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openPossibly disruptive user
On Characters.The Amazing Digital Circus Players, WELLBEBACK 7653 has made 3 edits changing the label of the hidden spoiler image in Kaufmo's folder to "NO WAY OUT", except that label only makes sense if you've already watched The Amazing Digital Circus, so the phrase by itself is a revealing spoiler. I'm asking if anyone can revert that change.
I'm aware that there's a previous ATT query
about this troper, so we may need to check their other edits.
openHeavy case of AutoEroticTroping Webcomic
Nixvir is a webcomic created by Aeneas 1 with, to date, a whopping 1162 "related" pages
. Taking a look at them, so far, all the wicks I've seen have been created by the author. To give credit where it's due, the page itself has been edited by other tropers, but is still mainly the work of Aeneas 1. That includes the following very gushy sentence from the description: "What begins as a wacky, childish High Concept becomes an epic story to contend with the likes of Homer and Virgil, a tale of love, religious fanaticism, masculinity and good versus evil..."
Now, obviously there's nothing wrong with making a page for your own work and crosswicking it; however, of the wicks I've looked at, quite a few are shoehorn-y, with a tendency towards using Not a Subversion to get something that's plainly a non-example on the page:
- Subverted in Nixvir where Zanuba instead has a bird with the head of a gnome as her familiar. None of the other witches are depicted as using familiars, anyway.
- Subverted with Lady Metre in Nixvir who wears a sheaf of wheat in her hair, symbolising her role as the goddess of the harvest. In fact, none of the female characters are depicted as wearing flowers in their hair. I guess this might be a straight example, but it's definitely not a subversion, and the last sentence isn't needed.
- The actual year in which Nixvir takes place is never directly given. That is Ambiguous Time Period, not this trope.
Trademark Favorite Food.Webcomics:
- Subverted in Nixvir; Erik is unable to eat, being a snowman, and thus he can never have a favourite food. Mind you, he does have a tolerance for alcohol, but he is never seen favouring it above all other drinks. Justified, in that perhaps favourite food or drink, even if he were able to eat, would not be a priority for him. So... it's an aversion, then.
They also have some wicks that, while not factually inaccurate, are wildly gushy, for example the entry on ShownTheirWork.Web Comics (not going to quote it here for length, but it contains phrases like "is very well researched" and "The author studied Classical Studies and English Literature at King's College London [...], and it shows".) Remember, this entry was made by the comic's creator.
They have also been linking their comic in a bunch of Quotes pages, image links pages, and Referenced by….
They have two other webcomics on the wiki, Ragnar: The Prelude to Nixvir and Perekrin Penkrin A Day In The Life. The latter hardly has any wicks so far, but I checked a couple of the wicks of the first one, and it seems to have a similar problem of shoehorned examples.
Edited by DoktorvonEurotrashopen Sylviemations
Sorry if this isn't important, but Sylviemations seems to have a problem with laziness and getting other tropers to do the work for them. On this ATT query
, a few days ago, they asked why there wasn't a characters page for Numberblocks, and when I told them that there used to be one before it was cut for being a stub (read: having nothing but a load of empty folders), they complained that I cutlisted it instead of filling it out myself (despite me not being familiar with the work and only complying with the policy that we cutlist stub pages if no effort is made to improve them after the OP is notified). Multiple tropers tried to talk to them on the ATT thread, about how to create a page, policy on ZCEs, and the fact that pages need to have at least three non-ZCEs to stay. Then today, they created a page for the first time
...and it was a one-line stub that consisted entirely of the following sentence:
I’m too lazy to make this page someone else do it
openEdit War on the YMMV page for Inside Job
So troper Johnny Be Bad deleted this example from the YMMV page for Inside Job:
Trans Audience Interpretation: Reagan is occasionally read as a transwoman for a couple reasons. The first episode establishes that she has a habit of saying "suck my dick" a lot for a woman, the fourth episode includes a robotic replica of herself that is notably more feminine, her diploma uses male pronouns and has her name written by hand, and, perhaps most notably, the 8th episode has Rand offhandedly mention that he tampered with her genetics when she was in the womb to make sure his genetics were dominant. That said flashbacks to Reagan's childhood in the finale seem to contradict this, unless Reagan transitioned extremely early or her memories have been further tampered with.
