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openUnintentional Deconstruction?
- BioShock 1 could be interpreted as a damning rebuttal to Atlas Shrugged and to the philosophies and attitudes behind Objectivism - without proper regulation, the Objectivist Gulch would become populated with Corrupt Corporate Executives and quickly turn into a Wretched Hive. Although creative lead Ken Levine has refused to comment. The whole franchise could be seen as a Deconstruction of the concept of utopia, as from what can be seen through the games, any attempt to create a perfect society is doomed from the start, as while a theoretical society can be made perfect, the people living within the society can't.
- Kung Fu Panda: Whether or not it was intentional, Tai Lung is one for the traditional Kung-Fu Hero that is exiled or imprisoned by his enemies and returns to claim what is his. The movie also deconstructs in Tai Lung's character the idea of The Chosen One, Master of All, and Roaring Rampage of Revenge. While Tai Lung was imprisoned by his father figure, it was for a good reason as Tai Lung would do anything to get the Dragon Scroll and attacked his mentor/father figure without mercy and showed he would go to extreme lengths to get what he wants. Tai Lung believed he was the chosen one due to his father figure raising him into becoming the best student from the temple. While in most Kung-Fu stories, he would be the chosen one, the nature of the Dragon Scroll renders that belief meaningless and indeed, anathema to the purpose of Kung-Fu. Being raised to crave outside validation for accomplishments was detrimental to Tai Lung's personal growth, who instead needed to look to himself rather than others. While Tai Lung was very much The Ace and a prodigy, learning 1,000 scrolls worth of techniques, he only looked to the physical and technical aspects of Kung-Fu and never focused on spiritual enlightenment or peace within himself. Lastly, while Tai Lung was let down by Shifu by not supporting Tai Lung in the ways that mattered most, and for leaving him to rot in prison for 20 years without trying to reach out to his son or helping him in a way that could have given Tai Lung a chance at redemption, Tai Lung had become so bitter and selfish that even when Shifu admits his own faults and apologizes, Tai Lung still ignores him and not only attacks Shifu but is also harming innocent people. While Shifu was at fault for some of the wrong that resulted, Tai Lung became a cold and brutal beast willing to destroy anyone and anything to get what he wanted.
I was wondering if Deconstruction, or other playing with tropes, have to be intentional. What if it's done by a writer who doesn't understand nor is trying to do it, but are trying to take a spin at it that winds up falling under such?
openNever Live It Down misuse?
NeverLiveItDown.Animated Films
- From the BIONICLE films:
- The very concept of the Turaga. Originally priest-like figures who served as village elders, leaders, guardians of old legends and secret histories, they also had abilities like limited control over elements, mask powers and staffs that doubled as tools or weapons, which helped them protect their people for a thousand years. The movies, in an effort to "humanize" the characters and simplify the franchise, took an overly literal approach to the word "elder" and portrayed Turaga as hunched-over, geriatric and nearly helpless, using their staves as walking sticks. Fridge Logic also kicks in when you realize they're not actually older than those around them, just more experienced. This portrayal even extended to the Rahaga from the third film. While weak and small compared to Toa warriors, they were meant to be very capable and agile — Turaga Vakama's original promo image even shows him sprinting. Since the movies though, Turaga were almost always seen as "elderly robots" and weaklings who avoided any action, rather than as capable but not Toa-level protectors.
- Sidorak was a capable warlord too preoccupied with conquest to realize his viceroy Roodaka was planning to betray him and that his Giant Spider troops feared rather than respected him. The film Web of Shadows, a heavily compressed adaptation of a year's worth of books and comics, focused solely on Sidorak's incompetent and clueless side, turning him into such a pathetic Memetic Loser that even the official writer himself would later adopt this portrayal and retconned Sidorak's earlier accomplishments, crediting them to Roodaka instead.
- Kiina from The Legend Reborn only yelled "Yoo-hoo!" a couple of times but fans would have you believe that's all she's ever done. The comics and books gave a completely different character to Kiina and explained away her movie behavior as merely a play she had put on because she realized her actual personality (a spiteful, short tempered and deeply cynical warrior) was insufferable. But apparently no one read the comics and books.
