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openStrike Witches YMMV page Anime
Just noticed that the broken base section of strike witches has a massive paragraph that, to my knowledge, belongs in base breaking character and also has a ton of natter. I genuinely think it should be cleaned up. The section I refer to is:
However as far as Hikari goes their has been some occasional disengagements of wither she is an actually good, fleshed out character in her own right that is distinct from Yoshika or if she's just "Yoshika 2.0" (the latter group seems to have mostly died off post release of Brave Witches and even even those few hold outs are as visible and seem to not have sufficient thesis to back such claims up). An additional point of contention with fans is wither Yoshika herself actually is or isn't a Mary Sue. Those who argue she isn't is due to the fact that while Yoshika's magic powers are of greater potential then average; they were unrefined and untrained and Yoshika was faced with sufficient challenges and had to work hard to improve her control of her magic and training as air infantry to become as competent and then as badass as the rest of the 501st, as well as the fact that nothing about Yoshika's magic was not outside of the the ordinary or expected of witches magic in the series. Those who claim she is a Mary Sue argue more to her idealistic personality and the fact her magic returned to her by the end of the movie; however the former tends to be a rather dubious argument and a counterargument to the latter is that witches are known to experience draining of their magical stamina whenever they exert themselves and their magic and thus require time to recuperate with food,water and rest and only older witches seem to experience various degrees of magical entropy or outright loss; and given that at the end of Season 2 Yoshika was still in her prime magically speaking and used a magical sword technique that she barely had enough proper sword training for and how no real magical training done for; it caused her to do the magical equivalent of pulling a muscle and needed a much longer period of time to recover the magical stamina, and likely didn't have a chance to test her magic recovery by the time movie came around until the very end in a serious crisis situation and feeling the inspired desire to fly with her friends again.
Edited by RAHDRONopenBanned user BornOfSelf is back for... how many goddamn times has this been?
Which Doobie UB is, judging by the edits, another bornofself account, and based on the posting timeframe, this was a clear sleeper account for whenever they got one banned. Someone wanna nuke this one from orbit?
openAndTheFandomRejoiced / KidIcarus
I intend to cut AndTheFandomRejoiced.Kid Icarus since the only correct example (others were not pre-release announcements so misused) is the announcement of the game itself, which is covered under AndTheFandomRejoiced.Nintendo.
Any objections?
For future reference is there a dedicated thread for discussing page cuts?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenTropesInPinballGames mess of an index
Tropes in Pinball Games is listed as an index, but the page itself is some weird hybrid of simple tropes for that index and multi-bullet-point examples.
Since the entire page is marked as an index, it all gets pulled onto the same index.
So for example, there's actual intentional tropes like Pinball Scoring followed by a Creator Page (Gottlieb) and all throughout the article there's examples of a trope occurring within a work, so that work gets indexed as well (so there's tons of actual Pinball work pages on the index like Shrek).
How would we disentangle this? Just chop/merge all those secondary bullet points?
Edited by DarkarosopenLighter and Softer
Its laconic page say "An adaptation which is much lighter in tone than its source material." which sound like the trope is exclusively about adaption. But the trope page itself say that "This can either happen to a show over time[...]" which suggest that it can happen in single work.
So which one is right? If it's indeed adaption-exclusive trope, then I'm afraid that we have massive clean up task waiting.
openLinking on the Wiki to Archives of Cut Pages
I'm not sure about whether this is kosher or not (or addressed in policy somewhere), so I'm bringing it here.
Augusto added an archive link to Rational Wiki that leads to an archive of our old Conservapedia page. (Courtesy Links: Rational Wiki history,
archived page,
and Augusto's history
)
The page was cut via the Website clean-up project (link to the call to cut
).
I would think that this is circumventing the cut.
To be clear, I'm saying that:
- A page was cut via consensus of the websites clean-up thread.
- The page was archived.
(Not itself an issue, imo.)
- The archive is linked to on this Wiki, despite this Wiki having consensus to cut the page.
- This seems to be equivalent to restoring the page, since it's available through a page on the Wiki proper. (Hence my saying it seems to "circumvent the cut.")
idk what do y'all think. Is that kosher or otherwise okay?
