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openPossible edit war - Creator/JKRowling
This one might be a borderline case in terms of the edit itself, but in context it seems worth flagging.
Back in March, following guidance from GastonRabbit, the intro paragraph on J. K. Rowling regarding Rowling's views on trans rights was cut back to a short summary
that tried to keep things factual and avoided weasel words or emotive language. This was agreed via the ROCEJ thread.
A comment was later added advising tropers to check with the thread before making unilateral changes on this.
On April 9th, PatTron made two changes
to that part of the intro - adding a reference to "massive controversy" and changing the "racist tropes" reference to "questionable tropes".
An 'Ignored Comment' notifier was sent, but the view on the thread was that folk were comfortable keeping 'questionable' phrasing. I removed the "massive controversy" line and reverted to the original wording for that sentence, though.
(The thread was very quiet at the time and there was no consensus/comment on that aspect - so reverting to the last version that did have consensus seemed safe)
Today PatTron has added
the "massive controversy" phrasing back into a different sentence within the same para, this time with edit reason "Had to include the word "controversy" elsewhere in the paragraph".
Again, there's been no engagement with the ROCEJ thread, and I've not seen any reply on the notifier message.
Edited by Mrph1openCharacter is unmentioned and doesn't appear, yet has folder
This is about the character of Daeron Targaryen, located on Characters.House Of The Dragon Greens. He hasn't appeared in S1, isn't mentioned at all beyond a vague allusion, and was retroactively mentioned in the supplementary website only after the first season ended. Yet he has a folder that's been added/removed a couple of timesnote Counting the initial location of the fam at Characters.House Of The Dragon House Targaryen.
This is his The Ghost entry, which seems to be straining to justify the folder's existence:
- The Ghost: Daeron doesn't appear on-screen in Season 1 and most references to him were removed - except for one brief reference in the Season 1 finale when Daemon states that the Greens have four dragons (Daeron's dragon Tessarion being the fourth). The official HBO website's family tree was updated to include him after the Season 1 finale. Both Ryan Condal and George R.R. Martin himself confirmed in interviews that he exists in the TV continuity and will appear in Season 2: the explanation is that, as in the books, at the time period corresponding to the end of Season 1 he's away in Oldtown squiring for his Hightower cousins, so he wasn't part of the King's Landing storyline. They also avoided having anyone state exactly how many children Alicent has (such as "all three of my children" etc.) - compare this to how Game of Thrones Season 2 self-consciously avoided saying "Stannis has no children", but said "Stannis has no sons", to later introduce that he does have a daughter.
Season 2 of House of the Dragon is, however, publicly still in the writing stage and plans could very well change. Remove this and leave a note saying not to add it back until he actually shows up?
open Potential Complaining Agenda
Ok, I hope I'm not making a mountain out of a molehill here since I'm not sure if this is serious enough to warrant a report, but over the past week on ScrappyMechanic.Genshin Impact (starting with this edit
), I noticed that Konoe Jerry has been making constant edits on the banner entry to talk about certain characters getting shafted for reruns, with particular mention going to Eula, whom they seem to have a personal attachment for. Initially I didn't find this a big deal at first, but overtime, their followup edits on the entry to put more emphasis on Eula have become more pronounced, with their most recent edit's edit reason
("And here I am, still waiting for Eula") making it obvious that they have some type of complaint agenda going on which appears to be motivated by saltiness.
Look, I get they're frustrated that Eula didn't get a rerun for so long (that's something all Genshin fans, myself included, experience), but I'm concerned that they'll continue using the page to vent about it until the time when (or if) she gets one, and it may get out of hand.
Edited by VintageEmmaopenDark Universe
So I am not totally sure if this has been asked before but this has kept bothering me so I feel like I should bring it up.
So we currently have a page for the Dark Universe and I am honestly wondering if it is really worth actually keeping around. Technically the universe was planned to be a thing but it got scrapped after only a single movie the page itself barely has any info and is mostly just covering stuff that might have happened or stuff that happens in The Mummy, the only film that got released. The Invisible Man (2020) isn't actually part of this universe.
The page itself has a very small amount of entries for the index, only covering The Mummy, 4 tie-ins to that film and mentioning some cancelled films, most of the important stuff being already covered on The Mummy franchise page. Like it is really weird to consider this a universe worth a page when there is basically only one installment. I will admit I have made a page like this before but it did at least have more than one installment.
openIs this an Edit War
So on YMMV.Tomorrowverse brightfan99 added
this Fandom Rivalry entry.
