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openTechnical question
A while ago I decided to exhume an old TLP, Fantastic Display Jar
, that got nuked for unclear reasons. I brought this up in the Trope Idea Sounding Board and feedback was positive. The main question I have is that I'm not particularly clear on how to actually... un-nuke this. The TLP history doesn't go that far back and the draft itself doesn't have a "relaunch" button. Is there some way to revive this or should I just move the contents to a fresh draft?
openFandom rivalry discussion
Hello. I recently deleted the following examples of Fandom Rivalry and Friendly Fandoms from DC Animated Movie Universe.
- Fandom Rivalry: A minor example with the Tomorrowverse, considering that most fans of the DCAMU are fans of DC's animated films in general, but some DCAMU fans have expressed disappointment that the franchise ended not long after Growing the Beard as they feel there were more stories this franchise could tell. In contrast fans of Tomorrowverse feel that the DCAMU only had a few genuinely good films, with the rest either being mediocre at best or boring at worst, while the new Shared Universe is a breath of fresh air that doesn't limit itself to one specific era of DC's history as well as having a reduced focus on Batman (who appeared in the first eight DCAMU films while five films in the Tomorrowverse has only used him for his two-parter).
- Friendly Fandoms:
- After the release of Justice League Dark: Apokolips War fans of this franchise have bonded with fans of the early Darker and Edgier DC Extended Universe movies, particularly those directed by Zack Snyder. A number of these fans have praised Apokolips War as the closest thing they'll likely get to Snyder's original five-film arc (which was Cut Short due to the financial underperformance of Snyder's films relative to their massive budgets).
- Since most fans grew up watching the DCAU it's unsurprising that the two fandoms get along. Most of the DCAU fans see the DCAMU as a more mature alternative to their own fandom now that they are all adults.
- Despite the above mentioned Fandom Rivalry with the Tomorrowverse, there are DCAMU fans who either enjoy both for their differences, or hope that the Tomorrowverse is the post-Apokolips War timeline that could continue the story of the DCAMU.
My argument is that those are not separate fandoms. It's literally DC fans disagreeing over which films based on the same property are good or bad.
brightfan99, who added the examples, has contacted me via PM and argues that DC should be seen as a cluster of smaller fandoms. As an example, they mentioned how fans of the Christopher Reeve Superman don't like the Henry Cavill version and vice-versa.
Requesting other tropers' opinions to settle this discussion.
openRude Troper
I recently sent The Worst Amy a stock ZCE notifier over an edit
they made to the newly-launched Significant White Hair, Dark Skin and they accused me in a DM of being a no-lifer over it. The name itself seems familiar, and I suspect this is not the first time they've gotten nasty at people over routine etiquette checks.
openDo show creators read TV Tropes?
More of a general question, but I wonder if creators/filmmakers/artists/what-have-you read the TV Tropes pages about their works. I'm asking this because someone found out that copyrighted documents were on the Work It Out Wombats! page and they were deleted "(per request from show creator)" according to the edit reason. Also, the YMMV page for Molly of Denali mentions how the show's hatedom accused it of being a ripoff of Wild Kratts, then the two shows did a crossover episode. The WMG page has the theory that Oscar will grow up to be a lynx-themed superhero, then they made an episode where Oscar draws himself as 'Lynx Boy.'
I think this proves that at least some creators read TV Tropes, but we don't know for sure.
EDIT: I have more evidence. The YMMV page mentions that the character of Kenji is popular with the ladies. In season 3 of Molly, he got Demoted to Extra, probably because the show runners were weirded out by his fangirls.
Edited by sudrictoonopenCreators Pest examples?
Back in Dec 2021, Dracoblade deleted these Creator's Pest examples (in folder due to sheer number/leangth) citing "The trope is creators not liking a character they wrote, not fan fic writers deliberately writing a character badly because they didn't like them. That's a different trope. Likewise, rewriting a scene or season like how it should have gone goes under Fix Fic, not here."
- Total Drama:
- Second Chance at Love
- Sierra, Duncan, and Alejandro are among the author's most despised TD characters; they're also the only three to not hook up with anyone or receive a happy ending. Cody's rant against Sierra in Chapter 2 and Leshawna's beatdown of both Alejandro and Duncan in Chapter 4 are more or less expressions of the author's hatred of them.
