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open Contradicting entires/Mis-blamed misuse?
YMMV.Pokemon S 21 E 6 Mission Total Recall
- Designated Hero: Gladion is the brave older brother who went out of his way to protect Lillie by becoming strong enough to stop Nihilego...while also disregarding that since he knew everything that happened that night, that he could've prevented a lot of Lillie's traumas if he just told his mother sooner.
- Mis-blamed: Gladion's actions or lack thereof appear to have caused a rift in his overall view in the fandom for the anime, but an obvious roadblock pretty much shoots down any of the normal methods Gladion could've done to get the message through about Lillie's abuse to Lusamine; unless he dealt with Faba first and foremost, nothing was stopping Faba from continuing to enforce a fake status quo he had kept preserved for four years straight with help of his Hypno and other Psychic Type Pokémon altering and manipulating their memories in-order to save his own skin. If anything, Gladion should consider himself lucky he even managed to escape at all in any capacity, as Faba would've more than likely erased his memories too if he had managed to catch him sooner. By all accounts, Faba is the biggest obstacle for this entire arc, and even with Ash's help, Faba wasn't easy to bring down, and he still tried to make a counterattack in the following episode to make up for the misstep of being ganged up on by two trainers did to him.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: The fact that Gladion kept everything quiet and never went to tell Lusamine about what happened to Lillie sooner makes him less altruistic and more selfish, especially since he chews her out for not paying attention yet he knew yet ran away from his sister.
These argue with themselves over Gladion. I'm inclined to cut Mis-blamed as the narrative never presented that aspect and it's about real life creators, not in-work characters, being such. But there's this from Misblamed.Anime And Manga:
- Porygon being the Pokémon that caused the infamous seizure-inducing imagery present in the banned episode "Electric Soldier Porygon"
. It wasn't. While Porygon and its evolutions have certainly never appeared in any anime adaptation ever since outside brief blink-and-you'll-miss cameos, this is purely due to the unfortunate association its name has with the incident. The imagery was actually caused by Pikachu, who was attacking incoming missiles being shot at Porygon and the rest of the group.
This was previously removed citing "About creators being mis-blamed. This is Common Knowledge." But was added back without explanation. Thoughts?
openWriter Conflicts With Canon misuse?
- The Rise of Skywalker establishes that Supreme Leader Snoke was actually a failed clone created by Palpatine, with several other Snokes visible in vats on Exegol. This directly contradicts previous declarations that Snoke had been around for many decades, and that Palpatine only learned about his existence shortly before his death at the end of Return of the Jedi.
WCWC is when Word of God conflicts with canon. I believe this was All There in the Manual material that was contradicted as opposed to out of work creator statements. (If WCWC allows prior material how's it different than Retcon?) Or if both statements and later material contradict does the latter supersede the former? What to do?
Relating:
- According to the Sonic 4 web site, Sonic and Knuckles' levels and stories take place at the exact same time in Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Fans noted that there was tons of evidence within the game itself that Knuckles' story is after Sonic's story. Examples include Angel Island Zone Act 1 showing only the sky in the background instead of the ocean, Eggman's Death Egg is missing in the background for Launch Base Zone and Lava Reef Zone Act 2, the ghosts in Sandopolis Zone Act 2 are already wandering around at the start (you later find the container that held them was already broken by Sonic), and Mecha Sonic appears to fight Knuckles at the end of the game since he didn't explode when Sonic defeated him previously. This was rectified by later material stating that it indeed took place after Sonic's campaign.
