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Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openThe Smite WMG page
Smite is known for featuring gods and mythological heroes as its playable characters, so naturally, its WMG page features lists of characters that Tropers would like to see added.
However, there are Loads And Loads Of Characters throughout all of mythology, so the folders consist almost entirely of lengthy, lengthy lists of names and nothing else. This is not only hard to read, it's also very uninteresting, as it doesn't contain any self-expression or creativity on the part of the writer, just plop down the name of whatever gods or mythological figures you think of.
On the discussion page, as well as the Wild Mass Cleanup thread
, I proposed a solution: for every god suggestion on the page, there should be some kind of explanation of why or how they should be implemented in the game, such as mentioning feats or abilities that could be translated to gameplay. For example, I added that Echidna, mother of monsters, would likely be a Minion Master if she were made into a playable character.
However, I have not gotten any replies regarding this idea in over a month. I don't know if it's too extreme, as it would result in most of the content on the page being removed. But I think it would make the page much lighter and more interesting to read.
Edited by ZuxtronopenIf I wanted to redesign/update Trope-tan, would that be possible?
Trope-tan is a cute concept, but her design has always struck me as busy/outdated/not befitting the Moe Anthropomorphism look. I've drawn the current design
◊ before, and obviously I don't expect to be able to just barge in and do whatever I want—if this is a possibility I'd expect it to be community-approved—but I wanted to get a sense of if it's even feasible before I get ahead of myself.
openDisambig needed, but the main page is already a trope
The Host has a serious issue with subpage collision (the YMMV page alone is seperated into sections for 4 different works). Normally the solution would be to move the individual media pages and make the main page a disambiguation for them... but the main page itself is already a trope.
open The Problem With Pen Island's subpages are too large and need cleanup
So, I went to The Problem with Pen Island's two subpages (both detailing This Very Wiki) and found a lot of typos. While this is not so bad as I usually fix it myself, the pages are huge, and it'd take me around an hour to clean up a folder.
Should we split the pages? What do we do about all the cleanup needed? And why has this gone unnoticed for so long? (Or am I not meant to touch those pages?)
Edited by ARandomPageopenTroper with grammar problems
GXuniverse has some grammar problems in their edits. Here's a sample few:
From WesternAnimation.The Proud Family Louder And Prouder:
- Hartman Hips: Penny had wider hips than her original self. It meant show how she is older and mature.
From Fanfic.Miraculous Uncertain Future:
- Anyone Can Die:No characters is safe from being killed in this fic.
From Characters.Forever After:
- Lipstick Lesbian: She is the beautiful daughter of the sultan and dressed very feminine. She is also falls for Aladdin who is female in this story.
I sent a notifier for the Proud Family one.
openTroper with poor grammar
Gregthe Hellhound is committing basic grammar mistakes in almost all of their edits. This includes misspellings, random capitalizations and misplaced punctuation marks. Examples here
, here
, here
and here
.
I sent them a notifier and they replied with an apology, yet their most recent edits
suggest they did not consider checking the Get Help With English thread.
Edit: Misspelled a word myself. Oh, the irony.
Edited by TantaMontyopenNew troper, new page, problems
The new article VideoGame.Gacha World was created by a new troper. Aside from the usual problems with a poorly drafted article, I'm wondering if the description is plagiarized from anywhere. I'm not really interested in doing the research myself so I will hand it over to the troper body.
open Sevens: Jackpot21 deletes all dissenting Opinions: Anti-Climax Boss edition Anime
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/Jackpot21
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/YuGiOhSevens
User Jackpot 21 has this thing where they really dislike any opinion on Sevens they disagree with, even if it is a YMMV trope and thus is about opinions versus facts. Recently they went after my YMMV opinion on one of the final bosses of a Sevens Arc.
Here be what they removed.
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- Anti-Climax Boss: Yuga's second duel with Asana, and the climax of her arc, is considered the weakest duel of all the arc climax duels in the series. Reasons for this stem for the aborted clash of the Maximum Monsters (which makes sense in the plot but comes as the expense of the duel), a sense of repetition of plays from the previous arc climax duel with Neiru (Yuga making a similar 'Trick Guard-Stray Familiar move', the second and third turns leading to a mutual Maximum clash, the use of Magical Switch to summon Seven Roads Magician to take an attack for a weaker monster, etc), and the duel's format overall being more akin to a regular Yuga duel than a climactic one (Yuga notably wins not using Seven Roads Magician, a combo with Seven Roads Magician, or his Maximum monster, but a new level 7 monster (Steeltek Diety Mirror Innovator) in a manner that is more akin to how a duel with a minor character would go and not a climactic clash with a final opponent whose duels tend to more closely involve Yuga's signature cards. Asana herself remains a popular character, but her final duel is considered weak by many.
...
Now let's break down why this is wrong. To list a few of them off the top of my head.
1: Anti-Climax Boss is a trope that is usable outside of video games. In fact all Yu Gi Oh Series have used this trope in their YMMV (For both cards and opponents). 2: This was an opinion I did see around and more than just myself. 3: Anti-Climax boss entries list out why the boss was seen that way, and I did list out several reasons including repetition and how it was concluded.
Also of course 'Your Mileage May Vary'
Minor tweaks are perfectly fine: perhaps changing words from 'is considered the weakest duel of all the arc climax duels' to 'many consider it the weakest duel in all the arc climax duels'. But if he isn't going to even give a reason for his removal like the Pokemon Journeys entry in this system at the same time...well either there is something wrong with it that I don't know about or it is good to go back in a manner that can avoid an edit war.
Edited by KrspaceTopenRecreating character page for Yumi's Cells Webcomic
Edit: I'm looking for feedback on character images now.
I want to make sure it's okay to recreate Yumi's Cells, which was apparently cut because it didn't have content.
While I'm at it, I also have a few questions about how I should handle spoilers between the characters page and the main Yumi's Cells page. Before I edited the work page, it seemed to mostly spoiler out things regarding the breakup of the second boyfriend and the existence of the third boyfriend.
- If the entry is about the main character's romance, should I put it exclusively in the relevant boyfriend's folder (e.g. a Rejected Marriage Proposal)?
- Should I keep the second boyfriend's breakup spoilered on the character page, or would that be too self-fulfilling? How about non-breakup-related things like the bait-and-switch of the proposal that turned out to be just a regular gift... which turned out to be a wedding ring?
- Should I put a spoilers-off warning on the third boyfriend? I think he has enough non-spoilery tropes about his personality to not be an all-white folder, but the spoilers on the romantic tropes might defeat the purpose.
- The work page has quite a few entries with bullet points for multiple people. If the entries have spoilers for a character that would have a folder, should I move the character's bullet point to their folder? If the entry would lose most of its bullet points that way, should I rewrite it to be more general? (e.g. rewrite the Shirtless Scene entry to say all the boyfriends have such a scene at the high point in their relationships and move the specifics to their respective folders)
- On a different note, should I put a three-trope threshold on the Cell characters before splitting them off from the humans they belong to?
openEdit war
On 27th November
, Shiroyama added this.
- Some people have even considered nature itself and even THE PLANET EARTH to be Eldritch Abominations.
It's general example ("some people" practically means absolutely nothing), ZCE (how it would count as Eldritch Abominations?), and - to be blunt - make no sense. So I removed it about six hours later, pointed out in edit reason that "Some people" misuse tropes too, so don't mind them. (because I think citing "some people" is the worst issue of this entry, it might be simple ZCE if they state the source myth).
Today, they put it back with minor change
.
openEdit war
On Trivia.Casino, H Mackall restored an entry
for Adaptational Name Change that had previously been removed for not being trivia, and they claimed in their edit reason that its removal hadn't been explained, although it actually had
. I reverted it, since it's not trivia, and it's located on the main page, but then I realized after checking the history that HMackall actually added it themself in 2019
, and has restored it repeatedly since then.
openUnintentionally Unsympathetic misuse or rework?
- Author's Saving Throw: Part of the reason Cortana's Face–Heel Turn in Halo 5: Guardians was so disputed is that it undid the emotional impact of her death in Halo 4. In this game, Cortana is given another chance to perform a Heroic Sacrifice by destroying part of Installation 07 to prevent the Banished from using it to their own ends, earning her a Dying as Yourself moment with the Chief.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Despite Cortana having a reckoning with her actions and performing a Heroic Sacrifice, it ultimately all rings hollow as she's previously acted as a megalomaniacal A.I supremacist who killed an untold number of innocent people and sent whole planets back into the Stone Age in an imperialistic attempt to enforce peace on the galaxy while imprisoning Blue Team in a Cryptum for ten millennia after John refuses to toe the line with her agenda… all without batting an eye. The scene where Cortana spitefully uses the Guardians to commit genocide against the Jiralhanae on Doisac after Atroix refuses to submit to her (those Brutes having apparently done nothing to invoke her ire at all or even been planning against her) made many fans view her as undeserving of redemption after everything she's done and feel that her following Heel Realization was far too little, too late. In general, her apology seems like she is not upset about her actions themselves, but because of having no partners with her or about some of the consequences. The actual genocidal actions do not matter much to her as far as we are shown.
Besides the entries seeming to conflict, I believe UU doesn't apply to too much which is too subjective (and given they sacrificed their lives they did everything possible to atone), but for objectively different reasons than acknowledged by the work. The last part of UU was recently added explain that. Is this a widespread enough to count (there is a lot of valid but unrelated salt over her Face–Heel Turn in the first place that could be influencing this)? Should it be reworked to emphasized she's UU due to seemingly only regretting the consequences as opposed to her evildoing?
Also asked UU cleanup
. But any other feedback would be appreciated.
openJackpot21 edit war in Ladybug's fridge page Western Animation
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/MiraculousLadybug
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/Jackpot21
Yep.
Though this time, hopefully this is a more straightforward case that won't turn into a shouting match.
So yesterday Jackpot was on the Ladybug fridge page and removed a few entries, a concept I personally find rather poor in taste. For some of the removed bits Jackpot gives a reason.
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Alya already established herself worthy of being a heroine nor has Cholé been contrasted with the other heroes. Marinette and Adrien have had several slip ups that go ignored like Juleka, but even then that isn’t enough to say she’s a terrible liar.
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TLDR on the first one, there are a series of fridge observations regarding Chloe B and her (fanbase aggravating) rise and fall in hero worth that compare and contrast and several of them, though not all of them, were removed by Jackpot. For example how Marinette's stress dreams in Sentibubbler where Chloe (and Cat Blanc) appeared could be because Marinette was more hurt by the Chloe fall than she lets on, or that she sees self-hypocrisy in giving Alya her miraculous full time (the latter part Jackpot keeps), and how one can contrast Alya specifically distracting Marinette's friends in another episode with a fake bad ankle, thus helping Marinette sneak off and drawing a comparison with how Chloe would act in a 'oh hey an Akuma, time to be Queen Bee' scenario in season 3 at several points. (This builds off several other fridges by several others, including myself, in contrasts with Chloe with things like her replacement's costume, the hero King Monkey and how his development contrasts with that of Queen Bee, and an entry of mine that Jackpot had deleted some time ago comparing Chloe's actions to that of the other temp heroes in one episode)
So, while I decided that my own entry on Juleka's noticeable secret identity slip ups was probably not worth fighting for, I restored most of what Jackpot had removed. The page is edited fairly often by myself and others, so these entries were all either by others or ideas I had submitted and had been edited by others into an new form over the course of other edits over the course of months (being tweaked with words and links by others to better the entry), noting to Jackpot where the Alya and Chloe comparison stuff had come from and a bit on how I don't see the problem in people having their own fridge conclusions you don't agree with.
Like people can think about stuff in the plot that isn't being said aloud that you don't necessarily agree with, and it can still be there.
So afterwards I have a bit of a spree of ideas and do a few more edit bits into Ladybug's fridge page, a few more ideas, a few expanding sentences for context, a few spelling corrections, some stuff like that.
Then comes the Edit War, where Jackpot removes a few of the same entries again. The removed entries the first and second time by Jackpot are.
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- Trixx is in the Miracle Box when Luka rushes to retrieve Sass. It’s likely that Alya occasionally returns her Kwami to the box to throw off Shadow Moth, as was done in episodes like Hack-San.
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Which I had expanded on after putting back with a point that she did just that to enhance the fridge argument.
...
there are two options: either Marinette, who initially seemed not too taken aback by her betrayal, was far more hurt by it than she let on, or
being removed from
- As for why Chloé is in the dream, there are two options: either Marinette, who initially seemed not too taken aback by her betrayal, was far more hurt by it than she let on, or it’s likely Marinette recognizes her hypocrisy in letting Alya keep the Fox Miraculous even though Shadow Moth knows her true identity while she benched Chloé for the exact same reason.
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This entry below, which was one that, while I had created the original one, had been edited and improved by others since including Jackpot over the course of two months into the above form.
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- Gabriel was the one to figure out a creative plan for Optigami when Nathalie was convinced it was a failure after the straightforward spying mission went nowhere. Gabriel is a designer by trade after all; he's a bit more creative than her.
...
And his other 'I had created the base idea that others had then expanded, tweaked, and improved on' entry.
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- This episode continues Season 4's subtle contrast between Chloé's worthiness and that of other temporary wielders. When Alya sees a brewing Akuma event in episode, and Marinette requests a distraction, she immediately fakes a bad ankle to let Marinette slip away and prety much ensure she'd have no chance to use Trixx this time. Last season, Chloé took multiple Akuma attacks as a moment to be Queen Bee first and foremost.
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This being Jackpot's argument for removing stuff I had put back.
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This page is for pointing out certain details that aren’t addressed in the series, not for people to make their own conclusions. The entries I removed were either speculative, redundant, or are your interpretations.
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Like...not entirely sure what the point of that is. Going 'this is a plausible reason why the Kwami was back in the box when he would otherwise not be', especially with an example of that happening in the series, feels like it covers that threshold.
Though given that four fridge entries, by multiple people adding and working on them, got removed twice in an editing sequence...more straightforward right?
openRedundant image links pages
Fireblood has created dozens upon dozens of redundant Image Links pages. They always consist of an image (not a link to the image, but the image itself) that is identical to the one on the work's main page, and nothing else. This
is the latest one I found, and despite me having cutlisted all of these redundant IL pages over the course of several months, I'm still finding them.
openCharacter Page Reversion Policy
EDIT: The original issue is being resolved on the Discussion page, but I'm still wondering about character page projects.
A few days ago, someone created this character subpage
. There wasn't any discussion about this, which is technically fine, but the page itself has some issues. Even though a couple of other users have edited it, seven of the folders have 0-2 examples. There's also some weird capitalization and formatting. Some of their edits also don't make much sense: they changed
a Foil example to Contrasting Sequel Main Character, but neither of the characters in the original example are the protagonist of their series. The bulk of the page is focused on one character (who nearly has technically enough content for their own page).
I posted yesterday on the discussion page, but no one has responded. Is it alright to revert the split, or should I wait for approval? On a separate note, is there an existing project focused on setting up a Character Sheet guidelines page? I feel like that could be helpful.
Edited by indigoJayopenDoes TV Tropes have any official social media accounts?
I was curious if TV Tropes has any other presence online like on Twitter or Facebook aside from just the website itself.
openRegarding using material posted on another site by a Troper with their consent.
I'd like to ask about using summaries when the troper themself has given consent to use them.
Tropers/Comun, a user of Beast's Lair
wrote summaries of the latest chapter of Fate/Grand Order, Non-Primate Ecosphere: Tunguska Sanctuary.
I asked about using their summaries
, to which they gave their blessing
. However, I was told to ask the people in the Copy-paste Cleanup Thread
for advice concerning this situation because using the summaries could be considered plagiarism and break the rules of the site. Unfortunately, I received no response
, so I'm asking here instead.
openVideo Example Misuse/Complaining
I feel like some video examples may need some work as either the examples are misuse, complaining (from either the video itself, the description, or both), or both misuse and complaining. The examples I can think of at the moment are:
- Innocently Insensitive video for the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic episode "Filli Vanilli" (The video itself is fine, but the description sounds like complaining about a character.)
- 0% Approval Rating for The Rise of Skywalker (Trope misuse as the trope is not about works receiving a mostly negative reaction, but is about authority figures that are despised by everyone in the work.)
- In Name Only for Overly Sarcastic Productions (Trope misuse as the trope refers to adaptations that barely have any connection to the source material apart from the title while the video instead talks about how Samurai Jack is a samurai in name only.)
EDIT: The video example for The Rise of Skywalker has been removed.
Edited by PatrickD95openSpider-Man: No Way it's being brought up again.
A while ago I removed Rescued from the Scrappy Heap entries about all three Spider-Men from Spider-Man: No Way Home after discussing it on Is this an Example
thread, because it was agreed that it was too early to call it that. Then it was re-added again along with another entry and deleted again here
. Which also had it re-added while the query was going on and deleted by the same query. At the same time, I also removed one for all three Spider-Men here
including Andrew Garfield fallowing discussion here
. Well yesterday Enigmatic_Mastermind added these entries here
:
- Rescued from the Scrappy Heap:
- Those who initially weren't impressed with Andrew Garfield as the web-head in The Amazing Spider Man films tend to appreciate his performance more in this film, probably due to the script being more fitting for him as well as the character being comically self-aware that he was the least popular Spider-Man as well as having several highlights in the film. Like the scene where saves MJ in the same way he tried to save Gwen.
- Jamie Foxx's Electro from the same films as well. Even before the movie hit the theaters there were people who were glad that he was given a second shot at playing the supervillain and he felt more serious and formidable here despite his limited screentime, in contrast to the more cliché tragic loner-turned-villain in his original movies while still keeping that aspect of his character in the end without losing the threat.
What should be done cut or keep? You know this page has been the subject of a lot of ATTs.
Edited by Bullman

So, as I do, I dewicked another Not So Different wick tonight, at VisualNovel.Piofiore No Bansho. Then I checked the history, and noticed that almost the entire page worth's of edits tonight has been done by Lilybot and their edits are... a bit concerning, as they're deleting several tropes about a specific character, demanding people not add a "spoiler character", and claiming that "talking about how a love interest feels" is too biased— even if it's literally mentioned in the work itself.
I need to sleep so I don't have time to dig through the history and figure out all the tea. This is just what I noticed when checking five minutes ago.