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openRough grammar
stemy has rough grammar— examples:
Some had already been corrected, I fixed the rest, but I checked and there are serious errors in basically every edit they've made, so it seemed worth a report
Edited by Tremmor19openPoor punctuation
KiraKiwi410 has a habit of putting spaces before punctuation on wiki pages. Examples can be found here
, here
, and here
. I've taken it upon myself to clean up after them, but they keep doing it. Strangely, they use good punctuation sometimes. I wonder if they're doing it on purpose, it's just a compulsive habit, or they're editing on mobile, as that can sometimes mess up punctuation.
Edit: They've done it again
openPossibly racist part of Hollywood Cuisine?
Here's the part I'm talking about:
- Indian: Tends to be so spicy it burns a hole in the diner's guts (somewhat Truth in Television).
It's the part in parentheses that I'm not sure about; claiming that it's true that Indian food "burns a hole in the diner's guts" doesn't sit well with me. That said, I'm not Indian myself, and I'm aware that the whole trope is about stereotypes.
open"Non-visual" webcomic? Webcomic
So, Webcomic.Bill Nye The Russian Spy is a page.
And it describes itself as a "non-visual" webcomic and the only link is to the text-based Archive of Our Own.
I assume we don't allow fanfics to be in the webcomic namespace if someone calls it a "non-visual webcomic" so I would just move it to fanfic... but honestly, the page is created and maintained by a vandal and troll
so I don't know if that's even valid. Their edits are generally so uniformly detached from reality that I can't in good conscience make a page for this work using their words, and I'm not going to read the fic just to make the move and ensure that their edits are accurate.
Thoughts?
openIs this an edit war?
So, on YMMV.Deadpool And Wolverine I removed
this entry:
- WTH, Costuming Department?: As great as it is to finally see Jackman wearing the Wolverine cowl, the item ultimately looks cheap and rubbery. One can't help but understand why it hasn't been employed in live-action before.
I removed because most fans liked the mask, and I couldn't find anyone claiming that it looked bad or cheap. However, then I looked through history and found that I removed this
Narm Charm entry that was very similar (and I forgot about):
- Narm Charm: Wolverine's suit on its own doesn't look bad in live action, but the mask is a little ridiculous and has some impractical features, like covering Logan's eyes. But when he put it on, many in the audience, and Deadpool himself, love it anyway despite or because of how ridiculous it looks and because they have waited since 2000 for this to happen.
It was removed per Narm thread
. Now they are not exactly the same and they are different tropes, so I don't think I edit warred, but I wanted to make sure.
openPlease help me compose a note Web Original
This might be yet another futile attempt, but I would like to enforce "Please state the character(s)" in Characters.SCP Foundation (the skips sheets, other sheets are doing fine). One major problem with them is that people troping someone else instead of the character in the header.
For example, SCP-5000 used to be filled with tropes belong to the Foundation (which has its own sheet) despite the SCP-5000 is (from the article itself) "a non-functional mechanical suit identified within its internal schematics as an 'Absolute Exclusion Harness' designed by the SCP Foundation."
This is likely stem from how the site march on with style. While many articles are named after the object itself, but some don't. (Although this isn't something new, although it didn't cause problem before because at least the object will be the center of the story. But many new articles on SCP Wiki are now a tale in skip guise.) For examples, said SCP-5000 is called "Why" while SCP-4000 is called "Taboo", neither is the name of the object. So I guess that's how tropers think "Anything is ok if they appears in said story.", and so we got purely narrative tropes list in character sheet (For example, here's one from Characters.SCP Foundation SC Ps 3000 To 3999:
- Apocalyptic Log: Most of what the foundation knows about the interior of the store comes from a journal carried by a man who spent several months inside before managing to escape, only to get killed by one of the staff shortly after.
Mind you, SCP-3008 object is an IKEA store as Eldritch Location. The journey is written by a man trapped in it but not the direct result of its anomaly, so the trope is clearly not belong to the IKEA store itself.)
