stopped because they are fascist monsters. When Tony Stark does the exact same thing, he posthumously proclaims himself a hero for it, and no-one contradicts him.
It was even discussed on the forums
. Since it got deleted again, I took the liberty to create a discussion on the movie subpage and PMed all tropers involved. If anyone else is willing to join in, please reply there:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Film.SpiderManFarFromHome
openSparkle Sparkle Sparkle Western Animation
From YMMV.Moana:
- Moana may be secretly a fan of The Nostalgia Critic (or Thomas And The Magic Railroad), as revealed by her scene in Tamatoa's cave when she's trying to get the crab's attention.note The Critic himself had to quell rumors that this was a direct reference by pointing out that Rob and Doug Walker have been fairly consistent credits in Disney movies since the pair were children.
Moana: "Sparkle, sparkle, sparkle..."
- Moana may be secretly a fan of The Nostalgia Critic (or Thomas And The Magic Railroad), as revealed by her scene in Tamatoa's cave when she's trying to get the crab's attention.note The Critic himself had to quell rumors that this was a direct reference by pointing out that Rob and Doug Walker have been fairly consistent credits in Disney movies since the pair were children.
Since Doug Walker a)didn't invent this phrase, and b)lobbied at least one hypocritical complaint against Moana, would anyone mind if I removed any reference to him from this entry, if not the whole thing?
openNew page when another work has same name and media type
There are two wonderful webcomics both named White Noise. One
has been documented on here (and actually helpfully provides a link out to the other comic's site in it's description), but I'd like to know how to go about making a page for the other comic.
I've read a little bit about how it's best to make a disambiguation page (so that Webcomic/WhiteNoise
would then list both works), rename/move the older page to distinguish it (is author's last name the best identifier for webcomics?), and make a page for the other comic with the different identifier. What order should this be done in so I don't eff it up? How do you change all of the subpages as well? Can I somehow do this myself, or does a mod need to do the page move?
Also, there is already a disambiguation page for Main/WhiteNoise
- are there any concerns about works being present on more than one disambiguation page? (I assume not, but want to conform to conventions if possible.)
Migrated to Chloe Jessica!
openPerma-locked pages that should be cut
i was looking at Locked Pages and i saw several pages that aren't permitted to exist by current site rules. im going to list them here.
- YMMV.Reddit - YMMV page for a website
- YMMV.Lily Orchard - YMMV page for a creator
- YMMV.The Red Pill - YMMV page for a website
- YMMV.Tumblr - YMMV page for a website
i think the proper thing to do is to cutlist them and request their removal from the Locked Pages page, which is itself locked. can a locked page be cutlisted without moderator permission?
Edited by razorrozar7openEntry from "Murphy's Bullet" that I think Really Should Be Removed
Found this in Murphy's Bullet, and, well, just look at it yourself:
"- Subverted in the Battle of Mogadishu (as seen in Black Hawk Down), where the sheer massive amounts of gunfire directed at the US troops largely missed as a result of not even bothering to aim (or sometimes even looking). It was the few trained militia, taking the time to aim well, that actually hit the US troopers. — Reports from the battlefield generally support the assertion that Third World soldiers have almost no comprehension of marksmanship - those that do tend to have been taught by Western advisors. Even American performance is degenerating as our forces fill up with videogame players instead of squirrel hunters."
Honestly, I do not believe that Real Life should even have any Subversions and Aversions at all, and the second entry is just bad.
openDark Fic
The description to Dark Fic contains the lines "If the series was already dramatic and dark, it shouldn't really be here (e.g. it's impossible to make a dark fic of The Walking Dead unless you really take it to another level)." So, what's the criteria for this? For example, these examples from the Main page are from already dark series:
- Death Note:
- Death Note isn't exactly a cheerful story to begin with, but The Faceless explores the Fridge Horror of having a realm of Death Gods feeding off human lifespans all the time and what happens when humans learn this. They begin killing each other because of it, resulting in a Post Apocalyptic World of Nihilism.