This was their justification:
- Don't strain your back reaching like that.
They then started this thread
to discuss Trans Audience Interpretation. The general consensus of the thread was that Johnny Be Bad's edit reason was unnecessarily mean, but that the example wasn't valid to begin with.
Troper Sana Naryon then re-added the example with this justification:
- Trans Audience Interpretation is not a theory, it's an interpretation. I'll reach however long I damn well please, and I know for a fact a lot of people agree with me. Also, those What An Idiot examples are more about Rand being an idiot In-Universe, which is perfectly in character for him, instead of him acting stupid for no reason.
To me this seems like someone using the YMMV page to push their own personal headcanon. During the thread discussing this example, someone did a google search and found no proof of fans thinking Reagan was trans.
open SkidTroper and The Red Pill
Skid Troper unilaterally created a page about The Red Pill documentary, a highly contentious work about the Men's Rights Movement. Skid Troper has, on multiple occasions, been questioned for his edits adding an overly-conservative and pro-Christian bias to the site. Particularly on the Mass Effect: Andromeda and Acceptable Religious Targets pages, so his decision to do this makes me a little nervous.
Particularly because of a few edits he's made on the Red Pill pages as well as others.
On UsefulNotes.Feminism, he added:
- Further events, such as several feminists scathingly one-sided criticisms of the documentary "The Red Pill", have only added fuel to the fire.
- Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics: Cassie discusses how domestic abuse statistics are often applied in ways that lead to the persecution of men, mainly in men being singled out for persecution in domestic abuse cases. In addition, the omission of homosexual couples domestic violence statistics from the legal system's enforcement of laws is also lampshaded. The misreading of statistics to support the Wage Gap is also explored.
- Men Are the Expendable Gender: One of the prominent female privileges discussed in the film is women's exemption from the draft. Even as a feminist, this was something Jaye herself conceded and was a prominent talking point with Paul Elam. This is also discussed as a possible reason why society at large sidelines or suppresses men's issues.
From YMMV.The Red Pill:
- Strawman Has a Point: Cassie originally planned to criticize the Men's Rights Movement as a hate group. She then learned about their actual causes and their history, making her believe that they are largely correct.
- Values Resonance: The message remains relevant in The New '10s, with further feminist movements and social media campaigns by feminist celebrities (many of which are controversial, some even straying into misandry), such as the movements #Me Too! and Time's Up. There is also the continuing trouble passing laws that are fair to both genders, particularly in divorce court, sexually-based offences and the handling of domestic abuse.
- Writer on Board: Cassie Jaye went to great lengths to avert this, also because she started making the film as a feminist and the research she did throughout convinced her to stop being a feminist, which altered the final product.
openBanned troper has resurfaced.
Suicidedogavi is the new handle of an old, banned user who earned their ban for Single-Issue Wonk and later tried to evade it. I knew who it was the minute I saw their edits. Someone care to deal with them? Like, based on their edits, it's 100% bornofself/janegotagun/any number of other ban-evading handles.
Edited by HasturHasturHasturopenWayyyy too many empty lines (yes, pun intended)
Wayyyy has sorted examples in sevaral pages, which by itself is a great contribution to the wiki.
However, there's a major issue that comes along with this sorting, and it's that examples are now spaced out by empty lines. I replied them asking them not to add these lines, but they refused to do so, arguing that it makes the examples "easier to read". These spaces are making the trope pages too awkward-looking and large, and the fact the troper won't stop doing this comes off as disruptive.
openDefensive bashing
KJ Tropes' recent edits on Trish Stratus have been pretty defensive and complaining/insulting.
Their entry for Medal of Dishonor doesn't seem too bad in and of itself (assuming that's an okay trope to list) but their edit reason, "Don't say, "Trish wasn't actually in the match, she didn't deserve that." The whole mess could have been avoided if it had been a Bradshaw-Nowinski singles match. Bradshaw may be an asshole, but he had about a decade of experience at that point (he debuted in 1992), so he and Chris could have held the match together." seems needlessly defensive and unrelated.
