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openNo Title
On Trivia.Masters Of The Universe Revelation, the following was added by Richardkriener0
:
and was then removed by Zornech
who left the following edit reason:
Likewise this was added by Wolf of Blades
:
and was removed by Krimson Condor King
with the following edit reason:
Both examples were added back by Corvus IX
who did not give any edit reason.
openSelf-promotion spam?
iandroidchris's (note "chris" in the name) only activity on the site are
- Made Creator.ChristopherKenyattaSese-KhalidJr about themselves
- Made Platform.Iandroidchris, which isn't what the namespace is for
- Literature.The 5 Wealthy Research Topicsand Changesforthe Future, cut for being an untropable stub
- Literature.Wealthy Changesforthe Future, cut for being an untropable stub
- making a massive title request
- Now edit-warring too
I feel he's only here to sell his $35 business books on Amazon
with some incomprehensible content, because a quick look shows Chrisopher has made a page about himself on pretty much every website possible.
openVery poor quality edits from Tropers/SubZero008
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/EldenRingDemigodsTwins
They changed the Full-Circle Revolution entry from this,
"Somewhat Downplayed in that his Age of Compassion is halted before it comes to fruition, but Miquella has always sought to end the oppression of the Golden Order and made the Haligtree as a sanctuary for the shunned. Shadow of the Erdtree sees him attempt apotheosis to bring a more peaceful world, yet in doing so, he leaves the fate of the Haligtree uncertain by using Mohg to get him out and let him enter the Land of Shadow. Along his journey, he sets aside everything that he has, including his restraints and capacity to love, which is dangerous when combined with his ability to hypnotically convert others. If St. Trina and both Soreseal descriptions are to be believed, in that becoming a god would only be a guilded cage, Miquella's goals would leave him in a similar state to that of Marika in the Erdtree. Furthermore, it's implied that anyone who would oppose him (like the Tarnished during phase 2 of the Final Boss) would be forced into cooperation via his powers. The Circlet Of Light he leaves is described as the "foundation" of his Age Of Compassion, and a symbol resembling it will appear above anyone caught by the Promised Consort's heart-stealing grab. With a loyal musclebound champion at his side to reinforce his all-controlling era, as both Godfrey and Radagon did for Marika, Miquella offers a system that's just as uncaring and with as many flaws as the original Golden Order he sought to supplant."
To this
"Averted. Despite the absurd conflating from tropers who fundamentally misunderstand the most basic moral dilemnas whenever a story writes a conflict or dilemna that doesn't easily fit into existing tropes or isn't constantly recycled over and over in popular media...Marika's order was founded on and repeatedly enacted genocide for cultural, religious, personal, or even purely racist grounds. Constantly saying Miquella is "just as bad" or "will be just as bad" or "was just as cruel" or all that other idiotic nonsence that blatantly disregards the actual writing in the game is unbelievably wrong. It's like trying to teach three-year old children out of black and white thinking. Miquella spent the vast majority of his life and career trying to directly address the consequences of the multiple genocides and literal world-destroying wars his mother AND his fellow siblings waged - and because he used immoral tactics or used violence as a tool himself, he's suddenly conflated as being "just as bad" as his mother? It's amazing to see how Ranni is being worshipped as a "good counterpart" to Miquella on this website despite literally causing the entire war with no regrets, motivated solely by her personal liberation, and Radahn is likewise worshipped as being a "heroic" lover of war who also enacted mass violence (including flame weapons and torture machines) to pursue his personal goals, and Mesmer who LITERALLY ENACTED GENOCIDE is mourned as a "tragic villain" who "didn't really want to do it"...yet Miquella ALSO using violence for a benevolent end goal is condemned as being the worst of them all? What a fucking joke"
It's not being done on a YMMV page, but the character page. Barring its general inflammatory nature, the spelling mistakes, and the fact they use a lot of unnecessary capital words and swearing, I feel like it just reads like a rant. Should I revert the edit back to the original.
openQuestion on what Useful Notes are supposed to cover.
