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openEdit War alert
In Unbuilt Trope. Hello 101 added wrong single two bullets entry in fanfic folder (about FanFic.The Infinite Loops). I sent natter notification to them, and then realize that the original entry seems to be misuse. It's all about how the fic itself use the trope, not how it has an example of Unbuilt Trope to "Groundhog Day" Loop (seriously, "Groundhog Day" Loop is a pretty old trope, the idea that an anime crossover fanfic unbuilt it is highly doubtable). So I removed it and state so in edit reason. Today, Hello 101 restore it without explanation.
Edited by KuruniopenNative Americans Liking an American President Equals Germans Love David Hasselhoff
I dont think it does. I like the entry itself, but its NOT Germans Love David Hasselhoff. They are from the SAME country? Why was it put there.
Its on Germans Love David Hasselhoff People.
openpermission to remove sbih entry
Edit: Ignore. They deleted it themself after seeing there was a discussion.
From Horrible.Comic Books. This is the entry in question:
- Kirkman's run on Ultimate X Men ended with him retconning almost every major change he had made, but it was still, sadly, not enough to wipe the long, dragging Magician arc from readers' memories. Kurt Wagner going batshit insane from his time in the Weapon X program could've been done as Character Development, but when coupled with his sudden off-the-wall homophobia and super-creepy Annie Wilkes-like behavior towards Dazzler, it just wound up being the final straw.
I'm bringing it here to avoid getting involved in an edit war. The above entry was deleted by another user because they misunderstood it as being about the entire run, but it was added again by someone else with only the first couple of lines switched around. As I mentioned on the discussion page before it was re-added, it probably shouldn't be on anyway. Apart from having pretty much no detail, all that it's about is a personal disagreement about the direction being taken with one character (and with only two aspects if it at that). Plus from what I've read, Kurt's homophobic tendencies, while more aggressive than before, don't come out of nowhere like the entry seems to suggest. Nothing about it implies horrible writing by itself, and even if it did that's still just one element. It certainly wont make sense to anyone unfamiliar with the comics anyway.
I also couldn't find anything suggesting that the story arc has a poor enough reputation to even warrant a place on the page in the first place. And the name of the arc (Magician) is incorrect.
Edited by supergodopenAccidentally created a page without meaning to.
Can you delete a page you accidentally created. I was trying to create a separate Trope for page for a Big Hero 6 fanfic I like. It's called The Pulse. But as it turns out, there's a comic book series with the same title. (The comic is a Marvel series written by Brian Michael Bendis And It redirected me to a Fan Works page with the Comic Book and YMMV pages for the Pulse. The BH 6 fanfic itself is in no way related to the Pulse comic book. I just wanted to know if there's some way to delete the Fan Fic page. Here's the link: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanFic/ThePulse
If you can help me, it would be much appreciated.
openNo title
This example from CriticalResearchFailure.The Nostalgia Critic feels a little opinion-based to me, but I'm not sure. What do you think?
- In his Editorial, "Can Hype Kill a Good Film?", he makes some egregious errors about people not thinking films like Frozen are good, but overhyped. The biggest one, especially if you're a troper, is that he states that Hype Backlash is where people liked something already, but they turned away from it because it got so insanely popular in the marketing and people talking about it. That's actually the definition of It's Popular, Now It Sucks!. Hype Backlash is actually defined as when people hear all the praises of something so much, that when they finally sit down to watch, read, or try whatever it is, they don't see what the big deal is about. Such is the case with Frozen. Many people don't see what the big deal is with the film for several reasons; such as it being derivative of other Disney works, like The Lion King, being a major argument, the songs not being that great, fans of the film saying it shows a pro-feminist message or is about gay rights, which it outright doesn't and isn't (as said by the people who worked on it), people saying it's the best Disney film in years when it has several contenders (like Big Hero Six, most Pixar movies, Meet the Robinsons, etc), etc. Most people who don't constantly sing its praises just see it as "meh", as it's not necessarily a bad film, but it's also not as great as others claim for them. Doug seems to not have gotten the memo, though, as he's repeated the wrong information about the trope in some of his V-Logs, literally saying something along the lines of, "they already liked it, but the hype killed it for them." While there could be people that did like the film, but that happened, that's still not the right trope. Nowadays, many people who are curious about the film go into it with a grain of salt because of how overhyped it's gotten. It's definitely weird because you'd expect Doug to know what Hype Backlash is already, seeing as he's reviewed films as the Critic, and himself, where most of his opinions on why they suck can, partly, be chalked up to not getting, or hating, the hype around them. Again, The Lion King being a major one.
openNew troper on a weird editing spree
Let's get two things out of the way: I know I might be jumping the gun a bit, and yes, I do feel weird about posting two editing-reports back to back in a short period of time, thank you for asking.
