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openSeinfeldIsUnfunny.LiveActionFilms Film
Noticed a lot of entries about Star Wars on SeinfeldIsUnfunny.Live Action Films that seem to argue with themselves, get facts incorrect, or are nattery.
"Darth Vader was noted in 1977 for being one of the scariest villains on-screen at the time. However, after becoming a heavily-marketed Series Mascot (even to kids), having seen Luke, I Am Your Father parodied a million times (which are, more often than not, more or less equal amount of Darth Vader clones) in the Expanded Universe,note which has been officially declared defunct by new Star Wars owner Disney, perhaps in part because of this trope and after getting to see villains like Exar Kun, Darth Revan or Kylo Ren, Vader is no longer perceived as the sinister force he once was, and instead has a reputation as a "cool" character akin to a superhero. Rogue One addresses this by depicting Vader, a One-Scene Wonder here, at his most sinister and brutal - making him Nightmare Fuel by 2016 standards and reminding audiences of why he's such a fearsome character."
"*** With some female fans complaining about the use of The Smurfette Principle in the series, many forget that having a woman like Leia being just as heroic as the male heroes was a groundbreaking move in the first place. Like the Vader example, this was addressed in The Force Awakens by having Rey, a woman, as the surprise main character, giving her a surge in popularity and serving as a breakthrough for the aging franchise." Seems unclear in the latter part if it's referring to Rey or Leia.
"*** George Lucas changed the 'Han shot first' scene because he and MPAA thought it was too dark and violent. Nowadays with the normalization of heroes shooting first, many fans consider the change to be an overreaction especially since Greedo was pointing a blaster at Han and he was acting in self-defense. Not helping matters is how later films show moments of heroes trying to kill helpless people like Cassian shooting a handicapped informant or Luke trying to kill his sleeping nephew." Han shot first was only changed in the '98 special editions, 21 years after ANH was first released.
openProblematic Troper
I think Apple Gates
needs a tap on the shoulder. I noticed that they added an entry for Periphery Hatedom a month ago that claimed people who hate Super Mario Bros. are "Sacred Cow Hunters" and potholed said phrase to Complete Monster. They also had posted a erroneous entry
claiming that Kelly Marie Tran had killed herself that has since been deleted.
I know there's been a query here before
regarding their edits to Internet Backdraft and they've still been going at it. They've also been adding Flame Bait tropes, edited a page caption to be longer for no particular reason
, and severe issues with unnecessary bolding
.
openGetting rid of Shipping Bias / Reporting two tropers Anime
If you guys don't mind, this is a twofer post that actually goes hand-in-hand. Also, I apologize in advance because this is a long post, but I need to give a lot of information so that you'll understand where I'm going with this.
So I already called for RandomX to be reported in my previous ATT post
, for, among a lot of reasons, shipping bias. I saw shipping bias in their Naruto entry for First Kiss. On August 14th, matruz removed the shipping bias and provided an Edit Reason explaining why it was removed—to paraphrase, "because saving someone's life with CPR does not equate to a kiss, and as an experienced medical ninja Sakura had to have performed CPR on other subjects before Naruto in order to perfect the procedure, so Naruto is not her First Kiss." Also, it's long since been confirmed in the manga and from post-series interviews with creator Masashi Kishimoto himself that Sakura loves Sasuke and not Naruto, and Naruto rejected Sakura in Chapter 469 of the manga. When Sakura performed CPR on him during the War, about 200 chapters after Chapter 469, she was trying to save his life, not trying to kiss him, so it comes off as more of a friendship moment than a romantic one; plus, Naruto wasn't conscious when she performed CPR on him, so it wasn't mutual. Naruto is shown kissing only two people in Canon: Sasuke in Chapter 3 (both he and Sasuke are visibly shown to not enjoy it, due it being an Accidental Kiss), and Hinata in The Last: Naruto the Movie (which is explicitly the first canon movie of the franchise—an advertisement that was published with the final two manga chapters officially called the movie "Chapter 699.5". Here's the proof
). Regarding the kiss with Hinata, Naruto initiates it and is visibly shown enjoying giving her The Big Damn Kiss at the end of the movie, so that was his First Kiss with a girl and also his first mutual and romantic kiss. Based on these facts that I related directly from canon events (and I even provided the manga chapters and the advertisement picture as proof), I agreed with matruz's Edit Reason to remove the shipping bias. However, on September 5th, Trustworthy69 re-inserted the shipping bias that matruz removed, and gave no Edit Reason explaining why it was re-inserted. Edit Reason or not, that is an Edit War on Trustworthy69's part.
