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open"Correcting non-binary erasure", Agenda-based or not?
Do the edits made by autwitchstic in Heroic Self-Deprecation
, Shed the Family Name
, and Half-Breed Discrimination
count as agenda-based editing?
openSnapshotOfASoul and Openness
There are a lot of problems with this page
and its accompanying Trivia and YMMV pages (ZC Es, tropes on wrong page, putting Main/ in front of all of the tropes, and editing their own YMMV page, for starters), but the creator and sole editor, SnapshotOfASoul
just seems a little too...personal.
Like on the YMMV page:
- Author Phobia:
- The director will often go out of his way to imply sexual abuse instead of overtly show it as it happens to avoid triggering himself.
Calling himself the director and it being on the wrong page aside, that doesn't seem like the kind of thing that should be on any page, Trivia or not.
Edited by ArctimonopenMeta Unfortunate Implications?
I was reading through the YMMV page for Metroid: Other M, and I found this entry under Unfortunate Implications.
- Some have accused many of the harsher complaints of
Values Dissonance towards this game as veering dangerously close to racism, especially seeing as this game's attempts at appealing to Japanese players didn't fly well over there either.
Is this type of UI okay? It's not talking about the implications from the work itself, but about fan critiques on the game. I've never seen a UI entry applied to a fandom before, and I just want to reach some sort of consensus on it. Is any meta entry all right as long as it has a citation?
Edited by chasemaddiganopenIs ElectricBlackGuy flexible enough to have Raoul of MegamanBattleNetwork as an example?
Is Electric Black Guy flexible enough to have Raoul of Mega Man Battle Network as an example? He can't make electricity himself, but has a Net Navi (Think Familiar) that controls electricity
Edited by MaladyopenRemove "Genre Box" in Text Formatting Rules?
Quick question: In Text Formatting Rules, there's a section on "Genre Box". As the section itself says, "This markup is outdated; please remove it wherever you see it."
I can't remember the last time I've seen that markup, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist anywhere on the wiki anymore. Is it fine to cut it? That page is already way too long.
openSpoilers on Fan-Fic pages
Damn it, why aren't Fanfictions a category here?
Anyways, should the pages for fanfictions spoiler-tag spoilers for the original work when they don't concern the fanfic itself?
openProblematic Entry?
On the YMMV page for Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, there's this entry, which rubs me the wrong way somehow, but I can't articulate why:
- * Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Darryl in Season 3. He decides, for no apparent reason, that he absolutely must have another child, breaking up with his boyfriend and leaving him heartbroken when he doesn't want to go along with it. Note here that it's not that Darryl is worried about never getting to experience fatherhood - he already has a daughter who he's got a great relationship with, it's just that for some reason he must have another, something the show expects us to be fully on board with. Large parts of a season otherwise devoted to serious and thought-provocing topics are wasted by making us watch Darryl angst over his non-problems. Rebecca and Heather both suffer for enabling him (in Rebecca's case, he indirectly caused the unhappy ending of the season because he didn't consider that letting a woman who was recovering from a mental illness go on hormones might not be the best idea) while he makes it all about himself at every turn. And in the end, it looks like he'll come out of it smelling like a rose and probably even get his boyfriend back, because Babies Make Everything Better.
It seems overly negative, or maybe just a too-specific take that relies on personal feelings towards kids?
openMisuse of Fridge
JackDavid has been re-adding
what I think are invalid Fridge Horror examples on this page.
As I understand it, and how the Fridge Horror page reads, the idea is it's when something horrific happened or must have happened in the background, without the work itself explicitly saying so.
Jack David's entries are what-ifs, in the vein of, "If the villain won, she would have done this." It's speculation at best, and doesn't fit the description of Fridge Horror.
I've removed his entries a couple times, and he keeps putting them back. He's seen the edit reasons for them and responded to them, so I do not think P Ming him will do anything about it.
openTrueCapitalist Radio
Should We Have This? The subject of the page is a blatant enough racist to have a gab.ai account, and the page itself can't seem to decide whether it's a bizarre parody, an ED/KF-ish hit piece on a "lolcow", or an actual, proper work page.
Edited by lee4hmzopenResistance episodes Western Animation
Hi. Not that long ago, I asked for several Star Wars Resistance recap pages to be cut as they appeared to be the wrong episode number (The Children from Tehar, Signal from Sector Six, Synara's Score, The Platform Classic). However, more recent information has come to light that the initial episode numbers were correct, and so I find myself in the awkward position of requesting that the pages be able to be recreated.
Here ([1]
, [2]
, [3]
, [4]
) are the relevant Wookieepedia articles of the episodes in question, with links to the recently released information.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openPowerup Comics
Powerup Comics is a parody webcomic that has two pages on TV Tropes: one in the Webcomic namespace that is a Self-Demonstrating Article written in the style of the comic itself, and another on Darth Wiki that's written more like what you'd expect a TV Tropes article to be.
So... shouldn't it be the other way around? The one in the main wiki giving the actual facts, and Darth Wiki hosting the joke version?
openEdit warring + Rude PM
I pulled an Ambiguous Gender example on Deltarune that I found to have flimsy reasoning behind it (heck, the example itself practically admitted that one could argue Susie was also Ambiguous Gender with the same reasoning). The troper who originally added it (Layman X) put it back without leaving an edit reason and sent me a PM that basically went "Your edit's crap, I'm adding my example back, deal with it".
openDisgust Tropes possibly needs editing.
The intro clearly states that it's about the emotion itself and not tropes that evoke the emotion, but tropes are added to it such as Nature Tinkling and Vomit Indiscretion Shot.
openThe Production Curse
kokoroanime has been repeatedly re-adding examples to The Production Curse that don't fit the trope, where actors that worked on a specific work suffer misfortune of some kind. The examples in question are for shows themselves, such as "no Mega Man cartoon ever gets off the ground" or "anime versions of western cartoons don't take off." Multiple tropers have attempted to remove it, including myself before I realized it was an issue, but they say it should stay.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.TheProductionCurse
openThe Last Day Of June
For some reason, tropes on The Last Day of June show up as being indexed, even though there's no index formatting on the page that I'm aware of. (Ironically, the game page itself isn't indexed). Glitch, or am I missing something?
It's worth noting that the page was just made on the 29th.
Edited by WarJay77
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openAbout the No Real Life Examples, Please! description
I remember seeing a few cases in the past where people have wondered whether reality TV shows should be allowed to have No Real Life Examples, Please! tropes listed on their pages. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I also believe that the official judgment from the moderation team was that reality TV shows are scripted enough to not actually count as real life, so these tropes should be allowed so long as they're limited to troping what actually happens in the show.
Shouldn't this rule be mentioned on the NRLEP page? The page isn't locked so I could add it myself, but I think the reason for that is so people can add tropes to the list rather than for them to edit the description, so I'd like to ask if that's OK first.
openComicBook/ to Characters/ cleanup Print Comic
As has been discussed many times here and on the forums, there are several character pages for the DC and Marvel universes masquerading as work pages in the Comic Book/ (or occasionally Self-Demonstrating/) namespace. Before I take this into the forums (most likely Short Term Projects), I'd like to address a few points from the last discussion and see if anyone has any major objections.
The last discussion was here
.
My official proposal is:
Change the ComicBook/ pages for characters without a series into Characters/ pages or entries on a Characters/ folder. If the character has a series, the page can remain, but it has to be about the series, not the character.
To give a few examples:
- ComicBook.Booster Gold becomes a page for his series, with his character tropes moved to Characters.Justice League International (currently a redirect to a Justice League of America subpage at the stupidly-long name of Justice League of America: Justice League International)
- Cyclops has had only a handful of title appearances: Two one-shots, a miniseries, and a solo series that we already trope at Cyclops (2014). Nothing particularly important happens in the one-shots or miniseries and every trope present is about the character and not the series, so the page can be moved outright to Characters.X Men Cyclops (with the stuff that doesn't belong on a Characters page removed.)
- The several pages for Batman villains become part of the Batman character index under Characters.Batman Rogues Gallery.
- In the interest of concision and not appearing overly unwieldy, those that get entire pages to themselves would be named something like Characters.DCU The Joker or Characters.Batman The Joker instead of some long name such as Characters.Batman Rogues Gallery The Joker.
Characters can only have one "primary" character entry, to avoid splitting their tropes across multiple pages.
- Example: Cassie Lang is a member of the Young Avengers and The Avengers, was a major character in Astonishing Ant-Man, and made a few supporting appearances in other comics. Her character tropes would go on Characters.Young Avengers, with the character pages for Avengers: 2000s Members and Astonishing Ant-Man (should it ever exist) linking there.
For Characters/ pages for specific series, the main characters can have separate entries for their appearances in only that series, but established side characters and cameos from the existing universe shouldn't have their own entries unless they have significant focus or Character Development.
- Example: Robin Series's main character is Tim/Robin, so he can have a unique entry for his characterization in only that series, separate from his entry on Characters.Robin.
If there are related series starring the same character under multiple titles and we are unwilling/unable to use either title, the ComicBook/ page can be named after the character.
This is just making what we already do official. I'm only mentioning this because of the complaints about ComicBook.Carol Danvers, which is that page's name because ComicBook.Ms Marvel and ComicBook.Captain Marvel (redirects to Main/) are both disambiguation pages and disambiguating by year would cause confusion.
Character tropes still have to move, however.
Establish pages/indexes at Characters.Marvel Villains and Characters.DCU Villains. This is a solution for the Rogues' Gallery Transplant problem, as well as introducing a place to put "universe-wide" villains such as Superboy-Prime, M.O.D.O.K., or Thanos.
openShould "motion comics" really be lumped under Limited Animation?
Title is self-explanatory: currently, Sequential Art directs anybody looking for motion comics to Limited Animation, where they are (briefly) discussed under the Comic Books folder, but I feel like that's lumping two largely separate phenomena together.
openIndvidual pages for Trails of Cold Steel games.
Ok, so I noticed that The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel page has tropes from all four of its currently available games listed altogether. I feel that this is starting to become a mess on its own, so I think each game in the Trails of Cold Steel series needs to have their own individual pages to sort out their respective tropes.
I would like to request this change for two reasons;
First, Trails of Cold Steel I was just recently re-released on the PlayStation 4 with II coming just around the corner in May. In addition, III is currently being localized and will release sometime this fall. With the amount of new releases this year, it will no doubt bring a lot of newcomers to the pages, so I think it will be really helpful for newcomers to the games if they're not confused to the jumbled mess of tropes from later games they haven't even played yet.
Second, it reduces the risk of spoiler exposure from later games. The main issue I have with the current page are its heavy spoilers from all games, especially those that are yet to be localized. I think the current setup will only discourage newcomers from actively contributing to the page (myself included), so by creating new pages, spoilers can be kept at a minimum and only exclusive to their respective games.
So what do you think? I would just use the main page to list general tropes present throughout the series while game-specific tropes can be moved to their respective pages.
Edited by DivineFlame100

I'd like some guidance on how to handle a conflict of opinion between myself and troper @King Zeal on whether the Easy Evangelism trope applies to the conversion of Nux away from Immortan Joe's cult in Mad Max: Fury Road. The order of events so far:
I'm sort of at a loss for how to proceed at this point. What I'd like to do is delete the Justifying Edit and pull the matter back to discussion (preferably here or at ITAE since the film's Discussion page quickly turned into a 1:1 back-and-forth between myself and @King Zeal) to attempt to reach some kind of consensus (potentially including a new wording of the example), but considering that the last time I did that, @King Zeal's response was to cross the line into an Edit War and filibuster rather than discuss the matter in good faith, I'd appreciate some mod guidance before doing anything at all.
Edited by HighCrate