Rubyfangirl only started editing today. Normally I'd hold off on reporting them until a few notifiers were sent, however this isn't something we have a notifier for. While some of their edits are perfectly harmless (like adding page images), their weirdest ones are on Playing With pages. Specifically, their weirdly arbitrary deletions, additions and rewrites.
For example, starting here
they have a weird chain of edits that includes potholing The Lancer for a character described as The Sixth Ranger immediately before it, adding a very specific song reference and removing the generic "a pop song" part, and somewhat arbitrarily changing character names, as well.
Pretty much all of these edits are like this. Here
they replaced an Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking gag with a Sanity Slippage pothole (not to mention some weird rewrites on the actual trope page
), here
they altered some grammar and made it wrong (turning "an accompanying" to "a accompanying"), and here
, among other edits, their deletion of several things makes No Kill like Overkill no longer a sensical pothole... And I'm just not really sure what's happening here
.
Oh, and this edit
just seems painfully redundant.
In isolation, none of these issues would be reportable. But added up, and with how much they've been editing today, it just paints a very weird picture, and I'm not really sure what, if anything, there is to do about it.
ETA: Okay, some of their non-Playing With edits are also kind of bizarre, like these
edits that start out correctly potholing something, altering that pothole several times until it's no longer correct, and adding subjectivity to it as well. Without checking the link itself, IDK if it's in the game or is a fan thing, which could also be a problem. They just edit so fast and aren't slowing down to think their edits through at all.
openDDLC Edit War
On the Doki Doki Literature Club! page, this Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry was added by Tropers/Justmenoworries in November 2020.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Monika, for some. You're meant to feel sorry for her because she knows her world is artificial and desires something, anything real in her life. But a lot of players had a hard time feeling sympathy for a girl who would drive two of her friends to suicide and outright kill the third in cold blood, just to get some alone time with someone she barely even knows. Monika tries to justify this at first, stating that Natsuki, Sayori and Yuri are just programs, not self-aware like she is. However, that argument holds less and less water the more you think about it. Note While the girls never come to the same realization as Monika, save for Sayori who becomes full self-aware in both endings, they do always notice something's wrong when Monika messes with their programming. And even then, the fact remains that Monika viewed her three best friends as disposible, if it would just get her the attention of someone she was (supposedly) in love with.
Last September, Mummy Ga Ga deleted it with the edit reason, "Monika has a Heel Realization at the end though." Two months later Justmenoworries added the entry back exactly the same saying, "The fact that Monika has a Heel Realization at the end doesn't change what she did to the other girls and MC. A lot of fans still found her unsympathetic after said realization." For the entry itself, I'll run it through the U.U. thread to see if it sticks.
open Misuse in Trivia/AgentAli + Edit War?
Before Ejen Ali was localised to Agent Ali, End Bringer 99 added this example
.
- Saved by the Fans: Years of campaigned led the show being greenlit for a third season, exclusive on Hotstar.
I removed it as misuse
with this edit reason:
Nothing more ever came of this example until about 3 months after I localised the work's pages
, just about 10 days ago, in which EndBringer99 brought back the entry, albeit slightly reworded.
- Saved by the Fans: The fanbase demand saved the show from a three year cancellation.
I sent a message from the edit in question itself to say that I'd give 3 days to await a response/explanation/existence of evidence of cancellation until I'd inquire on ATT. note Is the message formatting by that method different from normal messages? Because I typed it as if the markup would work but it didn't - it looks like a mess of a paragraph. That was on 16th June and now it's an hour past midnight into the 20th in my time, and there've been a couple edits in that user's edit history since after I sent it.
I'm tempted to remove it again but I don't know if that'd account as an edit war, or if EndBringer99 is already in one, because it's technically the same page but under a different (the localised) title.
As I already stated, Saved by the Fans is for characters brought back by popular demand, and its description says that if this happens to a work, that's Un-Cancelled. However, I've found no evidence of Agent Ali ever at risk of being cancelled - there just happens to be a 3 year gap between The Movie (2019) and the upcoming 3rd season (2022).
