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openJerkass Woobie Anime
Hello,
There seems to be a disagreement between me and another trope in regard to Jerkass Woobie.
I wrote this entry:
- To an extent, Frieza. His life was completely destroyed after his defeat to Goku on Namek, which was Goku's intention when he spared his life. He devotes his life in getting revenge on Goku, which causes him to be killed by Future Trunks on Earth. He then spends almost twenty years in Hell, being tormented by stuff toys and fairies who have parades around him, while he's trapped in a cocoon hanging from a cherry tree in a field full of flowers, with all his great power stripped away. When he's revived by the Earth's Dragon Balls, all he can think about is revenge, abandoning his failing empire, and decides to train for the first time in his life to unleashed all of his latent power. He successes and becomes powerful enough to overwhelm Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku thanks to his golden transformation. However, since he never mastered his ultimate form, his energy burns out before he can kill Goku and he's humiliated by Vegeta who beats him out of his golden form. Even when he seemingly gets the last laugh by blowing up the Earth, Whis rewinds time on him and gives Goku the opportunity to kill him. He's then sent straight back to Hell, where he will remained forever until he's reborn and lose all of his memories of his past life. Despite being an irredeemable monster, you can't help feel a little sorry for him.
A troper erased it with this edit, Frieza brought all of that on himself, no one feels sorry for him in the least.
I put back the entry and explained that I have seen fans hold this opinion about Frieza's fate, despite agreeing that he is a Complete Monster. And since Jerkass Woobie is an YMMV trope, it fits since there are fans that think, 'he's a bastard, but harsh'.
The entry was erased again wit this reason: This may be your opinion but 99% of the fanbase agrees Frieza got what was coming to him and he's long, long past sympathy. He's the most evil character in the entire franchise and his fans like him for how demented, cruel and genocidial he is.
Again, this isn't really my opinion. This is opinions I have seen among the fandom. I admit, I am not sure if someone who falls under Complete Monster can also be a Jerkass Woobie and I don't want to edit war, so I will bring it here.
openDragon Ball Super Anime
Sorry, but there is a problem in the https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/DragonBallSuper
. A troper named Monsund added some stuff to the YMMV that was based off of misinformation. Long story short, the troper added information and tropes for the Pilaf Gang such as Unintentionally Un Sympathetic and Moral Event Horizon. The misinformation being that they stole or took the last wish before Piccolo was killed in the Future Trunks' timeline. When in truth, they gathered the Dragon Balls on their own and made a wish that happened to be the final wish Shenron granted before dying. So they rightfully found the Dragon Balls and made their wish.
I know the YMMV is opinion base, but the information is factually incorrect and Unintentionally Un Sympathetic is misused since the person they're blaming isn't the one who caused the situation, nor is the character made sympathetic to begin with. And Moral Event Horizon is just crazy since even if their wish was selfish, they rightfully found all the Dragon Balls and had the right to make any wish they wanted, while the good guys tried to steal the wish.
Again, since any further action on my part is edit warring, I leave it to the mods to decide who's right in this.
Edited by Ramona122003openArchEnemy Anime
Hello,
Me and another troper are having a disagreement about an Arch-Enemy entry on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DragonBallSuper
.
This is the entry in question:
- He's also beginning to shape up as one to Vegeta as well, considering that Vegeta has made it a point to come after and kill him after Black went after his family. Black returns none of these feelings and just see Vegeta as a Warm-Up Boss.
The 'he' in this case is Black. The disagreement is whether Vegeta sees Black as an Arch-Enemy. I think he does because Vegeta has shown several times that he wants to kill Black for killing Future Bulma and tormenting Future Trunks. He even says that he will pay after isolating himself in Episode 51. The other trope doesn't think Vegeta holds a personal grudged since his reaction seemed mild compared to Goku and Frieza. Which isn't really valid in my opinion.
So, I would like to get some feedback on what others think.
openNo Title Anime
I've been making it a little project of mine to migrate any Japanese-named manga, anime, or light novel series over to their official English names whenever they exist via places like Amazon, FUNimation, Crunchyroll, Hulu etc. There's one I've wanted to do that with for a while now, but not quite sure how to handle it due to some title overlap.