Would a official website be All There in the Manual as opposed to Word of God?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenBrokenAesop.Naruto
Mister OM added this entry to BrokenAesop.Naruto on November 28th (bold emphasis mine):
- The story often carries out, whether intentionally or not, the message that “anybody can become the best through determination and hard work, and if you can’t, then you just need to try harder”. And the story even tries to pass on the main cast as examples of people who fit that criteria…except that they don’t. The strongest characters in the series, both good and bad, are often people who were born with either great inner strength by virtue of who or what they are, or born to really powerful, gifted or wealthy families and whatnot. Naruto himself and nearly every other character of any significance became stronger and stronger by virtue of the legacies that were passed down to them (in Naruto's case, no less than four ultra-powerful legacies, on top of the all-powerful demon sealed inside of him) leaving everyone who isn't a Person Shaped Can o' Evil or named Uchiha (and most of those besides) far behind in the dust. For all the series’s talk about hard work and determination, Hard Work Hardly Works is more in effect here. Sure, Naruto and Sasuke (and everybody else this applies to) did have to train, sweat and bleed to get where they are now, but it doesn’t change the fact that they had access to advantages, powers and shortcuts that normal people and ninjas wouldn’t have access to, and that they didn’t even have to do anything at all to get those powers bestowed upon them. Granted, some of these powers come with negative side-effects to counterbalance that problem, but even that doesn’t really mean much since Naruto and Sasuke both eventually find ways to overcome these side effects.
It is generally agreed upon that this aesop doesn't actually exist in the series and was made up by detractors. Despite this, this entry tries to circumvent this with "intentionally or not". Similar entries to this were argued upon in the past, which is why I'm bringing it here so it doesn't become an edit war.
Edited by SatoshiBakuraopen Edit war on a Funny moment
Streamof Consciousness added an entry
on Funny.Hololive about a key visual depicting one character with his hand slightly masking his forehead. They think it's a Facepalm; I do not, hence why I deleted it
. Rather than open up a thread in the discussion tab while I wasn't around to respond to their DM, StreamofConsciousness found it in good taste to re-add the entry
, however slightly reworded it is, and even tried to justify themself with a mouthful edit reason that includes quoting the trope page.
Even with StreamofConsciousness's justification, I still don't see how Vesper Noir's new key visual is anything other than looking cool.

openAvoiding an Edit War
So on YMMV.Glass Onion I deleted
this entry:
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: The film does its best to paint Andi as a victim whose life her identical sister Helen and Blanc seek to avenge by ruining Miles’s life. Yet a few viewers, along with Honest Trailers, point to several details in the film that suggest she may have actually been an Asshole Victim who wasn’t any better than Miles and rest of the Disruptors. First, she’s the one who gathered all the Disruptors together in the first place and encouraged them to pursue their ambitions as well as bringing Miles into the group, instigating the story’s events. Second, the all important napkin Andi wrote her business ideas on is about about “crypto scalability” which is extremely dodgy and casts Andi in a more negative light than Johnson likely intended. Not to mention, despite being pretty wealthy as a co-founder of a company, Andi apparently didn’t share a single dime with her sister Helen who is baffled and out of her depth by the luxury on display. While the film is all about deriding the frequent stupidity and callousness of billionaires, it doesn’t acknowledge that Andi (given what we see of her) may not have been an exception to the rule either.
I deleted after the Unintentionally Unsympathetic decided
that Andi is not supposed to be sympathetic. Well Dragon 101 added
a new entry for her:
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Helen seems to put her sister on a pedestal and is determined to uncover her murderer, and looks down on all of the terrible people And surrounded herself with; all the same, Andi did surround herself with terrible people and arguably was even the one who corrupted some of them in the first place, and seemed as concerned with her own legacy and wealth as Miles was- in short, she's likely just as bad as the rest of them (and maybe worse for seemingly being the most intelligent), which undermines the triumphant ending where she is avenged.
They didn't discuss this anywhere and it still runs into the same issue. I don't know what to do as I can't remove it without Edit Warring.
openMagnificent Bastard Chain Hole
Remnant 43 has a bit of an issue with potholes on Magnificent Bastard entries. Once before they edit warred over the selection of one on Breaking Bad. This time while they haven't technically edit warred Sandbox.Magnificent Bastard Call Of Duty has an entry with a Chain Hole, which they re-added after I removed (I removed while pasting over their entry to the Sandbox so it isn't technically an edit war). I'm posting this to gain consensus for me to change back without committing an edit war myself.
Edited by 43110openWork page titles for arcs - should they include the series/franchise name? Print Comic
As I understand it, works pages should reflect the (or at least an) official title of the work in question.
In the ComicBook namespace, we have quite a few pages for arcs within a single series (or Bat Family Crossover events officially badged under a single series/character title) that only use the subtitle and not the series/character title.