- Neither author is a fan of the Duncan/Courtney ship, due to both of them being in the camp that views their relationship as too toxic and abusive. Duncan more or less expresses the authors' views, saying that he has permanently lost interest in Courtney and will never return to her due to having become fed up with her behavior.
- Total Drama Legends: The author of the story has a deep hatred for Sierra, which likely explains how her continued obsession with Cody leads him to no longer view her as a friend, her early elimination, and her devolution into Feral Sierra.
- Total Shuffled Island Series: The author really hated Dave. His negative traits were accentuated, and all of his positive characteristics were removed. He is utterly useless in the challenges while being obnoxious to his teammates, with Mike the one he treats the worst. He is entitled to dating Sky and refuses to listen to her; ultimately, he was voted off with Sky telling him off. The author herself even admitted to hating Dave and admitted she made him worse here than he was in the show.
- Rufus T. Serenity has also stated that he hates the canonical version of Total Drama World Tour (and to a lesser extent, Total Drama Action), with his dislike for the seasons being a significant influence on the numerous major differences existing in the story's timeline.
- Both writers of Total Drama All-Stars Rewrite rank Cody as their least favorite character, which likely explains his Adaptational Jerkass qualities and Butt-Monkey moments during the Aftermath. Courtney and Lightning are also strongly disliked by the authors, which has a bit to do with why the other characters give Courtney No Sympathy for being cheated on back in World Tour (although she does later get a redemption) while Lightning is more or less hated by the entire cast (Lindsay even outright tells him he was annoying).
- Second Chance at Love
- The Many Dates of Danny Fenton
- Two authors of the other The Many Dates of Danny Fenton stories have a negative view of Sam Manson and Tucker Foley.
- NeoMark has stated many times that he dislike Sam as a character and, to a lesser extent Tucker. And feel their role in the story should be downplayed in favor of other characters. At the beginning of After Many Dates: Danny and Kim numbered characters commented on how Kim Possible was more pretty than Sam and how they like Kim better than Sam. Downplayed as NeoMark realizes that he went too far and tried to show their positive traits, but also reduced their role in the story in favor of the other heroes. In NeoMark other stories, he has been shown trying to balance Sam and Tucker's positive and negative traits and when they suffer bad luck for their actions to when they get a lucky break as a reward for doing the right thing.
- Played Straight with Luiz4200. You can tell by his writing that he really hates Sam and Tucker. He put the two of them through a lot, having Sam and Tucker caught sneaking into Alex's house. Both were grounded, with Sam's parents cutting her off and forcing her to get a job. When she confessed her feelings for Danny, he rejected her outright. Luiz4200 went to go so far as to have Tucker not pursue a relationship with Velma Dinkley in TMDDF: Danny Chooses Alex After the Many Dates so that Tucker can still be humiliation in flirting with other girls. Later downplayed in Luiz4200 other stories were Sam and Tucker don't suffer as much as bad luck as in TMDDF: Danny Chooses Alex After the Many Dates, with Sam and Tucker even getting a few lucky breaks in that story like Danny forgiving Sam and Tucker meeting Velma Dinkley in college and getting together with her.
- Most of the authors do not have the fondest opinions of Family Guy and American Dad!, given how its characters are mocked, harmed, arrested, and even killed and brought back to life before getting a life sentence in them. Notably, unlike the other characters the other authors dislike, these characters were never shown with either redeeming traits or getting good fortune.
- Two authors of the other The Many Dates of Danny Fenton stories have a negative view of Sam Manson and Tucker Foley.
- Codex Equus
- Chrysalis from canon. BrutalityInc had admitted on multiple occasions to utterly loath her as a character, to the point he himself believes his hatred reaches irrational levels. These reasons stems seeing her as having completely failed to live up to her supposed cred as a master manipulator and The Chessmaster in canon by constantly making VERY idiotic mistakes, her lack of depth as a character beyond being a ruthless, sociopathic, power-hungry tyrant, yet despite all her failings she nevertheless always being able to somehow come close to winning on too many occasions even when she has no rights, which BrutalityInc believes is mostly due to sheer dumb luck, Plot Armour or the heroes opposing her, in his eyes, being EVEN MORE inept and idiotic than she is. He has gone on record saying that the utterly inept Chrysalis portrayed in "The Mean Six" episode more or less summarizes exactly what he think of her. Nevertheless, out of respect for other writers and readers who liked her, he has tone down his bashing of her and given her credit where it's really due (e.g. legitimately defeating Cadence, an Alicorn, off-screen), as well as leaving the question of her competence ambiguous and open for the readers to decide both in-universe and out.