Edited by WaterBlapopenMeta WMG
There is this long WMG added by Excelsior123 to the Teen Titans Go page
that looks more like it is theorising about Cartoon Network than the show itself. Should it be removed?
open A lot of issues with the most recent edits on ShipTease/AnimeAndManga. Anime
I have noticed that there are a lot of issues with the most recent edits in Anime & Manga of the Ship Tease page, based on its History
, specifically with the most recent edits for Naruto and One Piece. There are very long-winded entries, non-neutral wording employed, adding information that has long since been firmly denied by the original creators themselves, showing shipping bias towards ships that aren't canon and against ships that are canon, grammar issues, not ending the entries on a clear definitive concluding note, and overall initiating an Edit War.
The reason why this all concerns me is because *I* displayed those very same issues myself before I got banned, and now that I know everything that I did wrong, I feel that these edits really do show everything that I just explained, the things I had problems with previously. These most recent edits display the problems as shown in these Administrivia articles: Sink Hole, Conversation in the Main Page, Righting Great Wrongs, Word Cruft, How to Write an Example, Edit Reasons and Why You Should Use Them, and Handling Spoilers.
Personally, I want to revert those edits back to how they were originally written most recently before they got ruined, because those previous edits didn't add excessive information that really didn't need to be added. All of those previous edits didn't display any shipping bias or at least showed as little as possible, gave evidence to back up what was written, and each entry ended on a clear definitive concluding note. However, I don't know how to do that without causing an Edit War myself. How would I go about reverting all of those edits back and explaining that "I am reverting back to the original edits because the most recent edits caused an Edit War and showed a lot of problems that violated proper editing etiquette," in a concise neutral Edit Reason, without causing an Edit War?
Please know that I am not trying to pick a fight, and this is the first time I'm using Ask The Tropers, so I'm not completely familiar with ATT just yet. However, I do know that asking for this troper to be banned is not the right answer, and that is not what I am asking anyways. My main point is, I just noticed that the most recent edits done by that troper showed those very same problems that I myself had before I got banned, and because those are big warning signs that I did not know about until I got banned, those edits need to be dealt with or fixed/reverted as a result.
Lastly, as a side note, I still see links to scanlations in that trope page. Those need to be deleted because links to scanlations are not permitted. They are illegal and therefore need to be deleted. I plan on getting rid of those myself, though, since I made that same mistake myself and am in the process of getting rid of all the links I've ever inserted, so the main issues I have with the edits in this page (issues which I wrote about above) are what I'm more focused on here.
Edited by mouschilightopenPossible Edit War
The troper Solfeggietto vandalising the Arrowverse Characters page in the Iris West entry, and this isn't the first time they've done it. After Barry proposed to Iris during the third season, they deleted anything that referenced Iris being intelligent, a part of Team Flash, nice, or being loved by Barry, and replaced them with lies (you'll have to click on the history of the page to see this) and a LOT of subjective opinion. I put them back and asked them not to use subjective opinion. A few weeks ago, they did the same thing, but again, I changed it back by pointing to examples on the show. The user has just done it once more, again without real justification and ignoring the show and the narrative itself. It's clear that for whatever reason they don't like Iris because they're ignoring examples that are on the show. I don't want to start an edit war and I've contacted them privately to see if they want to discuss it (they haven't responded yet), but I wanted to ask whether I should do anything else? I didn't put the example back because I feel we'd just get into an argument, but they're using the page incorrectly.
EDIT: here's the page
. Also, I apologise if I ALREADY contributed to the Edit War, and I'm fine if need to be suspended for it. I just want the page to be used correctly and I was aware that I was close to making the problem worse.
openMoving the Dark Matter TV series and its subpages Live Action TV
Just bugs me: why was the Dark Matter TV series moved, and not in its entirety? The WMG, dedicated entirely to the series (as opposed to the neglected RPG system) was left with the old name, and the move itself happened last weekend.
openPossibly an edit war
On YMMV.Metroid Samus Returns, Waxing Name added an invalid Broken Base entry to it despite the game only just coming out. Ymir deleted it because of this, but then Waxing readded it with the reasoning that "Ridley does come out of nowhere", giving the impression that he's just speaking for himself.
The history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.MetroidSamusReturns
openDifficulty Figuring Out a Trope Web Original
I have an entry I want to add to In Spite of a Nail but I wasn't sure it counted, due to having a bit of an Entry Pimp habit when it's a series I like a lot, so I'm trying to get it vetted. I haven't had any luck in Trope Talk, either with the Is This an Example Thread or a dedicated thread
on the matter, so I thought I'd try here.
I've only gotten one response on the matter, from Fighteer
, who said that the two worlds/timelines involved seemed to different than was normally allowed under the trope. The question I've been pondering since is, isn't that the point? My understanding of the trope is that despite the differences involved between two universes or real life and the fictional setting, certain significant events still occur more or less the same? I've gone through a few versions, but this is the most recent version of the entry.
Any and all help is appreciated.
- In the Red Panda Adventures episode "The World Next Door" and its Sequel Episode, "A Dish Best Served Cold" a time traveler from an Alternate Timeline's World War II named Baboon McSmoothie convinces the Depression era Red Panda to help him steal the prototype of an invention that would one day become a major part of the Nazi war effort by offering him the case file of a Villain Team-Up that killed his Red Panda's Flying Squirrel. It's noted in-universe that there are enough differences between the two worlds, such as the Red Panda's costume being different, the alternate Flying Squirrel being a teenage boy instead of an adult woman, and three out of five members of the Villain Team-Up being either Gender Flipped or having different identities entirely, that neither the Red Panda nor McSmoothie are sure how much, if any, of the file's information will be relevant. Despite these differences, the conference the prototype was to be displayed at, the Villain Team-Up, and eventually World War II itself, all occur across both timelines. The conference in particular is part of the reason the main universe was picked for McSmoothie's heist in the first place, besides avoiding a Temporal Paradox.
openExcessive bumbing?
Am I the only one who's thinking that bumping of threads has gone a bit out of hand lately? I've seen examples where threads have been bumped after just a couple of hours of inactivity.
It seems people are worried that if a thread scrolls of the page in their web browser, nobody will see it. Is this really the case? I tend to scroll down until I find a thread that hasn't changed since last I read it. And I'm sure the mods do so as well, so as not to miss any important stuff.
Am I being overly sensitive here? Perhaps, but please consider that the current frequent bumping can actually aggravate the (perceived) problem and even be self-reinforcing, because every bumped thread pushes everything else down, and then somebody will bump a thread that just went off the bottom of the page, and so on...
openThis new troper here Anime
So I got a notification on my watchlist that the Characters.Naruto Team Eight Members character page was modified. I checked it out and saw that Rich 4 (he shows up as a "NEW ACCOUNT" on my watchlist) added Dandere to Hinata's section. However, while Hinata does fit the Dandere trope based on its description and Laconic and Playing With pages, the entry itself written by Rich 4 over-exaggerates Hinata's fainting tendencies—she faints only twice in the manga a.k.a. in Canon, while she faints a lot in the anime filler which is non-canon, the Rock Lee SD spin-off which is also non-canon, and a lot of Fanfics which are, well, fanon. So Rich 4 wrote false/exaggerated information in that example.
I want to fix the entry, but I don't want to cause an Edit War. Would my fixing the entry cause an Edit War? I just want to make sure before I do anything. Any advice would be very much appreciated.
Here is Rich 4's edit history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Rich4
Here is the Characters.Naruto Team Eight Members edit history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.NarutoTeamEightMembers
openCharacter Derailment misuse
From CharacterDerailment.Film:
- Loki became somewhat of a caricature of himself in Thor: Ragnarok. Though he had chronic backstabbing disorder and an overblown need for people to worship him in previous movies, these traits were flanderized in the last Thor film. Thor's character was also somewhat derailed, though not to the same extent. Though he wasn't entirely humorless in his previous appearances, in the most recent film he was constantly joking around about things that he would have previously been a lot more serious about. Both cases of character derailment seem to have been to change the tone of the series to make it more popular.
Exaggerating character traits is not a drastic enough change to qualify for this trope to my knowledge. Misuse?
openspoiler policy violation
In the article Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, there's a violation to the spoiler policy in the Apocalypse How example, as even the name of the trope is covered. I cannot fix the issue because I'm playing the game for the first time and don't want to be spoiled myself. There is also rampant misindentation, but I can fix gthem after I finish the game if nobody else does in the meantime.
openCan this page be restored to an earlier version?
I was wondering if a mod could restore Anti Heroes to an earlier version because someone messed up the page and i cannot fix it myself for some reason.
openInappropriate Armchair Diagnoses on ST Discovery pages Live Action TV
Hi... UGH! I've been tempted to make a couple edits to the Star Trek Discovery pages... in particular the various, rather un-clinical claims that Cadet Tilly's "special needs" are "code for some form of Autism." But I thought doing so would touch off an editing war, so I'm bringing it here.
I am a veteran of 8 years in Autism services and I find these armchair diagnoses very frustrating. I don't think "Ambiguous Disorder" would be inappropriate to list on the character page or the main page in reference to Tilly, but 1) for context, it's clear her "special needs" have to do with allergies, this was estalbished in the first ep where she appears. 2) Being socially awkward in itself is NOT enough to make a clinical diagnosis of Autism. 3) I wouldn't care so much about this if it didn't come off like a bunch of amateurs offering armchair diagnosis of "Autism" based on a character who is socially awkward and sometimes blurts odd things out, and 4) if I didn't think that this contributed to a serious public misunderstanding of Autism and to problems created where persons in online subcultures relentlessly self-diagnose (and try to justify behavior they know is inappropriate by appealing to their clinically uninformed self-diagnosis.)
As someone trained to assess for and diagnose Autism, who can genuinely speak from an expert opinion on this subject, I see ZERO traits of Autism in Tilly. The armchair overdiagnosis is, no pun intended, a "symptom of a broader disease" that we in social work are trying to bring attention to: the problem of "over-medicalization" or "over-pathologization." If Tilly presented with significant sensory or communication challenges, I'd be more open to other tropers' armchair diagnoses, but there is ZERO clinical basis for the claim that Tilly "offers a more realistic portrayal of Autism" than actual intended portrayals of Autism in other media that have actually been established by "Word of God" and/or in canon, in-universe (IE Max in Parenthood), or implied much more directly by other observed behaviors (like Holtzman in the new "Ghostbusters.")
Sorry, guys, but as an expert in Autism, I don't see it. The truth about behavioral health is that lots of people can be socially awkward at times without requiring a mental health diagnosis to justify human diversity.
Can we please be more judicious about this on the Star Trek Discovery pages? For the sake of not over-pathologizing/over-medicalizing the degree to which social skills vary in human beings even without Autism? Can we PLEASE stop labeling every character in fiction who sometimes struggles with social skills as "Autistic?" Or at least acknowledge this could be YMMV and link to Useful Notes: Autism for a more clinically informed persepective/comparison?
I apologize if this strikes a nerve with Trek fans who themselves have Autism and want to believe Tilly is Autistic too because it's positive to see someone who reminds them of themselves on a Federation Starship. But that's still wishful thinking that has yet to be directly behaviorally implied or confirmed by "Word of God" and there's even a lot of evidence that Tilly is not supposed to have Autism in-universe.
Edited by FTDopenNeed Verification of Existence of Jojo Meme
On the YMMV page of Battle Tendency, I found this Memetic Mutation entry:
Ahh! Sto-sama is dead!/あーん!スト様が死んだ! : Tankobon releases of the manga used to have a section for fan-submitted art. One of the pieces chosen was of the slightly unhinged artist bawling on Straizo's chest at the end of the volume in which he dies. Likely kicked off because of the hilarious Fangirl Self Insert going on, and goes to show you that Estrogen Brigades as we know it (and the Draco in Leather Pants aspect of Fan Dumb for that matter) predate the Internet by a loooooong shot.
Nonetheless, a quick search yielded nothing, and now, I am starting to suspect that it does not actually exist.

So first thing is first: Homestuck has an epilogue now: The Homestuck Epilogues. It's important to note that these are official.
Well, Emerald141 added some really salty entries on the YMMV page, including an entry for Canon Defilement and an entry for Broken Base. I clipped off the salt, but they readded the Canon Defilement entry with this reasoning:
"My sense of betrayal is real and valid, and shared by a significant portion of the fandom. I am aware that this feeling is hardly shared by everyone; that's why it's YMMV. Please do not trivialize my emotions or the emotions of everyone else who was wounded by the epilogues. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to work through my frustration in a way that keeps myself safe."
I probably should have mentioned in my deletion the Canon Defilement is only for fan works (I mean, it's stylized like a Fan Fic, but it is official and was written by the original author), but still.
Edit: They also readded entry under CharacterDerailment.Webcomics that I deleted with the reasoning that the changes do have some justification. They readded it with the explanation:
"I am aware that there is an explanation given in-universe. I, and many others, do not believe that this explanation is appropriate or satisfactory, and it felt like a betrayal and a punch to the gut. This is a YMMV item, which means that if a significant portion of the fanbase feels the same way, it can be added. Please do not trivialize my feelings or the feelings of everyone else who feels the same."
Edited by SatoshiBakura