Not only that, but I also see shipping bias in Falling into His Arms and Kiss of Life, from EarsplittingLepidopteran. For Falling into His Arms, the description states that it's a very romantic trope, but EarsplittingLepidopteran deleted the Minato/Kushina example (which was romantic) and inserted Naruto saving Sakura and being stabbed by her poisoned kunai (which was not romantic. This event also occurred in Chapter 484, 15 chapters after Naruto rejected Sakura, which makes it even less romantic), and then the way this person worded their completely blanked-out spoiler-tag entry (which is not allowed, according to Handling Spoilers) sounds like shipping bias, so it did not employ neutral wording. The Kiss of Life Naruto entry written by EarsplittingLepidopteran also claims the First Kiss issue, but as I explained in my previous paragraph, and as matruz's Edit Reason stated in the Ship Tease Anime and Manga page and in First Kiss, an experienced medical ninja would have performed and perfected the CPR procedure long before Naruto, so he was not her First Kiss, and she loves Sasuke and was trying to save Naruto's life, but he was unconscious and he already rejected her in Chapter 469, so it was not mutual. Also, Naruto finally woke up from unconsciousness not from Sakura's CPR, but rather from the Sage of Six Paths giving Naruto his powers; this was shown in Chapters 671 and 672. Therefore, the Kiss of Life Naruto entry is not a valid example.
Getting to the point of my post, based on what I have said: 1) The Naruto entries for First Kiss, Falling into His Arms, and Kiss of Life should be reworded to be neutral and display no shipping bias, or even some entries should be removed because they do not follow the criteria from the trope's description(s). 2) If this has not been done already, EarsplittingLepidopteran should be called in/reported for shipping bias and lack of neutral wording, and Trustworthy69 should be called in/reported for shipping bias, lack of neutral wording, and Edit Warring.
Here's the edit history for the aforementioned three tropes: Falling Into His Arms
, First Kiss
, and Kiss Of Life
.
Here's the edit history for EarsplittingLepidopteran
, and here's the edit history for Trustworthy69
.
I will not do anything with those three aforementioned tropes until I get feedback from a more knowledgeable troper and/or a moderator.
Edited by mouschilightopenEdit War and Creator Bashing
LookyLooky00 has been edit-warring on YMMV.Fantastic Beasts The Crimes Of Grindelwald. They added a comment to the Unfortunate Implications entry about there only being three Asian actors in the franchise. The comment was removed, with a redirect to the discussion page
so as to avoid an edit war. And there was a discussion, which myself and LookyLooky00 and a couple others participated in. However, then LookyLooky00 went back to the YMMV page and re-added the comment about the three Asian actors anyway, even though the reason for its removal was never sufficiently addressed.
I also notice that they have a very strong anti-J.K. Rowling bias. And in fact, a look through their edit history
shows that complaining about Rowling and her apparent racism is the only thing they've been adding to the site. At this point I'm concerned that they have an agenda at play here.
openEdit War regarding Authors Saving Throw entry on YMMV/Metroid Dread.
For context, Other M is notorious for a scene in which the female protagonist Samus enters an area with deadly high temperature despite having a suit modification (Varia Suit) that lets her survive in extreme temperature. She does this until her former commanding officer, Adam, authorizes her to use the Varia Suit, almost dying in the process. In particular, fans were very upset that Samus obeyed Adam's orders not to do anything until he authorized her (she is no longer his subordinate at the time of the game) and that Adam waited until Samus almost cooked to death to give her said authorization.
Salmon Aran has made edits based on a recent "discovery" which claims that the English localization was to blame for that last sentence; in the Japanese version (allegedly, since I don't speak the language), Adam never orders her not to use her abilities and he never knew Samus was in that area until moments before he authorized the Varia Suit. End of context.
Salmon edited a Author's Saving Throw entry on YMMV.Metroid Dread that tries to differentiate the scene between the English and Japanese versions. Basically, constantly using terms like "English version" or "English fans" or "English Adam".
