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openNo Title Videogame
Oh, I see Whitecroc already reported his own actions in Original War.
Long story short, his edits were pointless from the start. He picked already finished and mistake-proofed entries in the article and change them, creating not only language mistakes but also glaring errors toward game content. He removed or changed beyond recognition numerous tropes that are more than valid for the game, without any explanation of why doing so. When discussion was started, he didn't wait for any settlement, but just keep on editing the page, derailing it even further from the game content. Now the page is heavily vandalised, as his edits are half-made and with both language and content mistakes. Bonus point for starting the whole edit rampage under the guise of "removing grammar mistakes" and succumbing to them himself off the bat.
And I really don't see why I'm suppose to work with person who outright states that made mistakes and didn't bother to clean them up nor gives any reason why editing finished entries.
Edited by RysioPysioopenCombined examples needing split Videogame
I'm working on a trope page for a project of mine (though I'm keeping it off TvT itself until said project gets far enough), but I'm having a problem with two of them. At the moment, they had to be merged into a single example in order to make sense, but I want to split them into separate entries that still reference each other in a coherent manner.
- Attract Mode/Automatic New Game: When the game is first started, the main menu treats you to a flyby of the Hub (sans portals) in the background, with the menu itself disappearing if the game is left alone long enough. When a new game is started, the menu goes straight into it’s Attract Mode as if it’d been left alone, but the music starts to fade out instead of remaining on, as the camera slows to a stop. A few seconds later, we’re treated to a loud *THUD* followed by an equally loud “...Ow!” from Mike after another second, immediately going into the intro mission’s starting cutscene from there.
- On subsequent loads, the game does the same thing, but for the world the player was last in. But instead of going into attract mode, it instead fades to black (which also functions as a concealed loading screen), before cutting to a short scene showing Sam/Mike waking up, at which point it seamlessly switches to gameplay.
- When starting a new game (or new game+) when not in the Hub, it will start differently, with the game fading out as normal, before the loud thud is heard while the screen is still faded out. Beyond this, the scene starts as normal.
Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did
openNo Title Videogame
Not sure how to go about this, but here goes.
Been playing Mass Effect 2 lately. I usually play as a female Shepard and during those playthroughs I love Jack in it. However playing as a male Shepard I find myself continually being pushed away from her because of how much worse she seems to treat him. So I've been working on pointing it out across the game and trope pages, however thought I should stop and ask for a bit of input.
I'm a little worried about going too far in discussing what a Jerkass Jack can be, if I hadn't already. Would someone mind looking at my recent edits and seeing if what I've said is fair enough?
open Undertale-related Edit War Videogame
It looks like there's something going on in Video Games regarding Undertale. Now I don't know that much about Undertale itself, but Buttersilk did leave a pretty rude edit comment on putting his entry back.
openThe Skybox "Trope" Videogame
Right, so this particular page has been bothering me for some time, with some people already voicing some concerns about it (back in 2010, no less).
First off, the description is written in a pretty nonsensical way:
- "Skyboxes are independent graphical elements." - what does that even mean?
- "Usually, a given skybox can be 'swapped out' for one that suits a particular setting." - well yeah, of course it can, like anything else in the level.
- "Some computer games come with several Skyboxes" - Of course they do.
- "...showing different types of meteorological phenomena (such as aurora borealis or other things that can't physically be rendered) or a even an entirely different setting (apocalyptic vs. modern, for example)." - The first part is correct (although the phrase "can't physically be rendered" doesn't really make sense, I assume it means "in real time".) The second part makes less sense though, what does it mean for a skybox to show a "entirely different setting"? (From what, the rest of the level? Why would a developer want that?)
- "The Skybox may also contain 3D models that will be projected larger than life, such as distant land features or buildings" - this can be debated a bit, since most game engines don't make a distinction between a "Skybox" and the rest of the level. In most games the background elements of a scene are simply that, objects placed in the background outside the area designed for the player. It's only really the Source Engine where there is actually a proper distinction between the two, which is probably what this statement is referring to.
- And then the statement: "Note that Skyboxes are specific to computer games; animated cartoons don't use Skyboxes, for the simple reason that there's no need to use them - the sky will naturally be drawn as part of the cartoon itself." doesn't even make any sense, especially the last part (you don't draw anything in a 3D animated film, and a 2D animated film obviously isn't going to have a "Skybox"). But the statement is also very wrong - CG animated films absolutely use Skyboxes, in fact they use a multitude of different 2D background elements even more frequently then games do, because there's no point in rendering a large part of the background if the camera is only going to be facing a certain direction or move a small distance in the shot.
The description probably needs to be rewritten completely, but there's another issue - this isn't really a trope. This is PeopleSitOnChairs. The fact is there's no point listing examples on this page because virtually every 3D game ever created will have a Skybox of some sort. It's just a basic fact of game development that there's going to be 2D elements in the background, and if the description is believed, the term Skybox also includes 3D background elements, so this article is literally describing the concept of a "background" itself. And every game that takes place in an outdoor environment is going to have one of those. It's such a universal concept that it's almost like making a trope page for the concept of "polygons". Personally I would either move the page over to Useful Notes or just delete it entirely.
Edited by SirBlahopenNo Title Videogame
Someone keeps trying to shoehorn A Nazi by Any Other Name into the Garrosh section, despite Warcraft's orcs being pretty much inspired by myths of Vikings, and Mongolian Hordes, and otherwise not fitting the trope as defined on the A Nazi by Any Other Name page which states that examples that believe themselves to be a Master Race, but don't otherwise partake in of other Nazi ideology or imagery shouldn't be listed as an example.
This same individual keeps trying to rewrite the Garithos entry to paint him as a Noble Bigot, and Kael'thas entry to say he was evil all along despite Metzen, the writer himself, saying Kael'thas was a tragic character, and that Garithos racism drove him to villainy. The Individual continually insults Metzen on his reasons for editing.
open Undertale Fanfiction Videogame
That one guy self-pimping his Undertale fanfiction is back posting in the Undertale page under the name Chivalrous Craibou.
Edited by AlleyOopopen Accidental deletion. Videogame
Someone accidentally deleted a large portion of Fate/Grand Order: Assassins. I fix it myself but I can't do it on my tablet.
Edited by WhirlRXopenDoes it count if a work offers a Mythology Gag within itself? Videogame
- Another Vanu Vanu daily quest is called "The Binding Soil". Does it count if a work offers a Mythology Gag within itself?
Well, does it? (This was on Final Fantasy XIV. The context is that a quest in the :Heavensward expansion has a Punny Name with the pun being derived from a Bonus Level [Specifically what MMO players would refer to as a "Raid"] in the base game)
openWhen to give upon a page Videogame
Some of the pages noted as needing wiki magic just end up... lingering. For years without being fixed. In particular, I'm asking about things like Dark Angael; its three tropes are an aversion that shouldn't have been listed on there in the first place, a ZCE, and flat out incorrect- calling something 'Angael' instead of 'Angel' isn't British English as far as I'm aware, it's My Nayme Is. I've never played the game myself, so I can't help add anything to it, it'll just be even more of a stub if I take off the ZCE and the aversion.
It's been on the Needs Wiki Magic Love index, and nothing's been added or changed for years. What's the policy for these kind of things- how long are they given on the Needs Wiki Magic Love before they're cut?
openWhy is Joker's Main!Injustice page SelfDemonstrating? Videogame
It's annoying and deters away anyone who wants to read his character page in third person. Keep all the Self-Demonstrating styles to where they belong like SelfDemonstrating.The Joker.
openSelf-Demonstrating Example vs. Zero-Context Example Videogame
Are any character tropes considered self-demonstrating? I'm working on a Characters page with over 70 characters and am starting to feel like a lot of examples/clarification I've been providing is reaching natter levels.
For example: Dark Skinned Blonde: Skin as black as night. You Gotta Have Blue Hair: Light blue with a single braid combined with Peek A Bangs. etc.
The bottom line is, am I doing this correctly?
openMaking a Unique Page Videogame
Greetings. I've been inquiring about making a special page on the League of Legends
page. Specifically, I want to make a page dedicated to the items in the game. The list of tropes for League of Legends is huge, and I've taken it upon myself to try and clean it up, move character tropes to the character pages, etc. I'd like to do the same with the item tropes, but the path isn't clear.
There's a very similar page on the Destiny
page that is essentially what I'd like to do. Destiny has a page dedicated to the weapons, so that weapon tropes won't clog up the main page. It's essentially what I'm trying to do.
Any assistance?
Edited by Crewxopen Eiyuu Senki: The World Conquest Videogame
A while back I noticed a discussion about building a page for this game, but the page was removed due to the sexual content of the game itself. An all-ages version with the sexual content removed was recently released and localized on the PS 3. Despite that all-ages version release, is the game still banned from having a page made?
open Yet another stupid SD page Videogame
Phoenix Wright exists. Why?! Why in the name of common sense does this exist?! And do I have permission to kill it with the hottest, most scouring, cleansing fire I can get my hands on?
openNo Title Videogame
Any chance of someone adding a Nightmare Fuel page to the Phantasy Star series? There's quite a few creepy moments if I do say so myself.
openNo Title Videogame
In Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault, in the online versus mode, owning nodes will generate money for you, and capturing a node you haven't had in the game yet will let you acquire a new weapon. However, it's possible to shut the other player out by killing them when they try to get nodes and taking them for yourself. This will allow you to get new weapons and more money, which will let you put up barriers over the nodes you own and capture the other nodes faster due to being able to kill the enemies that spawn near them quicker. By doing this, you can leave the other player stuck with their starting Combuster (pistol), and no money to buy base defenses, player upgrades, or an invasion force to attack the enemy base.
Would the above be an example of Can't Catch Up?
openNo Title Videogame
Do games that, by themselves, are rather innocent and kid friendly, but has a player base that consists massively of the GIFT in action and has a chat so people can post things kids should not be hearing about until they're older on a daily basis qualify for the What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? trope, or does it not since that's what the developers never intended to happen, and by itself, the game is still rather innocent and kid friendly?
Also, should point this out while I'm at it, Sailor Tardis replaced the image for the page I'm talking about without first opening an image picking discussion first. Someone might want to do something about that.

So I was browsing the Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain page and found out that the Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes page still exists. The problem being that Ground Zeroes is the prologue to The Phantom Pain and word of god says that both projects make up Metal Gear Solid V. While some third-parties are speculating that they will be seperate releases, but the trailer for the game itself shows parts from Ground Zeroes and Phantom pain in it, so there's no reason to keep the two seperated.
Where do I go to propose a merger of the two pages?
Edited by Shaoken