I did add some "Tropes associated with X" to handful of skips entries because I think it should resolve some issue. People should at least aware of who or what they're troping and it can cover other one-shot character who's only has major role in one skip (for example, the aforementioned SCP-5000 has a good chunk of the story being about a character called Pietro Wilson who used that suit even if he isn't skip itself). The 3008 above? Troping "people trapped inside" (or the "store and people trapped inside") would allow that misplaced trope to stay with minor edit. Plus, that's how other sheet done. When troping a Stage 2 of video games, we add "Tropes associated with mini-boss" and "Tropes associated with stage boss" if they're stand out.
Unfortunately, it isn't done to all entries yet because, as noted, not all articles are named after the character and so I need to look up the article first (and with articles getting longer these days...). Also, even when it's done with the character's name clearly stated, some people just ignore it anyway and that's discouraging.
But lets try a gain, put a big bolded notification of "Please state the character before troping." on the top of skip sheet and see if it would help. Although I cannot write a good message and need help here.
Edited by KuruniopenI think I'm edit warring by accident.
So earlier today I was going through The Devil Wears Prada when I saw this entry:
- Vanilla Protagonist: Andy is an alright protagonist, having her funny and likable moments, but it's widely agreed that Miranda is far more interesting and entertaining, completely stealing the show from her. It's telling that even though some believed her role was a supporting one, one, Meryl Streep was nominated for Best Actress instead of the true lead Anne Hathaway.
I remember reading that this trope has to be intentional, and the entry itself admits that she is still quite likable and has some funny moments. So I removed it here
, but then I recently saw that it was originally a zero context entry I hid here
. Which I forgot I hid. Now the entry was originally added by RiceRomp here
, and they are the one who unhid and expanded it here
. I message them about it, and meant to before I removed it to explain how the trope needs to be intentional, but forgot to before hand. And this was before I remembered that I originally hid it.
So I think I am edit warring by mistake. Did I? If I am I fully take responsibility, and accept the consequence.
Edited by BullmanopenRemember 103pmaL?
This user got bounced from TV Tropes back in 2013 for adding false information. His edits can be found here
, but, strangely, the ones below (albeit since edited/corrected by others) are still lingering on this site.
(This is gonna be a long one, so...)
- Many live-action shows on Nickelodeon do this - a lot. Below are a few examples...
- The Amanda Show's theme song was essentially the Wizard's Peak theme from Spyro The Dragon With Lyrics.
- Drake & Josh used "I Found a Way" by Drake Bell.
- Unfabulous used "Unfabulous" by Jill Sobule.
- Zoey 101 used "Follow Me" by Jamie Lynn Spears.
- iCarly uses "Leave It All To Me" by Miranda Cosgrove and Drake Bell.
- Victorious uses "Make It Shine" by Victoria Justice.
- Sam & Cat uses "Just Fine" by Backhouse Mike.
- Crossover: Drake & Josh had a crossover with Zoey 101 and Unfabulous in which a hurricane strikes the shows' respective towns - San Diego, Malibu and Santa Barbara. The three-part special was originally scheduled to air in May 2006, but due to the massive tornado outbreak happening at that time, it ultimately didn't air until October of that year.
- "Do It Yourself" Theme Tune: Starting with the episode "iWill Date Freddie", Miranda, aka Carly, sings the theme tune.
- Replaced the Theme Tune: Avril Lavigne and Drake Bell sang the theme song, titled "Leave It All To Me" — that was until the episode "iRock with Drake Parker" in which Carly sang Avril's vocals at the end of the episode. Then, a version of "Leave It All To Me" by Miranda Cosgrove and Drake Bell became the top-downloaded song on iTunes for the week, and coincidentally, the Avril Lavigne version was dropped starting with "iWill Date Freddie". Promptly, this ended Nickelodeon's aversion of Disney Channel's tradition of Do It Yourself Theme Tunes.
Sam & Cat is the first Nick show to use an actual song as its theme song since 2007.
Until 2007, Nickelodeon used a lot of hit songs for its sitcoms, such as Simple Plan's "I Found a Way", (Drake & Josh), Nerf Herder's "Girl Next Door" (Unfabulous), JoJo's "Follow Me" (Zoey 101), and Green Day's "American Idiot" (Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide).- That changed when the producers of iCarly dumped Avril Lavigne from the opening titles in favor of Miranda Cosgrove, and now Nick follows the lead of Disney Channel in using DIY theme tunes.
- Hopefully for fans, this may be the last time they might hear an actual song in the opening of a Nick sitcom.
- Since 2007 note (and even before that), Nickelodeon does this a lot too. Miranda Cosgrove sings the theme song to iCarly (starting with "iWill Date Freddie"), Victoria Justice sings the theme for Victorious, Keke Palmer sings the theme for True Jackson, VP, Big Time Rush sings the theme for... Big Time Rush, Brec Bassinger sings the theme for Bella and the Bulldogs, and Kel Mitchell sings the theme to Game Shakers. Older Nickelodeon series include the entire cast performing the theme to Eureeka's Castle.
- Only one Nick series averts this: Sam & Cat, whose theme song used is a Real Song Theme Tune: "Just Fine" by Backhouse Mike.
- Season two of My Babysitter's a Vampire has Vanessa Morgan singing the theme song, "Girl Next Door" (which was sung by Nerf Herder in season one, and also used for the Nickelodeon show Unfabulous)
- Real Song Theme Tune: Jamie Lynn sings the theme song, titled "Follow Me".
openThe thin line between webcomic and web-manga
This is an issue that has been raised several times over many years and involved works that I edited heavily (for example, Daily Lives of High School Boys and Kotoura-san), that is, how to handle manga that started online.
I know we have a consensus that an online preview, by itself, does not change the work's namespace, which is why the two works named above are still in the Manga/ namespace, because from day one they are intended to be published on paper, but released online-first.
What I am confused are works like I Can't Understand What My Husband Is Saying and I Think Our Son Is Gay. They were originally serialized on Pixiv (and in the latter case, Twitter as well). However, they are collected and published on paper eventually. Should they be Manga-namespaced, or they should—following the precedent of Hetalia: Axis Powers—be put into Webcomic/ ? Or even in Web Original/ like Getsuyoubi No Tawawa?
A third case is even more complicated. Wasteful Days of High School Girls was originally published as webcomic (on Nico Nico Douga), but eventually no longer published that way; most of the series is published in anthologies like traditional manga. How should it be namespaced?
Edited by SamCurtopenJerks Are Worse Than Villains- Order Of The Stick
Found this massive rambly example on Jerks Are Worse Than Villains and I'm, uh...not sure what to do with it.
- Author Rich Berlew deconstructs this trope more than a few times in The Order of the Stick. The main example is that with Xykon, the series' Big Bad. While he has plenty of humorous line and charismatic (appropriately enough, he's an epic-level Sorcerer and thus, would have high Charisma), the author works to ensure that he never becomes a Draco in Leather Pants or Laughably Evil. For Xykon, it's the fact that at his core, he's just an older and undead version of that sort of creepy kid who always derived sadistic pleasure from ripping wings off of flies or frying ants with a magnifying glass. He just now applies the same to a much broader group because of his power, relishes in being evil and has no standards in it (outside of engaging in a physical relationship with a living being, though that's because he's not a "digusting biophiliac" and thus more a matter of "grossness" than moral quandry). He discusses this in Start of Darkness, which served as his and Redcloak's backstories:
Rich Burlew: Writing a story centered around your main antagonist is sort of difficult, because you risk "devillainifying" them. Yes, I just made that word up. What I mean though, is that once an audience has read all about a character's life, with all of their personal struggles and trials and tribulations and such, it's more difficult to see the character as the Big Bad. My challenge here was to tell the story of Xykon's life without making Xykon even slightly sympathetic. I mean, he's wholly and unapologetically Evil, but more to the point, he's kind of a dick.
- Miko Miyazaki plays with this, as part of an experiment with Berlew on whether he could make a Lawful Good paladin an antagonist to the group. He does so by her being a Well-Intentioned Extremist, who's extensive devotion has led her to becoming isolated from most of everyone (her only friend is her steed Windtriker) which just leads her to focus only on her mission. She dies a fallen Paladin who's inteferrence was a large blow to the good guys and the founding spirit of her order tells her that she did not earn her redemption, but her attempt at something means she might reunite with Windstriker. She manages to have some touching last words before dying.
- General Tarkin meanwhile was made to be her Foil. He is shown to be a Crazy-Prepared Genre Savvy Lawful Evil individual who presents himself as a Noble Demon and shares many of the endearing similarties as his son, Elan does. However, he is still a villan and it becomes clear that he's a very selfish and self-centered individual who's morality runs more on using tropes in a traditional sense. He has trouble accepting he isn't in charge. He shows little to no remorse when he kills his other son in Nale, who he raised to be villainous, though he also notes he did it to avenge his best friend Malack and Nale's own pride did him in there because he had to be dumb enough to brag about it. Then he goes off the deep end and shows how ruthless he is to force Elan into what he thinks the proper roles should be and he's disregarded as such an Arc Villain rather than the Big Bad he thinks he is. While Miko is introduced disdainfully yet there is tragedy in her parting, Tarkin is introduced affably and with good reputation, but by the end, his igoble defeat where he is left impotent is a large Catharsis Factor.
- Tsukiko may be this too. Appearing first in March 2007, she is a Parody Sue with plenty of Common Mary Sue Traits: Heterochromatic eyes, great beauty, skimpy clothing, unusually skilled for her young age, Japanese name meaning "moon child", believing she was oppressed (mainly because of her necrophilia). Given how she came out when Twilight was at its peak (just before the films though when the books were being completed), the implications are there. She shows advancements toward Xykon, little respect toward Redcloak (though given how she was initially decent with him and he brushed her off when she notified she was employed before leaving her to be killed by his chlorine elemental, not surprising in retrospect) and no one misses her when she's gone, except the Monster in the Darkness, who laments that all she wanted was someone to care for her and the fact no one did added to the tragedy. Berlew notes her creation of undead who will do what she wants and say what she wants to hear is a way to stay in her own litle world anod have to not deal with others. This was the result of her being hurt by a lot of people in the past.
Indentation issue aside, it bills itself as a "deconstruction", but this is YMMV.
Most of this seems to be added by DVB.
Edited by WarJay77openTime Paradox Ghostwriter
I have, on occasion, tried to add tropes to Time Paradox Ghostwriter that were a bit more critical of the series. Most of my edits have been undone by Fishysaur for various reasons. Some of the reasons made sense, I am admittedly not that great of a troper. Others kind of sound like he's Willfully Blind to the series' faults. To avoid things escalating into a full-on edit war, I have not confronted him (outside of a discussion thread from months ago), and have not reversed any of his edits.
- I added Mis-blamed, mentioning the popular claim that the "plagiarism controversy" was the sole reason it got cancelled despite there being other things about it that could have contributed to its failure, citing a video by Replay Value that breaks it down. fishysaur removed it because it was "just 'fans are wrong for liking it'", which wasn't what I wrote at all.
- EDIT: This was misuse, my mistake. I also forgot bringing it up before. Like I said, not a great troper.
- Under They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot, I added how the series didn't even attempt to go further into the future Jump issues, specifically citing how the Author Comments could have played a role. fishysaur removed it because it was "pretending to do things a Cut Short series couldn't have done", but there's no actual reason why the series couldn't at least broach the subject earlier.
- I added Broken Aesop (first on the YMMV page itself, which was my mistake, and then on the trope page), citing how Teppei's message for Aino (it's impossible to create a manga the whole world can enjoy) at the end might have come off as hollow due to White Knight never being criticized in-universe. fishysaur removed it in both places, the first time expressing confusion over how I got that Aesop, and the second time denying that the Aesop was in the story at all. (The fact that he knew to look for it on the trope page indicates that he might be stalking my edits.)
Apologies for the long post. I acknowledge that it could very well be me who's in the wrong.
Edited by MaximumBurninationopenBrewing Edit War: Self Rpeorting Anime
There are some issues ongoing in the https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/YuGiOhSEVENS
page revolving around the Broken Base entry. Namely about the use of a 'repetitive duels' part of the B.B.
Main argument point being my 'this is what people are saying in reaction the duels' versus 'repetitive duels are hardly just Sevens'.