So, if I'm not mistaken, Useful Notes are supposed to be about explaining complicated real world topics to help media consumers understand context when they see them in works and for writers to help them write difficult topics better. A while ago I came across UsefulNotes.Cult, and the last half of the page is entirely dedicated to offsite resources for more on cults, often about how to recognize real cults and how to avoid joining them. Many of the books referenced are out of print and/or expensive, and many of the links to websites are dead or the sites are inactive, but right now I'm more worried about the "largely for helping people avoid joining cults IRL" angle, because I looked through some of the other Psychology UN pages, and there's others that have problems too. From least concerning to most concerning:
- UsefulNotes.Alcoholism And Alcohol Abuse - This page is entirely written as a help page, but I'm torn on what to do on it because alcoholism is almost never portrayed correctly in media and thus is one of the more warranted UN pages. You could also argue that it's closer to the illness pages like UsefulNotes.Depression or UsefulNotes.Personality Disorders (which I think in general are written much better than the other ones I've listed) and thus has merit to stay as is or close to as is.
- UsefulNotes.Trigger - Most of this is pretty alright, and it has merit to be a UN page as it is technically fanspeak, but it definitely gets a little... heated - "Due to the seriousness of this trigger, it is good Netiquette and being a decent human being to offer at least some warning of suicide, of ruminations on suicide and suicidality, or on things that are guaranteed to be severely depressing and bring out such emotions." This kind of language shows up a couple of times here and other similar pages. Notably, this kinda conflicts with the message we have at the top of this page that says don't add trigger warningsnote and the "guaranteed to be severely depressing and bring out such emotions" part conflicts with what we say later that not all people who are suicidal will be triggered by depictions of suicide. Are we not decent human beings anymore?
- UsefulNotes.Victim Blaming - This page says it's about trying to prevent victim blaming in fiction, but is that really a problem? How often do people unintentionally blame victims in their writing? This is just self-help (and possibly soapboxing) disguised as writing advice. Much of it is just a list of examples of victim blaming, and aside from the weird ones (how is blaming a child for wetting the bed "victim blaming", wetting the bed is a victimless non-crime), I think all of these are fairly obvious from explaining the concept. Also, both this page and the next are very vague on who in situations are "victims" and who are "perpetrators"note for instance, if a car hits and injures a jaywalker they had no chance to avoid, who is the victim? Failure to prevent isn't always a fallacy., and that's confusing at best and a problem at worst.
- UsefulNotes.Abuse - This page doesn't even pretend it's connected to anything related to works of fiction. It's largely about telling abuse victims it's not their fault and how to help yourself/friends get out of abusive situations. There's also this very concerning section in Disability Is An Excuse For Jerkassery: "Furthermore, it is not bigoted or ableist to say that there are certain disorders (primarily Cluster B personality disorders and certain types of bipolar disorder) that should absolutely bar you from dating unless they are properly managed, which means sticking to all prescribed medications and therapy regimens without deviation. Again (because this cannot be stated enough), if you have a disorder that has an extremely high correlation with being toxic or abusive and you are not taking the proper steps to manage it, you have no business being in a relationship." Uh, no, this is actually ableist as hell. This perpetuates the stereotype that the mentally ill (especially people with the "scary" mental illnesses) are a danger to society unless they're sedated into submissionnote not to mention how, especially to someone who, oh, I don't know, is bipolar in a depressive phase, this section might come off as saying that they should avoid any relationships, with anyone, altogether - don't forget that the page isn't just about abuse between romantic/sexual partners, but also toxic friendships, toxic family dynamics, child abuse, elder abuse... this can absolutely send the message that people with mental illnesses should just entirely isolate themselves to avoid their inherent nature to abuse others, and, I'm no expert, but I think that's not a good message?.
We Permanent Red Link Club'ed Useful Notes Suicide Prevention because we decided we weren't qualified to give medical advicenote and because most of the suicide hotlines we were linking to were country-locked, it wasn't fair to visitors who lived in countries where we couldn't find an active suicide hotline. UsefulNotes.Suicide, for what it's worth, is in pretty good shape following its cleanup and locking.. What is our stance on giving self-help on UN pages?
Edited by MissConductopenOn Scorpider77 Videogame
Scorpider77 seems like a good troper in all respects, except one; he seems to have this wonk over Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam 2 and keeps talking about how everyone is clamoring for it and linking to its page.
There's just one problem: the game doesn't exist. While his non Mario edits are fine, anything pertaining to Mario (Bowser Jr.'s Journey, Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam and YMMV.Mario And Luigi Paper Jam, and YMMV.Mario Plus Rabbids Sparks Of Hope, among others) keeps having him throw in references to this nonexistent game, culminating in him making a since-cut page for it on the 11th of this month.