- BrutalityInc has also hinted he wrote the Changeling Court entries, which massively expands the Changelings from canon into a civilization that is much, MUCH larger and deeper than Chrysalis and her hive partly because he doesn't want a legitimately interesting race/culture with much story potential to be tainted by association with her. That's right, the creation of a significant part of the Codexverse is most likely motivated, in part, out of BrutalityInc's dislike for Chrysalis. And given Codex Equus BEGAN with the Changeling Courts entries, it's not inconceivable to think the entire thing wouldn't had got off the ground if he didn't despise her, his enmity serving as the foundation that the monument of creativity which is the Codexverse would be built upon.
- BrutalityInc also apparently have a thing against Card Carrying Villains who do things For the Evulz in general, disliking their lack of depth and/or disturbed by their characterization. Whenever he creates one - and he RARELY does - they always come off as stupid, insane, or otherwise pitiful, and those that either came from canon or are inspired by Evil-reveling Card-Carrying Villains from other sources, such as Cosmos, Temnobog and Surtr are written or rewritten to flesh out their personalities and motivations, either to make them deeply sympathetic or just to make them better villains. Otherwise, the absolute best a Card-Carrying Villain For the Evulz character can expect in entries written by BrutalityInc himself is probably a snide in-universe comment on their antics. He has admitted in the comments section of their entries that his entries on Temnobog and Surtr are done partly to experiment in making Card-Carrying Villains that are actually interesting. Temnobog in particular is designed specifically to subvert conventional character archetypes by making him a 'good' guy despite still being completely, unapologetically evil.
- Chrysalis from canon. BrutalityInc had admitted on multiple occasions to utterly loath her as a character, to the point he himself believes his hatred reaches irrational levels. These reasons stems seeing her as having completely failed to live up to her supposed cred as a master manipulator and The Chessmaster in canon by constantly making VERY idiotic mistakes, her lack of depth as a character beyond being a ruthless, sociopathic, power-hungry tyrant, yet despite all her failings she nevertheless always being able to somehow come close to winning on too many occasions even when she has no rights, which BrutalityInc believes is mostly due to sheer dumb luck, Plot Armour or the heroes opposing her, in his eyes, being EVEN MORE inept and idiotic than she is. He has gone on record saying that the utterly inept Chrysalis portrayed in "The Mean Six" episode more or less summarizes exactly what he think of her. Nevertheless, out of respect for other writers and readers who liked her, he has tone down his bashing of her and given her credit where it's really due (e.g. legitimately defeating Cadence, an Alicorn, off-screen), as well as leaving the question of her competence ambiguous and open for the readers to decide both in-universe and out.
- Infinity Train: Blossoming Trail
- Goh's an interesting case, since Goh himself isn't the problem: rather, it's the way the anime puts more focus on him than Chloe, treats his main traits as good things without seeing the flaws, and the bucket list of unintentional Double Standard regarding him and Chloe that's the issue. To give you an idea, Episode 29 was Chloe's second focus episode and neither she and Goh have a meaningful conversation until Episode 49.
- A more straightforward example would be Yeardley: his whole "my life's a work in progress" line brought the entire story into existence, as the author points out how much Double Standard he gets when he can give an open-ended answer while Chloe is harassed by everyone else about her career choices (more specifically, she follows her father's footsteps), and his counterpart here is turned into a mysoginistic bully that always gets what's coming to him by karma.
- Professor Cerise also gets the brunt of the author's anger because, at the time the story was written, it was easy to mistake the professor as being negligent on Chloe (and he doesn't start encouraging her until Episode 31). It gets to the point that the story tries to paint him treating Ash and Goh like they were his sons, despite them being his workers.
