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openWeird character folder quote change Film
On 26th Oct, sapphyblue change the folder quote in Mark Hoffman's character folder on Characters.Saw: Jigsaw and Accomplices from a quote said by Hoffman himself:
To one said by another character to him (incidentally, the one Hoffman told the aforementioned line to):
I find this change rather weird because I've never seen any character folder or character-specific page use quotes said by other characters to describe the one whom the folder/page addresses (even if they give an idea of who the character is). I'm not really sure how I should deal with this, though. Is it best if I send sapphyblue a notifier? Should I bring this issue on a forum thread? Or should I do something else? Perhaps it's better to leave it as it is?
Edited by Inky100openPossible Broken Aesop? Film
So, saw that adding a Broken Aesop to The Last Jedi's page would need to be approved first, so I figured to ask if this was acceptable (or if it was already added/removed)
One of the aesops was that your life is too important to throw away. However, it's underscored by not Holdo's Heroic Sacrifice to take out an entire fleet and Luke's sacrifice to hold off the First Order long enough for everyone to escape, but it's also underscored by the person giving the aesop in the first place, Rose, who nearly died to save Finn from having to sacrifice himself in the first place.
open What trope does this fit ? Film
So I recently learned that the actor dog that played John Wick's dog Daisy, then named Andy, is now called Wick after the man himself. So now I'm left wondering if there's any Trivia or Main trope this example belongs to ? Can you guys help me out ?
openPlaying With/Against Type Film
Could someone please help me decide if the Playing Against Type and Playing with Character Type sections on Creator.Pedro Pascal look worth keeping, or if they violate the Creator Page Guideline against "Tropes applying to an individual work that already has its own page" (except for The Uninvited).
(I didn't start the sections myself, but I did expand them beyond one entry each.)
openDEKU SDCP Film
Yo, I saw in a cleanup thread that Izuku Midoriya from My Hero Academia had a SDCP then got cut. I was wondering if someone could bring that back or at the very least allow a sandbox page for me or someone else to draft one. I feel like with Deku's dorky, self-deprecating, nervously neurotic behavior would make for some great humor. I would say he has some of the most unique traits out of the My Hero cast and maybe even make pages for a perv like Mineta or a hothead like Bakugo at the very least. MHA deserves more SDCP's than just Tsuyu who's own page practically has like 5 things and that's it.
openDrink!! Again!! Film
I’m not troper, don’t think I’m capable of doing all the appropriate linking, but there is a Hard Drinking trope missing. The trope where an older, stronger character tells a younger character to “Drink! Again!” when they are sad or depressed about something. I saw there was a “drowning your sorrows” trope, but this isn’t the same. This is not a character falling into addiction, this is a one time event. The older character is wiser, usually a heavy drinker himself, and he knows that this younger, inexperienced character needs a few drinks to cope with the new/shocking/depressing/traumatic event he just went through. While this drink is occurring the older character is almost always dispensing wisdom, usually on how he’s been through whatever the younger character is experiencing, and life will be fine on the other side. Alcohol is the best short term solution, and he’s right, because by the end of the talk the younger character seems to move entirely past whatever was bothering him before, and is actually stronger and more mature when we see him again.
openWhen whole scenes of a movie are published before the movie itself Film
I've been looking at Creating A Work Page For An Unreleased Work. Either I'm missing something or it doesn't mention cases where scenes are published on, say, YouTube (almost) in full before the movie itself did. For example, TRON: Ares.
These started with more higher-profile "movie channels", so I'm not sure if it counts as a Content Leak.
Edited by DoomTayopenOverly long entry Film
The YMMV page for Black Panther has a very long entry for Draco in Leather Pants:
- Thanks to his sympathetic backstory as well as the fact he makes a few good points about social and political issues, Killmonger has a few zealous fans who tend to completely overlook the fact that he's still a remorseless killer who has no qualms about innocent people (even children) dying for the sake of his goals. Sterling K. Brown even spoke out
about it, pointing out that while his intentions were noble, he committed several unambiguously evil acts including murdering his girlfriend, killing Zuri, and destroying the heart-shaped herb so he could keep the Black Panther powers for himself. Hell, his very first scene in the movie has him mocking a totally innocent tour guide for drinking poisoned coffee, just because her understanding of African history is based on Western academic beliefs (even though she's likely just repeating what she's been taught, and is actually being quite nice to him.) Marvel Studios themselves seem to have realized they made the character too sympathetic as the character's next appearance in the ''What If?'' series serves as a further indictment of the character by dismantling whatever justifications he has for his actions, demonstrating how flawed his plan is, and showing he cares more about himself than other black people.
This comes off more like an essay, and I think the opening lines make the point well enough. Should this be trimmed down?
Edited by Javertshark13openQuestion about Solo *SPOILER* Film
A few days back I corrected the name of one spoiler character on all pages for Solo Giving the following edit reason:
"Darth" is a title reserved for Sith Lords, and by the time The Clone Wars, Rebels and this movie takes place, he is no longer one, he says this himself on the former two works . However troper smasll_lordvoice
added more entries with the incorrect name and reverted some of my changes with no edit reason. I've PM them but received no reply, as such I ask if I could make the corrections again without incurring into an Edit War.
openWanda Maximoff's 'redemption arc'? Film
How exactly does Wanda have a redemption arc in the end of Avengers: Age of Ultron when she never acknowledged what she did to her actual <i>victims < /i>? We see her happily Mind Raping all the Avengers, especially Tony Stark. And she doesn't blink when she send the Hulk to an innocent city. First think that she does when she 'joins' to the heroes is warning about one of her victims without mention what she did to him. Then she just joins at the battle because she literally saw that she was going to day and well, maybe she still wanted the planet, you know, to live.
But she immediately is made an Avenger and the shit that she did is never mentioned again. On Captain America: Civil War, she seems remorseful for what happened at Lagos but, what about Johannesburg, she just stepped aside and let Tony and Bruce take the blame?
She seems to be 'remorseful' but not because she is interest in the people's well being, but because they are afraid of them and that changes their perception of her as a victim. The novelization does not mention anything either. So, therefore: she lied to keep her position. When Clint comes to 'rescue her', she doesn't change her mind until he says that she will redeem herself.
Her redemption arc is...? A joke? A gigantic double standard?
openInfinity War Tough Act To Follow Film
From YMMV.Avengers Infinity War:
- Tough Act to Follow: Inevitably, any subsequent "event" movie in the MCU will have a hard time topping this, considering the sheer scale involved. The movie itself has to live up to the hype surrounding preceding critically-acclaimed MCU movies, including Iron Man, The Avengers, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Captain America: Civil War. Comparisons to the Russo-directed Captain America movies - both of which have received stronger critical and public reception than Avengers: Age of Ultron did - feel especially inevitable.
Since it feels too early to call Infinity War truly amazing, would anyone mind if I shortened the entry to this:
- Tough Act to Follow: The movie has to live up to the hype surrounding preceding critically-acclaimed MCU movies, with comparisons to the Russo-directed Captain America movies - The Winter Soldier and Civil War, both of which have received stronger critical and public reception than Avengers: Age of Ultron did - feeling especially inevitable.
openCinemasins Deadpool Film
Can someone please update the entry on Awesome.Deadpool 2016 with the sin tally before and after the bonus round? I'd like to know how exactly it changed, but I don't want to click the video myself.
open ??? Film
Okay... here's what I know! I viewed this movie (or possibly an episode of a show) during the 2000s (2004 to 2012). All that I recall is that there were two main characters being followed throughout the film. One being a boy/guy and the other being a human-sized robot (who would later reveal herself to be a girl/woman after removing the robot head/helmet). I believe they were both on some sort of quest, but that is all that comes to mind. And it was not a cartoon! Thanks!!! :)
Edited by Ritchey1398openRemaking Of The The Eye Creatures: Namespace Film
Since Attack of the The Eye Creatures was purified, I'd like to re-create its original version where it belongs, which means in one of the "fun" namespaces. However, I'm not sure whether it should be in Just for Fun (which was my first hunch) or Self-Demonstrating...
Edited by Medinocopen Retroactive Recogntion Joke Film
I was wondering if there is a trope for a joke or reference that doesnt make much sense until alot later. I was looking at the Mallrats page in the Funny section. The original troper (and myself) didnt understand, or even hear, the Junior Masters and Johnson reference by TS. Now thanks to the tv show Masters of Sex - its easy to understand that TS was referencing the Masters and Johnson research team. So another way to ask the question - I have a friend who saw Spaceballs before she saw Empire Strikes back. Once she sees Empire - hopefully, more jokes will make sense. Is there a trope name for that?
openJeff Goldblum: Is He Adam Westing? Film
Jeff Goldblum (wonderful sweet man and the love of my internet life) has, mostly of late, been known to play characters that are basically just him being his Goldblum-iest self (ex. The Grandmaster in Thor: Ragnarok) So my question is whether this is a case of Adam Westing or Type-Casting or some other trope that I am forgetting?
openWasted plots and characters Film
So, I found these entries in the YMMV page for Wonder Woman (2017).
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:
- In the backstory the Greek Gods (especially Diana's patron goddess Athena) are all dead save for Ares, who by his own admission destroyed them. A common complaint among Wonder Woman fans is that while she is an excellent character herself, her stories generally don't have the same density of Worldbuilding and Rogues Gallery that Batman and Superman have, and that DC rarely does heavy lifting in integrating the richness of Classical Mythology to its superhero lore the way Marvel does with Norse Mythology, and that arbitrarily wiping out the Pantheon, for the sake of simplifying Diana's origin, potentially limited the scope of her stories going forward.
- Some viewers were disappointed more wasn't done with Dr. Poison. For starters, she's a female scientist during World War 1, a period of time where someone such as herself would be looked out with confusion or disdain from her allies. One youtuber
discussed this by pointing out how she acts as the perfect Foil to Diana: Diana had the ability to choose her destiny, while Dr. Poison essentially didn't, but the choice was made to make her a straight up villain in the end and not a Tragic Villain. Others think it may have been more interesting if she was Ares.
- The choice to kill off Ares. Not only is he Wonder Woman's most powerful and iconic villain, but he has so much backstory and potential that lends him to being one of the biggest villains in the DCU. He easily could have been a villain the Justice League could have had to face, and with how small Wonder Woman's Rogues Gallery is, he makes for a good long term villain. Instead he gets killed shortly after appearing, which calls into question now what they can do with Wonder Woman since her first solo-film has her beating a literal God of War.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Quite a few people considered it a wasted opportunity that the movie did not stick to the idea that Ares was not behind the war and that the people fighting in it were fighting purely because they wanted to, particularly since it would have provided a great reason for Diana to seclude herself from humanity. This is especially strange given that up until that point in the movie, Diana's entire character arc was about learning how humans are both capable of evil and good, but the choice for Ares to appear throws all of it under the bus. Its such a sore spot for people that many feel it damages the films quality.
Do they really qualify for these tropes or not? I'm asking because sometimes, the inclusion of these tropes in YMMV pages are less "This plot/character wasn't properly developed or explored" and more "I didn't like the way this plot/character was handled."
openHilarious In Hindsight on the Megamind page, misuse or not? Film
I've noticed that keyblade333 recently deleted the entirety of the Hilarious in Hindsight entry from the Megamind page.
After I talked to them about it, they claimed that it was because of misuse.
I think they're a mixed bag. Things like Jonah Hill's and Will Ferrell's roles in The Lego Movie count, given that Jonah Hill was voicing a character who was heavily inspired by Jimmy Olsen, with the names of two Green Lanterns, only to later voice Green Lantern himself who has an obsession with Superman. Same thing with both Will Ferrell characters having a tendency to mispronounce things and also being parodies of over-the-top supervillains.
Some of the entries really were borderline examples, but that's no reason to delete the entire entry.
Edited by tropineasilyopenEditing error. Film
On the page Logan I made an edit for a speech and then clicked enter to stop an editing mistake which succeeded with the previews. Someone undid the enter causing that editing mistake again. I don't want to fix this myself because it could be confused with an edit war.
Edited by ReynTime250

The DC Extended Universe version of Wonder Woman is classified as a Pinball Protagonist in her solo movie under this argument: "If Steve Trevor had escaped from the Germans without going through Themyscira, the world would have been exactly the same. He would have brought Dr. Poison's notebook to British High-Command, they would have ignored it, Steve would have recruited his friends to go after the chemical plant, Veld wouldn't have been liberated but it would still have been wiped out the next day, Steve would have tracked Ludendorf to the plant, and sacrificed himself to destroy the gas. The only significant thing Diana did was kill Ares, which didn't make much of a difference, since he only influenced humans to go to war with each other and create weapons of mass destruction, and humans continued to do that after he died anyway."
Is this true or just nitpicking?