I still await a response to see if there is any source saying the show was at risk of being cancelled because I've heard no such thing. How should I proceed? Thank you.
Edited by BlackFaithStaropenCharacter Perception Evolution misuse and example?
Character Perception Evolution states Rescued from the Scrappy Heap examples don't count as RFTSH is when the work changes them for the better while CPE is viewed differently by fans despite being unchanged. I question this CPE then.
- Ahsoka Tano debuted in Star Wars: The Clone Wars Pilot Movie and swiftly became one of the most disliked characters this side of Jar Jar Binks, being utterly despised for her obnoxious personality, her Bratty Half-Pint tendencies, and her obnoxiously cute half-naked "Cat Girl" design. A metric truckload of growth and Character Development later, and she is now fondly liked by the vast majority of both fans and critics alike who love her for her complexity and for being a foil to Anakin Skywalker. So much so that her live-action appearance in The Mandalorian was celebrated almost as much as Luke's.
I believe this might be misuse as instead Rescued from the Scrappy Heap as it's changes to her in the same series (the Pilot Movie is treated as part of it as opposed to a standalone/separate work) as opposed to how she's seen prior (my impression is her pre-Rescued character is now seen as worth the later payoff as opposed to good in and of itself). On that there's this from YMMV.Mass Effect 1.
- Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: When the game was first released, Kaidan was widely written off as a Tier Induced Scrappy due to having less biotic talents than Liara and less tech talents than Tali. As the game aged, the playerbase realized that his array of support powers was more potent than it first seemed, and he is now considered a top-tier character due to the overall power of biotics.
I believe this is Character Perception Evolution instead as it's not the work changing them. But a big part of this was Kaiden being Rescued from the Scrappy Heap in the third game contributing to the reevaluation. I assume this is a separate enough work to fit CPE as opposed to RFTSC but an asking to be sure.
openNeed help to avoid Edit War (bad example)
On 6th Jun 22
, Aetos added this entry to Characters.Classical Mythology Olympians:
- Benevolent Boss: When Erysichthon caused the death of one of her dryad nymphs, she fucked his shit up hard.
It's so bad case of melodramatic ZCE that I had lapse of judgement, removed it on the ground that has intense sex with the guy who killed her followers has nothing to does with being a Benevolent Boss.
They restored it with explanation that "Fuck shit up" has nothing to does with fucking. Fine, so I properly commented it out for being ZCE and pointed out in edit reason that even Mean Boss can lash on someone for take away their propeties.
Today
, Tropers/lalalei2001 uncommented it and changed the entry to this:
- Benevolent Boss: When Erysichthon caused the death of one of her dryad nymphs, Demeter took revenge by cursing him with insatiable hunger until he ate himself to death.
It's better, actually telling what happen in the story. BUT it still doesn't explain why she's an example of Benevolent Boss, just that she's vengeful when someone kill her follower. One can be abusive toward their own underlings yet angry yet someone else done it.
openA little too much real-life troping on Michael Jackson Music
chizo made some absolutely massive
edits to Michael Jackson's main page, and probably edited some of the subpages as well. Most of these are troping the man himself, and also bloated his page description by a crazy amount. Much of the page description can honestly go with the RL tropes, but I wanted to get consensus before firing up the chainsaw.
openProblematic entry Film
The YMMV page for the Black Panther film has the following entry under Alternate Character Interpretation:
- Is Killmonger a Death Seeker? Besides refusing medical help after his defeat, he always chooses the self-destructive path. He kills his girlfriend and burns the sacred garden, implying that he isn't interested in having an heir or leaving a legacy for himself even though he's a prince with a legitimate claim to the throne. Furthermore, despite having the skills and connections, Killmonger also chose not to follow a more heroic career like becoming a costumed vigilante, entering politics or starting his own company, thus denying himself the chance to help others and live a life of luxury without the needless deaths. The fact that Killmonger pursues self-defeating atrocities implies that he doesn't care about what happens to himself so long as everyone experiences his suffering. This only makes his evil plan more horrifying in hindsight, since it amounts to a murder-suicide as he intentionally wants millions of innocent lives to die alongside him.