So, for example -
- The Celestial Madonna Saga is an Avengers arc and the collected edition is titled Avengers: The Celestial Madonna Saga. There are no crossovers and no other titles involved in that arc.
- Days of Future Past is an X-Men story that's collected and sold as X-Men: Days of Future Past. Again, it's entirely from one series, Uncanny X-Men, not a crossover event.
- The Demon Bear Saga is a New Mutants arc and collected/sold as New Mutants: The Demon Bear Saga.
- God Loves, Man Kills... well, as you can see on the works page, the cover has X-Men as a prominent part of the title.
- Mutant Massacre is a Bat Family Crossover that covers three different X-books (plus odd issues of Thor and Daredevil, but is packaged and sold as X-Men: Mutant Massacre.
...you get the idea. I don't think there are many disambiguation concerns with the current names, if any. But we're inconsistent on this and many, many ComicBook pages have included the series title or character name as a prefix to the arc/event name.
It seems odd that we're editing down the names to remove the character/comic/franchise element when there are no character-limit issues, and when that's not the version that the publisher's officially using.
(It also increases the number of oddities in alphabetical indexes - e.g. tropers put One More Day and Go Down Swinging under S, because they know they're Spider-Man stories, but unless you're looking at the index page itself the structure and ** / *** bullets aren't visible)
So, subject to discussion on the relevant pages and elsewhere, is it worth a tidy up that attempts to move them?
(One note on this: due to the film of the same name, we'd probably need to add a year to X-Men: Days of Future Past to disambig if we do move it - but that's the exception)
Edited by Mrph1openRemoval due to Rule of Caution Editing Judgement?
This entry of WebOriginal.Role Ending Misdemeanor was deleted by troper Super_Weegee just giving Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement as an edit reason:
- In September 2022, Cloudflare dropped the notorious website, KiwiFarms, from their DoS protection services, after a campaign organized by Canadian transgender activist and Twitch streamer, Clara "Keffals" Sorrenti, who herself was one of the victims of constant doxxing and harassment by the website, culminating in a swatting incident which made her flee the country. Cloudflare initially made a statement in response to Sorrenti's campaign, declining to drop KiwiFarms from their services, they walked back their statement a few days later when the threats escalated into threats of violence. And during the week after that, KiwiFarms was also dropped from other services, like Captcha, and their Russian and Chinese domains.
So far, I don't think there's anything in the post that's factually incorrect or biased, thoughts?
openKavorka Man Image deleted
Visiting the Kavorka Man page, I had noticed there was an image for it and it's gone now. According to this part of the edit history
, Solsun ended up deleting the image and didn't leave an edit note. And looking at Image Pickin' and Image Pickin' Morgue, I haven't seen anything discussing this being deleted and the page source itself still has the "Image picked by Image Pickin' notice, don't change or remove without starting a new thread". I don't really go on Image Pickin' (mentioning just in case I missed something), but I do wonder if it should be restored back on the page?
openUser not replying to crosswicking notifer or crosswicking
Apologies if it turns out it's not worth the ATT report, but I'm not sure what else I could've done.
So, wayside99 created the The Serpent Queen page a while back. However, they haven't really crosswicked the page that much, only putting it on 3 pages. While admittedly, not crosswicking work pages is not as big as a deal as say Trope pages, it's still needed in order to keep the page from stagnating. I sent them a crosswicking notifier a few days ago when I discovered the page and its lack of wicks.
As someone who likes crosswicking to the point of making it a hobby, I understand how tedious crosswicking can be, so I decided to give them some time. However, they haven't responded to my notifer nor have crosswicked the page as of today (in fact they were editing today and yesterday, so they should be aware of the notification on their profile by now). While I don't mind crosswicking the page myself, it's still ultimately the responsibility of the page creator to crosswick it.
