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openFanfic trope page is connected to actual trope Western Animation
Could you please help me? I was creating a fanfic trope page but the name of the story happened to be La Resistance and that's a trope itself. So, now it connects the fanfic trope page with the actual trope itself. Is there a way to fix that?
openNo Title Western Animation
Can I get some help expanding this article I made?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/PhineasAndFerbTheAdventuresOfBeatriceFlynnTheRobotGirl
I'd do it myself. But I generally have a bit to do on my plate, so I don't really have the time to do it. Also, I'm generally bad at trying to figure out how to link tropes together. Seriously, I only recently relearned how to set up folders.
Please help.
openQuestion about page clean up? Western Animation
I'd like to ask where I would go to post a request for a page or pages to be cleaned up? The pages related to Western Animation/Chaotic and it's subages need some serious adjustments as its still from the very earliest stages of TV Tropes, including stuff like "This Troper" and stuff like that.
I have no idea how to do it myself, so I'd like to leave it in the hands of people who can do it better
openWas Homer meant to be unsympathetic in "Homer The Herectic" Western Animation
Found this in the Unintentionally Sympathetic Western Animation subpage
Homer again in "Homer the Heretic." He opts to stay home from church one Sunday and when Marge and the kids go without him, he revels in having the house to himself for the first time in years. He enjoys it so much that he decides to stop going to church altogether. Marge, Flanders, and Reverend Lovejoy all try to get Homer to start attending services again, and he even dreams of being confronted by God himself. However, when you stop to think that Homer's duties as a full-time worker, husband, and father mean that he is never alone, it's hard to blame him for wanting just a few hours of me-time each week. And considering that when he does go to church, he often sleeps through the sermon (including at the end of the episode when he's convinced to go back), he's clearly not getting anything out of it anyway.
I don't really think Homer was meant to be in the wrong for not wanting to go to church considering that God actually seemed lenient about it.
Also, i think Homer kind of won against them by sleeping through Timothy's sermon at the end.
openSouth park episode Western Animation
Okay, it's me again, the problem is still my memory. I was asking myself what was that episode of South Park in which I remember there was a character with the aspect of a kinda freak or disabled, a kid-character which seems a loser, but with an amazing deep voice (at least in the dubbed italian version), who in the end of the episode performs a very good speech. The character only appears in this episode. I think it's an old episode.
The character I'm talking about is not Jimmy.
The episode is not "Freak Strike".
Please, can someone help me to recollect?
openAll's Fair at the Fair (1938) Western Animation
I want to create a page on this site for "All's Fair at the Fair" (1998); one of my favorite Max Fleischer cartoons and one that I think deserves a bit more love. Unfortunately, I'm not that great at recognizing most pop culture tropes and I don't have a lot of free time to actually make it myself, so I was hoping that I could get some help from some of you more seasoned Tropers. I'd love to learn about all the tropes that make up this classic short and hear your own take on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAFqAbrPKxQ&t=1s
openHow to make a trope page for Under the Boardwalk? Western Animation
I was looking for the trope page for Paramount Animation's 2024 film "Under the Boardwalk", but as far as I can tell, it doesn't exist? There is a red-linked Under the Boardwalk page, which has a warning on it that it was basically cut because somebody did a really half-arsed job of starting it. So what's the proper procedure for relaunching the page? I will admit I'm actually not sure what indexes it would go on myself, but I do at least have a number of appropriate tropes...
openRestoring a Deleted Entry Western Animation
When I found out a character in The Dragon Prince was inspired by C-3PO, I added an Expy entry to their folder which was deleted soon after by another troper.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.TheDragonPrinceXadia#edit33992672
I messaged them with a link to the interview
that states C-3PO was an influence but they haven't replied or reversed the edit themselves. What should be done? Do I just restore it myself, or should another, since I'm unsure if that might qualify as an edit war?
open Disney Animated Canon rename? Western Animation
I’m wondering if we should rename “Disney Animated Canon” to “Disney Animated Classics”, since that’s what it’s referred to in the page image itself (and the term “canon” doesn’t appear to be universally used; Wikipedia doesn’t use it).
openA Scene in Rugrats Go Wild That Never Actually Happened(?) Western Animation
So I was rechecking the page for Rugrats Go Wild! and noticed Little Master Points's entries regarding some stuff, particularily:
- Bowel-Breaking Bricks: When the coconuts fall out of the net during the rescue scene, as the first attempt at rescuing the bathysphere fails, it is symbolic of the adults messing themselves like Angelica does when they cut to the underwater scene.
- Bring My Brown Pants: A flying bird, Siri the Clouded Leopard, Angelica, and the giant squid either poop or release a cloud of ink (the squid) when frightened or defeated. This is her comeuppance, in the case of Angelica, for her mean-spirited song, in which she repeatedly told the babies not to make any smells.
And under the Continuity Nod entry...
- Angelica gets her comeuppance for her Island Princess song and all the mean things she said and did in the form of something very similar to what happened to Siri the Clouded Leopard right before Spike told her to examine her diet. Angelitiki ends up messing herself, which she told the babies not to do in her song, in the submarine around 65-70 minutes. She is the only character seen wearing entirely different clothes on the cruise and not interacting with the others.
This is also brought on so-on-and-so-forth by the same troper.
A reason I want to bring this up is because I recently rewatched the movie and while there are toilet jokes, I never saw Angelica messing herself. Did I miss something, or do I have a valid reason to see this as highly concerning?
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopenCut Pages (further clean-up) Western Animation
One final query about my two Disney fanfics (and the tropes pages for them which I acknowledge were purely self-promotional). Will the cut tropes pages become invisible on the search are at some point if someone were to type "Cinderella: The TRUE Sequel" or "Once Upon a Studio: Version 2.0"? I'd just like to ask just to make absolutely sure that nobody can gain access to the cut pages, because I'm well aware this time that TV Tropes advises against self-promotion.
don't worry though if you don't think there is a way to stop any cut pages from appearing in search areas
openAdding Broken Base to YMMV Sonic Prime Page? Western Animation
So, since Sonic Prime had just wrapped up, is it time to make a Broken Base section for the YMMV page? Some of the suggestions for the Broken Base section are:
1) The characterization of Sonic himself has caused a split in the fanbase. Some fans find Sonic being characterized as being too immature found it to be completely alienated from his more laid back yet sensible portrayal in the games. Other fans however, think that having Sonic have more flaws in this version makes him more interesting as a character.
2) The canon of this series has also been divided in the fandom as some fans questioned about when this series exactly took place in the game canon and why does Sonic act way more differently in this series in comparison to how he was portrayed in Sonic Frontiers?
Edited by Rabbitearsblogopen What constitutes an Ass Pull? Western Animation
Essentially, I was thinking of adding the trope in Hazbin Hotel in regards to the whole 'angels can only be hurt by angelic steel'.
Not in the concept itself but the fact that no demon in the 1000 years the exterminations happened had never figured it out, that no demons ever thought to try this.
And the fact that Vaggie would not know this, despite having being maimed by angelic steel.
Would this constitute an Ass Pull or is there another trope that would fit this?
open A certain European animated short Western Animation
In the tropes Bungled Suicide and Happily Failed Suicide, there's a mention on the Western Animation folders that there's an 80's Eastern-European short about "a despondent man trying to kill himself, but when he's faced by robbers, he gives away all of his posession, clothes included, and ends up happy and appreciating life after being spared". I can't find anything about this short on the web, and a twitter account stated that this short is probably non-existant. Anybody knows what the short is called?
Edited by Numbuh1507openShould the "Giant's Dream" have spoiler tags? Western Animation
A recent ATT thread
discussed The Iron Giant which had been made "spoilers off" 2 years ago and the consensus was that should be "spoilers on" again.
There's a little debate over what story details should be spoiler tagged. The obvious consensus was the nuclear strike on Rockwell and the Giant's sacrifice to save it as well as the reveal that the Giant survived and was re-assembling itself in Iceland.
However, there's some contention about whether the contents of the "Giant's Dream" should be tagged as well. As a quick recap, after the encounter with the hunters, deer and rifle, the Giant has a dream that night that reveals glimpses about his origin... that he was created to be one of an army of robots who were designed to be a planetary invasion force and had the firepower to physically tear a planet apart.
The dream sequence was cut because of financial constraints due to WB Animation shutting down their animation department even as the production team was frantically trying to get The Iron Giant finished.
It was never included in the theatrical release nor in the early waves of dvds & bluray releases. It wasn't until the 2015 "Signature Edition" that the scene was completed and restored into the film.
As such, for a majority of readers who aren't big Iron Giant fans then this is a plot point that is not widely known and, in my opinion, worthy of spoiler tags.
If the majority of viewers aren't aware of the Giant's sacrifice at the end such that it warrants spoiler tags, then they surely aren't going to know about the Giant's Dream and I feel it deserves the same consideration.
Edited by rva98014open Trim the fat. Western Animation
I want to add two characters to The Simpsons Nelson I’ve done but it comes across as bloated
Nelson is presented as someone who grew beyond his initial characterization of a Barbaric Bully by being provided some Hidden Depths. In many ways he comes across as a Distaff Counterpart to Lisa. However it is when analyze his relationship with Bart that his trope comes into play. Nelson is shown to be given numerous advantages with people going out of their way to help him. you are supposed to feel sorry for him when he suffers the consequences of his actions but he never really shows remorse or even acknowledges that he did anything wrong. all in all his life is used more as Jerk Justifications then a legitimate Freudian Excuse.
- As stated above he he took advantage of Marge letting him into her home by to bully Bart, and even after Bart found his father and reunited his family he refused to stop doing it. When they became friends in "The Haw-Hawed Couple" it is treated as a allegory for a toxic relationship with Nelson checking all of the boxes of an abuser, but despite this Bart is treated as a Fair-Weather Friend instead of a victim . this also ignored the fact that that they only became friends because Bart was the only one who came to his party (he was forced) after he stole everyone’s money.
- Better Off Ned finally deconstructs Homer’s habit of using Operation: Jealousy on his son. It shows just how cruel this to the child Homer uses, but still plays it completely straight with Bart who Nelson tried to Murder the Hypotenuse. The episode ends with Nelson having shoved Milhouse into a freezer despite Ned mentoring him. Finally, Nelson’s response to being punished for breaking Bart’s arm in Top Goon was to go Then Let Me Be Evil and join the mafia
All I have for principle skinner is a basic and I can’t figure out how to start it. First is his relationship with bart you are supposed to feel sorry for him because bart is his worst nightmare. However Springfield elementary is repeatedly shown to be the worst school in city. In fact whenever bart and lisa are taken out of the school or even their respective classes because they are actually being taught his grades rise and her’s lowers. Then there is the fact that because he’s a Dean Bitterman he’s always actively scheming for ways to make the school worse then it already by cutting its already abysmal budget. Finally his relationship with bart just comes across as creepy. Skinner never shows the same obsession with other kids that he does with bart. Stalking him when he thinks he's cutting school, putting a student on his payroll in Bart's gang as a mole and setting up stings to get Bart in trouble so he'll commit detention-worthy crimes.
This same thing applies with his relationship with Superintendent Chalmers who repeatedly belittles and yells at him. however as stated Skinner is incompetent at his job while skinner finally standing up to him in "Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts" is supposed to be a Catharsis Factor its undercut by Chalmers actually teaching bart.
After several seasons of watching Principal Skinner be belittled and yelled at by Superintendent Chalmers for not being able to contain Bart Simpson's rampages, it can be extremely gratifying to see Principal Skinner finally stand up to him for a change in, telling Chalmers that he should just teach Bart himself if he thinks it's such an easy job. Chalmers' shocked reaction and the teachers outright cheering for Skinner make it even better.
What really makes him this is Edna you are supposed to feel sorry for him because she doesn’t want to get back together with him. however in "Special Edna" he’s shown to be incredibly abusive. It’s insinuated that him constantly canceling dates with her to spend time with his mother is due to the belief that she can’t do better. he only started making an effort in their relationship after she was nominated for "Teacher of the Year" before outright sabotaging her. despite this she accepts his his marriage proposal. When he gets cold feet in But in "My Big Fat Geek Wedding" she breaks up with him seeing that his proposal was just another escalation of his abusive behavior. Afterwards he keeps pestering her to get back together and the first thing he did upon finding out that her and Ned were together was to brag that he had slept with her.
Finally you can’t even feel sorry for him because of how overbearing agnis is as he was the one who chose her over edna.
All in all skinner comes across as a Insufferable Imbecile then someone who the audience is supposed to sympathise with.
open New Tropes Western Animation
Can you guys add these new Tropes that I invented?
- 1: "Unnamed Short Tempered Trope" It's Like "Hair-Trigger Temper" but downplayed and "Fiery Redhead" but for all types of characters with different types of hair colors.
- 2: "Question Not Answered" I know, Pretty cool name, It's self-explanatory and Nickelodeon is notorious for using this cliché in their sitcoms.
- 3: "Doesn't Say Sorry" It's basically when a character doesn't say sorry for their Jerkass behaviour say: "Bob scolds Alice for focusing more on school than her job after a fight Alice apologizes but Bob Doesn't apologizes for not leting her do her school duty." Double Subverted In The "We Baby Bears" Episode "Triple T Tigers" Where Near The Ending TK Apologizes for his bossy nature toward his brothers but is interrupted by the bears.
- 4: "Oblivious Twist" (You can change the name, don't worry about it.) It's basically a plot twist where... let's say "Alice is jealous of Bob doing killer skateboard tricks that he learned from a book only to do one more and the skateboard snaps in half which causes Alice to laugh in his face and revales that it was all a plan to get revenge at Bob for making lasagna instead of meatloaf with him knowing that if she eats lasagna it gives her acid reflux. Example: "ALVINNN!!! and The Chipmunks" Episode "Simon the Superb" Simon wants Alvin to give him his book but turns out the book was part of a plan to trick Alvin.
- 5: "Big "HEY!"" And "Big "DO IT!"" Come on, Why not?
- 6: And Finally "Common Sense Isn't Allowed" It's "Forgot About His Powers" But it's not power related let me put a scenario for you: "Bob and Alice can drink water safely but Bridgette (A Fire Girl) can't so Bob and Alice accuse Bridgette of being an evil creature that is poisonous to water but they forgot and Bridgette doesn't say that she can't drink water. (because of plot reasons.)
And that's all the tropes i want you to add so please mods add them thank you and ciao for now.
Edited by BlimperBraveopenBiting the Hand Humor split Western Animation
BitingTheHandHumor.Fox Animated Shows is split off from BitingTheHandHumor.Western Animation due to length. However, some of the shows listed, like Animaniacs and Futurama, underwent a Channel Hop and have examples pertaining to those other networks or streamers.
Would such examples be listed on the Fox page despite not being targeted towards Fox anymore, or would they be listed on the main Western Animation page? So far the Animaniacs examples have been split between the pages (I think I did that myself?) but going forward I want to double check to avoid duplication.
openDo memes go on YMMV page if they existed before movie release? Western Animation
An entry on Pixar's Elemental was removed, with the edit reason being that the meme existed before the work was released.
But the majority of the memes on the YMMV page, such as the movie's predictability and a fan-animated video being mistaken for an actual movie leak, also existed before release?
Can I add this back?
EDIT: forgot to mention the entry and link the edit history page.
- "Excuse me! He said no pickles!"Explanation It's become a popular joke to have Ember say that Wade asked for no pickles on his burger, because their Masculine Girl, Feminine Boy dynamic would have prevented Wade to bring up the issue, himself.

So, I was wondering about how do I change the title on a trope page? I wanted to change the title on the Rabbit Ears Productions page to Rabbit Ears Entertainment, since Rabbit Ears Productions was the old title name that the company had for itself during the 1980s and the 1990s. Nowadays, they go by the name Rabbit Ears Entertainment.