- Grace Monroe and Simon Laurent are also this to the author. On numerous occasions, the author has stated that while she likes how they are written, she hates both of them for the damage they caused and can't forgive them for their actions, which becomes much more apparent as the writing then goes to take any sympathetic traits they had and either changes them, gives them a darker twist, or outright remove them, all in the name of making them into arrogant sociopaths who only care about destruction. She states in Voyage of Wisteria that Grace got a slap on the wrist for everything she did and how the ending of Book 3 tried to sweep away most of the problems she made (particularly Grace doesn't bring up how they have been unintentionally hurting denizens for their amusement) and that Simon pretty much lost all chances of redemption after he murdered Tuba.
- Cross mentions in Cherry Prince and Princess a dislike of Parker shared with much of the readership. Orange Rose Gathering expands on this: Cross considers Parker the character he hates the most with a reason, the character he hates most for a petty reason is Hop, and while he doesn't hate her he does consider Mallow the verse's biggest idiot who made everything worse.
- The author of Ruby and Nora, BurningCinders, has stated that they don't have a high opinion of Atlas. As a result, various characters from that kingdom are given unflattering depictions.
- Jackie Chan Adventures: Olympian Journey: The authors make it perfectly clear in Chapter 15 that they don't like Drew at all, making a point of insulting him in the author's notes, having multiple other characters insult him within the story, and setting him up as an Arc Villain (via Aphrodite's essence), only to reveal that he's just a lackey.
- The author of The New Adventures of Invader Zim is very well known for his dislike of Gaz, due to viewing her as a one-dimensional and self-centered misanthrope, hence why she's made such a Hate Sink in this story. Though that said, he's also admitted that due to her canonical Character Development in the movie that came out since the story was first started, he's begun to have a more nuanced view of her and regrets writing her in such a way.
- The author of Code Prime said in an author’s note that the character he hated the most was Suzaku, due to his Black-and-White Insanity and his Never My Fault attitude, especially because of how he refused to take responsibility for the death of his father. For this, almost everyone in the cast from both Code Geass and Transformers: Prime, constantly call him out on it. Despite that, the author chose to fix Suzaku’s character arc rather than mercilessly thrash him around like a ragdoll.
- The author of Rainbow's Mental Scars
, greendogtheater
, has stated in the comment section that Fluttershy is his least favorite member of the Mane 6.
- The author of Another Side Sporting Hopefuls has admitted to not liking Byakuya Togami for his Smug Snake behavior, which "might" explain why not only his personality is made more blatant to the point of racism, but also why he becomes the first victim.
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
- The author of Danganronpa: In Harmony's Wake admits that she dislikes Timber Spruce. Unlike Flash Sentry, who she initially disliked for similar reasons but grew to enjoy, Timber Spruce just came off as skeevy for his interest in Sci-Twi, an under-aged client of his, believing he used his position of authority to bully her into being interested in him, and sees their relationship to be bad writing. So, that's why Timber became the first blackened of the story, and was shown to have made many stupid mistakes while carrying out his murder of Wallflower Blush, which eventually got him caught and brutally executed.
- The author of The Flash Sentry Chronicles has made it clear that when he adapts My Little Pony: Equestria Girls – Legend of Everfree (his least-favorite Equestria Girls movie) for the series, he plans to fix the "mistake" the film caused with the Ship Tease between Sci-Twi and Timber Spruce, admitting that he absolutely cannot stand Timber Spruce for getting in the way of Twilight and Flash (his favorite ship). In the actual story, Timber is depicted as a Jerkass who acts like a cool guy in front of all the campers, but he is actually self-centered and purposely tries to steal Sci-Twi away from Flash. Sci-Twi loses all her interest in him when he insults Flash to her face.
- The author of Highschool Dragon named Svengallop, Spoiled Rich and Prince Blueblood as his top 3 least-favorite characters which explains the latter's Adaptational Jerkass and The Mole in the fic.
- The author of Spike's Gambit really loves to crap all over Twilight Sparkle throughout the story. He goes out of his way to both villainize and victimize the poor girl at every chance he gets. He made a blog (Which has been deleted sometime ago) of how much he despised the character.
- The author of the The Savior King, the Master Tactician and the Queen of Liberation has made it no secret that she despises Edelgard, due to her inability to see other people's perspectives, her prejudices against the Nebateans, and of her refusal to take responsibility for her and her "allies" actions both in story, and in the Crimson Flower route. She did admit to feeling sorry about her when Odesse beat the shit out of Edelgard, and admitted that the scene was hard to write though.
The issue is there are many non-fanwork examples of writers inheriting characters from the series they didn't care for and bashing them. I asked here
and here
but got no consensus or feedback on what to do. Several of the Creators Pest entries or similar are still under the fanworks Trivia pages.
I intend to add back the entries (save those just about not liking characters in the original as opposed to how it effect how the fics author writes them) as, while I agree this should be something more than authors bashing character they don't like, I see nothing suggesting it's misuse as it's currently defined and have heard nothing on it being misuse despite repeatedly asking. (If it should be changed is for a cleanup.) Any objections to adding back or should the Trivia page examples be cut as well?
openInformedWrongness back/forth/MoralLuck?
This was added to YMMV.The Last Jedi.
- Informed Wrongness: Poe is also treated as being wrong, reckless and foolish for leading the unauthorised mission to destroy the Dreadnought at the beginning of the movie. Although we see that Resistance casualties were heavy, they were still significantly better than the likes of the attack on the first Death Star in A New Hope. What's more, Poe is shown to be right when the First Order fleet catches up to the Raddus: if Poe and his team hadn't destroyed it, the Dreadnought would have wiped out the Resistance then and there. And yet Vice Admiral Holdo still treats Poe as wrong, reckless and foolish for destroying the Dreadnought even after the First Order fleet catches up to them.
This has been heavily debated, more points for both sides raised than can be summed up here, and removed prior. My thoughts is it's misuse as that wasn't the reason Poe went through with the attack that might have had zero casualties if called off, and it was only due to hyperspace tracking that was unforeseeable and thought impossible that he was proven "right" through luck.
Maybe IW applies due to this being the same kind of poor planning/Hollywood Tactics that was normal and overlooked as bad for the series prior making Poe's condemnation for it seem unfair. It’s likely why this is so ongoingly contentious.
Might Moral Luck apply? My belief is that it only should apply in international/self-aware moments, but I've seen it used for unintentional examples as complaining redundant with Unintentionally Sympathetic/Unsympathetic. Cleanup argued against putting ML under the Writing Pitfall Index so use as a complaint/unintentional examples seem misuse.
open Russian translation
Hello, dear tropers, I'm kinda a noob on this website. In short, I have a school project, which is a big pain in the ass for me(and not only for me), and so as the theme for this project i choosed a translation of TV Tropes into russian language. If you care about that, I don't support russian invasion in Ukraine and, in fact, I myself am from Ukraine. The problem is that, if I properly understood forum pages, you can make an article in russian, but you can't use russian letters in links(UR Ls). What i suggest(albeit I'm not the first one who suggests this) is making links(UR Ls) in translit or of the form like /Ru/(page name in english)(rus).Aren't there any problems with that? Would be glad to see any explanations. I don't really have much choice. If it's not possible to post those translated articles on TV Tropes, i just could post them in the free share. It's just that it would be uglier cause many articles here also contain subpages like "YMMV", "Laconic", "Self-Demonstration" etc. I know it's not good to ask so, but it would be better if i get replies ASAP because first deadline is coming soon. See y'all later
openDuplicate page
I'm not sure if this would be better suited for the Copy/Paste thread, since it's a copy/paste of content within TV Tropes itself, but the description for WebAnimation.Cupcakes Sergeant Sprinkles as well as the majority of the trope examples, page quote and image caption are almost word-for-word copies of those on the page for the fanfiction it's based on, changed just enough to reflect that it's talking about the video rather than the fic. Is there anything that should be done about this?
openThe Slender Man Mythos cleanup
During the discussion for misuse and debatable use
of Slender Man Stand In, there was an idea from Warjay about the cleanup for Franchise.The Slender Man Mythos. I would like to bring this up due to the "nature" of the page in question, as not only is the page simply collecting media related to the Slender Man (regardless of their canon story) but the page is simply stating how broad and unique the universe is despite being otherwise.
Suggestions would be welcome if a possible cleanup is worth it (and if the Slenderman himself is worth keeping in the wiki).
openPunctuation issue
Brian KT just made an edit (on a page that consistently puts periods and commas inside the final quotation mark), that moved a period outside the last quotation mark without doing anything else. My understanding is that this isn’t supposed to occur (first come, first served on style) so I’ve reverted the edit and sent a notifier.
Page edit history here
.
Troper edit history here
.
I don’t think I was the troper who added the example in the first place (it would have been long ago, if so), but am posting here to cover myself in case I did.
openQuestion about moving a work page
So I brought up here
that the page for Supermarioglitchy4's Super Mario 64 Bloopers contains a very outdated name. The series hasn't called itself that since March 18th, 2017
. Since then, it's called itself "SMG4", and in War of the Fat Italians 2021, it was established that "SMG4" doesn't stand for SuperMarioGlitchy4 but instead SuperMemeGuardian4. Should the page be renamed?
openBounds of tropable material
I had some questions regarding what information is considered part of an official work for the purposes of troping.
I'm aware of how the basic guidelines work: examples need to draw from information present in a released work, while stuff that the author mentions elsewhere is considered Trivia and should be listed under Trivia entries such as Word of God, Author's Saving Throw, and the like. I am wondering precisely where the line is drawn.
For specific reference, I am looking at a Deviantart webcomic, so the "boundaries" there are a little loose by definition. There's the comic itself
, and that's obviously the work proper. The author also includes a few images describing additional lore and worldbuilding that don't appear in the comic itself, which are kept in a subfolder of the comic's main gallery
. I am not confident on whether this stuff would be considered part of the work, and thus tropable under the aegis of All There in the Manual or something like that, or Trivia.
openPage copied from website
The Fantasy Novelists Exam's contents are copied from the website itself, with various potholes added. I brought it up on the copy/paste cleanup thread, but didn't get an answer there on what to do with it.
My view is that since the site says the content is copyrighted and there's no indication we got special permission to reproduce it the way we did the Evil Overlord List, the page needs to either be rewritten to trope it normally, or cutlisted. Thoughts?
openGlass Onion Author Tract example Film
Recently, I added this particular example on Glass Onion YMMV page because I personally thought it's fitting, but not everyone may think so as well, so I thought it should be a YMMV example:
- Author Tract: Miles Bron's description of his fellow "Disruptors" as the ones who influence society by constantly breaking status quos, starting from things people wanted to break all along to things so beloved that nobody wants them to break, could be interpreted as Johnson's tract on his own filmmaking style, which has a tendency to subvert traditional narrative conventions in favor of something new even if it generates controversy in the process. This is especially more relevant when one considers the case of Star Wars: Episode VIII — The Last Jedi, a film directed by Johnson that subverts many expectations and conventions of the Star Wars universe to the point that it created an uproar among the fanbase, which still has lasting effects to the series and Johnson's own reputation to this day.
Then another troper AyyItsMidnight
deleted it by reasoning that it's not a YMMV trope, so I was wondering if this example could be added somewhere else? Or is it not applicable at all? I personally thought that the whole scene with Miles Bron explaining about "Disruptors" is quite reflective of Rian Johnson himself and his directing style, even if it's not the intended effect. Rian often breaks trends and conventions simply because he could, and that one time he caused a large rift in the Star Wars fandom with The Last Jedi that still has lasting effects today, so I thought the example applies in this case.
openWhen to know a page needs cleanup? Web Original
I've been looking over the page for Hamsters Paradise, as I've been following that particular work, and it seems to me that it could use a little help. Mostly in the grammar department, maybe with the spoiler tagging as well (At the moment it's just the stuff related to the original sketches that spoilered, though it's a little inconsistent. I'm also wondering if it's worth spoilering entries related to the Harmster and Baywulf sagas since they're a little heavier on plot details than the rest of the work).
At the same time, I'm not entirely sure if the issues are great enough that it needs a Cleanup topic, or any discussion at all as opposed to just fixing it myself. Is there a good way to know where to draw the line?
openConcerns Regarding HardTruthAesop - Bojack Horseman
I have many concerns regarding the "Aesop's" described in https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HardTruthAesop/BoJackHorseman
. There's a lot of info that could be seen a disparaging to people with mental illness, and perpetuates some opinions on the subject that I personally find offensive. Granted I am fairly emotional about the topic lately, so if I am overreacting please let me know.
The ones regarding suicide in particular are pretty hot-button and could potentially bring up traumatic memories for people (it did for me). The entries do not seem to recognize or even acknowledge that people who are suicidal are not making a decision. Intervention is important, and although I agree that no one should feel obligated to be someone's support, I also don't think we should be encouraging people to abandon their loved ones when they have a suicide attempt. Not that I think that's the intention of this sentiment, but I do see it becoming more common recently as a push back against supporting people with mental illness.
Also, (digression) I personally find this to be a pretty negative Double Standard. I highly doubt a character with a physical illness would be given as much blame for putting stress on others because of their illness. I wonder if there's a better way to explain this without putting blame on mentally ill people, because that's kinda what it feels like. Like by putting more focus on self-care, instead of implicitly criticizing people for attempting suicide.
openFetishFuel EditWar
I'm self-reporting a slip-up on my part.
On Headscratchers.The Boys 2019, Flash Steps added an entry that troped Fetish Fuel, but it was talking about characters having "in-universe Fetish Fuel". Since in-universe examples are supposed to refer to Fetish, I corrected the link on the 18th with an edit reason explaining that in-universe examples refer to fetish.
I was page surfing today when I noticed the Fetish Fuel pothole, corrected it, and sent a notifier to Flash Steps about which one to use when it's in-universe before recognising which page I was on. I scrolled too fast through the history page and missed both of our previous edits. That carelessness is entirely my fault. On a second look at the history page, I found the previous edits, realised they'd undone my edit and that I'd made things worse by undoing that one.
I've therefore reverted the entry back to Flash Steps' most recent edit and am reporting the pair of us here.
Edited by WyldchyldopenPotential misuse of UnfortunateImplications
I found this edit on the Live-Action TV page for What An Idiot:
- Season 8 of the American version of The Amazing Race provided a rare funny example. The season was an experiment with family teams of four rather than teams of two of different relationships. The only non-white family was a black family whose surname happened to be, well, Black. Cue the Cringe Comedy of them always being called "the Black family" both by the other teams and by the show itself. They were the first team eliminated, so at least the unintentional hilarity didn't last.
Should it be removed, given that it doesn't credit an offical and professional source?
open Draco in Leather Pants misuse
I've noticed a lot of DILP entries that don't really make the case that fans are downplaying a villain's crimes, but instead act like merely liking or defending the villain at all qualifies as the trope, even if fans still acknowledge that they're the villain. These entries often make aspersions on the work's fandom, or read like this: "[Character] gets this a lot from fans, but this ignores the fact that they [list of the villain's crimes]." Some of these entries also come off as sexist, such as this one:
- The Dark Knight Trilogy: The Joker and the Scarecrow/Jonathan Crane seem to get this a lot in fanfiction for the Nolanverse Batman films. Leave it to crazed fangirls to pick two of the most evil characters in a series that actually has several sympathetic (or in the case of the ordinary mobsters, at least normal) villains to crush on.
It also doesn't help that the trope page itself seems to attribute the trope to fans finding the villain physically attractive, and states (without citing any evidence) that it's mostly fangirls who invoke the trope. I'm starting to think it might be better if this trope was limited to specific fanon examples, similar to what was done with Ron the Death Eater. Thoughts?
Edited by Javertshark13

I've been cleaning the Funny.RWBY page of Moments misuse (specifically: scene summaries, character reactions and using quotes as examples). Because I was cleaning up Moments misuse, and not removing audience reaction examples, I didn't check the History page first. I've received a PM pointing out that I've edit warred on the page.
After double-checking the page history, that's correct; I have.
The Volume 9 entries were originally added
by cybertoy0. I removed
them as part of a larger clean-up of the page for being summaries, character reactions and quotes instead of examples. He added some of them back
, and I removed them
for the same reason, also as part of the clean-up I was continuing to do today.
That was stupid of me, and I know better, but the damage is done.
Edited by Wyldchyld