So, what should be done if there is an action to take?
openPro Wrestler Bashing
One issue I've been coming across a lot lately on pro wrestling pages are tropes and YMMV entries speaking negatively about the wrestler's personal lives rather than professional lives, which I know is not normally allowed on here. For example: the Alternative Character Interpretation on the YMMV pages for Shawn Michaels and Diamond Dallas Page are aimed at the person, not their characters. TLDR: It says that Michaels' Born-Again Christianity is an act and that DDP is a scam artist: For the full version:
- "After Shawn Michaels became a born again Christian in the early 2000s and had his second run, there's always been the nagging question of just how truly changed of a man he's become. Many think he's truly changed for the better and is no longer the Jerkass that he used to be in the 90s. However, others still think Shawn is still the same old prick he's always been but now he just manages to hide it better with religion. There have been many peers in the 2000s like Chris Jericho who say that HBK was a changed man after accepting God. Still, there have been some dissenting voices like Gregory Helms and Jim Cornette who believe that Shawn's just a fake with his "Born Again" attitude and if this interview given by Rob Van Dam
is anything to go by, Shawn can at the very least still be a bit of a jerk, albeit one who's a bit more backhanded and passive-aggressive than in the past. While there is a general consensus that he was a great wrestler in his 2000s run, that consensus becomes a bit more divided when people go into interpretations about how changed of a man he was in that era.
- A good example of the alternate interpretation would his ridiculous overselling in the match against Hulk Hogan at SummerSlam 2005. Many smarks applaud Michaels for standing up to the most hated politician in wrestling for supposedly refusing to put over him in a rematch. Had this been any other wrestler besides Hogan, they'd be calling Michaels a selfish, unprofessional ass for refusing to make his opponent look good. And indeed, Michaels would have gotten a phenomenal match out of the aging Hulkster had he not spent the match flopping around like a fish on meth. To turn an ultimate dream match into a comedy-fest out of spite for Hogan is not exactly admirable behavior, regardless of what Hogan may or may not have done to deserve it."
- "Page presented himself as a hard-working everyman who made good. He uses this persona in his DDP Yoga presentations. He put a lot of work in turning the lives of Jake Roberts and Scott Hall around no doubt; helping them towards addiction recovery and adopting a more healthy lifestyle. Roberts and Hall have both said that they're only alive because of DDP. However, a skeptic might point out that he conspicuously had cameras around to document these magnanimous acts to deliberately use them as marketing tools. DDP did definitely come from a humble background and work hard to get where he is; but he is also a very shrewd businessman and marketing mind. Those who knew him during his wrestling career have noted this when speaking about him in later years. Page and Eric Bischoff were former neighbors and friends (Bischoff even admitted that when he first met Page as a manager in AWA, he found Page to be annoying, obnoxious and more concerned with getting himself over than the guys he managed), and Page did exploit that connection to get some favorable treatment. (He was the first wrestler allowed to stand up to the nWo by Diamond Cutting the Outsiders, for example.) Ric Flair once said on a podcast that Page was a nice guy, but that he was a "smooth operator" who had a talent for getting himself over, "...and making you think it was your idea".
I'll admit that I contributed to these entrys (I didn't write them entirely, but the part about the Hogan scenario on Michaels and the Bischoff part on Page was my doing) but I've had a bit of a Heel Realization and was planning to delete them altogether, but they might be added back.
Further examples of this are the Broken Pedestal entry on Hulk Hogan's YMMV page (and Broken Pedestal isn't even an Audience Reaction:
- "He became this however to professional wrestlers and some fans after the aformented racism scandal. His reinstatement as of 2018 did not help things either, as his apology during his meeting with WWE's enployees was tainted with insincerity (basically he apologized that he got caught). Only time will tell if he is to become a Repaired Pedestal or remain broken."
And this Jerkass entry on Kevin Nash's page that is obviously calling Kevin Nash the person a Jerkass:
- "Pretty much a requirement to be part of the Kliq. He's a lazy, selfish, greedy, bullying creep who cares only about himself and his friends and shows no concern for the damage he does to whatever promotion he is in at the time."
So yeah, I think pro wrestling pages need a lot more monitoring. I'd do it myself, but I'm trying to distance myself from it because I feel I've sort of outgrown it. I get that the lines between reality and fiction in the wrestling world isn't as cut and dry as it is in other media—primarily because for so many years wrestlers lived their gimmicks and even today tend to fully live by the Do Not Call Me "Paul" trope. Either way, this stuff doesn't belong on these pages in my opinion.
openPage with no existing work Literature
While clicking the Random Media button, I came across the page for Linda. The page has four examples on it, and the description of the work claims that it's a short story hosted on a Google Document. Clicking on the provided link shows that the Document was deleted at some point, and I can't find any other copy of it online. There's no linked account for the author, the history for the page doesn't show who made it in the first place, and only five tropers (including myself at one point last year, to my surprise) have edited the page over the past 8 years.