It's going back and forth at this point between myself and Jackpot 21 and should probably get a intervention sooner rather than later.
openDesignated Hero and Villain in Wonder Woman 1984 Film
The YMMV page of Wonder Woman 1984 places both Wonder Woman and the Cheetah as Designated Hero and Villain, respectively, under the following arguments:
- Designated Hero: At its worst, the film makes Steve Trevor out to be more of a heroic figure than Diana herself, particularly where it comes to Steve's situation. From using the body of the "Handsome Man" for sexual activity without any ability to consent (which is sexual assault and/or rape) to her reluctance to ever let this nameless man have his own life back instead of keeping Steve possessing him, she is rather selfish overall, with it being Steve insisting on her going to save the world from catastrophe. Much like the prior film chronologically, she only allows someone or something she truly desires to leave when the object of desire itself says so while telling of her heroism, showing that if she actually has a possible penalty to her actions personally on an emotional level, she would more likely not suffer said consequences at the expense of the world unless forced to.
- Designated Villain: Barbara's wish to be like Diana is completely understandable given her circumstances. She's overlooked by almost everyone at work despite her positive qualities such as her sweetness and her knowledge. She had to rely on Diana to save her from a rapist, with the only lesson said rapist learned from the encounter was that Barbara was powerless on her own. Steve then tells Barbara and Diana that anyone who made a wish on the stone must renounce it regardless of their reasons for making the wish. Diana agrees with Barbara that they just can't do that; they are both reluctant to renounce their wishes. It doesn't help that Barbara's wish is corrupting her mind, while Diana's own wish is for reasons that seem frivolous in the big picture (see Designated Hero). Adding to all of this is that Barbara's less-sympathetic moments only ever kicked in during moments when selfishness would be a natural reaction. For what it's worth, Diana never sees Barbara as a villain and keeps trying to reason with her; Barbara momentarily stops attacking Diana on seeing the latter renounced her wish.
Okay, I have to ask, are these arguments valid? I did watch the movie, personally I believe these arguments to be flawed. The movie goes out of its way to make Wonder Woman realize it's selfish of her to keep her wish, especially because of the price she has to pay. As for Cheetah, she she never visibly renounces her wish even after seeing the consequences the collective wishes of humanity are having on the entire world.
I know that YMMV pages are meant to be opinionated, but it looks like there are people who using this particular YMMV page to voice their grievances with this movie and I would like to remind everyone that TV Tropes and the Internet are not your personal echo chambers you can use to say whatever you want and not expect any consequences.
So, what do you think?
Edited by MasterHeroopenStock Parody Jokes
I think Stock Parody Jokes may need a cleanup. Some of them are just making comments about the quality of a work (such as "the Super Mario Bros movie is bad" or "the later SpongeBob seasons are just mean-spirited grossout") instead of specific kinds of jokes parodies do.
Also, some of the examples are getting redundant (nearly every work with anthropomorphic animals has a "the show is furry bait" example), and there's even an example related not to the work, but to the author ("HP Lovecraft was racist" is listed under the Cthulhu Mythos in the Literature page, even though that's a joke about Lovecraft himself, not the Cthulhu Mythos).
openCan this be reviewed, please?
So flblbl has just made a very big edit to the Transgender Useful Notes page here
. I wanted to ask if other Tropers could review it and see if it's all good—I know this topic has been under a lot of discussion on the wiki as of late.
I'm also a bit wary because the edit reason contains "did delete a bunch of stuff that was just weird cis scientific voyeurist crackpot theories and self-congratulatory pats in the back"
But anyways, I'm a cis person who isn't well versed in this subject AT ALL so I'd appreciate some others' input.
Edited by iamconstantineopenEdit war on Characters/MyHeroAcademiaSchoolFacultyAndStaff
Courtesy link: My Hero Academia - School Faculty and Staff, history
The following entry has been removed and re-added multiple times:
- Forgotten Fallen Friend: She is completely forgotten about almost immediately after her death, with no one shown mourning or even acknowledging it. Even Aizawa, her childhood friend, bluntly states that it doesn't matter and they have "more important things" to worry about.