- A Madman's Circus
is a Death Note Fusion Fic with Vocoloid's Dark Woods Circus where Beyond Birthday runs a Circus of Fear. Poor, poor Light Yagami...
- Neon Genesis Evangelion fandom might be collectively the crowning champion of this trope. The series was the poster boy for darkness to begin with, but amongst fans known for analysing everything down to the smallest detail the ability to tease out the smallest aspect and expand upon every twisted meaning or interpretation is phenomenal. A far from comprehensive list:
- Random1377
is another prolific NGE darkfic author, with entries such as The Lifespan of a Love Affair
(a deconstruction of the Misato/Shinji pairing), Let She Who is Without Sin
(about a Serial Killer), and Aoi
(includes Shinji being killed in the first chapter, and falls apart from there).
- Scar Tissue is also a good one: Asuka blames her scars and death in canon on Shinji and punishes him by subjecting him to constant emotional, physical and sexual torture, and Shinji takes it all because he thinks he deserves it after defiling her and leaving her die right before ending humanity. Meanwhile Shinji's low self-esteem and self-hatred has become a split personality tortures him in the form of hallucinations. And that's only the backstory; the fic itself begins after Asuka beating him so brutally that he has to be taken to the hospital and she finally realizes her actions have been horrible. On the other hand, the fic inverts the usual darkfic formula in that it starts off dark and gets progressively lighter.
- Random1377
openpage needs cleanup
The description on Page Three Stunna needs a lot of cleanup, it's full of natter.
Yes, the description itself.
openInvoked YMMV Videogame
SasquatchX added this to Characters.Super Smash Bros Ultimate 70 To 75 in the Hero's folder:
- Germans Love David Hasselhoff: Invoked Trope, as the inclusion of Eight among the playables is this. Sakurai makes mention in his interview regarding the acquisition of the Heroes of Eight's status being the one that western audiences are most likely going to recognize.
This isn't proper use of Invoked Trope isn't it? Using it for YMMV items is for when said item occurs within the narrative itself, not when it is used as a reason from Word of God for including something within a work.
Edited by homogenizedopenjppiper Western Animation
jppiper added a non-capitalized, non-punctuated, speculative example to Steven Universe: The Movie, and then spent multiple more edits trying to Wiki Word Time Skip. After the example was rightfully removed, they posted on the discussion page
, still with the problems of their example, this time with an added self-censoring of the swear "fucking".
Page history
and Troper history
.
openI have a “just for fun” idea: Blue & Orange Wiki
I was thinking we have a death wiki, a sugar wiki, and a neutral wiki (which does need more love as we only have boil the Aesop I think on their), but what about a Blue & Orange Wiki. It’s not bad, it’s not good, it’s just strange. If people say I can create it (or if someone else does), I will dedicate quite a bit of time to make it look thorough and decent even in the starting stages. Some ideas I have for it may be inspired by the death/sugar/neutral wiki respectively. Examples include:
The page image could be a popular stoic character (doesn’t matter if they’re good, evil, neutral), shown laughing and covered with blue and orange clothing/suit/hair/etc.
Character Derailment Service: similar to the villain whitewashing service or paint the hero black service, but instead of focusing on just hero and villains and good and evenly, this page could serve to make dumb characters seem smart, Unhelpful NP Cs/Incompetent Characters/lousy sidekicks seem like they save the world, lazy characters seem like they’re diligent, etc. and vice versa using fridge logic.
Bizzaro That Aesop-twisting works that have a pretty clear aesop(regardless of whether it’s good or bad)/no aesop, and twist it into something completely nonsensical. It doesn’t matter where the actual aesop nor the bizarroed aesop starts and ends on the scale of good and evil (ex. the actual aesop can lean toward lawful good and the bizzaroed aesop can be chaotic good/beau real or evil,), as the point isn’t to make bad Aesops good, the reverse, or simplify Aesop’s, but instead it’s somewhat but not quite an inversion or boil the aesop(except while boil the Aesop’s goal is to make any aesop make sense, this would be to make any aesop seem well bizarre.
Epic Big Lipped Alligator Moments-self explanatory mostly.
Ad of Whuuut?: a bizzaro version of the ad of win/lose page, but ads featured here aren’t epically good or epically bad/yikes, but just plain bizarre.
That Cloudcuckoolander Troper-similar to that one troper and that other troper, but this troper isn’t good nor bad, and usually follows rules(though they might interpret them wrong by accident), and sometimes accidentally drifts into conversation on the main page (not on purpose like that one troper does though).
I probably will brainstorm a few more ideas but I’ve typed so much you guys might get tired.
I know that while we can start to create a works page without asking for it to be approved, we cannot create a new tropes page without going to the trope approving site, but idk about the rule of creating just for fun pages/wikis
Edited by Tvtroper8238openDo we have a general Netflix thread somewhere?
I know we have the Netflix animation thread
, but do we have one for the live-action properties, or even just a thread about the company?
And before you ask, search is still borked. I'd look it up myself if I could.
openPage split: Characters.SentinelsOfTheMultiverseVillains feedback
- Link: Characters.Sentinels Of The Multiverse Villains
- Discussion: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Characters.SentinelsOfTheMultiverseVillains#comment-121611
So there's a bit of dispute over how this page split should be done, you can see the debate between Spectral Time and myself on the Discussion page. It's currently listed alphabetically, and I just feel like there should be subcategorization, because there's 30+ folders, and depending on how the franchise develops beyond the original card game, there could potentially be more to come.
I think there are a few somewhat natural break points — the original game was divided into expansions, and in the mechanics of the card game some of the villains are fought on their own with their own minions while others are fought as part of a team of other villains. Some villains have decks for both, but the latter only appear in the second-to-last two expansions. Similarly, OblivAeon and his Scions are fought as a kind of massive Final Boss for the game as a whole, and have some very different rules as well. And then there are Nemeses, which are one-off cards which appear in other team villains' decks but don't have decks of their own so far (and aren't likely to get them, as the card game is officially complete at this time).
Spectral Time doesn't like the above ideas, as he thinks they require readers to possess additional information. I feel like it's just the opposite, though — it's information we're giving them, not information they need to have in advance. There were two other editors who had voted to split by expansion, but I felt like maybe it would be better to put this to ATT and get some more opinions/suggestions and then put it to a vote of sorts.
So the suggestions so far:
- Leave the page in alphabetical order
- Reorganize the page by expansion
- Move the team villains, nemeses, and OblivAeon to their own page, leaving the solo villains sorted alphabetically
- Some combination/variation of the above
Spectral is not necessarily in favour of alphabetical order but hasn't liked any of the other ideas so far. Any other suggestions or ideas based on how other Characters pages do it are welcome. Thanks for your help. Please feel free to ask for clarification.
Edited by UnsungopenDistrict 9 Complete Monster entry
The YMMV.District 9 page lists under Complete Monster:
- Obesandjo, The Evil Cripple wheelchair bound leader of the Nigerian gangsters, sets up his racket in District 9 and distributes cat food to the aliens, which is like a drug that keeps them hooked. He also operates "interspecies prostitution" rings, offering the prawns human women. The worst, however, is when he has innocent aliens butchered, so he can eat their flesh and gain their power. When he captures Wikus, he fully plans to cut off his Prawn parts and eat them himself.
As far as I can tell, the character being disabled is not relevant to the story. Can that part be removed?

So, what's the correct way to use punctuation marks inside quotes?
This: Alice said, "Hello world."
Or this: Alice said, "Hello world".
Some use the former (I think it's the American style), while others, myself included, use the latter (European style).
Is there a wiki-wide rule about quotes, or if it's "first come first served", like spelling? Furthermore, is it okay to change one form for the other?
Edited by RoundRobin