After this, their entry for Screw the Rules, I'm Beautiful! includes her starting the "Molly Holly 'big ass' garbage" and including her fans dismissing criticisms, which again seems unrelated. The edit reason is "This is the truth. You can not claim that what I described did not happen."
Edited by iamconstantineopenQuestion regarding a Dethroning moment Videogame
Kibchi has added a DethroningMoment.Video Games moment that I felt got way too personal to qualify:
- Kibchi here. My current moment for me is how Nintendo handled the casting for Three Houses. First they get Edelgard a new voice actor (and don't even tell us why,) and then they replace Byleth's with a total novice over Tumblr drama. Chris confessed to a lot of abuse, (that happened because people decided to emotionally abuse him badly enough he was suicidal,) and violated his NDA (by talking in a closed circle of friends, apparently) so they replaced him with this guy who's barely old enough to drink. This lack of transparency and their desperate cling to their image is utterly disgusting. The Nintendo Ninjas have lost their right to call themselves ninja- Only the most despicable scum would kick a suicidal man when he's down. This attempt to whitewash their image is just making it worse. I'd pre-ordered the game before it happened, so I couldn't just cancel my order on release day, but I'm not buying any DLC. Also, I'm not updating the game. The Day One patch can go fuck itself.
This DMOS has nothing to do with the game itself and kinda constitute as a real life example yet the troper readded it back despite being previously removed twice due to not being a fictional moment.
Edited by Loekman3openWho is Eddy Kariti? Possible Misinformation Troll
Courtesy Link: Eddy Kariti, discussion page
and history of the page
I happened to look at the Cut List and someone, ~Spokuha, added Creator.Eddy Kariti on the cut list for "being a fraud" who allegedly has added himself to various wikis for the U.S. version of Being Human despite not actually showing up in the show. Here's a link to the guy's Twitter account.
(Though notably he isn't verified.) Apparently, Kariti played a character named "Randy Brooks" but on our Characters.Being Human UK and Characters.Being Human US pages there is no such character listed.
This is so strange.
The Creator/ page was made by ken-chicken (edits
), who also added the filmography section of the page. I just scanned IMDB's pages for the two Being Human series, the movie (Being Human: Unearthed), and an unrelated 1994 movie of the same name. "Randy" and "Eddy Kariti" are not listed among the "Full Cast & Crew" lists.
I'll PM Spokuha about this thread.
EDIT: This
seems to be the actor's IMDB page. I assume it's correctly a page for the same person in part because it lists the same person as being his father, but it could also be full of b.s.
Editing to add list of Creator/ pages made by ken-chicken:
There may be overlap with mahidevrans (edit history
showing similar interests in obscure creators like Creator.Berrak Tuzunatac, Creator.Tuncel Kurtiz, and Creator.Cansu Dere, though admittedly these are all Turks), who created a page for Painters and added this obscure Eddy Kariti person to the list in March 2019 (draft edit history
).
openProblematic behavior from Thetropemaster101
So I recently got a PM from Thetropemaster 101 wherein he more or less ordered me to make some specific edits to a bunch of Star Wars character pages, and I believe that I'm not the only one since I noticed a few edit reasons throughout the index mentioning that they were being done based on "PM suggestions."
This was particularly notable since he did so through an edit notifier for an edit I made on Seven Deadly Sins, which had nothing to do with Star Wars (while I do edit the Star Wars pages frequently, it comes across as fairly stalkerish).
Searching for him on ATT I found numerous threads going back up to two years detailing all kinds of problematic behavior, including:
- Edit-warring
- Serial tweaking
- Consistent issues with formatting and ZCEs, as well as confirmed sockpuppeting (notably, he posted a total of seven replies in a row from two different accounts denying it and begging to have his temporary edit ban lifted)
As well as creating a bunch of strange
, complainy
ATT threads and a very weird personal page where he describes himself as "the best troper on this website" and expresses a desire to be a moderator.
openVandal/Troll?