Given that Other M has been getting
more attention
here on ATT since the release of the newest game in the series, I specifically rewrote entry to remove the distinction between the English and Japanese versions of the game, because that seems to be a touchy subject and isn't really necessary to understanding the entry. Basically, regardless of the translation, the fans still find the idea that Samus would run into a heated area until authorized to use her Varia Suit to be pretty ridiculous and thus hilarious that ADAM's AI replacement warns her NOT to do that. I was trying to rewrite the entry to make the version distinctions irrelevant but Salmon re-added said distinctions
again with the edit reason:
Again, though, I think the entry can be written in a way where what's "canon" is irrelevant. Whether Adam intended it or not, the fact remains that Samus entered a deadly area and refused to use equipment that could save her life until he authorized it, whereas in Dread, the AI ADAM basically tells Samus not to do that immediately after she comes across a heated area.
Edited by NubianSatyressopenHostile deletion reason
Very Peeved deleted this on Gone Horribly Right:
- Brexit was this for many people that didn't see the consequences of what they campaigned for. Here are a
few
examples
.
With this edit reason:
if you're gonna put this shit in here, at least put some damn effort into it. a single line and a couple of links is not on. D- apply yourself.
Now I do feel like maybe Gone Horribly Right should probably be a No Real Life Examples, and failing that perhaps this example crosses the line of Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement. All that being said that edit reason was needlessly hostile.
Edited by jjjj2open Designated Hero Edit War
DesignatedHero.Anime And Manga
- The protagonists of Dragon Ball are treated as great, lovable people, but they often veer into this. Vegeta in his earlier days put the entire planet on the line for the sake of one-upping Goku, who isn't really a saint himself, more often than not prioritizing fights over just about anything else, even when it endangers entire worlds just for the sake of a fair fight. He also has a habit of taking Honor Before Reason to its infuriating extreme, not only letting the villains get stronger just for a fair fight, but even giving said enemies Senzu Beans to heal their injuries. Unfortunately, this gets heavy Flanderization in Super when he causes other people grief, his reactions range from ignorant to pushing aside their concerns. The biggest example is when he's called out for making the Tournament of Power a thing, something that caused distress and anger of many, many people. He's called out on this, and he simply tells them to bring their strongest fighters. The Secret Test of Character twist doesn't alleviate how appalling he acts about this tournament he started. He then pushes his stupidity further by reviving Frieza, a dreaded who is known for decimating entire planets just for his own gain, for this tournament, then the protagonists let him run free, even though he'll just kill more innocent people and force countless more under his boot, something neither Goku, nor the other fighters, have any intention to stop. He wasn't meant to be a good person, but it's difficult for some to want him or the others to succeed when they act like this.
- Additionally, the Z-Fighters sometimes revive all the people on their world who get killed in their scuffles. That being said, there are plenty of men, women, children, and alien civilizations that got destroyed by Vegeta or someone else, and they were never brought back. Yet no one really punishes Vegeta for his actions beyond dying once for unrelated reasons and getting his shit kicked in.
- The other fighters aren't any better. 17 and 18 are pretty much told their universe is at stake, and the only way to save it is to win a tournament. 17 takes quite a long while to change his mind, initially deciding to just stay in his animal preserve, despite having a wife and child, and 18 wants to ditch the tournament when she discovers there's no cash prize. This is the team you're supposed to root for by the way.
- This really goes even beyond the main fighters. Bulma has spent a good chunk of her screentime over the years flirting with men in front of her boyfriend, but gets pissed when a woman shows interest in him. Master Roshi also spent years being appallingly perverted, even groping and feeling up multiple women, and once asked a teenage Bulma to flash him. Oolong acts like a perverted freak. Beerus is a lazy god who enabled (and is known for carrying out) mass decimation of life. The list goes on.
Troper ToonFreak added the first version of Themis entry in January and it seems like they're the only ones editing/adding it to its current state since.