I would like to ask what's the best course of action for a page like this. Do you cut the whole page, or do you toss it into the Unpublished Works section?
Courtesy link: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Literature.Linda
openCharacter Derailment?
Questions about these Character Derailment examples.
- Total Drama All-Stars Rewrite does this to Cody due to the authors having an immense hatred for the character. In canon, Cody was indeed a perverted dweeb with hopeless delusions of being a cool ladies man, but despite that, he was also a nice and friendly person who was very much capable of being respectful and gentlemanly when he wanted his beloved to be happy (as was the case when Gwen hooked up with Trent, which he actually helped with making happen). In this story, he has none of his redeeming qualities and is instead depicted as a dirty liar and a selfish Jerkass whose aforementioned I Want My Beloved to Be Happy moment was secretly a shallow attempt by him to make Gwen like him even more.
If it's a rewrite, that's Adaptation Personality Change. And how is Derailment different than Ron the Death Eater here?
- Along with mass Flanderization, Seasons 4-9 of SpongeBob SquarePants were hit by this very hard, until Stephen Hillenburg's return to the show:
- Patrick got progressively dumber as the series went on. He goes from average intelligence in the first season to The Ditz in season 2 and 3 to virtually brain-dead in season 4 and onwards. He also became more of a Jerkass on occasion.
- Mr. Krabs goes from greedy and selfish, but still good, to a Jerkass with little to no good qualities who often puts others and himself in danger just to get some cash, and even tortured Plankton until he tried to commit suicide. It doesn't help that he gets away with most of his crimes.
- In the first three seasons, Sandy is a daredevil who is skilled in a variety of sports, including skiing, karate and weightlifting. Then in season 4 she suddenly became a scientist, and much of her characterization and humor started to revolve around her intellect and inventions.
I belive Flanderization is exempt from this trope as it is a gradual change based on existing traits as opposed abrupt and inexplicable. The last part about Mr. Krabs is irrelevant and shows it more about complaining than this trope.
- In My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, Twilight Sparkle is a kind, moral and intelligent individual who is protective of her friends, to the point where she was willing to hand over godlike power to a malevolent demon so he'd let them go. In the IDW My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic comic, she's possessed of an extremely arbitrary and obstructive morality that she'd do things like not intervene when her friends were getting assaulted, or not intervene when a bunch of thugs were terrorizing a town, or scold her friends when they tear up a legal document that the aforementioned thugs were using to acquire a piece of property despite their blatant campaign of terror against the townsfolk that should get them laughed out of court, or concocting a plan that involves them kidnapping and impersonating the notary to commit fraud so she would have an excuse to use her magic.
- Iron Will during the "Siege of the Crystal Empire" arc. In the show, and previous IDW comic he appeared in, he's a pretty nice guy who left both times on good terms with the mane six and was generally a nice guy, if a tad aggressive. Here he's part of a Legion of Doom dedicated to helping resurrect King Sombra. Even assuming he was unaware of the King Sombra part, other members of the team up include the Changelings and Queen Chrysalis (enemies of state who have tried several times to destroy Equestria), and the plan involves him stealing the Crystal Heart needed to protect the Empire and keep it safe from harm. He does so proudly and openly enjoys doing so.
I'm inclined to agree, but these aren't unexplained (Twilight has the never before mention law against acting, Iron Will wanted to be feared to regain his reputation as an assertiveness teacher). The explanations are poor, contrived, unpopular, and inconsistent with everything else, but it tried to explain it. Since derailment is about unexplained changes insufficiently explained changes seems too subjective and better moved to Fan-Disliked Explanation.
- Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell derails Trixie in great length. Word of God claims the book is canon to the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic continuity after the season 3 final. However her portayal is rather jarring. In season 1, Trixie was a pretentious magician boasting that she's the greatest magician in all Equestria. At the end she has to flee Ponyville when her exploits are revealed to be made up. It's noteworthy to mention she was also a controversial example of Designated Villain and Unintentionally Sympathetic since many viewers feel like she did nothing wrong before Rainbow Dash started booing to her performance. She comes back in season 3 as an antagonist, we learned that after the event in season one, she became a laughingstock and was unable to go anywhere with her magic show without being laughed out of town. She goes back to Ponyville with a powerful artifact to seek revenge on Twilight. At the very end Trixie realizes her faults and makes peace with Twilight Sparkle. Comes this book, Trixie is again resentful toward Twilight, is described as a bully and teams up with Gilda to replace Applejack's cider with gloopy green gunk for the sake of it.
This would be an example, except it is consistent with her next portrayal on the show of still being a rival with Twilight Sparkle having similarly ignored her realization there, even making ignoring Aesops part of her character. That she had learned it then was speculation that was Jossed. What do we do in the case where "derailments" turn out to be Accidentally Correct Writing.
I'd say Character Derailment could use a cleanup. But since it's Flame Bait, why do we even allow examples when no other Flame Bait page does? I think they were added before we disallowed Flame Bait examples.
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenDisgust Tropes definition and misuse
So, Disgust Tropes is meant to be about the emotion, but people are adding tropes like Bird-Poop Gag and Urine Trouble that are gross, but not to do with the emotion itself. Some do involve reactions from the characters, but it's not necessary. I know I could Always Edit It Myself, but it seems like a substantial problem.
openI need help cleaning up these mess (SCP Foundation characters sheet) Web Original
Just to make it clear how bad it is, this is from Characters.SCP Foundation SC Ps 5000 To 5999
- And Then John Was a Zombie: In SCP-5000, The Foundation itself is the Monster of the Week.
- Alternate Universe: The SCP comes from either this, a previous iteration of the universe or the past before it was changed via Reset Button. In any case, the Foundation found no ties between the SCP and their still-living version of the employee that died inside the suit.
- Always Chaotic Evil: The cured Foundation personnel are unable to feel pain or sympathy and are nearly emotionless. The hidden dialogue hints that this is the natural state of the human race.
- Apocalyptic Log: The majority of the article features one, with data logs being the only thing still functioning from the SCP, that detail a Foundation employee's cross country trek in a world where the SCP Foundation declared war on humanity.
- Bittersweet Ending: Despite near-impossible odds, Pietro manages to reset the timeline at the cost of his own life. But since it's never revealed what the secret that caused the Foundation's Face–Heel Turn was there's no way to tell if it will happen again.
- Also since the Eldritch Abomination inside humanity's collective unconsciousness hasn't been stopped it's still able to continue its unknown goals. At least in the new timeline humanity may have a chance of stopping it without resorting to genocide as now they know what happened last time.
- Blue-and-Orange Morality: The SCP Foundation believe that the extermination of humanity is the right thing to do. Scant references imply that it's thanks to a discovery that humanity itself is abhorrent and anomalous. And if the revelation that a foreign entity gave emotions to humanity's collective unconscious in the past is correct, then humans as a whole are originally inclined to this kind of morality before the entity stepped in.
- Body Horror: Pietro tries to bury the corpse of a young boy, only for hundreds of worms with the child's face to burst out of it.
- Brown Note: Whatever the Foundation learned that made them declare war on humanity, it's something very dangerous for the uninitiated to learn. When an interrogated MTF member revealed it to his interrogators, it caused them to essentially be put in a state of perpetual screaming.
- Call-Back: To 2998. "Can't fit round pegs in square holes", can you?
- Clingy Costume: Pietro is forced to wear SCP-5000 throughout his entire trip. Not because he can't remove it but because it is keeping him as The Needless and invisible for his walk across the country in a world where humanity is getting systematically exterminated.
- Conditioned to Accept Horror: As his on-foot trek continues Pietro becomes more and more desensitized to the constant genocide happening around him. This doesn't help his self-image.
- Continuity Cavalcade: Over a dozen different SCPs get referenced in this article, mostly with reports explaining how the Foundation is unleashing them on humanity for maximum casualties. In addition, Pietro's goal, though he can't remember it, is putting SCP-055 in contact with SCP-579, the "square peg in round hole" scenario a couple of other articles reference.