The series title of Manga.Nanatsu No Taizai translates to, and is marketed in English as, "The Seven Deadly Sins". Manga.The Seven Deadly Sins already exists as a redirect to Nanatsu.
Ordinarily a straightforward issue, but there is also a page titled Theatre.The Seven Deadly Sins. In terms of content, the Theater page has only itself, not even any examples and a blank YMMV page. It's in dire need of crosswicking at the very least.
Now the issue here is if I were to do the migration, do I just move everything, including sub-pages, over to Manga.The Seven Deadly Sins per normal, or should I do something special to make sure that there's as little overlap with the Theater page as possible?
I suppose what I'm asking is which page gets the priority?
Edited by sgamer82opencharacter image assistance Anime
Hi, I'm requesting assistance with adding a character image to Yan-Min's folder on the Venus Academy page, because her role has become major enough to warrant it. The image I'd suggest is this one.
I figured I'd ask here, since I'm unable to do it myself. Any help would be appreciated.
openBroken Ace Anime
Another trope and I are having a disagreement about whether or not Goku Black fits under Broken Ace. This is the entry in question:
- Broken Ace: When he was Zamasu, he was an up and coming Supreme Kai who was promoted from a regular Kai. His fighting talent was so great that he was only a little weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Goku, after he'd absorbed god energy and whose base from is stronger than Super Buu. After losing to Goku in a friendly sparring match, his sanity shattered and he becomes obsessed with Goku and spreading his form of justice. To that end, he murdered his master to get the Time Ring, takes Goku's body using the Super Dragon Balls, and then murders Goku and his family. Although Zamasu, now Goku Black, is stronger than he ever was before, he isn't sane anymore, especially with his rapid mood-swings. He is also still obsessed with Goku to the point of mimicking his mannerisms, fighting style, and techniques.
Snowy 66 comment out the trope under this edit: : Broken Ace is very specific. They need to be The Ace on the surface like a mask, but on the inside they're something completely different, either full of self loathing or a hidden villain. Black doesn't use The Ace persona as a mask, he completely shows his true colors.
Thing is, he kind of does giving that he stole someone else's identity, name, is still sore about losing a sparring match. He's also not sane despite trying to act like he is.
openNo Title Anime
Not sure where to ask this, so I'm asking this here. I noticed some Conversation On The Main Page on the Arc Fatigue page, regarding Katekyo Hitman Reborn. I sent the editor who put it in a standard message on natter. But I know nothing about that manga, so I have no idea how to fix the example myself. Can anyone else fix it?
openStatistics sources Anime
Hi, Was reading the trope page of 'This Bites' by the Cross-Brain Group (Xomniac, CV 12 Hornet and The Patient One) and it was mentioned that 'This Bites' is the number 1 rated One piece fic, the number rated Self-Insert fic and the number 9 (or 7) fic overall on Fanfiction.net. Was wondering if you could send me a link to the source page you got your statistics from?
openNo Title Anime
I noticed a duplicate example on the Savage Wolves page:
- In Inu Yasha, one of the youkai him and his group encounter is a giant, manipulated wolf and his normal-sized pack. Later they encounter a village where everyone has been slaughtered by wolves, lead by a humanoid wolf-youkai named Koga. Eventually Koga turns out a Jerk with a Heart of Gold and they (usually) get along fine with him.
A little later in the Anime and Manga folder:
- Inu Yasha: The wolf-youkai tribe was infamous for eating humans and destroying entire human villages in the process. Kouga's tribe destroyed three human villages (including Rin's village, killing everyone there including Rin herself) before Inuyasha's group was able to catch him. After that first encounter Kouga became enamoured enough of Kagome to that he stops his tribe from eating humans and from that point on he became Noble Wolf.
I haven't watched Inu Yasha, so my questions are:
- How to word the example (no reason to have two entries for the same thing)?