This 9th this month AMassiveOvereditor deleted it citing "Designated Hero is about the narrative and all the characters in a story treating the "heroes" as unambiguously good for their actions even if they are several horrendous crimes. Goku, Vegeta, and everyone else in the cast are called out on their flaws, sometimes multiple times, other times just a couple. You're thinking of base breaking characters and even then, some of the examples don't have nearly as much of a divide to qualify, others you are just describing one flaw and saying it automatically qualifies them for this, which again, it does not." ToonFreak added it back yesterday without alterations citing "Clarified because they belong on this list." which I believe fails to address the arguments for it's removal.
Thoughts?
openNo Way Home: What An Idiot Film
I noticed that WhatAnIdiot.Marvel Cinematic Universe Films (specifically for Spider-Man: No Way Home) has a moment where Spider-Man tries to Save the Villain by preventing a bunch of old bad guys from dying while fighting other versions of himself. Could this really be considered a stupid thing to do? It felt like Peter was just being an All-Loving Hero since he practices Thou Shall Not Kill. While it DID have consequences, he was ultimately successful in saving all of them, albeit with help from his counterparts. It seemed like Dr. Strange was just holding the Jerkass Ball by showing the villains No Sympathy. They could've worked together, but Strange complicated things by claiming You Can't Fight Fate.
Edited by 227someguyopenBrave Little Toaster Pronoun Conflict
Not long ago, there was a discussion about
the pronouns for the titular character of The Brave Little Toaster. The film itself uses he/him pronouns, while the director and voice actor refer to the toaster with she/her pronouns. The matter was brought to a vote and it was pretty much unanimously agreed
that he/him pronouns should be used.
Troperfind was one of the Tropers who advocated for she/her pronouns, necessitating the discussion to begin. After the consensus was reached, the pronouns on this
page were changed accordingly. However, Troperfind has changed pronouns to she/her, saying "The best thing to do for this situation is to be considerate for both argument, referring to Toaster y both male and female pronouns, so as to settle both sides of the argument."
Thing is, using both male and female pronouns was an option in the voting thread, but no one voted for it. This seems like a dismissal of consensus to push for the opposite, even if the intention was to be fair to both sides.
Edited by iamconstantineopen Quotes.TheHorseshoeEffect -- breeding ground for bad faith "both-sidesing"
Quotes.The Horseshoe Effect is picking up a lot of quotes which can be summed up as bad faith "both-sidesing" on political issues.
For those unaware "The Horseshoe Effect" is a political theory that both extreme-left (Communist state) and extreme-right (Fascist state) are basically the same thing (Authoritative Tyranny). For example, comparing the "extreme collectivism" of Japan, where you're supposed to follow the group or be shunned and shamed....with the "extreme individualism" of the US, where you're supposed to follow the ideal of being your own person or be shunned and shamed.
However, the theory has major problems with being misused as an argument for extreme centrism (aka Golden Mean Fallacy) or as a method of "Whataboutism" and "Both-sidesing" on issues like social justice or systemic oppression.
For example, quite a few claiming that being racist and caring about racism are the same thing.
I don't think the entire page needs to be scrubbed, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it. But I do think something needs to be done to clean up the page, and I didn't want to make unilateral decisions.
openBrokenMasquerade - no examples list
The trope page Broken Masquerade is a bit... odd. To start, it's sort of written "in character", like the writer is part of the masquerade and is delivering The Reveal to the reader. From what I've seen, that sort of thing seems to be used more in Self-Demonstrating/ pages than Main/. Maybe this is actually okay; it just struck me as a bit unusual.
The bigger issue, though, is that there isn't an example list. There's a subbullet under each main "type" of masquerade (like Tomato in the Mirror, Hidden Realm, etc) with a list of "Signature Examples" provided, but it's just a list of works with no explanation of how they fit.
Is it okay to restructure it like a typical trope page, with examples in a separate section? Broken Masquerade currently has 752 wicks, so I could probably find at least a 5-10 good examples to start off the crosswicking.
Edited by Willowleaf24openRedirect policy and one-man cleanup projects
A while ago, I noticed that Vulkus (who I'm pinging here so they can respond) had started to systematically remove all redirects to The Legend of Zelda: Oracle Games (primarily The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons, the two games in the duology) and replacing them with the main page name. I was a little concerned, primarily because a) most of the examples affected were specific to one game or the other but not shared between them, so I wasn't too clear on the reasoning, b) relatedly, Vulkus did not leave any edit reasons nor links to any discussions to explain what they were doing, and c) this seemed like kind of a big project do out of one's own initiative. I contacted them through PMs to ask what was going on, and they stated that they were in the process of removing all redirects for certain pages that in their opinion had too many (they specifically identified the The Legend of Zelda and Golden Sun games here). Their stated reasoning was that these pages had been given too many redirects by a specific troper and that these redirects clutter up the pages for mobile users, and so they were intending to remove them all.