- Curb-Stomp Battle: While the Foundation are eventually defeated by Pietro reseting the timelime their attack on humanity is an absolute slaughter. They easily destroy entire cities overnight, crush the GOC and Church of the Broken God's alliance and force the Serpent's Hand to abandon the universe.
- Death by Irony: Not literal death but the Foundation has their apocalypse reversed just like they had previously used a Reset Button to overwrite the apocalypses caused by all the other world-ending horrors.
- Eldritch Abomination: Late in his travels, Pietro comes across several Foundation soldiers fighting against a weird entity that resembles a human stretched across the sky. It is assumed to be the the foreign entity that invaded humanity's collective unconscious in the past and gave emotions to humanity as a whole for unknown reasons, and since the humanity that it controls is dying, it attempts to materialize itself to defeat the Foundation and to (perhaps ironically) defend the humanity that it controls at the time.
- Enemy Mine: The Global Occult Coalition and The Church of the Broken God are normally hated by the Foundation, but neither wanted humanity to be wiped out and occasionally cooperated as the biggest forces opposing the corrupted Foundation. Ultimately, it wasn't enough, with the GOC being wiped out and the Church crippled.
- The Extremist Was Right: After discovering a horrible secret regarding the truth behind humanity's collective unconscious, the Foundation ends up agreeing with SCP-682 that there is something inherently wrong with humanity...and deciding that eradicating humanity is the only logical step to spare them from this fate.
- Face–Heel Turn: The Foundation as a whole undergoes one of these after discovering something horrible.
- Feel No Pain: While conducting purges of uncorrupted SCP soldiers, the Foundation would test them by stabbing them. Most had no reaction, while those who did were promptly killed.
- One Foundation scientist claims that humanity as a whole is not supposed to feel pain.
- Foreshadowing: This line from the interrogated MTF member might seem nothing at first glance but it hints at what the Foundation of SCP-5000's universe learned. It is the same line SCP-682 expresses when talking about humanity
Samuel Ross: …disgusting.
- Heroic Sacrifice: Pietro manages to create a Reality-Breaking Paradox that restores the world, but in order to do so he has to jump into the pit containing SCP-579, dying on impact with the ground.
- Hoist by His Own Petard: Three of these occur. The Foundation, which was created to protect humanity from world-destroying horrors, end up exterminating the human race. But then Pietro combines SCP-055 and SCP-579 to create a Reset Button that restores the world just as the Foundation had previously used the same method to stop an Alien Invasion. Even better, in order to do it Pietro needed the aid of an advanced armour suit the Foundation itself had created.
- Living Statue: Eventually Pietro starts finding statues of SCP soldiers except they have blades for hands, a permanent grimace on their face, and ability like SCP-173. They turn out to be frighteningly effective in killing people too.
- Oh, Crap!: Pietro could only utter a "Fuck me" when the Foundation released a global message revealing their existence and their intent to exterminate mankind.
- The Purge: The first people the Foundation killed were those of its own membership that had not been hit by whatever "cured" them.
- Reset Button: As in SCP-2998, combining SCP-055 with SCP-579 accomplishes this.
- The Reveal: Hidden text in the last image implies that what the Foundation learned to make them want to exterminate humanity made them essentially see humanity the same way SCP-682 sees humanity.
- It gets better! The hidden dialogue in the blank space between the final journal entry and the footnotes and the hidden implications in the article depicts that in the past, a foreign entity entered humanity's collective unconscious and gave humanity the ability to feel emotions like empathy...emotions which humans aren't supposed to be able to experience at all.
- "Shaggy Dog" Story: Unfortunately even though Pietro eventually reached his goal humanity was essentially exterminated by this point, he is left with no answers, and he could only make SCP-055 come into contact with SCP-579 by dropping from a fatal height, causing him to die before his remains were transported to the main SCP universe.
- Luckily reading SCP-2998 makes it more of a Bittersweet Ending. It's implied that Pietro really did reset the timeline to save humanity.
- ...but then potentially Double Subverted when one realizes that, thanks to this timeline reset, whatever entity the alternate Foundation found within the collective unconscious and was trying to fight by exterminating humanity is still out there, and now there's nothing stopping it from pursuing whatever its goals are in granting humanity empathy. Though since the Foundation has SCP-5000 now they may be able to rediscover it.