He also DMed me a link to a tweet that allegedly shows the proof of this clamoring (along with saying the game exists and Nintendo hasn't found the time to reveal it, stated with no proof whatsoever), except it's an analytics link - which can only be seen by the person who made the tweet. So he's shilling both himself and a nonexistent game to the detriment of factual information.
open Odd deletions and edit reasons. Live Action TV
So the troper Pikachu 4 Prezident
Has made some deletions with some concerning edit reasons.
- Here.
They deleted a Values Resonance entry I think (I don't know where it was) with an edit reason that states this And as a final point, the whole "men in miniskirts" thing was stupid-looming back then and it still very much looks dumb now. I don't get why everyone feels the need to inject current year politics into their edits...
Theirs also this one.
- where tbf
the entry itself might be kinda a stretch. But his actual edit reason is strange.
There seems to be an agenda here....
Edited by miraculousopenTroper causing a bit of trouble
Troper Lea17 is causing a bit of trouble.
- They created the page Ghoul Detective Series, and have put a lot of zero-context examples on it.
- Most of the examples are written in the past tense despite taking place in the story's present, as far as I can tell.
- They created a Ghoul Detective Series funny moments page despite being told, in an earlier ATT, that this isn't allowed, what with them being the story's writer. (I cutlisted it already.)
- There's some bad grammar. This sentence is an example: "It tells a story where Ken Kaneki, a young half-ghoul who was adopted by Morofushi brothers."
- There was this huge section they added about the trope Tarot Motifs, but the actual trope isn't used in the story itself as far as I can determine. Only in the guide to the story. (To be fair, that guide is a published work too, so it's fine if you disagree with me and add it back.)
- The quotes are super long. I deleted a massive one.
- There's a lot of Word Cruft, with phrasings like "[name] is this."
- Examples often use the phrasing "[name] is this too," even though examples shouldn't refer to other examples.
- The indentation is often done poorly.
openUnjustified edit and edit war on Transgender Fetishization
On Transgender Fetishization, Tropers.Wowowow removed an example
for Kaine from NieR for the reason: "Kaine isn’t transgender. She was born as a woman with both male and female genitals."
This is despite (1) the entry itself acknowledges that she's intersex, and (2) the trope description is very clear that "For this trope, 'Transgender' is being used as a catch-all for many different forms of gender-nonconformity, such as Crossdresser, Ambiguous Gender, Ambiguous Gender Identity, Sex Shifter or others."
When I added the example back citing that the description states this, they then removed the example again with no edit reason.
Edited by NubianSatyressopenSuspicious edits Live Action TV
I know Draco in Leather Pants is in need of TRS; probably there are inconsistencies in its definition and use. Still, I'm pretty sure the proper context for any trope entry needs to say how all of the requirements of the trope are met. For DILP, one of such requirements seems to be that the character in question is a jerk and/or a villain; consequently, I think a DILP entry needs to mention their bad actions. Also, I don't think a DILP entry should actually argue in their favor.
So, on YMMV.Wanda Vision, a Draco in Leather Pants entry saw a series of suspicious tweaks.
- Firstly, they deleted the bit about Hayward refusing to let Wanda bury Vision saying, "the reasons he gives her for why he can't give her Vision's body, that he can't just let a three-billion dollars’ android made of vibranium, an extremely valuable resource In Universe, be buried somewhere, are legitimate reasons that would've kept Wanda from attaining his body independent of Hayward and his Project Cataract plan." This sounds like justifying Hayward's disregarding Vision's will and treating him as a chunk of metal and not a person.
- Secondly, they said in their edit reason, "he did not make an attempt on the twins' lives twice. He only did it once" and cut any mention about that from the entry proper.
Then, Tropers/rva98014 edited
the entry with the edit reason, "Hayward did not plan to use the anomaly from the start to animate White Vision. He discovered Wanda's residual energy would work as a power source and used it." I don't think this explains the removal of the point about Hayward's disinterest in rescuing the townsfolk. Also, I feel that "he is quite willing to ensure Wanda is killed" is quite downplaying the fact that Hayward attempts to murder her by firing a missile at her. (In another reason for deletion
, the same troper cited "generalizations without providing real specifics.")