Pengellylog is a new troper who only has one edit, which was adding nonsense to What the Hell, Hero? (which I removed). At the launch pad, they've also begun to make some trouble by randomly editing and renaming someone's draft
and creating a bashy stub
, the latter of which wouldn't be noteworthy if not for the other odd things.
They basically seem to be calling us idiots, like by changing Too Dumb to Live on the trope draft with Self-Demonstrating Article.
openOdd Stuff on Arthurian Legend Literature
I want to draw attention to a rather bizarre editing conflict on Myth.Arthurian Legend.
More than three years ago, a troper called Methuselah
added two new entries to the works list on Myth.Arthurian Legend. Here they are:
- Balla na Nathair Corónach, another pre-Roman tale, which also has versions once told/sung in Scotland, Cornwall, Ulster, Bretony, Galicia and Mann, was purportedly (i.e-attributed to him but most likely not written by him given his ficticious nature) written by Fionn Mac Cumhail to honor his Welsh rival (which is debatable considering the average Irish mythologian's attitude toward Arthur), and stylizes Arthur as a pro-Druid anti-Roman bastard (of mixed Roman and Welsh heritage) and nephew/heir of Emrys (his uncle Ambrosius, who is apparently a separate character from Merlin in the ballad) who married Guinevere to bring piece to Britain on the word of his adviser Myrddin (Merlin), although this peace later broke and Arthur avenges the breaking of the pact by attacking the Romans, and later burns the Guinevere analog for killing one of his pre-wedlock heirs. Other iterations are far more anachronistic.
- Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans, a semi-historical (in that it is mostly fable, although similar events did occur, although not during the period when the Welsh canon was being composed) account of a series of vengeance-raids by Celts and other native Bretons against Nordic settlements in Scandanavia. The oldest, least adulterated, and most clearly translated version was found in Iceland. It describes a Serpent/Dragon King (a coded title for one of the possible other inspirations of Arthur, who was allegedly a major Druidic leader) who led these attacks, occupied some villages for a few years, and even extracted tribute until the mid-Roman occupation. Later versions are also more anachronistic and incorporate more post-Norman Arthurian lore.
I consider myself halfway knowledgeable about medieval Arthurian lore. Yet I have never heard about these supposed Arthurian works. I checked some books, googled around, and found absolutely no information about these works. Though Google Translate suggests that "Balla na Nathair Corónach" is Irish and means "Wall of the Crowned Serpent" and "Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans" is Icelandic and means "Account of the Festival of the Dragon".
I also find that much of what is said about the supposed content of these works is hard to believe or does not make sense. For one, I am not aware of any Arthurian work from medieval Ireland; much less a "pre-Roman" one, given that Arthur is pretty much universally placed in time after the Roman occupation of Britain. The entries are also extremely confusingly written, lack focus, and are riddled with vagueness and self-contradictions. Because of this and because I couldn't find any proof for the existence of these works, I eventually deleted both entries. (This was more than two years ago.)
The entries stayed deleted for somewhat over half a year, then Methuselah returned and restored them, referring to my deletion as "vandalism" in their edit reason.
Next I sent Methuselah a private message telling them that I couldn't find any confirmation for the existence of these works, and asked them what their sources were or where I can get information about these works. They replied with a very condescending message in which they tried to present themself as some kind of expert on medieval literature and claimed that Balla na Nathair Corónach has been published in a book called The Celtic Heroic Age by John Koch and John Carey, and that Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans is a "fragment" of an Old Icelandic work called Möttuls saga.
Since then, I got myself a copy of The Celtic Heroic Age and, lo and behold, no Balla na Nathair Corónach. As for Möttuls saga, this is an Icelandic translation of a French Arthurian tale called Le lai du cort mantel (The Lay of the Mantle). I checked out a translation and several synopses, and (you know where this is going) found nothing which fits the material that Methuselah claims constitutes Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans.
I have decided against sending Methuselah another pm. I don't know if they are still active (their last edit was ten months ago), but in any case they have been lying about their sources (if they have any). My impression is that they're intentionally throwing academic-sounding language and work titles around so that others will believe they're an expert and won't question them.
Long story short: I want to delete both of Methuselah's entries for referring to inexistent works. But since I already deleted them once, I want to get consensus first to avoid an edit war. Do I have permission to proceed?
(I will send Methuselah a pm about this query.)
Edited by LordGroopenPossible agenda based editing
Swim To The Moon made some edits that seem to be agenda based.
This query
shows they had an edit reason which said negative stereotypes about Egypt were actually true.
They also added this to Live-Action Films (0-F) about Black Christmas, which has some rather questionable attitudes about feminism and according to another editor also contains false information (havent watched the movie myself)
"Then there's a fact that the film was made purely as an angry feminist diatribe who seems to hate men. While the original 1974 film had a political feminist subplot, said subplot only took up 10 minutes of that film. The whole movie's plot is that a year after main character Riley was sexually assaulted by a member of a fraternity, they stumble upon a conspiracy that said maternity are members of a cult trying to kill people on campus. Saying the film is Anvilicious is an understatement; the film drops an entire factory of anvils on the viewer; the most blatant example happens halfway through when the film stops completely in its tracks to have its characters engage in a screaming match at each other over whether or not all men are rapists, a scene that doesn't even tie in very well with the film's core message, especially since the film goes back to the way it was like nothing happened. And as if this wasn't bad enough, the movie can't even get its own moral values right. The film's twist is that the fraternity are a cult being mind controlled by a humanoid alien. So for all we know, the men themselves may not have raped anyone knowingly, and taking this a step further, it also turns out that Riley accused the wrong guy of sexual assault, yet the film still acts as if she was right to do that. Because remember, kids! false rape accusations are completely okay!"
open Life is Strange: True Colors problem
So recently Life Is Strange: True Colors had its trailer release. Unfortunately, as usually happens with unreleased works, the page is dealing with issues regarding what is considered speculation and what isn't. Specifically, two Tropers are edit-warring over context.
Dark added three tropes (Aura Vision, Color-Coded Emotions, and Psychic Powers) with the edit reason, "Adding some tropes very definitely shown in the trailer."
Alphaeater hid them all for not having citations.
Dark un-hid them with the reason, "Ah, the fun police are here."
Alphaeater outright deleted the tropes with the reason, "Do not unhide hidden entries without fixing them."
Dark re-added them all. "I did, by changing the "in this game" to "in this game's trailer" but I guess that's just not good enough, so here. Also, one of the ones you deleted literally has "based on the trailer in it", so why was that one also deleted?"
Alphaeater hid the Color-Coded Emotions entry with the reason, "Where / how do these colors appear? How are they associated with emotions?" Note the example itself reads Based on what's seen in the trailer, red is anger, blue is sadness, yellow is joy, and purple is fear.
Dark added more context but with the reason, "Context clues. Also, very petty move, holding the entry for 20 minutes to prevent editing. Jesus effing christ, dude, go hall monitor somewhere else."
Since then, other Tropers have added Tropes to the page. Alphaeater outright deleted some and hid others out for being ZCE—although they didn't leave an edit reason explaining their deletions.
Following this, Dark added a note to the top of the page: "Remember to add a citation, even if it's blatantly obvious from context clues, or the hall monitors with nothing better to do will hide your entry!" Their edit reason: "please go away or do something actually useful, like adding context despite the entry being perfectly readable and comprehendible without the extra wording."
So we have an edit war going on, and honestly I'm finding issues with both Tropers here. Most obviously Dark is being pretty rude and petty in their edit reasons, and I'm going to go ahead and delete the petty note on the page. On the other hand Alphaeater is sometimes not communicating their reasons for deleting entries—and these deletions seem unnecessary, as they can simply hide them until proper citations are added.
openIssues with edits by Tropers/TheKaizerreich
I skimmed through the edit history
of The Kaizerreich since I found their name concerning. They haven't edited for almost three years but there are a couple of edits I find problematic. (Links to the specific edits in the history don't seem to work. Are they too old? Is this a bug?)
This got rewritten anyways, however obscure comparisons of the number of killings are a typical right wing talking point (Holodomor
is more comparable to the Great Famine in Ireland and it is completely beside the point).
In Acceptable Political Targets they added:
- CNN is getting in on the deal as well, with an overwhelming amount of 2016's journalism being full of pro-Hillary Clinton reporting while exaggerating anything and everything Donald Trump did (and in some cases just plain making it up). Trump himself (in)famously called CNN "Fake News" during a press conference. On the other hand, Trump is also aligned with:
- Alex Jones, a radio host and probably the living example of a Conspiracy Theorist, who has to be seen to be believed (and many people don't believe he's authentic). His website Infowars will bring just about any news story they can and has been roundly mocked, though the mockery died down after Trump started associating with them and them bringing a few stories that were shockingly real.
Further they added an example on Maggie Thather that in essence is also in the current version. Here's the original edit:
I agree that Thatcher is a good example for this trope however I feel the criticism is portrayed in a wrong way, cf. [1]
. While Thatcher is seen as an unpleasant person it's not due to "moral guarding".
In Acceptable Professional Targets they added:
And also
In Acceptable Ethnic Targets they edited:
This somewhat beside the point. They also added an example that in essence survived till today:
As a German I know none of those "popular Turks" who made it into "high military positions". Actually I don't know any high ranking military officer (who are still in office) at all. They are definitely not popular. However, there are popular politicians of Turkish descent. Also there are very few "Turks" in Germany but many people of Turkish descent, in the third generation or so. As for television, I'm not aware of any popular stereotypes. That's not to say there wouldn't be any but they should give examples.
In Black Panther (2018) they started an edit war for which they got suspended [2]
and I don't even know what to think about the example:
- Sacred Cow: Negative reviews no matter how mild got frequently blasted to oblivion because this is a "mostly black" movie and thus somehow a Sacred Cow by default, whether it has actual merit or not - which carries the rather unfortunate suggestion that the movie cannot actually stand up to scrutiny and requires an enforced air of ultra-positive public opinion to be relevant.
There are also three other ATT threads about edit war issues [3]
[4]
[5]
.
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who has issues with those edits but maybe others can help looking through the edit history. Of those examples above only the Thatcher and Turkish-German examples seem to have survived.
Edit: Fixed formatting
Edited by Sirenaopen Rudeness
I'm concerned that the troper Nepworks is being rather rude to people. They're being pretty confrontational and mean on this TLP draft
; while a lot of tropers including myself have concerns about the draft, they're being the most aggressive about it. They're also being rather mocking on this TF query
.
openBorderline obsession?
I've been thinking about that one for quite a long time, as I honestly am not the kind of guy to tell on somebody, and the troper seems to have a lot of good edits in general, but this particular thing has gone on far too long now. Tuvok
seems to have a pretty heavy case of Single-Issue Wonk on the character 'Grant Ward' from the show Agents of Shield, with his character folder being listed here
. I'll admit, this character has proven himself to be very controversial among the fans, but he seems almost hellbent on deleting pretty much anything positive or morally ambiguous about him, even though that was kind of the point. A lot of his reasonings seem to fall under his personal interpretation, with numerous people disagreeing over time, and as I've said (just look for yourself at the edit history of the page), this has gone on for years by now (even longer than the actual edit history of the page, as said page has been renamed and moved several times). Essentially, the whole character has been the subject of an extremely long edit war. And it has never been brought to discussion, he just straight up deletes what he doesn't like.

Ian78668
is very much into the Alternate History story Player Two Start, having most of their edit history devoted to its work page. However, they seem to be adding their own concepts and ideas (usually about Don Bluth or Pokémon in some form) into the work page that aren't in the text itself. Even the author had to step in and take some of this out
, only for them to add yet more of their own fanon. I sent them a few notifiers a while ago, and they seemed to comply at first... but just recently came back again and added yet more of their own fanon into it. Since I didn't want it to be an edit war, I sent them another notifier and bringing up the problem here.
Edited by harryhenry