- Technically Living Zombie: The "cured" Foundation members are still alive, but feel no pain or fear and refer to those who do as "live ones". It's implied that they sacrificed some core element of their humanity itself thanks to discovering it to be unnatural and repulsive since it is assumed that humans originally do not have emotions at all (or at least not certain ones such as empathy).
- Was Once a Man: The Foundation as a whole. They still look human but definitely aren't. Even the personifications of Death can't recognize them as humans anymore.
- You Have Outlived Your Usefulness: The first thing the newly insane Foundation does is execute most of its staff with gunfire.
Obvious mistake like bad Administrivia.Example Indentation In Trope Lists and ZCE aside, I think the problem is how this is more like a work's trope page despite being in a character sheet (even the header named after the article, not a character or faction or something). And as such it troping several characters at once (mostly Pietro Wilson and the altered Foundation, despite how they don't work together), and include plot/narrative tropes. Seriously, if it has proper summary I would just move this to its own work page. But no, all it has is link to article and trope list.
This isn't just one case (please check the page's history, as well as other character sheets'), sometime they're bad enough that the folder say one name but all tropes belong to a completely different character or the writing gimmick of the article. And as a wiki, you can bet that this kind of thing will keep coming.
Edited by KuruniopenNot Really Memes? Videogame
Reposting my question here because I have the Discussion page isn't trafficked all that frequently enough to get a prompt response.
Marikusu recently made a bunch of additions
to Fire Emblem: Three Houses that I feel violate the nature of what constitutes a meme, because they seem to be expressly partisan polemics that just happen to be delivered in a cheeky/sarcastic way, rather than the kind innately self-perpetuating humor that usually constitutes a meme. Plus there isn't any meaning to them beyond the face value statements themselves. Also, memes are generally supposed to have broad appeal because of their self-perpetuating nature, hence being about a matter this controversial already limits their ability to appeal to a wide audience.
In the past we've already had to carry out major repair on the YMMV entry for Edelgard under Base-Breaking Character because it was getting too full of these polemics both for and against her, so needless to say anything regarding the grayness surrounding her morality is enough of a delicate matter that the additions are in violation of Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement. Not to mention there was a fair amount of discussion in the game thread that found the fascist label to be inaccurate (the Memes entry admits as much, but goes on to add it anyway with a handwave) and a case of Ron the Death Eater, as while she's certainly a lot of things that aren't exactly good, fascist expressly is not one of them.
Edit: I see that Marikusu nuked
a YMMV entry that explicitly explains how Fascist Edelgard came to become a Discredited Meme to the point a voice actor got involved; whether or not it still sees use in some remaining circles, I do think that treating it as a contemporary meme of worth after that incident definitely comes off as in bad taste, especially since as someone with friends who are fans of all three of the various house lords, the ones who express a liking for Edelgard are the ones who receive the brunt of harassment and personal attacks due to the way modern fandoms behave.
openContrasting Spelling and pronouncing
I was watching the official release of Beastars on Netflix, and one of the character's name is spell Rouis but is pronounced Louis. The page itself use Louis but should it be changed to Rouis despite how its pronounced?
Edited by WhirlRXopenQuestionable Deletions
Troper/Eggyolks deleted examples from Ed, Edd n Eddy and HBO Storybook Musicals. The examples deleted were everything under Accidental Innuendo and Self-Fanservice on the Ed, Edd, N' Eddy page, and Evil Is Sexy on both pages. They also removed a line referring to Double D as a Chick Magnet.
The edits to the Ed, Edd, N' Eddy page have been reverted.
My concern is the possibility the nature of the tropes had anything to do with their removal by the troper in question.
Sorry to bother you if this is nothing important.
Edited by fragglelover

So on YMMV.Live Free Or Die Hard, ultrafan removed
a lot of entries without an edit reason:
Like I don't know why they removed them. Like Matt is the cause of many debates in the fandom, Gabriel is considered sexy by many female fans, and that is a super common plot in fanfiction based on the film's. These also weren't discussed anywhere. So um what should be done here?