I edited the entry
to (hopefully) accurately describe Hayward endangering and attacking the kids. I mentioned the speculation about them being hex creations - well, I thought this was interesting; I think the show's final scene implies they are real but saying so in a trope entry would verge on Speculative Troping, so I wrote that this is left ambiguous in the show, erring on the side of caution. I'm sorry about my grumpy edit reason.
Then, Tropers/rva98014 edited
the entry again with the edit reason, "Draco In Leather Pants which is the situation where the fandom takes a controversial or downright villainous character and downplays his/her flaws. An example of this trope simply has to point out how this is occurring. It's not necessary to argue whether the "downplaying" is justified or not." I don't get how the edit reason goes with the edit itself because it removes the part pointing out Hayward's villainous actions but keeps the part that allegedly justifies him.
Then, Tropers/rva98014 made another little edit
with the reason, "I think the "apparently" is needed. Yes he did disregard Vision's will but the story is unclear if he had done this without approval. It would not be the first time that a will was overridden nor were his actions particularly clandestine making it hard to justify "project cataract" was a top secret project no one but he knew about." This doesn't bring any proof from the show proper to back up this speculation. The speculation that shifts the blame from Hayward.
Also, Tropers/rva98014 edited
another entry saying in their edit reason, "Agatha was not running the entire show, she just kept introducing elements of chaos into the scenarios because she was trying to get Wanda out of her pretend world. Sparky was never a real dog either and Agatha knew that she was only "killing" a prop." While the part about Agatha not running the entire show is true, the rest sounds like justifying her, too, and decisively calls Sparky "a prop." IIRC, the show doesn't indicate he isn't a real dog.
There's a mod note on top of the page saying that the guy is "an antagonist meant to be seen as an antagonist," and you should not whitewash him. From these edits, I get the feeling the Draco in Leather Pants entry about him is gradually turning into a self-demonstrating one, what's with cutting bits about his bad actions, downplaying, and justifying them. Should something be done?
open Troper seems to have a problem with "bashing" Fairy Tail.
A troper by the name of Zero Hunter
seems to have a Single-Issue Wonk when it comes to the series Fairy Tail. They appear to be going on to random pages and deleting examples that they believe are "bashing" the series.
I'm sure this would be fine, but I feel a problem arrises when their edit reason only consist of the phrase "Getting rid of pointless bashing." and nothing else, leaving no actual reason as to how these examples are bashing the series. Some examples include this edit
for Ms. Fanservice (which also turned two examples into Zero-Context Examples), outright deleting several tropes
from the series' YMMV page (which have since been restored), and editing other tropers
predictions on the series' WMG page (which, as far as I'm aware, isn't against the rules, but is considered extremely rude), among many other edits.
Basically, I feel this troper may be a problem and should probably be discussed.
Edit: After looking through their edit history a bit more, I've also noticed that Zero seems to do the same with EDENS ZERO (a manga by the same author of Fairy Tail), as seen with their edits
to one of the series' character pages.
Also, while I've tried to avoid being rude in this post, after looking through their edits, I feel at this point I should say this: It seems that Zero's definition of "bashing" is actually "anything I perceive as slightly negative to these series" (even when the trope itself isn't negative in nature).
Edited by lpk675openConcerning Troper
I have some concerns about Maddoxsort and I unfortunately do not know how to approach them.
- The moderators and administrators are to be viewed as apathetic Hanging Judge types. They will not sympathize, only criticize. They will not just micromanage, they will cauterize you like a viral infection. They are relentlessly predatory and will immediately gobble up anybody who causes a negative commotion on the wiki in the slightest. It will always be a Hopeless Boss Fight against them, and the sooner you admit this, the better off you'll be.
And this:
- Overall, this wiki is exacting as heck. Every time you make an edit, it must be useful. If there's no practical reason to add something and you do so anyway, it's already wrong. Like that image you wanted to add on a recap page? Forget it- it's in the way. (Or at least wait a few years until the opposition clears out) If it so much as smells like it's politically charged, it's a full-on declaration of war. If you add content with personal bias or sexually suggestive undertones, it's gonna get swabbed away. And if someone can find a reason to dispute one edit, they find reason to dispute them all. Which leads to a waste of time you could be spending more constructively. And it often leaves me wondering, "Why do I even bother?"Exactly. They say they want you to edit, when in reality, you're just some cog in a machine that you don't get to run. A cog who just contributes a waste of time. And that's just sad.Look, but don't touch.