- What should be done with such duplicate examples in the future? What is the best place to ask for help if I am not familiar with the work in question?
openHigh School DxD EX Anime
I have a quick question for those who are familiar with High School DXD. The anime's third season BorN was a setup by Ichiei Ishibumi to create the EX spin-off to fix up the anime's timeline thanks to Loki's machinations; Ishibumi himself later confirmed that any future anime seasons will adapt the light novels after the third season's debacle.
If the plotline of the anime's fourth season gets announced (most likely an adaptation of EX and volumes 9-10), what should we do about the EX entries? I want to bring this up to the community to get thoughts on the matter. Thanks.
Edited by gjjonesopenIndexing Issue on a One Piece Recap Page Anime
Recap.One Piece The Saga Of The Self Proclaimed Straw Hat Fleet is not showing itself as being indexed. At a glance everything seems fine. It's listed in an Index page (Recap.One Piece) and the pages immediately before and after it are just fine. Nothing seems wrong with the page's code, either.
openThe hidden note from Gundam Seed Destiny Anime
I'm not sure is this the right place to ask, but here goes.
There's a hidden note in Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny. While I can see why it's here, it doesn't follow the style of any other notes on this very site as it's pretty demanding.
Now here' s my question, can I alter it or do I need a permission? I removed a hidden note before as I felt it was unnecessary, only to get called out by a user.
For those who are curious, here's the note.
!!Fellow tropers: TV Tropes is a wiki dedicated to compiling story and character tropes, not attesting your fiery hatred for every single aspect of a particular show. So before you add yet another complaint about Gundam SEED Destiny, take a closer look at the list; aren't there enough complaints already? Complaining isn't going to make the show better. Instead, why don't you just pour yourself some chocolate milk, pop a few anti-depressants, and re-watch Gundam SEED or another Gundam series of your choice until your crippling rage subsides.!!
openNo Title Anime
Before I ask for a revert, I want to make sure, due to this being a US-written wiki, that the previous sentences(which would be reverted to) are correct.
For a quick example;
- Let's see... yeah.
- Let's see...yeah.
- Let's see ... yeah.
Which one of the 3 is correct? I know they aren't full sentences, but the key point is given for the overall grammar in this particular case. The edits that I linked to do nothing but remove the spaces of a tons of paragraphs(making it look like my second subbullet example). I highly doubt that's correct. A teacher I just asked I know said the 3rd example is proper. But she's from the United Kingdom, so the Wiki itself may do it differently.
openNo Title Anime
gethomas3 is taking it upon himself to reintegrate Anime.Dragon Ball Z to Manga.Dragon Ball, including blanking the main page.
We probably need reverts on a lot of the subpages.
open Old t.v show Anime
So their is this show, not sure if it was exactly anime, but it was an animation. Just ur average animation action fighting show. Only 2 scenes I remember was a part, where a guy was in some gear type suit, puts out a card in front of him and then just floats and gets inserted into him through his chest. Another scene was i think about the same guy fights his future self, but he is stronger and black hair. That's all I remember :(
openNo Title Anime
Uhm hi, I know Naughty Tentacles was cut because of reasons, so I figure I should mention this: A lot I see All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles being used as a replacement for the cut Naught Tentacles trope (Like this from Mx0 All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles: Mizuki encounters some in the cave where Lucy is from.)
Who should I report that to: do I need to start a TRS? (I dont know how to do that)
i have no problem with Naughty Tentacles myself, but I figure if you cut it you probably want it to stay cut
openMy Hero Academia Recap Anime
The anime My Hero Academia, in spite of being an anime that follows a detailed plot lacks a recap page. Can someone construct the page itself with other's adding to it progressively?
open Idk Anime
I'm trying this remember this anime, but I can't find it. So in the first episode there was this guy who couldn't find his dad and he was with another guy and girl. His dad however left him this machine that summoned a white polar bear. Around episode 3 the girl got a machine herself and named it charger.

I feel some of the points made contradicted one another and the fact that selfish love is a very loose term that technically can be interpreted differently. As I felt her love wasn't all that selfish as if you saw your crush falling for someone else I think many people would become selfish. So what is your definition of selfish love and why did you believe she was since I never got the feeling that she wanted to own him.
Edited by F4LIX