- Tuma from the same film went down in history as a laughably ineffective, 2nd rate villain who rivaled Sidorak in stupidity and had a giant ego with nothing to back it up, despite every other story material going way out of its way to portray him as a very competent and even somewhat relatable Tragic Villain. The film never touches on his deep backstory, showing him as a one dimensional oaf, and people only remember him for his self-given moniker of "Da mighty Tuma!"
Never Live It Down is about unfair exaggerations. If it had tangible effects/changes like described, this sounds more like Audience-Coloring Adaptation. Move?
I also asked Is this an example
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openSweeney Todd Literature
Hello! I'm someone who's familiar with Sweeney Todd despite not having seen the musical and only saw clips of the Tim Burton movie adaptation, but has found the penny dreadful the musical and film are adapted from.
However, something about one of the pages bothers me. Even though the original tale titled The String of Pearls is listed as the original source, there is no page/article regarding it by itself, if that makes sense.
Personally, as a literature enthusiast myself and someone who likes looking into stories and authors I don't know of and acquire them to read, I find it disappointing the book isn't a topic.
Is it possible to create a page/article concerning The String of Pearls, even if only to give the written story itself the credit it's due?
openFound on WesternAnimation/Driven to Suicide
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DrivenToSuicide/WesternAnimation
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
- In the episode "No Second Prances", a very distraught Trixie Lulamoon attempts to perform a dangerous magic trick involving launching herself into a manticore's mouth alone. Her assistant Starlight Glimmer would have teleported her to safety, but Starlight learned the only reason that Trixie acted nicely towards her was so that Trixie could one-up Twilight Sparkle. Even worse, when Trixie reveals that she genuinely likes Starlight, she makes the mistake of adding in that "beating Twilight Sparkle is just a bonus!", which only angers Starlight more. Thankfully, Twilight is able to convince Starlight to help Trixie just in time to make the stunt go off without a hitch. While Word of God has confirmed that Trixie going on with the show was not a suicide attempt — there are a few subtle cues in the episode that make it clear Trixie's life wasn't in danger — it was still enough for it to be a popular fanon due to Trixie's Friendless Background.
So... not driven to suicide, then.
Remove?
Migrated to Chloe Jessica!
openProblematic entry
the following entry on Funny.The Legend Of Zelda Breath Of The Wild rubs me the wrong way:
- In fact, getting the Gerudo clothes to sneak into town is hilarious in itself. For starters, the "Vai" is clearly actually a voe, but Link goes along with it for the sake of the mission. When Link is given the rather revealing outfit, he at first looks embarrassed, but after the "Vai" gives him a few compliments, he looks bashful but pleased... And then the wind blows off the "Vai"'s mask, revealing their true face, resulting in a Face Palm from Link.
note that Vai translates as woman and Voe translates as man.
this entry comes off as extremely transphobic to me. the person in question expresses exclusively as female and is never seen expressing any masculine traits. it's noted on the YMMV page that the whole sequence is controversial because of its questionable portrayal of a possibly trans individual. people can find whatever they want funny, of course; it's not like you can choose what you laugh at. but the way this is worded implies that because the person wasn't assigned female at birth, they aren't female. this strikes me as a very mean-spirited jab at non-passing trans people, and i know the wiki is better than that.
openTroper with indentation issues
DKW001 has issues with indentation, even after a notifier was sent.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.Doonesbury#edit23312205
Here's the latest violation. Note that the entry itself seems to be natter too.
openD20 System pages
In another round of "should this page be Useful Notes?", we have TabletopGame.D 20 System. This page only explains about how this game system works and contains no tropes, only an index of the actual tabletop games that use this system, so I would normally be strongly in favour of making this Useful Notes.
However, we also have TabletopGame.D 20 Modern and TabletopGame.D 20 Rebirth, and I have a sneaking suspicion there may be other pages like this as well. Unlike the above, both of these pages do contain tropes: quite a lot of them for D20 Modern, in fact. Thus, I'm actually unsure on how to handle this, since it would seem awfully inconsistent if only one gets moved and the others stay.
P.S. This is tangentially related to the query, but still pretty important. The "Select Medium" feature to the side currently doesn't contain anything for Tabletop Games, so I couldn't apply it here. Moreover, its spelling for the video games medium - "Videogame" - is considered incorrect on the wiki itself, where all the relevant pages are meant to use Video Game namespace, and pages that spell it with lower-capital g are considered accidentally miscapitalized.