The idea that Killmonger is a Death Seeker may be a valid interpretation, but the entry doesn't make its case very well. Most of what it says simply applies to villains in general not using their skills in a better way, and while Killmonger may be willing to die if necessary, he doesn't seem to see his cause as self-destructive. The specific examples the entry cites don't support this either (burning the garden does not affect his ability to have children, and killing his girlfriend was done in order to kill Klaue, which his entire plan depended on). The last sentence seems especially problematic, as it states this interpretation as though it were fact.
Edited by Javertshark13openedit war, self report
Recently deleted some examples from dramedy, including One Piece and Dragon Ball, however I realized when checking the history that I had already removed Dragon Ball previously. Also realised that those examples were added both times by quackytrope. So- my apologies for the edit war, I have pm'd quackytrope to discuss the example and I will be sure to watch more closely for edit wars in the future
Edited by Tremmor19openTroper with Indentation (and other) issues, continues to do so over the course of almost a year
I've noticed a troper by the name of Arachnos continues to break the rules written in Example Indentation in Trope Lists, along with others, since at least February this year.
Here are some of their past violations:
Characters.Hololive Japan Generation Five - Feb 25th
- Sad Clown: Has hints of this but more melancholic and reflective than outright depressed. In a very short video
she explains her motivations for why she's taken up the role of a circus performer.
- Polka: "Don't let people laugh at you. Make them laugh." Those were my father's words. He was a popular ringmaster in our hometown. I loved my father, I really did. That's why I wanted to be in the circus, too.
- This is also implied by the songs she tends to cover. While her original Hologram Circus is about her enthusiasm and love of entertaining others, her later covers tend to feature dark and depressing lyrics set to happy upbeat music. As an insightful YouTube commenter points out:
"1st song, original
- welcomes to the circus and dreams of making a spectacular show
2nd song, cover
- talks about how nobody loves her and how she doesn't love herself
3rd song, cover
- talks about how she smiles and sings through the pain
4th song, cover
- She snaps and is now crazy, doesn't care about what happens, she loves you
hmmm i'm seeing a pattern here"
Along with the standard 2nd-level bullet pitfall; as per Administrivia.Text Formatting Rules -> Quotes Formatting, quotes other than Page Quotes should not be enclosed in quotation marks.
Characters.Hololive English Generation One Myth - May 27th
- Irony: Even though she is a Grim Reaper, she tends to either A) be the first one to die when playing with others or B) almost never get a chance to be the "killer" in Asymmetric Multiplayer games. This happens so frequently that Gura lampshades this trend
during a group playthrough of Phasmophobia:
- Gura: It's kinda ironic how Calli always dies first, even though she's Death. [laughs]
- As an incarnation or deity of death that totes a massive scythe, many expected her to have a Bad Ass, dominating personality. She does come off that way in most of her raps, but that aside, she's more in the "lovable and kind-hearted dork trying and utterly failing to present herself as a cool edgy reaper" territory. Considering that she is a fan of gap moe, this is very likely intentional.
-
- Irony: Just like Calliope, she's one of the holoEN girls whose Eldritch Abomination persona would normally be associated with the darkest implications - Cosmic Horror, madness, the end of the world, and whatnot. You might expect her to be very chaotic or horror-focused, but, despite the occasional moment of casual creepiness or degeneracy, Ina is on the whole possibly the most wholesome, cute and calm member of the EN branch, with Token Human Amelia being arguably more eldritch than she is. It's been joked by her fanbase that Ina's streams tend to restore sanity as opposed to damaging it.
Along with the standard 2nd-level bullet pitfall; as per Sinkhole -> Chained sinkholes, internal links should not be placed right next to each other.
Characters.Hololive Haato Ch - Jul 15th
- Mind Rape: Threatened to pull one on Luna while losing a bowling game:
As per Administrivia.Text Formatting Rules -> Quotes Formatting, Article Quotes should not be enclosed in quotation marks or italicized. Also, the name of the speaker is missing.
WebAnimation.Hololive - Aug 23rd
- American Kirby Is Hardcore: The Japanese cast's characters are all a variation of many different motifs, most of them cute or beautiful. The first generation of English-speaking v-tubers? They all got an Eldritch Abomination motif. Mind you, they're still very cute.
- And the second generation of holoEN outright consists of divine avatars of concepts such as space, time, and nature.
I've fixed all these past entries, but these are only within the hololive namespace, so I have no idea what how many and what other violations they did in other works.
Their most recent ones in hololive are:
Characters.Hololive English Generation Two Council - Dec 2nd
- Irony: Despite being the embodiment of Chaos, she was appointed by the Gods to be The Leader of the Council. In other words, she is responsible for maintaining order among the five.
- Also, despite being an incarnation of Chaos, she is not significantly more chaotic than any of the other four Council members. Sometimes even less so. This leads to a fan theory that Baelz does not so much actively cause chaos as she does attract it, i.e. she is a Weirdness Magnet and her presence warps the other members into becoming chaotic.
Characters.Hololive Haato Ch - Dec 2nd
- Mind Rape: Threatened to pull one on Luna after being taunted by her while losing a bowling game.
- She attempts this again against 6th genner La+ Darkness with her rap dedicated to her
, which also contains the line "Your brain... Haachama-chama!" Unfortunately for Haachama, La+ proves to be a tough nut to crack.
- Sitcom Arch-Nemesis: Has this dynamic with Luna ever since the takoyaki incident.
- More recently, she has this kind of dynamic with 6th gen talent La+ Darkness, whom Haachama took a special interest in
(likely due in no small part to both of them having a chuunibyou aesthetic going on) and tried to "make into her subordinate" by means of a rap to assert her dominance
. However, La+ proved she's not one to be trifled with by responding with a rap of her own
, which proved impressive enough for Haachama to actually admit defeat
.
- More recently, she has this kind of dynamic with 6th gen talent La+ Darkness, whom Haachama took a special interest in
Along with the standard 2nd-level bullet pitfall; as per Examples Are Not Recent, examples that talk about the "recency" of something should always be avoided.
Characters.Hololive Japan Generation Six Holo X - Dec 3rd
- Know When to Fold 'Em: After Haachama challenges her to a rap battle, La+ retaliates with her own rap, defeating Haachama (by the latter's own admission). However, when chat challenges her to do a rap battle with Calliope Mori, the normally arrogant and confident La+ is quick to admit her inferiority in the face of Death itself.
As per Administrivia.Text Formatting Rules -> Quotes Formatting, Article Quotes should not be italicized. Also, the name of the speaker is missing.
I've already messaged them three times about Indentation, as well as once about Quote Formatting, directing them to & informing them about the points mentioned in the Administrivia pages, but I've gotten no response from them.
Given that there has been no improvement whatsoever for so long, it doesn't look like they will give a slightest care about these issues anytime soon unless something is done.
Edited by AsoktencheaopenCut trope being re-added (and other misuse?)
Hodor For King added this to YMMV.Elysium
- Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped: There has been a [[defence https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/whats-the-most-cringeworthy-alternate-history-youve-ever-read.47523/page-758?post=22129077#post-22129077
]]of the supposed lack of subtlety of the film:
Elysium seems stark to us because there's no massive propaganda machine in the movie itself constantly telling us that the system of the people of the Elysium universe Is A Good Thing, Actually. We're not automatically primed to dismiss the concerns of the people of Earth in Elysium in that sense.But let's be honest with ourselves - Elysium is happening right now. Millions of people go without life-saving medical care in America for want of a way for them to personally pay for it. It's not this way because there aren't enough medical resources to go around - America spends more resources per capita than anyone else in the industrial world to get worse health outcomes. It's this way because it is profitable for the ruling class to keep it this way.
I removed it as SANTBD is now a redirect to Anvilicious which is already on the page. They immediately added it back, adding the current quote explains why (still misuse as it's not about the importance/relevancy but the heavy handedness improving the delivery). I just PM'd them about it and they were unaware of it now being a redirect. Letting you know before re-removing, should I re-cut now?
Also, this:
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: General consensus is that the film has a great concept that just wasn't fully fleshed out enough. The director himself agreed.
TWAPGP is about unused plots, not poorly used. It doesn't give enough context to say but I suspect misuse as the Anvilicious entry means the issues are intended to be front and center. Any objections to cutting?
openTabletop Games and/or Magazines?
A question that is starting to bug me: in the "Tabletop Games" folder of tropes, I frequently see (and probably added a few myself) examples related to a roleplaying game, but actually coming from a magazine devoted to it (most often, Dragon for Dungeons & Dragons).
However, should such examples be placed instead in the "Magazines" folder? And when crosswicking, should they go on the Magazine's work page, or the game's?
openEdit War on VideoGame.EldenRing
I brought this up on the unreleased works thread
, but haven't gotten a response. Crossposting here to get more eyeballs on the matter. The issue is this entry on VideoGame.Elden Ring:
- Lighter and Softer: Downplayed, but compared to the other games directed by Miyazaki, the area seen in the network test is positiviely Ghibli-esque,. Whereas the settings of Lordran, Lothric and Yharnam were rotten and dying, the Lands Between are positively brimming with life and light, even if it's only one area. It's still dotted with the ruins of old kingdoms and civilization is clearly on its last legs, but the world itself is doing just fine.
Lighter and Softer is a trope about the overall tone of an entire work, and therefore it seems to me that one would need the entire work to know whether it applies, which we don't have, as the game hasn't been released yet. I deleted it, and troper ~Sana Naryon restored it with the edit reason, "We get to see a portion of the map in the network test, which is far lighter and softer than any area in any other soulsborn game."
So, we've got a couple of potential issues. First, there's no citation in the example text telling where this comes from. Second, I'm skeptical that it's a trope that can be included at all based on preview footage; it's inherently speculative. And third, since Sana Naryon was the person who added it in the first place, restoring it without discussion is an Edit War.
Edited by MaiBaloneyopen Fallout 4's Brotherhood of Steel page Videogame
Hello, fairly recently a mass edit was made to the F4's ECBOS character page, removing almost everything positive about the faction, nuance on the synths and stating that they target sane ghouls and that Tegan's farm mission is officially sanctioned by Arthur despite both being outright false and Tegan himself admitting its the opposite. (This behavior is also what got him locked up, something he also alludes to)
Evidence from Teagen,
Tegan:{very warm / Happy} Step forward, Knight... even though they've locked me in this blasted cage, I promise that I won't bite.
Player Default: "Caps on the side," eh? Doesn't sound like official military business to me.
Tegan:{Thinking} Well, it is and it isn't. It's... complicated.
-source https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/BoSProctorTeagan.txt
Relevant wiki pages for Tegan,
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Teagan
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Feeding_the_Troops
From what I understand reverting it could potentially lead to a edit war, so I decided ask about it here and will notify memetron with the link once the page is up.
Edited by TheSwordsmanopenAssPull Discussion Follow-up Anime
Back in November, I added an entry to the Bleach page relating to an Ass Pull in the final arc. To summarize it as much as I can; a character with an established ability is told that he was using it wrong and that essentially his Guardian Entity had given him a fake name because it deemed him "not worthy". This is told essentially right before the character uses the new power for the first time. The entry is below.
The reveal that Renji's Bankai (Hihio Zabimaru) was actually the result of not using the true name of Zabimaru's Bankai, Sōō Zabimaru, comes out of nowhere in the final arc and doesn't even get a good explanation for why Zabimaru would lie or hide it's true name from Renji for no reason beyond a vague idea of Zabimaru not respecting him enough. The only piece of foreshadowing is if you understand the Meaningful Name of his original Bankai, "Baboon King Snake Tail", versus the true name, "Twin Kings Snake Tail", but not only does that require understanding Japanese or having it flat out spelt out, but the only reason one could guess at the idea is if you interpret the names, which any normal reader would realistically not think of.
Tropers/bandersnitch removed it, citing; "Renji's Zanpakto Spirit is a Nue. A being that is around 90% babboon and 10% snake. Yet his original Bankai was mostly based on the snake, so that was a clue that he hadn't unlocked the full potential of his Bankai."
Nubian Satyress and myself took this to discussion and discussed this with Bandersnitch about how the entry fit, but as of today there has been no follow-up since December 9th.
The only points Bandersnitch argued was that the Meaningful Name and appearance foreshadowed it, but upon reviewing the information, Nubian and myself argued this was Faux Symbolism because, well frankly, this is a medium where a Meaningful Name is used for Rule of Cool moreso then anything.
So this is to get others opinion on it and try and bring this topic to a close. For those wondering, Nubian and myself feel this qualifies as an Ass Pull while Bandersnitch does not.
Edited by keyblade333

Mewtwo now violates Repair, Don't Respond, and they and Kyurem are villains because there actions are excessive and I don't belvice they're treated sympathetically for it (for Mewtwo, until they realize there wrongness and stop). Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres are also not treaded sympathetically admitted to not being an example at the time, making it seem more like Continuity Drift or Franchise Original Sin than this? Thoughts on removing?
There's a dedicated Unintentionally Unsympathetic cleanup, but I still haven't heard back from my last inquiry a month ago.