The primary reason I'm concerned here is that from what I'm understanding of this, this is far too big a project for a single troper to just decide they're going to across the entire site without consulting anyone else — especially if this is supposed to include actively cutting the redirects on all these pages right now instead of "just" editing examples to have a different active link. This was the primary thing I was trying to stress in my messages, but I'm not too certain I got my point across because after a while they simply stopped responding to me but continued right on with their one-troper cleanup project (they finished with the Oracle games, moved on to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, and I think they're on The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess right now). Essentially, they decided to undertake a wide-scale wiki project on their own, apparently did not attempt to engage in any discussion over this before implementing it, did not leave justifications in their edit reasons, and simply cut off communication without altering their editing when contacted independently. I'm a little concerned about this.
Regarding the issue itself, I would actually tend to agree with their basic reasoning (a lot of the Zelda redirects are simply truncated or modified versions of the titles that don't seem to have ever actually been used officially, which does mean that they probably shouldn't actually exist) — but this should have been discussed and agreed on publicly, not decided by one person without oversight or input. This is especially so because a number of the redirects are the valid titles of secondary games and re-releases, and it seems to me that they would be the appropriate links to use for tropes and examples specific to them and not the broader and/or base work.
Basically, this should have been taken to the forums, and probably should be taken there still. A dedicated redirect cleanup thread is probably something we could make use of.
openBiased edits on page Anime
On the Sk8 the Infinity page, there was some biased information heavily favoring the ship Reki/Langa. I edited out that stuff last night and told them to add it to YMMV, because the ship isn't canon yet and might not become canon. So far all there's been is typical sports anime fanservice. Today someone added it back saying:
"langa's "ambiguously gay" isn't THAT ambiguous despite being placed under there for now (especially for anime which have to work around censors) so Power of Love fits (he essentially gasps and blushes when asked if he likes reki [question assumed by him], then realizes the "feeling" that makes him fly in ep9). if he suddenly goes "actually no homo bro" out loud in-series it'd be better filed under power of friendship. (unless tvtr doesn't list, ex., nge's kaworu under romantic tropes... he's only Very Heavily implied to be a love interest of shinji.) the power of love + mythical motifs is about his feelings, not reki's. ia the "romantic-tinged" was pretty ham"
I strongly disagree with this. Also another biased thing they put in the page was: "While it's It's apparent that Reki feels as if he can't reach Langa (and the star), unknowingly to Reki and Langa and the increasing tension that builds between them over it, for Langa, the star likely stands for Reki himself)."
For Langa the star didn't hold any significance. It was just a graffiti target on the wall that he could do a cool skateboarding trick with. Reki was the one who worked himself up about the star trying to reach it while Langa wasn't around.
Is there anything I can do? I don't want to be involved in an edit war, but this stuff is just flat out wrong. The user perona keeps edit warring and adding incorrect info to the page.
Edited by sakanoopenAvoiding an Edit War on YMMV.PokemonSwordAndShield
On an entry for They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character, I edited the following, as it seemed overly complainly and the character in question is retiring and their character arc follows their granddaughter preparing herself for the role while fretting about if she is good enough:
- Professor Magnolia also qualifies, despite being the region's main professor. Her granddaughter Sonia essentially fills her role of professor despite being an assistant until she officially takes Magnolia's place. Seeing as she studies the Dynamax phenomenon and is well acquainted with Macro Cosmos (and Chairman Rose) to the point of collecting wishing stars for them, you'd think she'd have more involvement in the story.
I removed the "Seeing as she studies the Dynamax phenomenon and is well acquainted with Macro Cosmos (and Chairman Rose) to the point of collecting wishing stars for them, you'd think she'd have more involvement in the story."
Maths Angelic Version added it back, with the edit reason of "1) Don't delete opinions just because you don't think so. 2) Yes, she's retiring, but that doesn't mean her role had to be as small as it was."
I do not feel that this was "deleting an opinion", and rather, just removing something nattery, but I do want to hear others' thoughts on this.
openWhat exactly counts as a Creator of a work when it comes to tropes covering them.
On the Trivia.Genshin Impact page, I added a Teasing Creator example yesterday specifically about a Tweet of another game's official Twitter account (of Honkai Impact 3rd) replying to a topic about this game (GI). I originally worded in it a way that mentions the official HI3 Twitter account playing along with the "Multiverse/Crossover/collab theories or Epileptic Trees in the two related fandoms.
However ~coconutkirin deleted the part about the Tweet with the edit reason of "I don't consider the official account admins as "god" enough for this example to count".
I PM'd coconut as well, but I'll just create an ATT regarding the scope/limitations of Teasing Creator regardless.
Although their edit reason might sound YMMV because of the phrase "I don't consider" (but I myself consider the official account as a source), now I'm actually confused on what source does or doesn't count within the context of that trope.
Are Twitter accounts valid for Teasing Creator or not? What if one troper doesn't consider them as a source but another troper does? Because I consider the official Twitter account as an official source for "Creator" tropes, I would personally restore the example I added before. But since it was deleted because another troper doesn't consider the official Twitter account for the example, which is which? Or, based on their edit reason, what is considered "god" enough for Teasing Creator examples to be counted?
I added that Tweet to Teasing Creator simply because I saw other Teasing Creator examples that use official Twitter accounts, or use general statements regarding the company. For example, the trope page lists the following:
- In January 2018, Nintendo fans were anxiously awaiting the announcement of a rumored January 11th Nintendo Direct.note Nintendo Directs are online videos that detail upcoming content for Nintendo systems Yes, not the video itself, but the announcement that there would be one. The fanbase threw themselves into an absolute fervor, with cries of "Reset the clock!" occurring every hour for days in anticipation. Eventually, Nintendo of America acknowledged this on January 10th... by posting a picture of Chibi-Robo! on fire
. (The source is the official Twitter account)
- My Little Pony example - Before Season 3, people who worked on the show posted spoilers on their Twitter accounts. These spoilers were the fact that the new season would be cute and would contain ponies. (Mentions "people who work on the show.. posted on their Twitter accounts".).
openPersistent complaining on YMMV.CrashBandicoot4ItsAboutTime.
Psi001
has been constantly adding entries complaining about characterization in YMMV.Crash Bandicoot 4 Its About Time. Among their entries include a Cliché Storm entry ranting about flanderization of the characters, They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character and Badass Decay complaining about Crash being stupid compared to Coco despite it always been part of his character, and an Audience-Alienating Premise entry that reads more like a general rant about the game (while the game itself definitely has flaws, Psi spends more time ranting about Positive Discrimination like his other entries). Also, a Badass Decay entry on YMMV.Crash Bandicoot is a huge Wall of Text complaining about Coco suffering Positive Discrimination which misuses Drama-Preserving Handicap and outright states We Want Our Jerk Back!.
I'd send them a PM, but I've already had several arguments with them about their Single-Issue Wonk on other sites that inevitably go nowhere, so I don't want to talk with them again lest we have another argument.
open Huge edit on The Mandalorian with some issues
Yesterday Schnikeys made a truly massive edit to Series.The Mandalorian, changing over 80 lines. This was the edit reason given:
There's a bunch of things to talk about here. First, the edit summary leaves out mention of a large number of tweaks such as inserting potholes, adding natter, justifying edits, rewriting entries to be more favorable to certain characters and more critical to others, etc.
The absurdly large number of changes, many of which are relatively minor and mixed in with legitimate cleanup edits, means digging up and listing everything would take ages, but here's the biggest issue - an enormous wall of text appended to this already long trope entry, in blatant "justifying edit" / "conversation in the main page" manner:
- Cult: The Mandalorians of the enclave are so fanatically devoted to the old ways of Mandalore that they won't remove their helmets for any reason while in public and consider someone else attempting to remove it a grave insult. Not even Death Watch was that bad. In contrast to Death Watch, however, their traditions are focused on preservation of their culture, as opposed to battle for the sake of it. Chapter 11 confirms that they are indeed a religious cult, as Mando meets Bo-Katan and learns that most other Mandalorians do not actually follow such extreme ideals as refusing to remove their helmets in public. It is further revealed that they are called the Children of the Watch, suggesting they were actually started by the remnants of Death Watch, or Mando's sect and Death Watch stem from a common ancestor splinter-faction of Mandalorians.
- Subverted (or possibly outright averted) in that the customs of Mando’s Tribe are completely practical in light of the very recent Great Purge. Due to Chapter 8, we know that the Empire (and subsequently the Imperial remnants) has access to the personal information of ''every’’ Mandalorian registered on Mandalore at the time of the genocide — definitely including their names, since that’s how Moff Gideon knew Mando’s, and probably including their faces as well. Just about every other episode features someone either groping Mando’s armor or outright trying to steal it off of his body: if you take off your armor, it’ll probably be the last thing you do. Chapter 8 shows that a group of Mandalorians appearing in public together is enough to bring an Imperial pogrom down on the covert: of course they only appear one at a time. Tossing your name and/or face around is probably enough by itself to paint a big stormtrooper-shaped target on your back: of course you wouldn’t be able to go back to a highly-confidential location where your persecuted minority is hiding your children after that kind of security breach. Add all of that to the fact that in Chapter 4, Mando is very clear about the fact that wearing the armor is a completely voluntary choice and that no one in his community is going to come after him for leaving their group, even though he’s their primary provider… suddenly, the covert looks a lot more like refugees in a surveillance state than a [[Cult cult]].
EDIT: Another user has pointed out that the troper has also been adding non-YMMV items to the show's YMMV page.
Edited by Dirtyblue929openMisaimedFandom and WhatAnIdiot on ''Guilty Gear''.
I found these examples recently added by Rebelion Roja on Guilty Gear and I'm not sure about any of them:
- Misaimed Fandom: Bridget was considered an LGTBQ icon a few years back, even coined the infamous Trap term, it was told by many people that he was a good representation of an LGTB character... When he's stated that he's straight and he hates dressing like a girl.
- Venom, on the other hand is a tasteful representation of a homosexual character... when he doesn't want to kill Millia.
- What An Idiot: For someone who wants to prove his manliness and wants to be taken serious, Bridget has no hurries to look like a guy, an even moreso when he's told by several characters to stop dressing like a girl for starters.
For Misaimed Fandom, is this true about Bridget? From what I've seen and heard he didn't seem to be all that depressed about looking like a girl, just wanting to prove himself as a man, nor do I remember anything stating his sexual preference. I do feel that What An Idiot seems like it's complaining about a character point regarding Bridget when I think it should be more akin to certain moments like for example, a hero has a perfect opportunity to defeat a villain but doesn't for no good reason. As for Venom, I'm not sure. He started off as a villain, but is known for his relationship with Zato-1, and while he does hate Millia, he only tries to kill her after Zato orders him and only goes after her for personal reasons after Zato's death. Are these okay?
openThe "end" of handheld gaming?
In the real life section of End of an Age, there's this example:
- The discontinuation of the Nintendo 3 DS in 2020 marked the end of the dedicated handheld era of gaming, nearly 41 years after the release of the Microvision in 1979. The era had already been on its last legs since the advent of affordable smartphones and tablets as well as the debut of the 3DS' rough successor, the home console/handheld hybrid that is the Nintendo Switch, in 2017, and went on life support with the death of the Play Station Vita (with no plans from Sony for a successor) and the end of first-party support for the 3DS in 2019, but it managed to carry on for just a year longer before the 3DS itself was pulled out of official circulation. Given that Nintendo had a near-monopoly on the handheld market since 1989, it's unlikely that anyone will try to revive the trade in the future.
With the announcement of the Valve Steam Deck, is it safe to say that handheld gaming is far from dead and that this should be removed?
Edited by supernintendo128

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edits consists mostly of long-winded rants against Star Trek Discovery, and one case of self-promotion (I don't know if it's acceptable, but it doesn't follow the page's format). I removed their paragraph on Fanon Discontinuity (aside from flaming and claiming the voice of a whole fandom, they had erased a line and merged together two sets of examples). They have left long rants on the Headscratchers page, but I'm not sure about removing them outright. I'd like them to be officially warned about this at least.