Edited by NTC3openMispelling and lack of context Film
Troper markband added a rather confusing Brought Down to Badass entry in Darth Vader's character section. It reads…
- Downplayed. Before he was critically injured on Mustafar, Vader had the potential to become the strongest Force-user in the galaxy. While in Legends his injuries hobbled his force potential and his strength in the force to were he was stated to only have about 80% of the strength the emperor had, in canon Vader never lost the raw power he had in the force but was unable to use it to it's fullest given the precarious situation of being reliant on machinery to keep himself alive. Basically, Vader couldn't use some force powers like force lightning because they would obviously endanger the cybernetics keeping him alive and he couldn't use his full power because of the stress tolerances of his bionics. The emporer even called Vader's power "unparalleled" in the Dark Lord of the sith comic.
I had to correct it to…
- Downplayed. Before he was critically injured on Mustafar, Vader had the potential to become the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy. Even after, he was still able to use his Force powers and remained an effective Hero Killer and symbol of fear.
openPotential Fake Entry
Found this entry on "https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheProductionCurse
", think that it is very likely to be fake because 1) there is a playwright called Lawrence Wright but his earliest play dates to 2005 2) no evidence I can find online of a play called "On With the Show" written by a Lawrence Wright 3) Entry itself reads too much like a creepypasta anyway.
"When Lawrence Wright put his thirteenth play on the stage in 1938 titled On With The Show, he avoided prompting fear among traditionally superstitious actors by saying that it was actually his fourteenth. The fates now thwarted, he went ahead. First, the theatre burnt down and all the props were destroyed. On the replacement smaller pavilion one musician slipped and sprained his wrist while two others were rushed away with gastric troubles. A main character lost his voice while another had to have all his teeth pulled out, leaving him helpless throughout the run. A dancer was ordered to take complete rest, two members of the chorus suffered from sprained ankles and a separate dancer fell upstairs and hurt her leg. The manager collapsed one day while the wardrobe organiser fell and sprained her arm. It was then discovered that there were thirteen people in the cast, thirteen musicians in the band and thirteen songs in the show."
openHelp!
Problem fixed
Just stumbled upon Shōnen Hair, which needed some major scrubbing. Though it looks good from the editing window, the page itself...err...something went very wrong. Please help!
Edit: Please note, all I did was delete some natter and potholes, change some indentation around, and hit Shift+5 a lot. None of it should've swallowed the page...was it Data Vampires?
Edit 2: Can't be. Copy+Pasted the source into a sandbox and the same thing happened in preview. :(
Edited by WarJay77open Very Suspicous Page
Analysis.Jason And The Argonauts was just created today and... it's nothing but a rhetorical question by troper pedro. I'm aware there's already a thread
for them specifically, which just leaves the page itself. I think it definitely needs to get cut.
openWMG in Fridge
We're not allowed to put what is essentially Wild Mass Guessing on Fridge/ subpages or entries, right? Square Peg Round Trope says this is the case with respect to Fridge Brilliance, at least, but I want to make sure. Note that Fridge Horror can also be a source of this; Fridge Logic doesn't suffer from that so much as overlap with Headscratchers.
These entries are what stick out in my mind:
Fridge Horror
- One popular theory posits on whether or not Mei was most likely molested when she was younger given her mannerisms and predatory ways towards Yuzu from the beginning. This is especially made worse when in one instance of trying to offer sex towards Yuzu after she learned that her father wouldn't return to the academy, she claims that she would be gentle as that was Yuzu's "first time."
- Given how it's later revealed that Mei is mimicking the behavior of others, this further reinforces this theory. The "I'll be gentle" comment was likely said to her or something she witnessed before.
This is explicitly noted to be a theory, and the example indentation violation for the sake of natter is not helping its case. The spoiler tag, by the way, is in the page itself and was not added by me.
Under Fridge Brilliance:
- How did Carne ever develop his stand? He can only summon it if he is killed off, so how did anyone ever discover his power? Why, is possible The Boss himself discovered it. He was possibly going to kill him but Epitaph warned him of Notorious B.I.G, so he changed his mind and turned him into a member of his elite squad.
This is clearly guessing. If this was in the story, it would have probably been more explicit. Nothing in the story indicates that this happened as described. Also, Carne did manifest his ability before he died, it's just that this was seemingly overlooked before the anime adapted the relevant arc for some reason.
openYMMV.KannazukiNoMiko page... kind of overly negative? Anime
This page. I get that it's a controversial show, but why is it that it looks like being written not by a neutral party but more like the detractors hamfisting what they don't like about the show? I've already made several edits about it, but I feel like I should rewrite in a more neutral manner.
Should I? Is the page negative enough?
The main page itself looked rather old, with a lot of ZCE's (I plan on fixing that too), so I was thinking that this was why a lot of its 'negativity' (if confirmed) went unfixed. What do you think?
openWhy is this still an index?
The page TurnOfTheMillennium/ProfessionalWrestling no longer exists, having been replaced by Professional Wrestling of the 2000s . However, pages that were added to the first one still have it as an index (e.g, Mike Quackenbush). Why is TurnOfTheMilennium/ProfessionalWrestling still an index when the page itself no longer exists? Thank you.
Edited by KJTropesopenCancelling a Wikiword request Anime
I was looking at Creator.Funimation and found it odd that it was spelled properly, as I had always known it as FUNimation. I popped a wikiword request in but then looked down, actually read the page and saw it said previously known as FUNimation Productions and FUNimation Entertainment. Since I don't see any way to cancel the request myself, I wanted to post this so a mod would know it was a mistake on my part.
Edited by sgamer82openRecent Launches
I'm... not really sure what's going on here. A Family Affair is no longer on the recent launches list, despite...well, still being launched. Science Is Good just launched, but the page claims it's a cut article and the page itself is locked. This leaves One-Track-Minded Artist, which launched before both of these, now being claimed as the wiki's newest trope.
For that matter, everything launched by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93, launcher of A Family Affair is gone from the launch list.
This a glitch? Or am I just missing something?
openBatman Beyond videos Western Animation
A lot of the video examples for Batman Beyond specifically come from Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker. However, the trope page for Return of the Joker does not itself have video examples. Shouldn't the videos be attributed to Return of the Joker instead of/in addition to the main series?
openYMMV / TheLastOfUsPartII
Removing non-YMMV items from YMMV.The Last Of Us Part II when I found this:
- Informed Wrongness: Part of why Ellie's depiction is divisive. Ellie goes on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge, same as the other playable character Abby, however many felt that the game condoned Abby's revenge quest, while condemning Ellie's.
It does not condone Abby's revenge. It condones Abby realizing revenge was wrong and making a more successful attempt to give it up than Ellie (the problems with that are covered under Unintentionally Unsympathetic). And I think the only way attempting to kill like Ellie intended isn't morally wrong is self-defense which isn't the case here. Thoughts?
openDo these have any reason to be commented out?
I found a couple commented-out entries in the Yes, Your Grace character page. I could see why they would be commented out if they were zero-context examples, but they aren't as far as I can tell. Given the nature of the information in both cases, I'm getting the impression somone used the commenting out as some sort of spoiler markup. Is it okay to uncomment these?
(Ivo)
- "Well Done, Son" Guy: The good ending reveals that he never meant to kill his father, and actually wanted to win his approval.
(Beyran)
- Good All Along: While he has a Dark and Troubled Past as a highwayman, Eryk's desperate promise of Lorsulia's hand in marriage inspired Beyran to better himself and become a beacon of hope for his people, leading a group of refugees across the border into Davern. Unfortunately for him, Eryk sees him as an invading warlord and seeks to rally the nobles to oppose him

I noticed in passing on the Is This An Example? thread that an observation was made that Alpha Bitch is always female. However, the trope description itself states 'almost always female' (confusingly, with a pothole to Always Female) and goes on to state that there are rare cases of Alpha Bastards. There is an existing redirect for Alpha Bastard (there are 21 links). The comment about the Alpha Bastard existing was added in 2012, so it's been around for a long time, but not as long as the trope itself has existed.
So, is it an Always Female trope or is it definitely the case that rare Alpha Bastard examples can indeed exist?