- A minor example with the DC Animated Movie Universe, considering that most fans of the Tomorroverse are fans of DC's animated films in general, but some DCAMU fans have expressed disappointment that the franchise ended not long after Growing the Beard as they feel there were more stories to be told. In contrast fans of Tomorrowverse feel that the DCAMU only had a few genuinely good films, with the rest either being mediocre at best or boring at worst, while the new Shared Universe is a breath of fresh air that doesn't limit itself to one specific era of DC's history as well as having a reduced focus on Batman (who appeared in the first eight DCAMU films while five films in the Tomorrowverse has only used him for his two-parter).
I removed the "A minor example"
because it's not really a minor example in my experience and we aren't supposed to trope minor YMMV reactions from what I have been told.
brightfan99 without discussing it anywhere added "A small one"
. Which while not the exact same wording means the same thing.
I don't know what to do here.i ultimately do not care about the wording as ultimately I think I left it weirdly phrased by my original removal now that I think about it but this feels like it is now an Edit War considering the other troper added nearly the exact same wording without discussing it anywhere. But I want to get some more opinions.
Edited by Bullmanopen Obvious Beta misuse?
VideoGame.Pokemon Scarlet And Violet:
- Obvious Beta: The game launced in a very buggy state, with serious framerate issues and loads of glitches in the game quickly making rounds on social media.
It was deleted citing "the trope description itself says that the Obvious Beta trope is not meant for a game with bugs and it's only for games that are really unplayable. if it's really unplayable, there wouldn't have been players who finished the game earlier and share spoilers for the ending of scarlet and violet beforehand."
This was added back by a separate troper.
- Obvious Beta: While the game itself is technically still playable, there are numerous performance issues, ranging from frame drops, textures framing to load, models clipping through each other, and many other, more specific glitches, up and to including game crashes.
The first paragraph on the Obvious Beta page states "Attention: This trope is ONLY meant for games that are genuinely nigh unplayable at release. A few missing features, oversights and bugs do not count." Only the crashes part counts but I'm not sure if it's common enough to count.
What to do?
openWondering about these Edits
Before I continue, I want to note several things. Firstly, this post contains spoilers for Amphibia. Next, this post is rather long, though that's more of a heads-up if anything.
Two days later however, Derv0s B 2 made an edit
to the page and one of the changes they made was removing the Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse entry under the edit reason, "Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse only applies when it's an In-Universe callout, which Andrias never gets — the closest we get is Anne telling him he's evil in 'True Colors' after receiving a very limited and self-biased account of his motivations, and Andrias himself admitting that he's gone too far".
Then on August 3rd, the entry was brought back
again by Cartoon LGB Tfanofall Time under the explanation, "Readd Freudian Excuse is no excuse, as the part where he's admitted he's too far gone also counts.". This was what the entry looked like:
My reasoning for making this post is that I'm curious if this counts as an Administrivia.Edit War. And, if it is an Edit War, which troper was edit warring or if it was both of them. (For the record, I'm aware that something it doesn't count as an Edit War if you bring back an entry and you fix why it was removed in the first place.) Finally, I am aware that I could be jumping the gun. And, if I am, please tell me. Thanks for reading all this.
EDIT: I tried further revising this.
Edited by MacronNotesopenTroper Ignoring Notifiers
I'm back. I would like to report that Dat Boi 10 has been ignoring any notifiers I send them. For the record, I sent them a PM about this about a couple days ago. However, I haven't gotten a response to either any my PM or any of my notifiers.
The most recent notifier I sent was for a grammar mistake, namely in Characters.Arknights Guards when they typed
"due" instead of "oue". They also used incorrect indentation at least several times, namely on
Characters.Arknights Snipers N To Z and the page
ThatOneLevel.Arknights.
I've also sent them several Administrivia.Word Cruft notifiers, like when they typed "Similarly". Now, I'm aware that that isn't WC by itself. However, when it starts a sub-bullet like in that edit
, it is. They also added
"basically" to GameBreaker.Arknights. In another edit to that page, they added
"pretty much".
I'm sorry if this isn't important. Personally, I'm unsure if this is suspensible, I just want to hear if a mod can fix this issue. Also, a couple mods told me that they prefer ATT posts rather than DMs.
EDIT: I fixed an error with a link.
Edited by RandomTroper123
HoMM Fan
openTroper Creating Main wiki pages for nonexistant works
Kraken Nowak has been actively editing on TV Tropes since last October, and a majority of their edits are based around the works found on Creator.Gavin Nowak.
As you can tell, though, these works are all given release dates at least 5 years in the future, if not as many as 20, and there is no record of them actually existing anywhere other than the creator's head.
Normally I would move them myself, but I wanted to make an ATT about it as the creator is still active on TV Tropes and edited the pages just today.
openPossible Singlehanded Decision?
So I was reading a page, and came across a Take That Us link, which I remember three days ago used to redirect to Self-Deprecation.
But apparently, prettycoolguy changed it into a disambiguation link
.
Was this talked about anywhere? I didn't see any discussion about it, and the edit reason makes me believe they decided this entirely on their own.
Edited by Steven-KeysopenVillainous Underdog Question
I'd like to ask the tropers to weigh in on a debate, because the other party I've tried to debate with is being passive-aggressively hostile in P Ms. Twice, I've presented my case and they've dimissed it. Once as me "wanking" the character in question and secondly as "Dragon Ball-esque scale speculation", which it is not.
So the dispute is on Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night. In the story, a demon named Gremory is one of the major villains and is partially responsible for the events therein. Part of the objective is for the player to traverse a huge sinister castle full of demons to reach Gremory and her master, Gebel, to stop them from unleashing a demon horde on mankind.
Within the game, there's another character named Zangetsu, who is a demon-hunting samurai using a sword called the Zangetsuto. At several points in the story, Miriam and Zangetsu fight with and against each other. When Miriam fights with him, Zangetsu demonstrates that he is far more powerful than Miriam (he can defend against a boss's attacks and she can't, and he deals hundreds of HP in damage to the boss while Miriam is dealing single digits). When they fight against each other, Miriam states that Zangetsu is holding back against her and could have killed her in a blink if he wanted.
Now, we enter spoiler territory.
We're told at the end that Zangetsu's sword, Zangetsuto, is the only thing that can destroy Gremory. Miriam states that Zangetsu is so strong that he should have done it already. He replies that he's been TRYING but Gremory has actively been running from him the entire story and every time he thinks she's cornered, she vanishes again. He thus gives Miriam his sword to chase her instead and this works because Gremory doesn't see it coming. However, Zangetsu also knows that since Gremory knows he's without his sword, she'll target him while he's weak. He deliberately goes off on his own to lure Gremory into the open and possibly dies as a result.
Now, Sasquatch X is arguing that this is NOT a case of Villainous Underdog because: 1) it's Zangetsu with his sword Gremory was afraid of, not him or the sword alone and 2) Gremory is hiding behind an army of demons. The problem I have with both of these arguments is that it's irrelevant whether Gremory was only an "underdog" when Zangetsu was with his sword because his sword is literally the source of his identity—he named himself after it. And second, Gremory's ultimate plan (which I avoided here) hinged on Miriam being able to easily defeat said army of demons, and again...Zangetsu is flat out stated to be far more powerful than Miriam.
Sorry for the long explanation, but I wanted you to have all the facts. Like I said, talking to Sasquatch X is impossible because he's being incredibly dismissive in P Ms.
Edited by NubianSatyressopenNo Title
I had deleted some "meta" moments from Awesome.Pokemon Detective Pikachu under the impression they weren't allowed/were overly gushy, but they were reinstated with another troper citing their prevalence on MCU pages. I don't want to edit war, so what should be done about them?
- When the trailer was released, it completely overshadowed the teaser trailer for Toy Story 4, which was released a few hours earlier and had gotten plenty of attention in itself. It's also beaten the Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) trailer and that came out in July 21st, almost 4 months ago when the Detective Pikachu trailer was released. It also got over 1 million likes and is the only non-superhero Hollywood film to do so until the trailer for The Lion King 2019 came out. The other films to do over 1 million likes before the film's trailer are Avengers: Infinity War, Venom, and Captain Marvel. After the trailers got released, the only other movies that achieved 1 million likes was The Lion King, Spider-Man: Far From Home, both trailers for Avengers: Endgame and Joker. To say this movie got a lot of attention compared to most films of 2019 would be an understatement.
- Jordan Vogt-Roberts concluded that the film has similar amounts of charisma and quality
to Iron Man 1.
- While critical consensus doesn't mirror the idea of putting Detective Pikachu on par with the film that started the most successful movie franchise in history, this movie still gets to claim the title of first wide-release video game film adaptation to avert the video game movie curse. That's nothing to sneeze at.