- It was first added by Some New Guy on April 24, 2021
- It was then removed by Bio Yu Gi on June 24, 2021, with the edit reason "She is very visibly mourned by the students"
- It was then promptly re-added by Some New Guy the same day, with the edit reason "Yeah they mourned her for about a single panel before the cast and the story itself acted like she never even existed."
- Then removed by jdixon0151 today, with the edit reason "Her death was acknowledged by present mic, and it has not been that many chapter since then, so we really can't just say she has been forgotten or that the story is acting like she never existed in the first place"
So in addition to the edit war they are holding a discussion in the edit reasons.
Edited by SynchronicityopenAccentuating the Negative
I feel like Website.Tumblr has an overly negative feel to it. Most of the tropes seem to talk about how banning adult comment resulted in tons of other problems. It feels like said problems are the focus of the trope page itself.
(Sorry if this isn’t making sense, I’m sleep-deprived.)
openEdit war and poor grammar
This
page is undergoing an edit war between shuniya and Kazukowitha K over the House Husband trope. Kazuko keeps re-adding it, and shuniya keeps deleting it.
Now, this in and of itself I'm sending a notifier to shuniya about, but I'm worried about Kazuko especially because of their poor grammar and punctuation. They also improperly capitalize tropes (leading to red links or no links at all) and pothole trope names. Example:
- ......And That Little Girl Was Me: When Victor tells something about his past about little girl in his past to heroine in chapter 10 about the kidnapping incident, he remembers about her saving his life only to be taking away shortly afterwards. The heroine did not know she was the same girl who protected him but Victor got a gut feeling after she remembering a pathway out of the building. After the heroine protected him again as adults, he finally found the same girl, whom he was looking for the past years.
So I'm unsure of how to approach a Troper who is edit-warring, potholing, and has bad grammar and punctuation issues.
EDIT: Editing to add that after messaging shuniya, who has apologized for their part in the edit war, they've stated that Kazuko has ignored their PM's regarding the matter as well.
Edited by iamconstantineopenOn JoJo's Bizarre Adventure's Ensemble Dark Horse page. Anime
A few days ago, a troper by the name of 227someguy made two edits to the Ensemble Dark Horse page to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Personally, I feel that these two edits were unjustified and should be reverted back, but from what I understand, doing that would be considered starting an Edit War, so I decided to come here and get other people's opinion on it.
In their first edit, they removed the bolded line from this example:
"One of the earliest examples: Robert Edward O. Speedwagon. Despite the fact that he can't use the Ripple and doesn't fight (Zeppelli even notes that he's more or less useless despite his friendship with Jonathan), he's popular with Western and Eastern fans alike. Must be his Nice Hat. In fact, he's arguably the biggest example of this in the series. Even though it's been several years since he's been relevant in the story (either in the manga or the anime adaptation) he still maintains a devoted fandom."
Their justification for this was that this was a case of Examples Are Not Arguable. However, Examples Are Not Arguable seems to only apply when the example itself is being argued, which isn't the case here (Speedwagon is most definitely an Ensemble Dark Horse), rather, what can be argued is that Speedwagon is the most notable example of an Ensemble Dark Horse in the series.
In their second edit, which is the one I'm more opposed to, they changed a sentence to refer to the character Cioccolata as an Evil Counterpart to the character Giorno to instead refer to him as Giorno's foil, citing it as a case of Square Peg, Round Trope. Personally, I do not see how that is the case, as Evil Counterpart is defined as an evil character who shares traits with a heroic character, which I feel Cioccolata fits the bill for (both him and Giorno are intelligent men who use a polite demeanor to hide their hidden violent sides, and both have abilities based around directly manipulating life).
Basically, I'd like to get some other's opinions on these edits and see whether or not they should be changed back.
Edited by lpk675

I'm trying to find when the decision that Better Than Canon is no longer allowed on YMMV pages was made, as I recently got a notification that amounted to "It's not allowed on YMMV pages anymore, only on the page itself" and I'm like... since when? I remember seeing it on the SAO Abridged page less than six months ago. It doesn't make sense that its disallowed since its inverse, Canon Defilement, is still allowed.
What's the point of having a wiki-like format if we're not allowed to have links to pages from other pages?
Edited by PhyrexianAjani95