What I am more concerned of, though, is that Maddoxsort admits on their Troper page to being the creator of Eureka Seven: Paradox Makers—or at the very least, very closely involved in the creation of it. They're pretty much the only Troper to have edited the page, which in and of itself is fine. As we've discussed on ATT before, creators may edit pages for their work. Some of their edits have issues like ZCE and trope misuse, but my main concern is that they are Auto-Erotic Troping on the YMMV page. Maddoxsort has added Author's Saving Throw, Adorkable, Holy Shit Quotient, and Fanon, and in pretty...self-congratulatory ways.
- Holy Shit Quotient: Claire bumps into Gidget by accident. Just seeing one of the most lovable Gekkostate alumni doing great is a really pleasant experience.
- Fanon: This story is basically an expansion pack to the Eureka Seven history tailored for the fandom based on feedback. It's not pandering because the writer has a clear vision of what they want to portray and they aren't wavering from that path.
What brought my attention to this Troper was the edit of another one, Robert TYL, who could also use a talking-to about using YMMV pages to mock works. All their edits under Narm are links to pages from the Webcomic with descriptors like "Here be an action-packed human vs. mecha battle as sketched by an 8 year-old with an aneurysm" and "illustrated by a toddler who found out a ballpoint pen can, in fact, be used for art." Maddoxsort has deleted two so far, with the reason "The jokes are not appreciated, you asshole. At least now I know which ones to redo."
I am unsure of how to broach this situation. I see rudeness in the Troper page and Auto-Erotic Troping, but also Robert TYL breaking the "don't be a dick" rule.
openRude self-recommender.
I caught Bearquarter2008
(also known as Mitchell Movie Productions
) anonymously self-recommending his own fics again on FanficRecs.Dexters Laboratory. When I deleted the fic and sent him a PM telling him he wasn't allowed to recommend his own fics on Fanfic Recs pages (specifically directing him to use the forum thread
linked to on Fanfic Recommendations instead), he responded with a short, rude message.
openIffy AHT entry
- The series regulary downplays, justifies and/or outright ignores the horrors of Communism and Islamic terrorism. Yes, it is Political Correctness Gone Mad taken up to eleven.
Seems overly inflammatory (and possibly inaccurate or at least Vocal Minority) to me.
Edited by Chabal2openSuspected ban evader
Leedo is a new Troper who is exclusively editing the WMG page for Spirit Ideas for Super Smash Bros Ultimate here
. Most of their editing consists of deleting, and their edit reasons made me raise a brow.
"the Zelda CDI Games are not just not canon to the actual timeline nor even feel like zelda games but also the fact that they are popularity hated for good reasons. Also, Something being for fun does not mean it is okay to violate good rules of Smash Bros. So Mods of this website, stop being too strict"
"Kirby Right back at Ya! is an anime, not a video game. Also, Missingno is just a game-breaking glitch, plus is gone from future pokemon games and for good reasons. So stop with the random choices (whether they are for fun or not). Something being Fanon, head canon, or Canon don't even matter to me, you idiots are just using stupid arguments such as "For Fun", "Fanon", and "Fan Ideas" so you can continue making bad choices. I'm not saying these happened nor i am talking them having to be canon although that does not change using stupid arguments "For Fun", "Fan Ideas", and "Fanon" for why you did what you did is make any of bad on the inside. So please stop."
"Donkey Kong Country animated series is a tv show not a video game. Don't tell understand the concept of fanon, when in reality you are only saying that to get us not accept that we cannot always get you want."
I am roughly 99.99999999999% sure that this is a sock puppet of Leirdo, the troper who
was hacking-and-slashing entries on the same page for rules that they unanimously made up, and then, when they were reported, said that everyone who spoke against them were "selfish dumbasses" who deserved "a good slap in the fucking face" and demanded we all apologize and be punished. Same pages, same agenda, still calling other Tropers and mods idiots, and their username is almost exactly the same. Leirdo > Leedo
openIs this a Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment violation?
I think it's pretty obvious that discussing Chris-chan can easily fall under Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, so seeing this in Muse Abuse was a surprise. It appears to be old though, since it still uses Chris' deadname:
"Back in 2006 and 2007, Christian Weston Chandler wrote about his then-"gal pal" Megan, portraying her as a Sailor Soldier head over heels in love with him. Megan wasn't pleased with his assumption that they were in a relationship. Fast-forward to November 2007, when Chris posts a porn drawing of himself having sex with Megan on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Megan sees it and is horrified; Chris defends the art by explaining the sex act to her while missing the point that Megan was not horrified at the act depicted, but rather at the subject of the pic. He later claimed that what she was suffering was nothing compared to what he was going through at the hands of the trolls. She hasn't talked to him since."
It is an awful thing to do and I'm not defending it, but the It's All About Me link and the fact its about a contentious figure make me wonder if it violates ROCEJ.
Edited by SkylaNoivernopen Someone deleted one of my edits and called it "sociopathic".
So, on BrokenAesop.Western Animation, I added an entry for The Loud House episode "Butterfly Effect" that basically boiled down to "The moral is to tell the truth, however, none of what Lincoln imagines was the result of his dishonesty, but rather the accident itself that he considered lying about".
But someone deleted it saying, "Wow, this line of thinking is just... self-centered at best, sociopathic more apt. There's no way to phrase it more nicely."
I'm honestly disturbed that someone would call me sociopathic.
Just so you know, I didn't use any italics, full caps, bold, or emotionally-charged words. I phrased it the way Spock would.
openConcerning Edit History
I first noticed Caesar 44 commenting on a review for the new LOTR show, complaining that it's inaccurate to the original work and the like which while technically true is also somewhat of a dogwhistle, so I dug further... And found some bizarre things. Some of them pointing at an agenda... Others just showing sloppy and problematic behaviors in general. Note that I have not sent a notifier... I wouldn't even know where to begin.
- Deleting an entry from CommonKnowledge.MythsAndReligion without reason
, made worse by it being about the belief that the bible bans homosexuality when it doesn't actually.
- Adding natter as a note tag?
- Doing it again, but ~politically~?
- And again
- Doing that again but then removing it?
- More natter... but as a parabomb this time
, to shake it up, I guess.
- She-Hulk Whining, because obviously
- As it might be obvious by now they have some sloppy behaviors like not putting a space in between the trope and the bullet, and not always starting with capitalization.
- They also got into a weird dispute on WesternAnimation.The Incredibles over the Artistic License – Law entry? Getting all the receipts is hard because of the link glitch and the fact that it's like 6 AM here and I want to end this report preferably before the sun comes up? Anyway what happened was that they added an entry about the early-movie lawsuit which was deemed to not count by consensus, and the entry was eventually hidden with a large tag saying "don't add", and then they removed the comment markup but not the note itself????
And this has been my deep-dive into a concerning troper. Thoughts? Should I try sending a notifier? I mean the editing issues are all bad, sure, but what concerns me most is the clear political wonkery they're engaging in, and that can't be solved with a PM, nor do I want to see them flame out.
openAuto-erotic troping and possible ban evasion
For a while, Gory Toons and its subpages frequently showed up in the recent edits list thanks to them being constantly edited by Happy Tree Sponge and Spongebob Fan 808. Now, this isn't a problem in and of itself, but when I looked at Spongebob Fan 808's troper page out of curiosity, I found a claim that they were the creator of Gory Toons; the statement has since been deleted, though it's still visible
in the page's history.
The reason why I bring this up is because they made several edits to the YMMV page over the past couple of months (1

On 1/01 Mr Heroes added the following meme to the Fate/Grand Order meme page:
On 1/04, Rebel Falcon removed it with an unusually hostile edit reason spread across a few minutes:
Now in the first instance, this was done because it appears Rebel may have submitted their edit early, cutting off the message as the first of three edits has this edit reason: For the last time, ''Muramasa is Shiro".
However, the third entry was made after the second, more detailed one, and was close to ten minutes later. The meme itself is probably fine being removed but the edit reason is very hostile and leaves me concerned since this is something I've noticed seems to be a recent trend of there's.
For example, on the RWBY page, they readded an entry on 1/03 that was removed with the following edit reason: "Don't remove shit without giving a reason."
I've not had much interaction with Rebel except for once but I wanted to mention it since this hostility is concerning. Not to suspend them concern, more so just a "Hey, everything okay?" kind of concern.
Edited by keyblade333