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openHow to write a good self-demonstrating article? Western Animation
I was planning to write a Self-Demonstrating Article for the obscure character Lightning Bolt the Super Squirrel, who appeared in two episodes of Tom & Jerry Kids and two episodes of its Spin-Off Droopy, Master Detective.
The only problem is, I've no idea how to write a good one.
I'd appreciate it if anyone could help!
openRevert request Western Animation
Requesting a revert for Mao Mao: Heroes of Pure Heart. Powe Respect outright removed a few commented out examples with no reason, and I can't add them back myself at the moment.
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenRose Quartz: An Example of Satanic Archetype or Satan Is Good? Western Animation
One thing that has been bugging me recently is how people say that Rose Quartz from Steven Universe is an example of a Satanic Archetype. In my honest opinion, she belongs firmly in the other category, because a Satanic Archetype is defined on this very wiki as "[a] truly evil character who appears to be a satanic figure for the setting, although they clearly aren't the Devil himself". But I ask you, why would someone include this example on the page when Rose only rebelled against Homeworld for the benefit of others and Lucifer rebelled against God out of selfishness? If anything, Rose should be an example of a Messianic Archetype or Satan Is Good, and yet, there is a clip in the video examples of the page featuring Rose Quartz/Pink Diamond. So what is Rose: a Satanic Archetype or Messianic Archetype/Satan Is Good?
Edited by Dragonking56openRWBY in Stuffed into the Fridge, Stuffed into the Fridge as a whole Western Animation
There seems to be some debating whether Pyrrha's death in RWBY counts as being Stuffed into the Fridge. I personally don't think it does, but to avoid the edit war I'm going to bring it here. As a side note this might also bring up problems with the trope page itself, considering it has seemingly contradicting definitions of the trope in the first few sentences; being first defined as having a character be left for a dead body to find, then more broadly defined as any time a character sees their loved one die. The former is a clearly defined trope with a history, the latter is awfully general to the point where a character that dies of old age in front of a loved one could arguably considered being Stuffed into the Fridge.
openTrouble understanding Administrivia Create New Redirects Western Animation
I recently made a page for Hey Arnold! The Movie and I'm trying to figure out how to make a Character page for it that redirects to the main characters page. I read the instruction on creating redirects, but they are a bit confusing to me and I want to confirm the process before I end up messing something up as I've never done this before. When I edit "Characters.Hey Arnold The Movie" do I just type in "[[redirect:Characters.Hey Arnold]]" and boom.?
Figured someone else might do it, but I have no idea when that might be, so I figured I'd try and do it myself.
Edited by thecarolinabull01openThe Emoji Movie page problems Western Animation
The main Emoji Movie page has a lot of weird, shoehorned examples, as does the YMMV page, mainly about how Smiler was right and/or the movie broke its own aesops. Most of the pertinent entries were written by the same troper, MeaJae97.
Examples:
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- If Jailbreak is meant to be a strong independent minded female role model, then why does she learn to fit in with the expectations of society? It seems to suggest that you can only save the day by following tradition. And why does the movie treat her as being selfish for rejecting Gene's fairy-tale views of romance?
- If the movie was supposed to mock the excessive use of technology, then this was sure as hell broken when sending a text ultimately saves the day. Also, none of the human characters learn the drawbacks of their obsession with technology.
- Hi-5 has to learn to stop being a narcissistic jerk and yet he still yearns for popularity through the entire movie. After he says he learned his lesson, he shouts about how "they love us" without any humility. Lesson learned.
- For a movie where women "have limitless potential"
there don't seem to be any interestingly written female characters. The generic order obsessed villain, the generic princess, the generic tough girl, and the generic love interest. Note that the only female character of significance other than the villain fits three out of those four characters.
- Wisecrack Edition made the case that
the lesson of "you should reject societal expectations and express who you truly wish to be" couldn't escape unbroken. Sure, Smiler was defeated and the Emojis learn that it's perfectly fine to express more than one emotion. However, there is still the fact that they are stuck with one function, to serve Alex. What a brilliant life. Emojis were invented for this very specific purpose, so Textopolis is a terrible metaphor. The movie constantly validates the idea that they should only peruse society's intended purpose for them. In Real Life, this can easily prevent people from being themselves.