- It made number two in its first week at the box office right behind Endgame. Granted many figured it wasn't going to knock Endgame off its throne, but coming that damn close. Yeah, nothing to sneeze at indeed and a testament to the staying power of this series.
- While worldwide it may have come in second to Endgame, in China it came in at number one.
- Props to the visual effects team and director in that Mr. Mime's inclusion is this. Rob Letterman revealed in an interview
they almost didn't get to have Mr. Mime in the film because of its creep-factor notoriety and Uncanny Valley design. He hired an actual mime to rehearse the scene with, and also had to pitch the interrogation scene in person to the president of The Pokémon Company and he gave them the go-ahead, and then they still had to come up with a realistic design. Many people he talked to still weren't sure it could be pulled off, then when they filmed the scene, he described it as "the most awkward, weird thing to shoot", and he considered cutting it since he didn't think it would work. Given the fan reception of the end product, it's a cinematic marvel that they succeeded.
- In order to sell that she was actually carrying Psyduck around, Kathryn Newton had to do the chase scenes with 40 lbs of weight strapped to her back.
- Pokémon Detective Pikachu has a 65% Fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes as of May 17, 2019, making it the first live-action film adaptation of a video game to hold a "Fresh" rating. And while critical reception has been lukewarm, most chalk it up to the film being so awash in Pokémon lore that it's difficult to non-fans to fully appreciate the story and humor. In that regard, fan reception for the movie has been very, very high. After all these years, Video Game Movies Suck is finally averted.
openHow do we handle actor pseudonyms? Videogame
On Characters.Command And Conquer Tiberian Sun, one of the character's actors (CABAL, in the Nod folder) is listed as their pseudonym, but in parenthesis, it mentions that they were credited by their real name in the manual (not sure what they're credited as in-game, never played it).
How do we handle situations like this? Do we use their real name (if known) or their credited pseudonym? The actor in question — Milton James
— had multiple pseudonyms that he used for different roles. Do we use each one as credited, or just stick with his real name for every role?
What about cases like the original Metal Gear Solid, where nearly everyone used a pseudonym but used their real names in sequels? Which names do we use there? Does popularity mean anything? David Hayter is pretty much universally known as the voice of Solid Snake (he even played himself in MGS4), but he was credited as "Sean Barker" in the original MGS1.
In some cases, actors use pseudonyms to accept non-union roles (This is actually why they used pseudonyms in MGS1). Does that affect anything?
openCreator/ChadwickBoseman
Someone included a part on the Determinator entry on Chadwick Boseman that was about himself and not his works, so I removed it. A different troper added it back, so I'm requesting someone else remove it so I don't get caught up in an edit war.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast
The Quiet One (he/him)
open Odd edits on YMMV Redirects
Harpuia removed all redirects to Growing the Beard from YMMV Redirects, and also added Growing the Beard itself, even though Growing the Beard isn't a redirect (it's indexed on YMMV.Home Page). None of these edits gave an edit reason.
Edited by GastonRabbitopenForum thread going off-topic
I'm worried that the Marvel Cinematic Universe forum thread is starting to be filled with posts that don't have anything to do with the MCU itself.
I had sent a holler for this post
, as it was talking about DC Comics stuff instead of Marvel.
openCaptain Marvel Film
Just a heads up, a troper has added a lot of entries for Hypocritical Fandom to Captain Marvel (2019). I'm not taking action myself, but I feel like a lot of the entries are distortions of the context for the film's criticisms (poor use of flashbacks, retcons to the timeline of the series) or bring up criticisms I haven't seen made about the movie (bad villains, use of 90s music, boycotting the military).
Given this film's "controversial" nature, and the controversial nature of the trope itself, would anyone else like to weigh in?
openNightmare Fuel Vanity Plate recreated without permission
See here. The page was cut back in 2017.
While I do think the page should be restored, not only was this without approval, but it's also.......not the way to do it. The namespaces are weird (no spaces between words, making the name look awkward and also causing it to use the generic background rather than the Nightmare Fuel background), most of the links (both potholes and links to videos) are gone, the image has a much bigger box to the sides of it and the page itself isn't even finished, with a note asking to help recreate everything.
Edited by KingofNightmares

There are several entries I made that were modified in ways that I think have issues. Want to check if it's edit warring or not to modify as opposed to reverting entries, and to run them by here first.
Was changed to:
Uncertain Audience:
Was changed to:
Pokémon:
Was changed to:
Permission to make my proposed modifications?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught