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openCharacter Agenda-Based Editing? Live Action TV
Civil War is known for being a film with a very strong Broken Base, and Melbell 18 made several edits
to Captain America: Civil War that seem to be biased in Tony Stark's (himself a massively Base-Breaking Character who is notorious for inspiring Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater reactions) favor.
Do I have permission to reword the language and remove some of the more accusatory changes?
Edited by AlleyOopopenKingdom Live Action TV
I'm happy to create it myself (with some trepidation as a fairly newbie troper admittedly) but wanted to check first;
Is there a specific reason there's no page for Kingdom (the mma tv series?)
openUnintentionally Unsympathetic Live Action TV
Would Unintentionally Unsympathetic apply to an entire populace? The trope is being used to defend a character's choice to mass slaughter its civilian population, owing to the crappy acts some of its citizens have pulled. The example itself is on the YMMV page
as the last bullet point under Unintentionally Unsympathetic. There is currently a discussion going on here
and it seems to be at a stand-still.
openJessica Jones recap - Maybe ever after Live Action TV
Regarding the final episode of Jessica Jones. I originally removed the example MaybeEverAfter due to the definition of a hint or implication a successful conclusion to a romance arc. I thought that was no indication of such an implication, the break up seemed pretty final with no hint of continuing. Of course with the cancellation of the show itself there will definitely be no continuing. While Erik the person she broke up decided to become someone worthy of her. That is no indication that would mean she would take him back or seek to re-establish the relationship. To be fair I used Luke’s return one of the examples as to why that MaybeEverAfter did not apply. Which is not a factor come to think of it. It was added back after removal and I was wondering if it warranted removal again. As the example is that the relationship will return as "probably" or "kinda sorta maybe." But there was no indication of that in the final. They broke up, he resolved to be a better person. She focused on stopping Trish and that was it. I removed the example because the main thing is a “reasonable” likelihood they would end up together. There was no hint of that in the final and with the cancellation no further chance of that happening. Is it valid for removal again.
Edited by TuvokopenNo Title Live Action TV
Since the previous thread I put up as a premptive measure has gone, I'll repeat this here.
Moderators really need to talk to JIKTV
about his Single-Issue Wonk with Trish Stratus. He bordered on personal attacks in that page's discussion thread, accussing anyone who was against his edits of being either Trish's personal publists or working for the WWE (and when I removed one of his bad entries on another page he sent a PM to me accussing me of being put up to it by two of the people he had been arguing with on Trish's discussion page), made edits that were venturing into Real Life territory against the actress behind the character, and added this to a seperate character page and filled it with entirely negative tropes (as well as insulting those who had been reverting his bad edits):
- Adored by the Network/Creator's Pet: WWE basically hyped her as the greatest thing to ever happen to the Women's Division or to the Women's Title or to humanity in general. According to WWE, she's the only one who was ever even IN the division (Lita was involved here and there), and that she carried it all by herself or some nonsense. All the other wrestlers who got jobbed out to her, demoted, buried and thrown out the door like yesterday's garbage aren't important and no one should waste his or her time thinking about them. She got to retire as Champion, violating wrestling tradition which says that you are supposed to lose your last match. She had the head of "Creative" induct her into the WWE Hall of Fame.
- Protection from Editors: She even has that on this site.
- Boring Invincible Heroine
- Designated Heroine: Her first title win, over Jacqueline, Ivory, Lita, Molly and the debuting Jazz in the six-pack challenge at Survivor Series 2001, really came out of nowhere. She hadn't been competing much on TV and hadn't even had a PPV match since InVasion in July.
- God-Mode Sue
- Karma Houdini/Protagonist-Centered Morality: Apparently, she only felt that the whole Molly Holly "big ass" garbage was a bad thing to do was because she was a Face at the time. That's right, it might have reflected negatively on her. Never mind that it was a terrible idea and they never should have done it in the first place.
- Sacred Cow: Look what happened to Melina and John Morrison for daring to say anything negative about her.
- The Scrappy/Hype Backlash: It's out there if you know where to look. Do a Google search for her name and "overrated" and see the results.
- Screw the Rules, I'm Beautiful!: She may not have said this herself, but, there are fans who will use "she was hot" as a defense against any criticism of her.
- Viewers Are Morons
A moderatator really does need to get involved at this point because while he's not edit-warring on any page that his examples are getting taken off of, he is finding as many ways as possible to get around that.
EDIT: To give some more evidence towards his obsession, he edited Designated Hero, Jobber, and Girls Need Role Models to reflect negatively towards Trish to the detriment of the article. For the last one, here's what he wrote about her in the trope:
"Trish Stratus was there because the company really loved her. She basically established the template that led to WWE purging the talented WRESTLERS (Jacqueline, Ivory, Molly Holly, Jazz, etc.) in order to make room for the Diva Search Idiots and the Catalog Idiots (John Laurinaitis found Kelly Kelly and Alicia Fox in the same swimsuit catalog, which is apparently what he considered "scouting talent.")" (If you're interested, the original line before he added all of that in was "Trish proved that beautiful women could become talented wrestlers", which fits with his discussion and PM rethoric to always bring up that she was a model before she became a wrestler)
He also takes every chance he gets on any wrestling page that is mildly appropriate to bring up that Trish Stratus won her retirement match and that it was violating wrestling tradition, while anyone who has followed Professional Wrestling for awhile could list off more than a few names who have all done the same.
Edited by ShaokenopenHandling adaptation spoilers Live Action TV
At the The Witcher (2019) page someone just added a spoiler from the books the show is based on to the main page. It is under spoiler tags, but it is a twist that hasn't been revealed or hinted at in the show itself, so a person who has seen the entire first season and thinks it safe to look at the spoiler tags will have the surprise ruined.
Before removing it I wanted to ask if there was any Administrivia source I could quote to add a warning about doing this sort of thing in the future.
ETA: The spoiler in question was added at the end of the Leave No Survivors entry.
Edited by AzureOwlopenIs it better to move this example to Harsher in hindsight? Live Action TV
On Kitchen Nightmares S6 E15 "Amy's Baking Company" there is this entry:
- Epileptic Trees: Some netizens took Samy's obsessive control over the till, his pocketing of servers' tips, and his admonishing Gordon that "You're not the gangster here, I'm the gangster!" as signs that the restaurant was actually a money-laundering front for The Mafia, which would just raise even more questions.
- According to law enforcement sources, Samy was involved in drugs and extortion while in Europe, so it's not far off the mark.
- Which is questionable itself. If you were running a covert criminal operation, would you want these loud, incompetent assholes anywhere near it? Additionally, if the restaurant were involved in any criminal activity, the last thing they should ever, ever do is involve Gordon Ramsay and be on a show that is seen on national television.
- According to law enforcement sources, Samy was involved in drugs and extortion while in Europe, so it's not far off the mark.
The indentation and the natter have to be corrected of course, but doesn't it make more sense to move it to Harsher in Hindsight? I was thinking of removing the final entry, which is mere natter, and merge the first two together.
Edited by gc10openPossible misuse of narm Live Action TV
The YMMV page of Superman & Lois has two entries of Narm, both from the pilot, which read:
- The dramatic intensity with which Clark confesses his origin story to Jon and Jordan can be so over-the-top in a "well, when you say it like that, this whole thing is actually pretty silly" kind of way. With the way it's played out, you'd almost expect for Clark to laugh and yell "just kidding!" instead of proving himself by lifting the truck.
- Nobody at the party noticing Jordan using his heat vision during the brawl, even though he's surrounded by dozens of people, some of whom are filming the brawl. Makes the emotional and shocking scene seem unintentionally comedic.
I have to ask, is this valid? Narm only applies for moments that are meant to be taken seriously but instead come off as hilarious, not moments that either fall flat or just don't have the intended effect.
openIron Fist Live Action TV
From Series.Iron Fist 2017:
- Mighty Whitey: Averted. In the words of Scott Buck, "I can say most definitively Danny Rand is no white savior. He’s trying to save himself, if anything." If it's like the comics, Danny is just the latest IF, most of which were Asian.
Considering a) the last sentence sounds like speculation, and b) the premise of the show seems to boil down to "white guy fulfills his destiny and saves New York from evil Asian ninjas", do those sound like valid reasons to delete this entry until further notice?
Edited by dsneybufopenSpeculation? Live Action TV
I found this on Fridge.Ghosts US:
- Many of the ghosts have a power related to who they were as a Living or how they died.
- (Multiple valid entries)
- Hetty's ghost power, if it matches the matriarch of the original, would be the ability to appear in photographs (but not electronic media). This would be in line with her responsibility in life, having to maintain the proper appearance for all the excesses she and Elias (mostly Elias) did during their lives.
As of the end of season three, Hetty's ghost power has not yet been revealed (unless you count being able to use the telephone cord she used to strangle herself as a rope as a power). The entry even mentions that this hasn't yet been confirmed. Would it be okay to delete the entry on Hetty on the grounds of speculative troping?
openDeleting YMMV examples for no reasons Live Action TV
Today, I noticed at least two old examples in YMMV page of Kevin Can F**k Himself without edit reason a few months ago. He Really Can Act example was deleted by Rm 74 and WTH, Casting Agency? example was deleted by meatwadf. Here's what the examples look like before deletion:
- He Really Can Act: Mary gives it her all in "Fixed". She displays her anger, sadness and grief when Patty calls out Allison for making her search into Tammy's belongings.
- WTH, Casting Agency?: Annie Murphy's comedic and dramatic talents have already been acclaimed, and her performance here was similarly praised. At the same time though, a few thought that Erin Hayes should've played Allison given her role as the the wife on Kevin Can Wait was the inspiration for this show, and the series would've felt more powerful if an actress screwed over by the sitcom stereotypes parodied here was the one rebelling against them.
- In an interview with Vulture (Vulture had been consistently advocating for her to get a part), Erinn Hayes herself says she loves the idea and script of Kevin Can F**k Himself but she understands that casting her as the main role would be iffy, as her character death on her previous series and its controversy could draw too much attention away from this show.
Should the examples need to be brought back or there's a reason for a deletion?
Edited by BubblepigopenFoils in the The Musketeers Live Action TV
Hi there. I thought that there was a few foils among the characters of the series The Musketeers but it seems to be a rather divisive topic so I wanted to get peoples opinions. Does any of the below seem like straight foils that should be posted or should they be included under other topics. Thanks
Aramis and Rochefort – Both of them are skilled soldiers, have ties to Spain and France and have feelings for Queen Anne. However, Aramis’ feelings are returned, he is aware of the difficulties of their situation, respects Anne as a person and repeatedly risks his life to protect Anne and her son, even leaving Paris for their safety and he is loyal to his friends, country and king and kills only when necessary. Rochefort however is more a Stalker with a Crush with no real interest in Anne’s wants or feelings, when she rejects him, he [[Attempted Rape: tries to force herself on her]] and almost kills her. He’s also supposed to be a spy for Spain but has no real loyalty to anyone but himself and is quick to use murder as a solution.
Athos and Aramis – both are well-liked and respected musketeers who are considered the best at a particular skill, are in love with a woman they shouldn’t be and have Dark And Troubled Pasts and presents. Aramis is outgoing, cheerful, loquacious and [[Sad Clown: hides his troubles behind a smile]]. Athos is introverted, quiet, moody, and [[Drowning My Sorrows: buries his demons with drink]]. They are also fiercely loyal and protective of each other and their friends.
King Louis is French-born and sovereign but doesn’t really think about the people of France and prefers to enjoy the perks of his role and leave the actual responsibilities to his advisors. And while he adores his son, he doesn’t try to actually teach him about ruling or being a king. Queen Anne by comparison is Spanish-born and is hated for it, deeply cares about the people and actively tries to help them when she can, even if it is limited until she becomes regent. She also loves her son but tries to instil lessons so he understands the responsibilities of being monarch. She’s also a Better Judge Of Character.
Treville and Richelieu are trusted advisors and father figures to the king and head up the two most important and influential regiments in Paris. Treville is honest, straight-forward and A Father to His Men, takes responsibility for his mistakes and is also close to Queen Anne. Richelieu is far more underhanded and sneaky, manipulates the king, is a Bad Boss who’ll sell out his employees and frame innocent people, have his mistress killed and tries to kill the queen.
Charon is one to Porthos. Both of them hate the Court of Miracles, want a new life away from it and have relationships with Flea. Charon however stayed to become king and sold out everyone for money not caring that thousands of people would die and tries to force Flea to join him. Porthos respected Flea’s decisions and desire for a life in the Court, went into the army and became a musketeer to earn money honestly and ends up helping save the Court.
Queen Anne and the Duchess of Savoy are both loving sisters married to rivals of their brothers for the sake of alliances. Queen Anne cares for her husband but doesn’t love him and while she communicates with her brother, she is politically loyal to her husband and country of marriage. The duchess loves her husband but acts as a spy for her brother and the country of her birth undermining both the duke and his advisors for France.
openSomething in Muppets (2015) That Never Actually Happened? Live Action TV
So I recall something in the page for The Muppets (2015) that's been there for a while now.
- Big Eater:
- Piggy gorges herself on a basket of cheeses after Fozzie manages to break through her emotional barriers by accident.
- Kermit is revealed to be a stress eater. He even asks for more food after eating so much that he can't move.
While I can confirm it's true Kermit is a stress eater, I can't find anywhere else that brings up a part where "He even asks for more food after eating so much that he can't move." and I've looked through the episodes and it doesn't seem to happen. Did I miss something, or did somebody put up misinfo for the sake of troping with one hand? (considering what 'eating so much they can't move' usually means.)
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopenTroping reality TV shows (e.g. Drag Race) - contestants, presenters and judges Live Action TV
So...
Following on from this post
on the Character Page Cleanup Thread, and this earlier Creator Page Cleanup
discussion, there seems to be a grey area with regard to troping reality TV.
Administrivia.Real Life Troping clearly says:
So, looking at something like RuPaul's Drag Race -
- I can see that the competing drag queens (who have very carefully constructed personas) can potentially be troped as characters in their drag identities.
- ...but do we trope the judges and others (e.g. the 'pit crew' teams, who have no alter ego and are scantily-dressed support staff) - we have character page tropes entries for them all, and things like Age-Gap Romance and Token Minority (for the only straight guy) troped for the real people. That feels like a step too far.
- We also have Characters page examples for things like Older Than They Look (no Real Life) for RuPaul, Berserk Button (referencing her Real Life childhood bullying) for judge Michelle Visage and similar examples from the contestants' real pre-show, offscreen lives. In some cases I'm not sure they've even been directly mentioned in the work itself.
I know an awful lot of effort's gone into some of the pages, and I don't want to make major changes without a consensus (which didn't really happen with the previous forum threads, hence this post) - the one comment on the last post seemed to agree that this crossed into NRLEP, though.
What are people's views?
Edited by Mrph1openRangers Live Action TV
I just signed up and would like to add to this folder. There are several prominant TV shows featuring rangers that are not yet included and I'd like to add them.
The Lone Ranger Walker, Texas Ranger Laredo Trackdown
In movies there is also the Comancheros In Western Animation there is the series Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers.
I'm happy to make the additions myself but don't see a way to do that. Is there a tutorial?
openUnintentional Sympathy in Star Trek Picard Live Action TV
The YMMV page for Star Trek: Picard features two examples of Unintentionally Sympathetic:
- The Zhat Vash was right all along! The Admonition is a message to synthetic life that there is other synthetic life willing to invade and destroy all organic life if called upon, in order to save their fellow synthetics. The Soong-type androids start to bring these horrors into the galaxy, and the only reason why nothing more happens is because it takes a while for them to come through the wormhole, allowing a small window to shut down the beacon. It's probable that anyone faced with the evidence would come to the conclusion that artificial life is too big a danger to allow to exist. Especially the Federation, who already ban genetic engineering of organic life because of the risk of starting another Eugenics War. What also helps is that "mad AI goes rogue" is one of the oldest plots in Star Trek history, appearing in no less than 7 episodes of The Original Series and only going up from there. If you lived in the Star Trek universe, there's wall-to-wall evidence that you should never trust a machine that can think for itself lest you want to be killed, enslaved, or both. Even Data wasn't safe from this as he'd become Brainwashed and Crazy and a threat to others a few times himself.
- One could also say the same for Control as in the later half of season 3 the Borg effectively highjacks Starfleet from within and plans to use said new “assimilated” fully organic drones as the seed base of a new even more advanced and dangerous Borg collective to threaten and ultimately rule the entire galaxy with until the end of time. Control would’ve had access to all the Enterprise NX-01’s logs including those of the incident involving the Borg and the knowledge that a “visit” from a very real bio-cybernetic threat easily capable of assimilating others, quickly adaptable defenses, and has access to technology far more advanced than anything Starfleet, the Federation, or even the surrounding powers currently had at their disposal isn’t so much if they show up 200 years from the logs being recorded but when! While that doesn’t excuse nor justifies Control’s actions, Control was originally programmed to help protect the Federation from any and all threats but when it tried to figure out a way the Federation could win against a confirmed future threat that, for all intents and purposes, had no vulnerabilities that could be exploited (at least for long anyway), combined with the limitations of Control’s own programming, preemptively wiping out all life in the universe was the “best” solution he could come up with to stop them and save everyone.
I could be wrong about this but I thought US is about characters that come off as sympathetic, even though the story doesn't want viewers to sympathize with them. Granted, the show kinda shoots itself in the foot by portraying the Higher Synthetics (insert Mass Effect reference here) as genocidal racists, but the entries for US don't do themselves any favors by portraying the Zhat Vash and Control as genocidal racists themselves.
What do you think about this? Is there a cleanup thread for this trope or something?
openBig Ultraman reshuffle Live Action TV
So… if any of you can remember, a couple of months ago I started the Ultra Series Characters initiative, a humongous reorganization of the Ultra Series character pages to bring them more in line with modern Verse-based structure, rather then the installment-based organization currently in use, I abandoned it a while back, but seeing Vengeful Bale’s Ultra pages (Characters Ultra Series Ultraman Belial and Tregear) renewed my interest in the project, and I intend to return to the project.
Now why did I do this you might ask? Well it’s simple, unlike his contemporaries, Ultraman has a massive Rogues Gallery, and because of his Legacy Character nature, they often reoccur between series, which means that every Ultraman character page has approximately a dozen "See Literally Any Ultraman Show" entries scattered across the Ultrapages, which leaves the Ultra Series a tad disorganized.
So, should I go through with this? I remember a similar Jurassic Park reorganization of mine being rejected because of how self-contained every film is, but can the same apply to Ultraman?
Edited by GeneralGiganopenBad one-off edit Live Action TV
Tropers.imajakov's first and so far only edit, from about a month ago, was to add an entry to Series.House for the nonexistent trope "Genius Level Intellect." The entry itself didn't have any grammar issues and did accurately describe the show and title character, but, well... that isn't a real trope. They also wrote it out un-wikiworded as "Genius Level intellect" (complete with capitalization error)
Edited by Dirtyblue929openQuick question on the WhatHappenedToTheMouse entry on the PRTF character page Live Action TV
Back in June 2023, I removed the What Happened to the Mouse? entry from Gluto's section in the Characters.Power Rangers Time Force page (history is here
). V-Nerd re-added it nearly a month ago here
.
In many stories, some characters enter the story, serve their role, and move on without any fanfare. If they have served their purpose and exit the story, then it's not a What Happened to the Mouse? situation just because there isn't some final "where are they now" information given. The trope is for cases where a character simply disappears without reason or acknowledgment by the rest of the cast. Plus, it's also a plot point. In this instance, Gluto slipping away during the final battle between Frax and the Rangers by freezing himself is a reasonable explanation for him leaving the story.
Rather than get involved in an Edit War, I'm bringing this up here. That said, any thoughts on what should be done?
Edited by gjjones

On the COPS series page, under nightmare fuel is a description of a 'banned' episode that sounds absolutely horror-movieish....and I was wondering if anyone has ANY information behind it because I can find NONE. Anything about what city its based in or what episode number...anything.
The description of the 'banned' episode is as follows : A 15-year-old girl calls the cops after her grandma went to investigate a noise outside their house and never came back, leaving her alone in a pitch-black house. Once the cops get there, she finally comes outside and leads them to the abandoned horse pen where she last saw her grandmother go. Everything is completely, disturbingly silent for the entire time and almost completely dark, until a blonde woman throws herself against the bars, and hysterically begs them to help her. However, the real horror comes as she looks to her right and screams at the top of her lungs as a woman wearing all black runs towards them, screaming and brandishing a knife. She is quickly gunned down by a shotgun-wielding cop, which instantly turns the girl into a screaming wreck. She then points out another knife-wielding woman charging at them, who's quickly shot by the same cop. He tells the cameraman and the girl to run as more gunshots ring out. The cameraman ends up driving off with the girl, but it's unknown what happened to her grandmother, those cops, or the woman that begged them for help.
Thank ya'll taking the time to read this.