- If Emojis wanted to become more than merely vessels of conveying ideas, then Alex could simply delete them as they would have outlived their usefulness. After all, Gene didn't stop the phone from being erased. It was Alex who prevented it because his crush was so Easily Impressed.
- Aspects of the caste system still remain intact as the unpopular Emojis remain in the Loser Lounge.
- Jailbreak learns to stop valuing freedom and reverts back to being a Princess.
- Gene quickly discards the idea of leaving the phone forever.
- Hi-5 never dumps his narcissistic ways."
"* Unwitting Instigator of Doom: If the villain had simply had her way, then the movie would be far shorter. And audiences would be better off as a result.
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: Smiler tries to delete Gene because she sees him as an existential threat to the safety of Textopolis."
openArthur Election Episode Western Animation
Does this entry from FunnyAneurysmMoment.Western Animation (not written by me) break the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment? I haven't touched it because I don't have neutral views on how the election turned out.
- The Arthur episode "The Election"
is about a mock election that Arthur's third grade class holds as they learn about the American government. Muffy is an ambitious female candidate with Power Hair, Arthur is a down-to-earth candidate who wants to help people out, and Binky is a self-aggrandizing Cloud Cuckoolander candidate with unfeasible ideas who somehow wins the election. Fifteen years after this first aired, it comes across as an uncanny prophecy for the 2016 U.S. presidential election, with Muffy as Hillary Clinton, Arthur as Bernie Sanders, and Binky as Donald Trump.
openranabridged edits on YMMV/InvaderZim Western Animation
Some person named ranabridged
has been making some strange edits to the Invader Zim page, constantly neglecting full stops and commas, and even arguing with himself within his edits.
openQuestion about Fic Recs Western Animation
I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no, but am I allowed to recommend a fic I myself have written? I've always thought it was no and thought it said that somewhere on the fic page, but I can't find it.
F1 the MS Office robo-assistant
openEntry removed without edit reason on Arthur recap page: okay to restore or not? Western Animation
On Arthur S1 E18 - "Arthur's Chicken Pox" / "Sick as a Dog", this entry was deleted without an edit reason
a while ago by the now perma-suspended
troper TV Lubber:
- Kick the Dog: D.W. almost literally does this when she tells Arthur "We can get a good dog now" when Pal gets sick. She may be only four years old, but that's a rather insensitive remark to make about someone's pet, especially under those circumstances.
The reason I'm asking if this is okay to add back is not only because adding it back without consensus would be an Edit War, but the entry is also negative towards D.W., a character I've been previously been suspended for writing bashy entries about, so I'm worried that re-adding it without consensus from other tropers may be seen as me relapsing in my D.W.-bashing ways and earn me a second suspension. You can see the scene for yourself in this video
starting at 0:05, so you can make an accurate judgement based on the context.
openInappropriate entry re-added to YMMV/TheLoudHouse Western Animation
A week ago, Braz re-added the entry below to YMMV.The Loud House, which was previously added and then removed after being mentioned in this past query
(the reasoning was because it was considered too creepy and misuse of the YMMV item).
- Fanwork-Only Fans: It's becoming increasingly common for fans to engage themselves in the fanart community rather than the show itself. This is due to three reasons: one, the TLH fandom is generally a highly active community, with fan works galore that often go beyond what the show is constrained to, either darkly so or within the series' lightered premise. Two, the show built up a notorious reputation for its gargantuan amounts of Rule 34, mainly involving Brother–Sister Incest and lolicon. It's not uncommon for people to be introduced to the series via Loudcest, especially since there's a highly popular Fan Verse centered around it. Lastly, some people just consider the show to be too generic to invest in, and find the fan works to be far more interesting.
I'm calling for the entry to be deleted again, since it's exactly the same as the past version.
Edited by Inky100openListing every couch gag Western Animation
I don't really know where else to put this, but I'm wondering if CouchGag.Bobs Burgers is a proper use of the subpage. It lists every example (up to Season 10) of the show's Couch Gag (namely, the names on the store next door and the van), while most other examples of Couch Gag simply stop at a summary of the gag, and maybe give a few noteworthy (e.g. Lampshade Hanging) examples. For comparison, the reason CouchGag.The Simpsons is so lengthy is because the intro has multiple couch gags and their variants tend to be very self-referential and involved due to being an iconic Trope Namer.
So should we cut the Bob's Burgers page and just move it to a couple of examples?
openX-Men '97: MCU or not? Western Animation
So......time to go back to that annoying question once again: Do we put X-Men '97 back in the Multiverse Saga timeline on the franchise page?
For: It's made by Marvel Studios. It's included on the timeline and section on Disney+ as an official part of the MCU. A variant of TAS/97 Storm will be featured on an episode of What If season 3.
Against: Beau DeMayo went on record to state '97 isn't a part of the MCU.
My take: Studios tend to have the final say, and creators can sometimes be full of crap. James Gunn was adamant that Daredevil and the Netflix shows weren't canon. Soooo... welp on that one. There's also the fact that DeMayo was fired for being a giant dick and sex pest, so Marvel/Disney don't really want to ride on his word as the Word of God - going so far as even striking him from the credits going forward. The creator himself said nay, but there's seemingly more weight to the yay.
openAvoiding an edit war to make some corrections to an entry Western Animation
Recently, AK47Productions edited an entry I had added to Self-Demonstrating.Alastor, under the reasoning of cleaning up Word Cruft.
This is the entry before their edit:
- Well, look who we got here, His Infernal Majesty from another Hell different to the one of my universe! I first heard of you from Niffty wanting your bizarre lobster claw hands, and yes, you look completely bizarre, down to your appeal of dressing up like a woman. And while your fighting prowess is admittedly impressive, it's squandered to the ground by the fact that you just keep trying to take over one specific city only to lose to a trio of weird futuristic experimental "children" (and on one occasion, their fusion with their similarly youthful prototype, even after you've shown capable of mind-controlling that prototype if only for a little while) over and over again, when you have a whole Earth and universe to conquer at your will. Let me ask you a question: Do you ever think outside the box like I always do? Not to mention that you vehemently refuse to use your real name...
After the edit:
- Well, look who we got here, His Infernal Majesty from another Hell different my own! I first heard of you from Niffty wanting your bizarre lobster claw hands, and yes, you look completely bizarre, down to your appeal of dressing up like Angel on the stage. And you squander your powers by trying to take over one specific city over and over again, only to lose to a trio of lab rats masquerading as children when you have a whole Earth and universe to conquer at your will. Let me ask you a question: Do you ever think outside the box like I do? Not to mention that you vehemently refuse to use your real name...
While I don't mind the condensation and removal of redundant wording they did, they accidentally left behind a grammar error and removed a bit of context that the entry cited, which I'd like to correct like this plus some more additions of mine (changes are in bold):
- Well, look who we got here, His Infernal Majesty from another Hell different to my own! I first heard of you from Niffty wanting your bizarre lobster claw hands, and yes, you look completely bizarre, down to your appeal of dressing up like Angel on the stage. And you squander your powers by trying to take over one specific city over and over again, only to lose to a quartet of lab rats masquerading as children and an adolescent when you have a whole Earth and universe to conquer at your will. Let me ask you a question: Do you ever think outside the box like I do? Not to mention that you vehemently refuse to use your real name...note HIM: YOU DARE CRITICIZE MY FLAMBOYANT SENSE OF FASHION AND INSULT ME FOR ONLY WANTING TO WRECK HAVOC IN TOWNSVILLE AND NOWHERE ELSE, MUCH LESS HUMILIATE ME FOR CONSTANTLY LOSING TO THOSE PESKY GIRLS YOU CALL "LAB RATS" WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THEY CAN DO?!?! I ASSURE YOU THAT YOU'LL FACE THE WRATH OF THE EVILEST OF EVIL!!!! Alastor: Heh, if you're so confident about it, I'd dare you to say that to Princess Morningstar or her father...
Do I have permission to go ahead with these proposed corrections and additions without problem, or is there something I have to change?
Edited by Inky100openMake Your Mark Western Animation
To whomever it may concern,
I’m fairly new here in TV Tropes and I noticed that the page image for Make Your Mark in Western Animation isn’t the correct show logo since it has an outdated logo with the fourth generation design on top of the current. Is it possible to be adjusted to the show’s intro picture that I previously used since it’s more accurate to the animation itself, and not an outdated poster? My sincerest apologies that this wasn’t first brought up here.
open Without Sin: All Star Edition Western Animation
Hi there, I'm the author of the fanfic Loud House Story "Without Sin: All Star Edition". A fan made an entry here on the site... and it was brought to my attention the story was cut.
Now, be that as it may for the entry being cut, after reading the thread involved, I saw a gross mischarterization of my story and wanted to set the record straight.
For one, the story is not an endorsement of Incest, or child sexual action. There are no explicit sex scenes within the story. There are no 'lemons', no detailed scenes of characters engaged in the act of sex with one another.
For two, the story does not condone what has transpired between Lincoln in the "Sinverse" and his sisters. The quotes that were used in the thread were all from 'Sin Lincoln"'s perspective. He is biased, that's the point. He doesn't want to see what transpired between himself and his sisters as 'wrong'.
For three, the 'sins' of his family have resulted in one of his own children being a victim within the story of grooming.
What has happened to Lemy, with his aunt 'Lily' is not presented as good and wholesome, but quite the opposite.
The point of this story is to take a good hard look at the 'sinkids' fandom in the Loud House, and present the realistic circumstances that would have to take place for them to exist...with a Lincoln from another world who was not involved in an incestuous relationship with his sisters becoming involved and how he reacts to it.
The story is not an endorsement of incest, child sexualploitation or anything akin to that. It is a condemnation of those things... while still presenting the children that resulted from the actions as 'innocent' of their parents's collective sins.
While titlation does exist within the story, there are no sex scenes and there will be no sex scenes within the story. I can understand if you think the story still does not 'belong' on tvtropes but I wanted to set the record straight exactly on what the story is NOT.
It is not an erotic incest pedophiliac story meant for wank material.
It is instead an exploration of the fandom of the Loud House that often has an incest filtered Kink, but in a realistic manner with the consequences of those actions.
Thank you.
openJackpot21 removing Fridges from Ladybug that are good/fixable instead of bad (At least IMO) Western Animation
...Yes, I know, but I can assure you that Jackpot has no interest in talking to me and discussions on the pages have not worked for me.
(NOTE: The following is for the stuff removed in the 10:37 PM edit on October 19th. While I have other things that I disagree with Jackpot removing in past edits, I put those on the Discussion page and the Mods prefer one or the other).
First: in the removal of a additional bit onto an Fridge for 'Gang of Secrets'. This fridge bit.
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The fact that Marinette wasn´t akumatized after breaking up with Luka isn´t so strange. She's been trying to distract herself from her sadness, probably to avoid attracting Shadow Moth's attention.
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This is what was removed.
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- Also, her anger is towards Shadow Moth. Considering his actions as villain, for Gabriel it should be nothing particular that a civilian hates his alter-ego.
- It's also very likely Gabriel deliberately doesn't send akuma after people who are specifically angry at Hawk/Shadow Moth themselves because they'd be very unlikely to cooperate with him and/or he'd be empowering people that want to directly use it against him. He's used people angry at "Gabriel" before since they don't realize that's the person they are cooperating with and he's safe in his lair from them, but akumatizing someone who wants to target his villain self would probably be counter productive.
- Also, her anger is towards Shadow Moth. Considering his actions as villain, for Gabriel it should be nothing particular that a civilian hates his alter-ego.
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While you could probably streamline this a bit, this is not a unfair point. The guy can sense what is causing a negative emotion, he monologues about what is causing the pain when he hears it. It is not hard to add onto the above point with that additional point.
Second: from Crocoduel. This one could have used some tweaking in the flow at the end, but he cut off the end part of this
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- Juleka's hero form, like her akuma form, is a lot brighter than her normal get up. However Rose's is not darker looking like her akuma, but just as bright as normal. Both an Akuma and a Miraculous bring out an inner look for a hero and a villain, and both girls do admire the other. Other neither seem to see a dark clad hero as ideal: they don't want to be Batman they want to be like Ladybug or Majesta.
To this
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- Juleka's hero form, like her akuma form, is a lot brighter than her normal get up. However Rose's is not darker looking like her akuma, but just as bright as normal. Both an Akuma and a Miraculous bring out an inner look for a hero and a villain, and both girls do admire the other.
...
With the bit missing it it lacks the clarification that the idea is that while they admire the looks of the other (the bright Rose to the dark Juleka and vice versa), their idea of what a hero is the same (bright).
Third from Optigami
This is the original version
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- Shadow Moth choosing Nino/Carapace as the one to impersonate makes a lot of sense. As Adrien's friend, he's over their place constantly so he'd be overly familiar with his attitude and how to convincingly act like him. And in "Heart Hunter", he battled Fu as Jade Turtle who transformed in front of him and used his power so he remembered Wayzz's name (and depending on the language version the words to transform) and how to use Shelter properly so he could even convincingly impersonate Carapace. He only gives himself away by not reciprocating Alya's handshake properly, something that Gabriel would have never seen. While Gabriel also saw most of the rest transform in "Miracle Queen", he barely knows anything about them and could possibly slip up, and in the case of Kagami, while he is familiar with her enough to convincingly impersonate her, she didn't transform in Miracle Queen so him not knowing Longg's name (especially when Kagami herself was happy to see him again last time) to transform would raise suspicions. It also let him get Alya as bait, as was said in episdoe.
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This is what it was edited to.
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- Shadow Moth choosing Nino/Carapace as the one to impersonate makes a lot of sense. As Adrien's friend, he's over their place constantly so he'd be overly familiar with his attitude and how to convincingly act like him. And in "Heart Hunter", he battled Fu as Jade Turtle who transformed in front of him and used his power so he remembered Wayzz's name (and depending on the language version the words to transform) and how to use Shelter properly so he could even convincingly impersonate Carapace. He only gives himself away by not reciprocating Alya's handshake properly, something that Gabriel would have never seen.
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While episdoe did need to be fixed, I don't see the point in removing the last bit. The idea in the above clarifies why the Kagami option was not considered. (there is some show reasons why that would be caught quicker, but this is in moth's mind, not Cat's mind). It's not bad information to elaborate on.
Fourth: Also from Optigami the following was removed.
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- Chloe was the only temporary hero who did not show heroic traits in this episode whne in a situation to do sonote Kim missed the entire snafu by getting into one of his self-inflicted races, and thus was in no place to help anyone, while Chloe did, from making the moves to be ready in case they were needed to helping others try to get to safety. Another step in the 'Chloe was never a hero' demonstration.
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Several other tropes entries describe bits that elaborate on showing how Chloe was not ever a true hero from her uniform to why her complex developed in Maledictator to comparing King Monkey to Queen Bee by multiple tropers. The episode does feature virtually every other present temp hero to show these traits, which I see no reason to discard as an observation of Fridge Brilliance.
While there are other removals I do disagree with, these are the ones that strike me as the most counterproductive and needless and would like help either restoring them properly, or a good reason why they should stay off.
(Last time I had raised a forum here on the topic, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=104957&type=att
, in regards to a Sevens Fridge removal, but not only is some of this stuff individual Fridge bits and not an additional point (though most of these are), well as was said in that entry by the one respondent War Jay 77 could be summed as 'if we stretched it could be called Natter but doing that would basically require a scrubbing of all fridge pages' in regards to these points and others.
So...is there anything that can be done in this situation?
openLego Star Wars western animation article Western Animation
The fact that there was a whole section in the LEGO Star Wars page devoted to the mostly-unrelated cartoons just kept bugging me:
For a more concise list of entries, the LEGO Star Wars series consists of: [...]
- LEGO Star Wars The Padawan Menace (2011): A young orphan named Ian sneaks onto a Jedi younglings' field trip to the Senate building, but their chaperone Yoda senses a disturbance in the Force…
- LEGO Star Wars The Empire Strikes Out (2012)
- LEGO Star Wars: The Yoda Chronicles (2013-2014): An original series spanning the Prequel and Original Trilogies as our heroes seek to prevent the Sith from producing an army of Sith clones. Rebranded as LEGO Star Wars: The New Yoda Chronicles after the Disney buyout.
- LEGO Star Wars: Droid Tales (2015): A five-part miniseries comedically retelling the Original Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy, and an episode of Star Wars Rebels from the perspective of C-3PO, R2-D2, and Admiral Ackbar.
- LEGO Star Wars The Resistance Rises (2016): A series of shorts set shortly before The Force Awakens, centered on the movie's main cast.
- LEGO Star Wars: The Freemaker Adventures (2016-2017): A two-season show set between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, nearing the beginning of the latter. The series focuses on the Freemaker siblings, a family that runs a ship repair shop and finds themselves thrown into the war when their youngest brother Rowan discovers his Force-sensitivity and the ancient Kyber Saber.
- LEGO Star Wars: All-Stars (2018): An anthology series focusing on various Star Wars characters throughout the Skywalker Saga, including the previous and next generation of the Freemakers.
- The LEGO Star Wars Holiday Special (2020): A holiday special set after The Rise of Skywalker, focusing on Rey and BB-8's time-traveling adventures throughout the Skywalker Saga after discovering a powerful Force artifact on Life Day's Eve.
- LEGO Star Wars: Terrifying Tales (2021): A Halloween special set after The Rise of Skywalker, focusing on Poe and BB-8 traveling to the now-derelict Vader's Castle on Mustafar and being told terrifying tales by the Darth's former attendant Vanee.
- LEGO Star Wars: Summer Vacation (2022): A summer special set after The Rise of Skywalker.
And it got to a point where I cut all of the above out of that page entirely. Now the real question is, should we spin off that content into a separate index of sorts under WesternAnimation/LegoStarWars or not? Part of me thinks maybe we shouldn't make an index for these because they're already covered in other pages like LEGO, Star Wars Legends or Star Wars Expanded Universe, but I want to see what others think before I can make any decision for myself.
Edited by AngrokVaopen"Writers Cartoon". Should it have a page here? Western Animation
I've been on twitter and a couple of John Kricfalusi fanboys (spumdonor and eatmyspum) have been throwing around the expression "writer cartoon".
In a surface level, it seems to refer to animated series that let their dialogue to do all the work when it comes to the comedy whereas the animation take a back seat. These two (and supposedly Kricfalusi himself) hate these kinds of cartoons because they don't take enough advantage of things like going off model or smear frames. Instead,"writer cartoons" rely on pop culture references, puns, Catskill humor, parodies and other things that "kill" the comedy.
Writer cartoons include "Animaniacs", "Tiny Toon Adventures", and I guess everything made by Tom Ruegger.
EDIT: Accourding to "Cartoon Aesthetics" (actually spumdonor's YT account), a writer cartoon is a "cartoon not written by cartoonists".
Edited by Numbuh1507

jppiper added a non-capitalized, non-punctuated, speculative example to Steven Universe: The Movie, and then spent multiple more edits trying to Wiki Word Time Skip. After the example was rightfully removed, they posted on the discussion page
, still with the problems of their example, this time with an added self-censoring of the swear "fucking".
Page history
and Troper history
.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast